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Dalia Mogahed: What it's like to be Muslim in America
Dalia Mogahed: Što mislite kada me pogledate?
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Kada pogledate akademičarku muslimanku, Daliu Mogahed, što vidite: ženu vjere? akademičarku, mamu, sestru? ili potlačenu potencijalnu teroristkinju ispranog mozga? U ovom osobnom, snažnom govoru, Mogahed od nas traži u ovo polarizirajuće vrijeme, da se borimo protiv negativnih percepcija njezine vjere u medijima -- i odaberemo suosjećanje nad predrasudama.
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholar
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
Researcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities. Full bio
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00:13
What do you think when you look at me?
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Što pomislite kada me ugledate?
00:16
A woman of faith? An expert?
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Žena vjernica? Stručnjakinja?
00:19
Maybe even a sister.
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Možda čak i sestra.
00:21
Or oppressed,
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Ili potlačena,
00:23
brainwashed,
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ispranog mozga,
00:25
a terrorist.
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teroristkinja.
00:28
Or just an airport security line delay.
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Ili samo da je odgođena
provjera sigurnosti u zračnoj luci.
provjera sigurnosti u zračnoj luci.
00:32
That one's actually true.
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Ovo zadnje je zapravo i točno.
00:34
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:35
If some of your perceptions were negative,
I don't really blame you.
I don't really blame you.
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Ako ste pomislili nešto
negativno, ne krivim vas za to.
negativno, ne krivim vas za to.
00:38
That's just how the media
has been portraying
has been portraying
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Jer mediji prikazuju negativnim
00:41
people who look like me.
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osobe koje izgledaju poput mene.
00:42
One study found
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Jedno istraživanje pokazuje
00:44
that 80 percent of news coverage
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
about Islam and Muslims is negative.
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da je 80 posto vijesti o islamu
i muslimanima negativno.
i muslimanima negativno.
00:48
And studies show that Americans
say that most don't know a Muslim.
say that most don't know a Muslim.
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I pokazuju da Amerikanci većinom
kažu da ne poznaju nijednog muslimana.
kažu da ne poznaju nijednog muslimana.
00:53
I guess people don't talk
to their Uber drivers.
to their Uber drivers.
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Valjda ne pričaju s taksi vozačima.
00:55
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
00:59
Well, for those of you
who have never met a Muslim,
who have never met a Muslim,
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Pa, za sve vas koji nikad
niste upoznali muslimana,
niste upoznali muslimana,
01:02
it's great to meet you.
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lijepo je upoznati vas.
01:05
Let me tell you who I am.
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Reći ću vam tko sam ja.
01:08
I'm a mom, a coffee lover --
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Ja sam majka, ljubiteljica kave,
01:11
double espresso, cream on the side.
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duplog esspressa s vrhnjem.
01:14
I'm an introvert.
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Ja sam introvert.
01:16
I'm a wannabe fitness fanatic.
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Uvijek fantaziram da ću
se početi baviti fitnesom.
se početi baviti fitnesom.
01:18
And I'm a practicing, spiritual Muslim.
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I ja sam praktična, duhovna muslimanka.
01:23
But not like Lady Gaga says,
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
because baby, I wasn't born this way.
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Ali ne kao što Lady Gaga kaže,
jer dušo, nisam rođena ovakva.
jer dušo, nisam rođena ovakva.
01:28
It was a choice.
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To je bio moj izbor.
01:31
When I was 17, I decided to come out.
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Kad sam imala 17 godina,
odlučila sam priznati tko sam.
odlučila sam priznati tko sam.
01:35
No, not as a gay person
like some of my friends,
like some of my friends,
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Ali ne priznati da sam gej,
kao neki moji prijatelji,
kao neki moji prijatelji,
01:38
but as a Muslim,
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već da sam muslimanka,
01:40
and decided to start wearing
the hijab, my head covering.
the hijab, my head covering.
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i odlučula sam početi
nositi hidžab, veo na glavi.
nositi hidžab, veo na glavi.
01:44
My feminist friends were aghast:
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Moje prijateljice
feministkinje bile su užasnute:
feministkinje bile su užasnute:
01:47
"Why are you oppressing yourself?"
