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Ismael Nazario - Prison reform advocate
Prison reform advocate Ismael Nazario helps former inmates from New York's Rikers Island jail reenter society.

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At the Fortune Society, Ismael Nazario helps former inmates from New York's Rikers Island jail reintegrate into society after their release. The issue is close to home for Nazario: When he was just shy of eighteen he was arrested for robbery and sent to Rikers Island, where he spent 300 days in solitary confinement before he was ever convicted of a crime. Now as part of the I-CAN (Individualized Correction Achievement Network) program, he helps those at high risk for recidivism get jobs and stay out of jail and prison.
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Ismael Nazario: What I learned as a kid in jail

Ismael Nazario: Što sam kao dijete naučio u zatvoru

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Ismael Nazario kao tinejdžer završio je u zatvoru Rikers Island u New Yorku gdje je proveo 300 dana u samici -- i sve to prije no što je uopće proglašen krivim za zločin. Sada kao zalagatelj za zatvorsku reformu trudi se promijeniti kulturu američkih zatvora u kojima su mladi ljudi nerijetko izloženi neviđenim oblicima nasilja. Nazario priča ovu priču od koje se ledi krv u žilama i daje prijedloge koji bi mogli pomoći, a ne nauditi mladima u zatvorima.
- Prison reform advocate
Prison reform advocate Ismael Nazario helps former inmates from New York's Rikers Island jail reenter society. Full bio

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00:12
We need to changepromijeniti the cultureKultura
in our jailsZatvori and prisonszatvorima,
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Dužni smo promijeniti
kulturu naših zatvora,
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especiallyposebno for youngmladi inmateszatvorenika.
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osobito za mlade zatvorenike.
00:19
NewNovi YorkYork statedržava is one
of only two in the U.S.
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Njujorški zatvor jedan je od dvaju u SAD-u
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that automaticallyautomatsko arrestsuhićenja and triespokušava
16- to 17-year-olds-godiĹnje starosti as adultsodrasli.
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koji automatski uhićuju i sude
16 i 17-ogodišnjacima kao odraslima.
00:26
This cultureKultura of violencenasilje
takes these youngmladi people
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ta kultura nasilja uzima mlade ljude
00:29
and putsstavlja them in a hostileneprijateljski environmentokolina,
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i stavlja ih u neprijateljsko okruženje,
00:31
and the correctionalpopravni officersslužbenici prettyprilično much
allowdopustiti any and everything to go on.
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a zatvorski čuvari dopuštaju
da se svašta događa.
00:35
There's not really much
for these youngmladi people to do
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Nema puno toga što ti
mladi ljudi mogu učiniti
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to actuallyzapravo enhancepovećati theirnjihov talenttalenat
and actuallyzapravo rehabilitaterehabilitaciju them.
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da bi unaprijedili svoje talente
i uistinu se rehabilitirali.
00:43
UntilDo we can raisepodići the agedob
of criminalkriminalac responsibilityodgovornost to 18,
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Dok ne podignemo granicu za
kriminalnu odgovornost na 18 godina,
00:46
we need to focusfokus on changingmijenjanje
the dailydnevno livesživot of these youngmladi people.
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moramo se skoncentrirati na
mijenjanje dnevne rutine ovih mladih.
00:50
I know firsthandiz prve ruke.
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Znam to iz prve ruke.
00:52
Before I ever turnedokrenut 18,
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Prije no što sam napunio 18,
00:53
I spentpotrošen approximatelypribližno
400 daysdana on RikersRikers IslandOtok,
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proveo sam 400-tinjak dana
na Rikers Islandu,
00:57
and to adddodati to that
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usto
proveo sam skoro tristo dana u samici
00:59
I spentpotrošen almostskoro 300 daysdana
in solitaryosamljeni confinementzatvaranje,
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01:02
and let me tell you this:
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i reći ću vam ovo:
01:05
ScreamingVrištanje at the topvrh of your lungspluća
all day on your cellćelija doorvrata
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Kad vrištiš iz sveg glasa na vrata samice
01:08
or screamingvrištanje at the topvrh
of your lungspluća out the windowprozor,
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ili vrištiš iz sveg glasa kroz prozor,
01:11
it getsdobiva tiringnaporan.
