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Kiran Bedi: A police chief with a difference
Kiran Bedi: Drugačija policijska načelnica
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Kiran Bedi ima iznenađujući životopis. Prije nego što je postala glavna ravnateljica Indijske policije, vodila je najveći državni zatvor -- i uz potpuno nov pristup prevenciji i obrazovanju pretvorila zatvor u centar za učenje i meditaciju. Svoja razmišljanja o vizionarskom vodstvu predstavila je na TEDWomen konferenciji.
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Kiran Bedi was one of India's top cops -- tough, innovative and committed to social change. Now retired from the national police force, Bedi runs two NGOs that benefit rural and urban poor. Full bio
Kiran Bedi was one of India's top cops -- tough, innovative and committed to social change. Now retired from the national police force, Bedi runs two NGOs that benefit rural and urban poor. Full bio
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Now I'm going to give you a story.
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Ispričat ću vam priču.
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It's an Indian story about an Indian woman and her journey.
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Indijsku priču o jednoj Indijki i njenom putovanju.
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Let me begin with my parents.
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Počinje s mojim roditeljima.
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I'm a product of this
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Ja sam proizvod
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visionary mother and father.
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ovih vizionara - majke i oca.
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Many years ago, when I was born in the '50s --
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Prije dosta godina kada sam rođena, 50-ih --
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'50s and '60s
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50-e i 60-e
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didn't belong to girls in India.
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nisu pripadale djevojčicama u Indiji.
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They belonged to boys.
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Pripadale su dječacima.
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They belonged to boys who would join business
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Dječacima koji će se uključiti u poslovni svijet
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and inherit business from parents,
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i naslijediti poslove svojih roditelja,
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and girls would be dolled up to get married.
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a djevočice su bile pripremane za udaju.
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My family, in my city,
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Moja obitelj je, u mom gradu --
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and almost in the country, was unique.
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i gotovo u cijeloj zemlji -- bila jedinstvena.
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We were four of us, not one,
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Bile smo četiri, ne samo jedna,
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and fortunately no boys.
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i na sreću, nije bilo dječaka.
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We were four girls and no boys.
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Četiri djevojčice i nijedan dječak.
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And my parents were part
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A moji roditelji bili su dio
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of a landed property family.
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zemljoposjedničke obitelji.
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My father defied his own grandfather,
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Moj otac usprotivio se svom vlastitom djedu,
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almost to the point of disinheritance,
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gotovo je izgubio pravo na nasljedstvo,
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because he decided to educate
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zato što je odlučio obrazovati
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all four of us.
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nas sve četiri.
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He sent us to one of the best schools in the city
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Upisao nas je u jednu od najboljih škola u gradu
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and gave us the best education.
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i omogućio nam najbolje obrazovanje.
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As I've said, when we're born, we don't choose our parents,
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Kao što znam reći: kad se rodiš, ne biraš svoje roditelje.
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and when we go to school, we don't choose our school.
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I kad kreneš u školu, ne biraš svoju školu.
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Children don't choose a school.
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Djeca ne biraju školu,
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They just get the school which parents choose for them.
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jednostavno idu u školu koju im izaberu roditelji.
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So this is the foundation time which I got.
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Dakle, to su moji temelji.
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I grew up like this, and so did my other three sisters.
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Tako smo odrasle i ja, i moje tri sestre.
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And my father used to say at that time,
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Moj otac u to je doba znao govoriti,
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"I'm going to spread all my four daughters in four corners of the world."
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"Poslat ću svoje četiri kćeri na četiri kraja svijeta."
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I don't know if he really meant [that], but it happened.
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Ne znam je li to stvarno htio, ali se tako dogodilo.
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I'm the only one who's left in India.
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Ja sam jedina ostala u Indiji.
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One is a British, another is an American
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Jedna je Britanka, druga Amerikanka
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and the third is a Canadian.
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a treća je Kanađanka.
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So we are four of us in four corners of the world.
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Tako smo nas četiri na četiri kraja svijeta.
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And since I said they're my role models,
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Budući da sam već rekla da su mi roditelji uzori,
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I followed two things which my father and mother gave me.