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"Zašto se ponižavaš?"
01:51
The funny thing was,
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Što je smiješno,
01:52
it was actually at that time
a feminist declaration of independence
a feminist declaration of independence
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jer to je bilo baš u vrijeme
feminističke nezavisnosti
feminističke nezavisnosti
01:58
from the pressure I felt as a 17-year-old,
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od pritiska kojeg sam osjećala
kao sedamnaestogodišnjakinja
kao sedamnaestogodišnjakinja
02:02
to conform to a perfect
and unattainable standard of beauty.
and unattainable standard of beauty.
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da se prilagodim savršenom i
nedostižnom standardu ljepote.
nedostižnom standardu ljepote.
02:07
I didn't just passively accept
the faith of my parents.
the faith of my parents.
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Nisam samo pasivno
prihvatila vjeru svojih roditelja.
prihvatila vjeru svojih roditelja.
02:12
I wrestled with the Quran.
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Borila sam se s Kuranom.
02:14
I read and reflected
and questioned and doubted
and questioned and doubted
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Čitala sam, razmišljala,
propitkivala i sumnjala
propitkivala i sumnjala
02:20
and, ultimately, believed.
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i konačno, povjerovala.
02:23
My relationship with God --
it was not love at first sight.
it was not love at first sight.
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Moja veza s Bogom
nije bila ljubav na prvi pogled.
nije bila ljubav na prvi pogled.
02:29
It was a trust and a slow surrender
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To je bilo povjerenje i sporo predanje
02:32
that deepened with every
reading of the Quran.
reading of the Quran.
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koje se produbljivalo
svakim čitanjem Kurana.
svakim čitanjem Kurana.
02:36
Its rhythmic beauty
sometimes moves me to tears.
sometimes moves me to tears.
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Ljepota Kurana me ponekad
dotakne do suza.
dotakne do suza.
02:40
I see myself in it.
I feel that God knows me.
I feel that God knows me.
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Vidim sebe u njemu.
Osjećam da me Bog poznaje.
Osjećam da me Bog poznaje.
02:45
Have you ever felt like someone sees you,
completely understands you
completely understands you
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Jeste li ikada osjećali da vas
netko vidi i potpuno razumije,
netko vidi i potpuno razumije,
02:50
and yet loves you anyway?
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i voli vas unatoč svemu?
02:52
That's how it feels.
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To je takav osjećaj.
02:55
And so later, I got married,
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I tako, kasnije sam se udala,
02:58
and like all good Egyptians,
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i poput svih dobrih Egipćanki,
03:00
started my career as an engineer.
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počela svoju karijeru u graditeljstvu.
03:02
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
03:06
I later had a child,
after getting married,
after getting married,
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Zatim sam dobila dijete,
nakon što sam se udala,
nakon što sam se udala,
03:11
and I was living essentially
the Egyptian-American dream.
the Egyptian-American dream.
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i, u biti, živjela sam
američko-egipćanski san.
američko-egipćanski san.
03:18
And then that terrible morning
of September, 2001.
of September, 2001.
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I onda, to užasno jutro, u rujnu 2001.
03:24
I think a lot of you probably remember
exactly where you were that morning.
exactly where you were that morning.
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Mislim da se većina vas sjeća
gdje ste točno bili tog jutra.
gdje ste točno bili tog jutra.
03:31
I was sitting in my kitchen
finishing breakfast,
finishing breakfast,
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Ja sam sjedila u kuhinji,
završavala doručak,
završavala doručak,
03:34
and I look up on the screen
and see the words "Breaking News."
and see the words "Breaking News."
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i pogledala u ekran,
gdje je pisalo "Izvanredne vijesti."
gdje je pisalo "Izvanredne vijesti."
03:39
There was smoke,
airplanes flying into buildings,
airplanes flying into buildings,
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Vidjela sam dim,
avione koji lete u zgrade,
avione koji lete u zgrade,
03:42
people jumping out of buildings.
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ljude koji skaču iz zgrada.
03:45
What was this?
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Što je to bilo?
03:47
An accident?
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Nesreća?
03:49
A malfunction?
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Kvar?
03:53
My shock quickly turned to outrage.
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Moj šok se ubrzo pretvorio u bijes.