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umoriš se.
01:13
SinceOd there's not much for you to do
while you're in there,
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Budući da nemaš
baš neke zanimacije dok si tamo,
01:16
you startpočetak pacingtempo
back and forthdalje in your cellćelija,
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počneš šetkati ćelijom gore-dolje,
01:18
you startpočetak talkingkoji govori to yourselfsami,
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pričati sam sa sobom,
01:20
your thoughtsmisli startpočetak runningtrčanje wilddivlji,
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misli ti poblesave
01:22
and then your thoughtsmisli
becomepostati your ownvlastiti worstnajgori enemyneprijatelj.
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i postanu tvoj najgori neprijatelj.
01:25
JailsZatvori are actuallyzapravo supposedtrebala
to rehabilitaterehabilitaciju a personosoba,
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Zatvori su namijenjeni za rehabilitaciju
osoba,
01:28
not causeuzrok him or her
to becomepostati more angryljut,
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a ne za dodatno razbješnjivanje i
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frustratedfrustriran, and feel more hopelessbeznadan.
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frustriranje, niti za povećanje
osjećaja bespomoćnosti.
01:34
SinceOd there's not a dischargeiscjedak planplan
put in placemjesto for these youngmladi people,
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Budući da nema nikakvog plana otpuštanja
za ove mlade ljude,
01:38
they prettyprilično much
reenterponovno unesite societydruštvo with nothing.
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oni se uglavnom u društvo vrate
bez ičega.
01:43
And there's not really much for them to do
to keep them from recidivatingrecidivating.
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I malo toga može ih odvratiti
od ponavljanja zločina.
01:47
But it all startspočinje with the C.O.s.
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Ali sve počinje sa zatvorskim čuvarima.
01:50
It's very easylako for some people
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Nekim je ljudima iznimno lako
01:52
to look at these correctionalpopravni officersslužbenici
as the good guys
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zatvorske čuvare smatrati dobricama,
01:55
and the inmateszatvorenika as the badloše guys,
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a zatvorenike zločestim dečkima
01:57
or vicezamjenik versaversa for some,
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ili obrnuto za neke,
01:59
but it's a little more than that.
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ali nije to samo tako.
02:00
See, these C.O.s are normalnormalan,
everydaysvaki dan people.
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Ti su čuvari normalni, obični ljudi.
02:03
They come from the sameisti neighborhoodsčetvrti
as the populationpopulacija they "serveposlužiti."
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Dolaze iz istih kvartova
poput populacije koju "služe" .
02:09
They're just normalnormalan people.
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Oni su obični ljudi.
02:11
They're not robotsroboti, and there's
nothing specialposeban about them.
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Nisu roboti i nisu ni po čemu posebni.
02:15
They do prettyprilično much everything
anybodyiko elsedrugo in societydruštvo does.
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Rade više-manje sve što i ostatak društva.
02:19
The malemuški C.O.s want to talk
and flirtflert with the femaležena C.O.s.
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Muški zatvorenici žele razgovarati
i nabacivati se ženskim zatvorenicima.
02:22
They playigrati the little highvisok schoolškola
kiddijete gamesigre with eachsvaki other.
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Igraju srednjoškolske dječje igre
jedni s drugima.
02:25
They politicpolitičkih with one anotherjoš.
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Nadmudruju se jedni s drugima.
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And the femaležena C.O.s gossiptrač to eachsvaki other.
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I ženske zatvorenice tračaju jedne druge.
02:31
So I spentpotrošen numerousbrojan amountsiznosi of time
with numerousbrojan amountsiznosi of C.O.s,
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Proveo sam jako puno vremena s
brojnim zatvorskim čuvarima
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and let me tell you about
this one in particularposebno namedpod nazivom MonroeMonroe.