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vodile su me dvije stvari koje su mi dali majka i otac.
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One, they said, "Life is on an incline.
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Prvo, rekli su, "Život je na kosini;
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You either go up,
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ili ideš gore,
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or you come down."
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ili dolje."
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And the second thing, which has stayed with me,
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A druga stvar koju uvijek imam na pameti,
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which became my philosophy of life,
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i koja je postala dio moje životne filozofije,
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which made all the difference,
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i imala najvažniji utjecaj,
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is: 100 things happen in your life, good or bad.
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jest: u životu se dogodi stotinu stvari, i dobrih i loših.
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Out of 100, 90 are your creation.
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Od njih 100, 90 je tvoje djelo.
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They're good. They're your creation. Enjoy it.
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Ako su dobre, tvoje su djelo. Uživaj u njima.
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If they're bad, they're your creation. Learn from it.
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Ako su loše, tvoje su djelo. Nauči nešto iz njih.
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Ten are nature-sent over which you can't do a thing.
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10 ih je rezultat više sile protiv koje ne možeš ništa.
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It's like a death of a relative,
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Recimo, smrt rođaka,
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or a cyclone, or a hurricane, or an earthquake.
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ili tropska oluja, uragan, ili potres.
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You can't do a thing about it.
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Ne možeš ništa učiniti u vezi toga.
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You've got to just respond to the situation.
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Možeš jedino reagirati na situaciju.
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But that response comes out of those 90 points.
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Ali taj tvoj odgovor je jedna od onih 90 stvari.
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Since I'm a product of this philosophy,
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Budući da sam ja proizvod te filozofije,
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of 90/10,
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90/10,
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and secondly, "life on an incline,"
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a također i života na kosini,
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that's the way I grew up
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tako sam odrasla --
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to be valuing what I got.
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cijenim ono što imam.
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I'm a product of opportunities,
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Ja sam proizvod prilika,
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rare opportunities in the '50s and the '60s,
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rijetkih prilika u 50-im i 60-im godinama,
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which girls didn't get,
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koje djevojčice obično nisu imale.
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and I was conscious of the fact that what my parents were giving me
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Bila sam svjesna da su mi roditelji davali
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was something unique.
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nešto jedinstveno.
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Because all of my best school friends were getting dolled up
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Sve moje najbolje školske prijateljice su uređivane
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to get married with a lot of dowry,
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za vjenčanje uz velik miraz,
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and here I was with a tennis racket and going to school
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a za to vrijeme ja s reketom za tenis idem u školu
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and doing all kinds of extracurricular activities.
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i bavim se raznim slobodnim aktivnostima.
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I thought I must tell you this.
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Sve ovo sam vam morala ispričati.
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Why I said this, is the background.
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Jer sam spomenula da je ovo temelj.
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This is what comes next.
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Evo što je bilo dalje.
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I joined the Indian Police Service as a tough woman,
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Zaposlila sam se u Indijskoj policiji kao čvrsta žena,
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a woman with indefatigable stamina,
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žena s neiscrpnom snagom,
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because I used to run for my tennis titles, etc.
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jer sam dosta trčala dok sam osvajala titule u tenisu, itd.
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But I joined the Indian Police Service,
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Priključila sam se Indijskoj policiji.
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and then it was a new pattern of policing.
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Tada je policijski posao poprimio novi oblik.
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For me the policing stood for power to correct,
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Za mene je policija značila popravne snage,
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power to prevent and power to detect.
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snage sprječavanja i snage razotkrivanja.
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This is something like a new definition ever given in policing in India --
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To je bila nova definicija policijskog posla u Indiji --
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the power to prevent.
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moć sprječavanja.
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Because normally it was always said, power to detect, and that's it,
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Obično se govorilo, snage razotkrivanja, i to je to,
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or power to punish.
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ili kaznene snage.
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But I decided no, it's a power to prevent,
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Ali odlučila sam - ne, to su snage sprječavanja,
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because that's what I learned when I was growing up.
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jer sam tako naučila kroz svoje odrastanje:
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How do I prevent the 10 and never make it more than 10?
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kako da spriječim onih 10 i nikad ne dođem do više od 10?