03:56
Who would do this?
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Tko bi to učinio?
03:59
And I switch the channel and I hear,
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I prebacim program i čujem
04:02
"... Muslim terrorist ...,"
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"... muslimanski terorist ...,"
04:04
"... in the name of Islam ...,"
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"... u ime islama ...,"
04:06
"... Middle-Eastern descent ...,"
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"... iz Bliskog istoka ...,"
04:08
"... jihad ...,"
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"... džihad ...,"
04:10
"... we should bomb Mecca."
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"... trebali bismo bombardirati Meku."
04:12
Oh my God.
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O moj Bože.
04:15
Not only had my country been attacked,
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Ne samo da je moja zemlja napadnuta,
04:19
but in a flash,
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već u jednom trenutku,
04:20
somebody else's actions
had turned me from a citizen
had turned me from a citizen
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nečije tuđe radnje su
me pretvorile iz obične građanke
me pretvorile iz obične građanke
04:24
to a suspect.
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u sumnjivca.
04:27
That same day, we had to drive
across Middle America
across Middle America
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Tog istog dana,
vozili smo se kroz srednju Ameriku,
vozili smo se kroz srednju Ameriku,
04:31
to move to a new city
to start grad school.
to start grad school.
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selili u drugi grad zbog početka studija.
04:36
And I remember sitting
in the passenger seat
in the passenger seat
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Sjećam se da sam
sjedila na suvozačkom sjedalu,
sjedila na suvozačkom sjedalu,
04:39
as we drove in silence,
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dok smo se vozili u tišini
04:41
crouched as low as I could go in my seat,
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i spustila sam se jako
nisko da me nitko ne vidi,
nisko da me nitko ne vidi,
04:44
for the first time in my life,
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
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jer sam se po prvi put u životu
bojala da drugi znaju da sam muslimanka.
bojala da drugi znaju da sam muslimanka.
04:50
We moved into our apartment
that night in a new town
that night in a new town
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Preselili smo se u stan
te noći u novom gradu
te noći u novom gradu
04:54
in what felt like
a completely different world.
a completely different world.
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i osjećali smo se
kao da smo u drugom svijetu.
kao da smo u drugom svijetu.
04:57
And then I was hearing
and seeing and reading
and seeing and reading
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Zatim sam čula, vidjela i čitala
05:01
warnings from national
Muslim organizations
Muslim organizations
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upozorenja nacionalnih
organizacija muslimana
organizacija muslimana
05:04
saying things like,
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
"Be alert," "Be aware,"
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koje su govorile da "budemo oprezni."
05:08
"Stay in well-lit areas,"
"Don't congregate."
"Don't congregate."
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"Idite dobro osvjetljenim ulicama,"
"Ne idite u grupama."
"Ne idite u grupama."
05:12
I stayed inside all week.
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Ostala sam u stanu cijeli tjedan.
05:14
And then it was Friday that same week,
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I onda je došao petak,
05:17
the day that Muslims
congregate for worship.
congregate for worship.
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dan kad se muslimani skupljaju na molitvu.
05:22
And again the warnings were,
"Don't go that first Friday,
"Don't go that first Friday,
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Opet su upozoravali
da se ne okupljamo tog petka,
da se ne okupljamo tog petka,
05:26
it could be a target."
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jer bismo mogli biti meta.
05:29
And I was watching the news,
wall-to-wall coverage.
wall-to-wall coverage.
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Gledala sam sve vijesti.
05:32
Emotions were so raw, understandably,
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Razumljivo, emocije su bile jake,
05:35
and I was also hearing
about attacks on Muslims,
about attacks on Muslims,
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i čula sam o napadima na muslimane,
05:38
or people who were perceived
to be Muslim, being pulled out
to be Muslim, being pulled out
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ili ljude koji su izgledali
kao muslimani, koje su izvukli
kao muslimani, koje su izvukli
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and beaten in the street.
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i pretukli na cesti.
05:42
Mosques were actually firebombed.
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Bombardirali su džamije.
05:45
And I thought, we should just stay home.
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I ja sam mislila da
bismo trebali ostati kod kuće.
bismo trebali ostati kod kuće.
05:47
And yet, something didn't feel right.