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i ispričat ću vam priču o jednom Monroeu.
02:40
One day he pulledizvukao me
in betweenizmeđu the A and B doorsvrata
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Jednog me dana gurnuo među A i B vrata
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whichkoji separateodvojen the northsjeverno
and southjug sidesstrane of our housingkućište unitjedinica.
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koja odvajaju sjevernu
i južnu stranu odjeljenja.
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He pulledizvukao me there because I had
a physicalfizička altercationsvađa
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Odvukao me tamo jer sam
bio upleten u fizički sukob
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with anotherjoš youngmladi man in my housingkućište unitjedinica,
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s drugim mladićem u našem odjeljenju.
02:51
and he feltosjećala, sinceod there was
a femaležena officerčasnik workingrad on the floorkat,
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On je mislio da je, budući da je
za taj kat bila zadužena čuvarica,
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that I violatedpovrijeđeno his shiftsmjena.
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da sam naštetio njegovoj smjeni.
Udario me u prsa.
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So he punchedbušena me in my chestgrudi.
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02:59
He kindljubazan of knockedpokucao the windvjetar out of me.
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Izbacio je zrak iz njih.
03:01
I wasn'tnije impulsiveimpulzivne,
I didn't reactreagirati right away,
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Nisam bio impulzivan,
nisam odmah reagirao
jer sam znao da je to njihova kuća.
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because I know this is theirnjihov housekuća.
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03:06
I have no winspobjeda.
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Nisam imao pravo ni na što.
03:08
All he has to do is pullVuci his pinigla
and backuprezerva will come immediatelyodmah.
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Samo je trebao zazviždati
i potpora bi mu stigla iste sekunde.
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So I just gavedali him a look in his eyesoči
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Samo sam ga pogledao u oči
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and I guessnagađati he saw the angerbijes
and frustrationfrustracija just burningspaljivanje,
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i valjda je vidio ljutnju i
frustraciju koja je u meni ključala
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and he said to me,
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i rekao mi je:
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"Your eyesoči are going to get you
in a lot of troublenevolja,
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"Tvoje će te oči uvaliti
u brojne probleme,
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because you're looking
like you want to fightborba."
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izgledaš kao da se želiš tući."
03:27
So he commencedzapočeo
to takinguzimanje off his utilitykorisnost beltpojas,
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Počeo je skidati radni remen,
03:30
he tookuzeo off his shirtkošulja and his badgeznačka,
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skinuo je majicu i značku
03:32
and he said, "We could fightborba."
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i rekao: "Možemo se tući."
03:34
So I askedpitao him, "You gonna holddržati it down?"
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Upitao sam ga: "Hoćeš li to razglasiti?"
03:37
Now, that's a termtermin that's
commonlyobično used on RikersRikers IslandOtok
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E sad, to je učestao termin
na Rikers Islandu
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meaningznačenje that you're not
going to say anything to anybodyiko,
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koji znači da nikome ništa nećeš reći
03:42
and you're not going to reportizvješće it.
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i nećeš to prijaviti.
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He said, "Yeah, I'm gonna holddržati it down.
You gonna holddržati it down?"
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Rekao je: "Da, neću to razglasiti.
Hoćeš li ti?"
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I didn't even respondodgovarati.
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Nisam ni odgovorio.
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I just punchedbušena him right in his facelice,
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Samo sam ga zviznuo šakom u lice
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and we beganpočeo fightingborba
right then and there.
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i odmah smo se počeli tući.
03:55
TowardsPrema the endkraj of the fightborba,
he slammedudario me up againstprotiv the wallzid,
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Kad je tuča bila pri kraju,
prislonio me uza zid
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so while we were tussledPokušali up,
he said to me, "You good?"
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i dok smo bili u klinču,
pitao me jesam li dobro,
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as if he got the bestnajbolje of me,
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kao da me porazio,
04:04
but in my mindum, I know
I got the bestnajbolje of him,
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ali ja znam da sam ja porazio njega,
04:07
so I repliedodgovorila very cockysamosvjestan,
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stoga sam umišljeno odgovorio:
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"Oh, I'm good, you good?"