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So this was how it came into my service,
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Eto kako se to uklopilo u moj posao,
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and it was different from the men.
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i bilo je drugačije od muškog načina.
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I didn't want to make it different from the men, but it was different,
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Nisam namjeravala raditi drugačije nego muškarci, ali tako je ispalo,
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because this was the way I was different.
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jer sam i ja na neki način bila drugačija.
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And I redefined policing concepts in India.
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Promijenila sam smisao policijskog posla u Indiji.
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I'm going to take you on two journeys,
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Povest ću vas na dva putovanja,
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my policing journey and my prison journey.
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moje policijsko putovanje i moje zatvorsko putovanje.
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What you see, if you see the title
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Ono što vidite, ako vidite naslov
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called "PM's car held."
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"Premijerov automobil zadržan."
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This was the first time a prime minister of India
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To je bio prvi put da je indijski predsjednik vlade
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was given a parking ticket.
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dobio kaznu za parkiranje.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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That's the first time in India,
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Prvi put u Indiji,
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and I can tell you, that's the last time you're hearing about it.
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i vjerujte mi, to je zadnji put da ćete nešto čuti o tome.
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It'll never happen again in India,
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To se nikad više neće dogoditi u Indiji,
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because now it was once and forever.
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zato što je to bilo jednom za svagda.
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And the rule was, because I was sensitive,
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Postojalo je pravilo, a ja sam bila osjetljiva,
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I was compassionate, I was very sensitive to injustice,
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suosjećajna, osjetljiva na nepravdu,
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and I was very pro-justice.
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i vrlo pravednički raspoložena.
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That's the reason, as a woman, I joined the Indian Police Service.
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To je razlog zašto sam se ja, žena, zaposlila u Indijskoj policiji.
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I had other options, but I didn't choose them.
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Imala sam drugih mogućnosti, ali ih nisam odabrala.
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So I'm going to move on.
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Idem dalje.
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This is about tough policing, equal policing.
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Ovo je priča o čvrstoj policiji, jednakoj prema svima.
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Now I was known as "here's a woman that's not going to listen."
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Postala sam poznata kao žena koja ne sluša.
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So I was sent to all indiscriminate postings,
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I zato su me slali na svakakva radna mjesta,
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postings which others would say no.
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mjesta na koja drugi ne bi pristali.
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I now went to a prison assignment as a police officer.
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Otišla sam raditi u zatvor kao policijski službenik.
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Normally police officers don't want to do prison.
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Obično policajci ne žele ići u zatvor.
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They sent me to prison to lock me up,
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Poslali su me u zatvor da bi me obuzdali,
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thinking, "Now there will be no cars
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mislili su, tamo neće biti automobila
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and no VIPs to be given tickets to.
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ni VIP osoba kojima bi se pisale kazne.
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Let's lock her up."
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Idemo je zatvoriti.
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Here I got a prison assignment.
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Tako sam dobila svoj zatvorski posao.
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This was a prison assignment which was one big den of criminals.
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Posao u zatvoru koji je bio veliko leglo kriminalaca.
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Obviously, it was.
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Očito.
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But 10,000 men,
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Ali, 10,000 ljudi,
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of which only 400 were women -- 10,000 --
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od kojih je samo 400 bilo žena -- 10,000 --
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9,000 plus about 600
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9,000 plus otprilike 600
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were men.
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su bili muškarci,
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Terrorists, rapists,
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teroristi, silovatelji,
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burglars, gangsters --
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provalnici, razbojnici --
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some of them I'd sent to jail
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neke sam ja poslala u zatvor
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as a police officer outside.
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dok sam bila policajka na terenu.
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And then how did I deal with them?
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I sad sam trebala imati posla s njima.
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The first day when I went in,
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Prvoga dana kad sam ušla unutra,
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I didn't know how to look at them.
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nisam znala kako da ih gledam.
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And I said, "Do you pray?" When I looked at the group, I said, "Do you pray?"
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Rekla sam, "Da li se molite?" Kad sam pogledala u njih, rekla sam, "Da li se molite?"
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They saw me as a young, short woman wearing a pathan suit.
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Oni su vidjeli mladu, nisku ženu u tamnom odijelu.