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Ali ipak, nešto tu nije bilo u redu.
05:51
Because those people
who attacked our country
who attacked our country
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Jer ti ljudi koji su napali našu zemlju,
05:53
attacked our country.
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napali su našu zemlju.
05:58
I get it that people were angry
at the terrorists.
at the terrorists.
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Razumijem da su ljudi ljuti na teroriste.
06:01
Guess what? So was I.
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Pogodite što? I ja sam bila ljuta.
06:04
And so to have to explain yourself
all the time isn't easy.
all the time isn't easy.
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I to što se moram stalno
objašnjavati i ispričavati nije lako.
objašnjavati i ispričavati nije lako.
06:10
I don't mind questions. I love questions.
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Ne smetaju mi pitanja, volim ih.
06:13
It's the accusations that are tough.
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Teška su mi optuživanja.
06:16
Today we hear people actually
saying things like,
saying things like,
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Danas možemo čuti kako ljudi govore
06:20
"There's a problem in this country,
and it's called Muslims.
and it's called Muslims.
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"Imamo problem u ovoj
zemlji, a to su muslimani.
zemlji, a to su muslimani.
06:23
When are we going to get rid of them?"
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Kad ćemo ih se rješiti?"
06:25
So, some people want to ban Muslims
and close down mosques.
and close down mosques.
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Neki ljudi žele izbaciti
muslimane i zatvoriti džamije.
muslimane i zatvoriti džamije.
06:29
They talk about my community
kind of like we're a tumor
kind of like we're a tumor
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Oni govore o nama kao da smo tumor
06:32
in the body of America.
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u tijelu Amerike.
06:33
And the only question is,
are we malignant or benign?
are we malignant or benign?
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I jedino pitanje je,
jesmo li dobroćudni ili zloćudni?
jesmo li dobroćudni ili zloćudni?
06:37
You know, a malignant tumor
you extract altogether,
you extract altogether,
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Znate, zloćudni tumor izvadite cijelog,
06:40
and a benign tumor
you just keep under surveillance.
you just keep under surveillance.
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a dobroćudni samo držite pod nadzorom.
06:47
The choices don't make sense,
because it's the wrong question.
because it's the wrong question.
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Izbori nemaju smisla,
jer je to krivo pitanje.
jer je to krivo pitanje.
06:51
Muslims, like all other Americans,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
aren't a tumor in the body of America,
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Muslimani, kao svi drugi Amerikanci,
nisu tumor u tijelu Amerike,
nisu tumor u tijelu Amerike,
06:55
we're a vital organ.
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mi smo vitalni organ.
06:58
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
06:59
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
07:00
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
07:05
Muslims are inventors and teachers,
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Muslimani su izumitelji i učitelji,
07:08
first responders and Olympic athletes.
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policajci i atletičari.
07:12
Now, is closing down mosques
going to make America safer?
going to make America safer?
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Dakle, hoće li zatvaranje
džamija učiniti Ameriku sigurnijom?
džamija učiniti Ameriku sigurnijom?
07:16
It might free up some parking spots,
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Taj potez može osloboditi neka
parkirna mjesta,
parkirna mjesta,
07:19
but it will not end terrorism.
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ali neće zaustaviti terorizam.
07:22
Going to a mosque regularly
is actually linked
is actually linked
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Čest odlazak u džamiju zapravo je povezan
07:24
to having more tolerant views
of people of other faiths
of people of other faiths
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s otvorenijim pogledima
na ljude drugih vjeroispovijesti
na ljude drugih vjeroispovijesti
07:28
and greater civic engagement.
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i većim građanskim angažmanom.
07:31
And as one police chief
in the Washington, DC area
in the Washington, DC area
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I kao što mi je šef policije
za područje Washington DC-a
za područje Washington DC-a
07:34
recently told me,
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nedavno rekao,
07:36
people don't actually
get radicalized at mosques.
get radicalized at mosques.
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ljudi ne postaju radikalni u džamijama.
07:38
They get radicalized in their basement
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
or bedroom, in front of a computer.
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Postaju radikalni u svojim podrumima,
spavaćim sobama, ispred kompjutera.
spavaćim sobama, ispred kompjutera.