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"Dobro sam. Jesi li ti?"
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He said, "Yeah, I'm good,
I'm good."
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Rekao je: "Da, dobro sam, dobro sam."
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We let go, he shookpotresla my handruka,
said he gavedali me my respectpoštovanje,
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Pustili smo jedan drugoga, rukovali se,
rekao mi je da me poštuje,
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gavedali me a cigarettecigareta and sentposlao me on my way.
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dao mi je cigaretu i rekao mi da idem.
04:21
Believe it or not, you come acrosspreko
some C.O.s on RikersRikers IslandOtok
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Vjerovali ili ne, u Rikers Islandu
naići ćete na čuvare
04:25
that'llto će fightborba you one-on-onejedan na jedan.
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koji će se s vama potući jedan-na-jedan.
04:28
They feel that they understandrazumjeti how it is,
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Misle da razumiju kako je to
04:30
and they feel that I'm going
to meetsastati you where you're at.
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i misle da ćemo se naći na pola puta
04:33
SinceOd this is how you commonlyobično
handlerukovati your disputessporova,
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budući da se ovako
inače rješavaju sporovi,
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we can handlerukovati it in that mannerdržanje.
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tako ih možemo riješiti.
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I walkhodati away from it like a man,
you walkhodati away from it like a man,
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Ja tome okrenem leđa kao muškarac,
ti okreneš leđa tome kao muškarac
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and that's it.
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i to je to.
04:42
Some C.O.s feel that
they're jailingdržanje u zatvoru with you.
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Neki čuvari misle da su zatvoreni s vama.
04:44
This is why they have that mentalitymentalitet
and that attitudestav
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Zato imaju taj mentalitet i taj stav
04:47
and they go by that conceptkoncept.
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i vode se tom idejom.
04:49
In some instancesslučajevi, we're in it
togetherzajedno with the C.O.s.
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U nekim slučajevima,
u tome smo zajedno s čuvarima.
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HoweverMeđutim, institutionsinstitucije need to give
these correctionalpopravni officersslužbenici
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No institucije čuvarima trebaju pružiti
04:55
properodgovarajuće trainingstreninzi on how to properlypropisno dealdogovor
with the adolescentadolescenata populationpopulacija,
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adekvatnu obuku kako bi se mogli
nositi s adolescentima,
04:58
and they alsotakođer need
to give them properodgovarajuće trainingstreninzi
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a trebaju im pružiti i adekvatnu obuku
05:01
on how to dealdogovor with
the mentalmentalni healthzdravlje populationpopulacija as well.
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kako da se nose s mentalno oboljelima.
05:04
These C.O.s playigrati a bigvelika factorfaktor
in these youngmladi people'snarodno livesživot
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Ti čuvari igraju veliku ulogu
u životu ovih mladih ljudi
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for x amountiznos of time untildo a dispositionrazmještaja
is reachedpostignut on theirnjihov casespis.
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na određeno vrijeme dok se
ne odluči o njihovom slučaju.
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So why not try to mentormentor
these youngmladi people while they're there?
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Zašto onda ne pokušati biti mentor
tim mladim ljudima dok su tamo?
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Why not try to give them some typetip
of insightuvid to make a changepromijeniti,
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Zašto im ne pomoći da se promijene,
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so oncejednom they reenterponovno unesite back into societydruštvo,
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tako da kad se vrate u društvo,
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they're doing something positivepozitivan?
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rade nešto pozitivno?
05:28
A seconddrugi bigvelika thing to help our teenstinejdžeri
in jailsZatvori is better programmingprogramiranje.
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Ono što bi još moglo pomoći mladima
u zatvorima jest bolje programiranje.
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When I was on RikersRikers IslandOtok,
the hugeogroman thing was solitaryosamljeni confinementzatvaranje.
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Kad sam bio na Rikers Islandu,
bili su poznati po samicama.