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I said, "Do you pray?"
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Rekla sam, "Da li se molite?"
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And they didn't say anything.
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A oni nisu ništa odgovorili.
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I said, "Do you pray? Do you want to pray?"
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Pitala sam, "Da li se molite? Da li se želite moliti?"
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They said, "Yes." I said, "All right, let's pray."
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Rekli su, "Da." Ja sam rekla, "U redu, idemo se moliti."
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I prayed for them, and things started to change.
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Molila sam za njih i stvari su se počele mijenjati.
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This is a visual of education inside the prison.
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Ovo je prikaz obrazovanja u zatvoru.
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Friends, this has never happened,
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Prijatelji, ovo se nikad dotad nije dogodilo,
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where everybody in the prison studies.
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da svi u zatvoru uče.
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I started this with community support.
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Pokrenula sam program uz podršku zajednice.
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Government had no budget.
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Jer vlada nije imala novca.
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It was one of the finest, largest volunteerism
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Bio je to jedan od naboljih, najvećih volonterskih programa
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in any prison in the world.
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u bilo kojem zatvoru svijeta.
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This was initiated in Delhi prison.
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Počelo je u zatvoru u Delhiju.
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You see one sample
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Vidite jedan primjer
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of a prisoner teaching a class.
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zatvorenika koji podučava razred.
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These are hundreds of classes.
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Postoje stotine razreda.
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Nine to eleven, every prisoner went into the education program --
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Od 9 do 11, svaki je zatvorenik bio uključen u neki obrazovni program.
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the same den in which they thought
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Ono isto leglo u koje su me mislili
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they would put me behind the bar and things would be forgotten.
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staviti iza rešetaka i pustiti da stvari padnu u zaborav,
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We converted this into an ashram --
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to smo pretvorili u ašram --
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from a prison to an ashram through education.
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od zatvora do ašrama preko edukacije.
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I think that's the bigger change.
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Mislim da je to najvažnija promjena.
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It was the beginning of a change.
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Ovo je bio početak promjene.
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Teachers were prisoners. Teachers were volunteers.
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Nastavnici su bili zatvorenici. Nastavnici su bili volonteri.
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Books came from donated schoolbooks.
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Udžbenike smo dobivali iz donacija.
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Stationery was donated.
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Pribor smo dobivali iz donacija.
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Everything was donated,
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Sve smo dobivali iz donacija,
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because there was no budget of education for the prison.
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zato što nije bilo novca za obrazovanje u zatvoru.
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Now if I'd not done that,
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Da to nisam napravila,
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it would have been a hellhole.
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tamo bi bio pakao.
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That's the second landmark.
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Ovo je druga prekretnica.
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I want to show you some moments of history in my journey,
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Želim vam pokazati neke trenutke iz svog putovanja,
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which probably you would never ever get to see anywhere in the world.
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koje vjerojatno nikad nigdje ne biste mogli vidjeti.
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One, the numbers you'll never get to see.
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Prvo, brojke koje nikad nećete vidjeti.
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Secondly, this concept.
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Drugo, zamisao.
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This was a meditation program inside the prison
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Ovo je program meditacije u zatvoru
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of over 1,000 prisoners.
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za više od tisuću zatvorenika.
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One thousand prisoners who sat in meditation.
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1,000 zatvorenika koji sjede i meditiraju.
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This was one of the most courageous steps
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To je bio jedan od najhrabrijih poteza
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I took as a prison governor.
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koje sam povukla kao upraviteljica zatvora.
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And this is what transformed.
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Tako su se stvari mijenjale.
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You want to know more about this,
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Ako želite znati više o tome,
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go and see this film, "Doing Time, Doing Vipassana."
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pogledajte film, "Odrađivanje kazne, odrađivanje Vipassane."
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You will hear about it, and you will love it.
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Čut ćete o tome i svidjet će vam se.
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And write to me on KiranBedi.com,
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Pišite mi na KiranBedi.com,
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and I'll respond to you.
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i odgovorit ću vam.
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Let me show you the next slide.
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Pokazat ću vam idući slajd.
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I took the same concept of mindfulness,
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Ponovno sam razvijala koncept pozornosti.