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SolitaryOsamljeni confinementzatvaranje
was originallyizvorno designedkonstruiran
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Samice su originalno osmišljene
05:40
to breakpauza a personosoba mentallymentalno,
physicallytjelesno and emotionallyemotivno.
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kako bi osobu slomile mentalno,
fizički i emocionalno.
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That's what it was designedkonstruiran for.
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Za to su osmišljene.
05:47
The U.S. AttorneyOdvjetnik GeneralOpće
recentlynedavno releasedoslobođen a reportizvješće
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Američki državni tužilac
nedavno je objavio izvješće
05:50
statingnavodeći that they're going
to banzabrana solitaryosamljeni confinementzatvaranje
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u kojem tvrdi da će zabraniti samice
05:52
in NewNovi YorkYork statedržava for teenstinejdžeri.
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u New Yorku za tinejdžere.
05:55
One thing that keptčuva me sanezdrav while I
was in solitaryosamljeni confinementzatvaranje was readingčitanje.
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Ono što mi je pomoglo da ostanem normalan
u samici bilo je čitanje.
05:59
I triedpokušala to educateobrazovati myselfsebe
as much as possiblemoguće.
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Pokušao sam se što više obrazovati.
06:02
I readčitati any and everything
I could get my handsruke on.
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Čitao sam sve što mi je došlo pod ruku.
06:05
And asideu stranu from that,
I wrotenapisao musicglazba and shortkratak storiespriče.
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A osim toga pisao sam
kratke priče i glazbu.
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Some programsprogrami that I feel
would benefitkorist our youngmladi people
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Neki od programa za koje mislim da bi
pomogli našim mladima su
06:14
are artumjetnost therapyterapija programsprogrami
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programi umjetničke terapije
06:17
for the kidsdjeca that like to drawizvući
and have that talenttalenat,
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za djecu koja vole crtati
i koja su talentirana za to.
06:20
and what about the youngmladi individualspojedinci
that are musicallyglazbeno inclinedSkloni?
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A što s onim mladima
kojima leži glazba?
06:24
How about a musicglazba programprogram for them
that actuallyzapravo teachesuči them
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Možda glazbeni program
koji bi ih zapravo učio
06:27
how to writepisati and make musicglazba?
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pisati glazbu i skladati je?
06:29
Just a thought.
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To je samo ideja.
06:30
When adolescentsadolescenata come to RikersRikers IslandOtok,
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Kada adolescenti dođu na Rikers Island,
06:33
C74, RNDCRNDC is the buildingzgrada
that they're housedsmješten in.
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C74, RNDC je zgrada u kojoj su smješteni.
06:37
That's nicknamedprozvan "gladiatorgladijator schoolškola,"
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Od milja zvana "gladijatorska škola"
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because you have a youngmladi individualpojedinac
comingdolazak in from the streetulica
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jer imate mladu osobu koja dolazi s ulice
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thinkingmišljenje that they're toughtvrd,
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misleći da je opasna,
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beingbiće surroundedokružen by a bunchmnogo
of other youngmladi individualspojedinci
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okružena gomilom drugih mladih ljudi
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from all of the fivepet boroughsčetvrti,
and everybodysvi feelsosjeća that they're toughtvrd.
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iz svih pet kvartova
i svi misle da su jako opasni.
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So now you have a bunchmnogo of youngmladi gentlemengospoda
pokingbode theirnjihov chestsškrinje out
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I sad tu imate gomilu mladića
koji dižu nos u oblake
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feelingosjećaj that I have to provedokazati
I'm equallyjednako as toughtvrd as you
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misleći da moraju dokazati da su
jednako opasni kao ti
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or I'm tougherteže than you, you and you.
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ili da su opasniji od svakog drugog.
07:02
But let's be honestpošten:
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No budimo iskreni:
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That cultureKultura is very dangerousopasno
and damagingoštećenja to our youngmladi people.
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takva kultura veoma je opasna
i štetna za naše mlade ljude.
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We need to help institutionsinstitucije
and these teenstinejdžeri realizeostvariti
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Moramo pomoći institucijama
i mladima da shvate
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that they don't have to leaddovesti
the previousprijašnji lifestylenačin života that they led
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da ne moraju živjeti životima
kakve su živjeli
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when they were on the streetulica,
that they can actuallyzapravo make a changepromijeniti.
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dok su bili na ulicama,
da se uistinu mogu promijeniti.
07:18
It's sadtužan to reportizvješće
that while I was in prisonzatvor,
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Žao mi je što moram reći
da dok sam bio u zatvoru,
07:21
I used to hearčuti dudestipovi talkingkoji govori about
when they get releasedoslobođen from prisonzatvor,
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čuo sam tipove kako pričaju
što će raditi kad ih konačno puste,
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what typetip of crimesza zločine
they're going to commitpočiniti
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kakve će zločine počinjavati
07:29
when they get back in the streetulica.
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kad se vrate na ulicu.
07:31
The conversationsrazgovori used to soundzvuk
something like this:
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Ti bi razgovori zvučali ovako nekako:
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"Oh, when I hithit the streetulica,
my brotherbrat got this connectionveza
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"Jao, kad se vratim na ulicu,
moj je brat našao neku štelu
07:38
for this, that and the thirdtreći,"
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za ovo, ono i još nešto."
07:39
or, "My man over here
got this connectionveza for the lownizak pricecijena.
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Ili: "Moj nam tip
može srediti nižu cijenu.
07:42
Let's exchangerazmjena informationinformacija,"
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Razmijenimo podatke."
07:44
and, "When we hithit the towngrad,
we're going to do it realstvaran bigvelika."
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Ili: "Kad se vratimo na ulice,
napravit ćemo nešto veliko."
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I used to hearčuti these conversationsrazgovori
and think to myselfsebe, "WowSjajna osoba,
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Kad bih takvo što čuo,
pomislio bih: "Jao,
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these dudestipovi are really talkingkoji govori about
going back in the streetulica
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ovi tipovi stvarno pričaju o tome
kako će se vratiti na ulice
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and committingizvršenje futurebudućnost crimesza zločine."
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i činit će nove zločine."
07:54
So I camedošao up with a nameime for that:
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Smislio sam ime za tu pojavu:
07:55
I calledzvao it a go-back-to-jail-quickići leđa-u-zatvoru brzo schemeshema
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brz povratak u zatvor.
07:58
because really, how long
is that going to last?
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Zato što to zasigurno
ne može dugo potrajati.
08:02
You get a retirementodlazak u mirovinu planplan with that?
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Dobiješ li uz to i plan za mirovinu?
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NiceLijepo little pensionSmještaj? 401(k)? 403(b)?
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Lijepu malu mirovinu? 401 (k)? 403 (b)?
08:08
You get healthzdravlje insuranceosiguranje? DentalStomatološke?
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Zdravstveno osiguranje? Zubara?
08:11
(LaughterSmijeh)
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(Smijeh)
08:13
But I will tell you this:
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Ali ovo ću vam reći:
08:15
BeingSe in jailzatvor and beingbiće in prisonzatvor,
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u zatvoru sam
08:17
I camedošao acrosspreko some of the mostnajviše
intelligentinteligentan, brilliantsjajan,
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naišao na najinteligentnije,
najbriljantnije
08:20
and talentedtalentirani people
that I would ever meetsastati.
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i najtalentiranije ljude koje sam
ikada upoznao.
08:23
I've seenvidio individualspojedinci
take a potatokrumpir chipčip bagtorba
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Vidio sam pojedince
kako od vrećice od čipsa
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and turnskretanje it into the mostnajviše
beautifullijep pictureslika frameokvir.
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izrađuju predivne okvire za slike.
08:28
I've seenvidio individualspojedinci take
the statedržava soapsapun that's providedako for freebesplatno
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Vidio sam ljude koji su od sapuna
08:31
and turnskretanje them into
the mostnajviše beautifullijep sculpturesskulpture
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radili predivne skulpture
08:33
that would make MichelangeloMichelangelo
look like a kindergartnerkindergartner madenapravljen it.