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because, why did I bring meditation into the Indian prison?
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Zašto sam uvela meditaciju u indijski zatvor?
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Because crime is a product of a distorted mind.
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Zato što zločin proizlazi iz iskrivljene svijesti.
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It was distortion of mind which needed to be addressed to control.
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Trebalo je kontrolirati tu iskrivljenu svijest,
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Not by preaching, not by telling,
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i to ne propovijedanjem, ne naređivanjem,
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not by reading, but by addressing your mind.
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ne čitanjem, nego obraćanjem svojoj svijesti.
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I took the same thing to the police,
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Istu stvar sam napravila i u policiji,
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because police, equally, were prisoners of their minds,
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jer su i policajci također bili zatvorenici svoje svijesti,
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and they felt as if it was "we" and "they,"
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osjećali su kao da postojimo mi i oni,
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and that the people don't cooperate.
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a da ljudi međusobno ne surađuju.
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This worked.
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Evo što je pomoglo.
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This is a feedback box called a petition box.
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Kutija za reakcije koju smo zvali glasačka kutija.
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This is a concept which I introduced
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To je ideja koju sam uvela
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to listen to complaints, listen to grievances.
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da bih čula primjedbe i žalbe.
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This was a magic box.
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To je bila čarobna kutija.
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This was a sensitive box.
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Osjećajna kutija.
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This is how a prisoner drew how they felt about the prison.
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Ovako je jedan zatvorenik oslikao svoj doživljaj zatvora.
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If you see somebody in the blue --
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Ako vidite čovjeka u plavom --
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yeah, this guy --
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da, ovog tu --
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he was a prisoner, and he was a teacher.
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to je zatvorenik i nastavnik.
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And you see, everybody's busy. There was no time to waste.
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I kao što vidite, svi nešto rade; nema vremena za gubljenje.
08:02
Let me wrap it up.
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Da zaključim.
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I'm currently into movements,
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Trenutačno se bavim pokretima,
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movements of education
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obrazovnim pokretima
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of the under-served children,
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za djecu koja žive u teškim prilikama,
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which is thousands -- India is all about thousands.
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kojih ima na tisuće -- u Indiji se sve mjeri u tisućama.
08:13
Secondly is about the anti-corruption movement in India.
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Drugo, antikorupcijski pokret u Indiji.
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That's a big way
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To je važno.
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we, as a small group of activists,
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Naša mala grupa aktivista
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have drafted an ombudsman bill for the government of India.
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sastavila je nacrt zakona o pravobranitelju namijenjen indijskoj vladi.
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Friends, you will hear a lot about it.
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Prijatelji, čut ćete još dosta o tome.
08:25
That's the movement at the moment I'm driving,
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To je pokret koji sada vodim,
08:27
and that's the movement and ambition of my life.
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i to je pokret i ambicija mog života.
08:30
Thank you very much.
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Hvala vam najljepša.
08:32
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:34
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.
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Hvala. Hvala. Hvala.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
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Hvala. Hvala. Hvala.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kiran Bedi - Corrections pioneerKiran Bedi was one of India's top cops -- tough, innovative and committed to social change. Now retired from the national police force, Bedi runs two NGOs that benefit rural and urban poor.
Why you should listen
Before she retired in 2007, Kiran Bedi was one of India’s top cops. As the first and highest-ranking female officer in the national police force, she earned a reputation for being tough yet innovative on the job. Her efforts to prevent crime, reform prisons, end drug abuse, and support women’s causes earned her a Roman Magsaysay Award, the Asian equivalent of the Nobel Prize. Bedi also served as a police adviser to the UN Secretary General.
In retirement, Bedi has become one of the most trusted and admired community leaders in India. She advocates for social change and civic responsibility through her books, columns, and a popular reality-TV show. She reaches out to more than 10,000 people daily through her two NGOs, Navjyoti and India Vision Foundation, which provide education, training, counseling and health care to the urban and rural poor. Her latest initiative, Mission Safer India, aims to ensure that police log and address citizen complaints. Her life is the subject of the 2008 documentary Yes, Madam Sir, narrated by Helen Mirren.
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