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koje bi i Michelangela posramile.
08:38
At the agedob of 21, I was in
a maximum-securityčuvanog prisonzatvor
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S 21 godinom bio sam
u najstrože čuvanom zatvoru
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calledzvao ElmiraElmira CorrectionalKazneno-popravni FacilityObjekt.
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zvanom Popravni dom Elmira.
08:43
I just camedošao out of the weighttežina shackkoliba
from workingrad out,
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Baš sam se vratio s treninga
08:45
and I saw an olderstariji gentlemangospodin that I knewznao
standingstajati in the middlesrednji of the yarddvorište
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i vidio poznatog starijeg gospodina
kako stoji nasred dvorišta
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just looking up at the skynebo.
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i gleda nebo.
08:50
MindUm you, this olderstariji gentlemengospoda was servingservirati
a 33-and-a-third-to-life- i -i-treći-na-život sentencekazna
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Pazite, taj je stariji gospodin
služio 33 godine i tri doživotne kazne,
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in whichkoji he alreadyveć had servedslužio
20 yearsgodina of that sentencekazna.
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a dotad je već odslužio 20 godina kazne.
08:58
So I walkhodati up to him and I said,
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Prišao sam mu i rekao:
08:59
"O.G., what's going on, man, you good?"
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"O.G, što ima, kompa, jesi dobro?"
09:01
He lookedgledao at me, and he said,
"Yeah, I'm good, youngmladi bloodkrv."
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Pogledao me i rekao:
"Dobro sam, mladiću."
09:04
I'm like, "So what are you looking
up at the skynebo for, man?
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Rekoh: "Zašto gledaš nebo?
Što ima tamo?"
09:07
What's so fascinatingfascinantan up there?"
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09:09
He said, "You look up
and you tell me what you see."
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Rekao je: "Pogledaj, pa ti meni reci."
09:13
"CloudsOblaci." (LaughterSmijeh)
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"Oblaci." (Smijeh)
09:16
He said, "All right.
What elsedrugo do you see?"
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Rekao je: "Dobro, što još vidiš?"
09:19
At that time, it was a planeavion passingpretjecanje by.
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Baš tada je prolazio avion.
09:22
I said, "All right, I see an airplanezrakoplov."
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Rekoh: "Aha, vidim avion."
09:24
He said, "ExactlyTočno, and what's
on that airplanezrakoplov?" "People."
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Rekao je: "Upravo tako.
A što je na tom avionu?" "Ljudi."
09:28
"ExactlyTočno. Now where'sgdje je that planeavion
and those people going?"
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"Upravo tako. A kamo ide
taj avion i ti ljudi?"
"Ne znam. Znaš li ti?
09:32
"I don't know. You know?
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09:33
Please let me know if you do.
Then let me get some lotterylutrija numbersbrojevi."
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Reci mi ako znaš.
A onda ću i zaigrati loto."
09:38
He said, "You're missingnedostaje
the bigvelika pictureslika, youngmladi bloodkrv.
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Rekao je: "Mladiću,
ne vidiš što je tu bitno.
09:41
That planeavion with those people
is going somewherenegdje,
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Taj avion s ljudima nekamo ide,
09:43
while we're here stucku škripcu.
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a mi smo ovdje zatočeni.
09:46
The bigvelika pictureslika is this:
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Ovo je važno:
09:48
That planeavion with those people
going somewherenegdje,
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Taj avion s ljudima ide negdje,
09:50
that's life passingpretjecanje us by
while we behindiza these wallszidovi, stucku škripcu."
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to je život koji nam bježi
dok smo mi zatočeni iza ovih zidina."
09:58
Ever sinceod that day,
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Tada mi je nešto
10:00
that sparkedizazvao something in my mindum
and madenapravljen me know I had to make a changepromijeniti.
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sjelo u glavi i uvjerilo me da je
vrijeme za promjenu.
10:04
GrowingUzgoj up, I was always
a good, smartpametan kiddijete.
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Odrastajući, uvijek sam bio
dobro, pametno dijete.
10:07
Some people would say
I was a little too smartpametan for my ownvlastiti good.
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Neki bi rekli da sam bio malo prepametan.
10:12
I had dreamssnovi of becomingpostaje
an architectarhitekt or an archaeologistarheolog.
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Htio sam biti arhitekt ili arheolog.
Trenutno radim u Društvu sreće.
10:18
CurrentlyTrenutno, I'm workingrad
at the FortuneBogatstvo SocietyDruštvo,
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whichkoji is a reentryKada sam došao programprogram,
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To je program za resocijalizaciju,
10:22
and I work with people as a casespis managermenadžer
that are at highvisok riskrizik for recidivismrecidivizam.
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a radim s ljudima kao nadglednik za
slučajeve s visokim rizikom recidivizma.
10:26
So I connectSpojiti them
with the servicesusluge that they need
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Povezujem te ljude sa službama
koje im trebaju
10:29
oncejednom they're releasedoslobođen from jailzatvor and prisonzatvor
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kad izađu iz zatvora
10:31
so they can make a positivepozitivan transitiontranzicija
back into societydruštvo.
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kako bi doživjeli
pozitivan povratak u društvo.
10:34
If I was to see my 15-year-old-godinu star selfsam todaydanas,
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Da danas vidim svoju 15-ogodišnju verziju,
10:37
I would sitsjediti down and talk to him
and try to educateobrazovati him
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sjeo bih s njim i popričali bismo
i pokušao bih ga obrazovati
10:40
and I would let him know,
"Listen, this is me. I'm you.
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i rekao bih mu:
"Slušaj me, ovo sam ja. Ja sam ti.
10:44
This is us. We are one.
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To smo mi. Mi smo jedno.
10:46
Everything that you're about to do,
I know what you're gonna do
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Sve što planiraš učiniti, ja znam
10:49
before you do it because I alreadyveć did it,
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prije no što to uopće učiniš
jer sam ja to već učinio.
10:52
and I would encourageohrabriti him
not to hangobjesiti out with x, y and z people.
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Rekao bih mu da se ne druži
s tim i tim ljudima.
10:55
I would tell him not to be
in such-and-suchtakav-i-takav placemjesto.
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Rekao bih mu da ne ide na ta i ta mjesta.
10:58
I would tell him,
keep your behindiza in schoolškola, man,
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Rekao bih mu da se drži škole
11:00
because that's where you need to be,
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jer mu je tamo mjesto
11:02
because that's what's going
to get you somewherenegdje in life.
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jer će mu to pružiti životne mogućnosti.
11:05
This is the messageporuka
that we should be sharingdijeljenje
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To je poruka koju bismo trebali širiti
11:07
with our youngmladi menmuškarci and youngmladi womenžene.
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među našim mladima.
11:09
We shouldn'tne treba be treatingtretiranje them as adultsodrasli
and puttingstavljanje them in cultureskulture of violencenasilje
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Ne bismo ih trebali tretirati kao odrasle
i trpati ih u kulture nasilja
iz kojih je gotovo nemoguće pobjeći.
11:13
that are nearlyskoro impossiblenemoguće
for them to escapepobjeći.
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11:16
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
11:18
(ApplausePljesak)
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(Pljesak)

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ismael Nazario - Prison reform advocate
Prison reform advocate Ismael Nazario helps former inmates from New York's Rikers Island jail reenter society.

Why you should listen
At the Fortune Society, Ismael Nazario helps former inmates from New York's Rikers Island jail reintegrate into society after their release. The issue is close to home for Nazario: When he was just shy of eighteen he was arrested for robbery and sent to Rikers Island, where he spent 300 days in solitary confinement before he was ever convicted of a crime. Now as part of the I-CAN (Individualized Correction Achievement Network) program, he helps those at high risk for recidivism get jobs and stay out of jail and prison.
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