07:44
And what you find
about the radicalization process
about the radicalization process
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I ono što možete saznati o tome
kako ljudi postanu radikalni
kako ljudi postanu radikalni
07:47
is it starts online,
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jest da to počinje na internetu,
07:49
but the first thing that happens
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ali prva stvar koja se događa
07:50
is the person gets cut off
from their community,
from their community,
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jest da se osoba izdvoji iz zajednice,
07:53
from even their family,
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čak i iz svoje obitelji,
07:55
so that the extremist group
can brainwash them
can brainwash them
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kako bi im ekstremisti mogli isprati mozak
07:58
into believing that they,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
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i učiniti da povjeruju da su oni,
teroristi, istinski muslimani,
teroristi, istinski muslimani,
08:02
and everyone else who abhors
their behavior and ideology
their behavior and ideology
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a svi drugi koji mrze
njihovo ponašanje i ideologiju,
njihovo ponašanje i ideologiju,
08:06
are sellouts or apostates.
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oni su izdajnici ili otpadnici.
08:09
So if we want to prevent radicalization,
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Zato, ako želimo sprječiti radikalizaciju,
08:11
we have to keep people
going to the mosque.
going to the mosque.
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moramo poticati
ljude da nastave ići u džamije.
ljude da nastave ići u džamije.
08:16
Now, some will still argue
Islam is a violent religion.
Islam is a violent religion.
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Neki još govore da je
islam religija puna nasilja.
islam religija puna nasilja.
08:20
After all, a group like ISIS
bases its brutality on the Quran.
bases its brutality on the Quran.
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Ipak, ISIL temelji svoju
brutalnost na Kuranu.
brutalnost na Kuranu.
08:26
Now, as a Muslim, as a mother,
as a human being,
as a human being,
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Ja, kao muslimanka, majka, ljudsko biće,
08:29
I think we need to do everything we can
to stop a group like ISIS.
to stop a group like ISIS.
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mislim da trebamo učitini sve što
možemo kako bismo zaustavili ISIL.
možemo kako bismo zaustavili ISIL.
08:35
But we would be giving in
to their narrative
to their narrative
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Ali mi bismo bili prevareni
08:40
if we cast them as representatives
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
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kad bismo ih gledali kao
predstavnike vjere 1.6 milijardi ljudi.
predstavnike vjere 1.6 milijardi ljudi.
08:46
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:49
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
08:53
ISIS has as much to do with Islam
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ISIL ima veze s islamom
08:57
as the Ku Klux Klan has to do
with Christianity.
with Christianity.
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kao što Ku Klux Klan
ima veze s kršćanstvom.
ima veze s kršćanstvom.
09:00
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
09:06
Both groups claim to base
their ideology on their holy book.
their ideology on their holy book.
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Obje grupe tvrde da svoju
ideologiju temelje na svetoj knjizi.
ideologiju temelje na svetoj knjizi.
09:12
But when you look at them,
they're not motivated
they're not motivated
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Ali kad vidite što čine,
oni nisu motivirani
oni nisu motivirani
09:15
by what they read in their holy book.
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onime što čitaju u svojoj svetoj knjizi.
09:17
It's their brutality that makes them
read these things into the scripture.
read these things into the scripture.
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Njihova brutalnost ih tjera
da čitaju te dijelove knjiga.
da čitaju te dijelove knjiga.
09:24
Recently, a prominent imam
told me a story that really took me aback.
told me a story that really took me aback.
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Nedavno mi je poznati imam
ispričao priču koja me iznenadila.
ispričao priču koja me iznenadila.
09:27
He said that a girl came to him
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Rekao je da mu je prišla djevojka
09:29
because she was thinking
of going to join ISIS.
of going to join ISIS.
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jer je razmišljala o
tome da se pridruži ISILu.
tome da se pridruži ISILu.
09:32
And I was really surprised and asked him,
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Bila sam iznenađena i pitala sam ga
09:34
had she been in contact
with a radical religious leader?
with a radical religious leader?
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je li ona bila u kontaktu s
nekim radikalnim religijskim vođom.
nekim radikalnim religijskim vođom.
09:37
And he said the problem
was quite the opposite,
was quite the opposite,
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On je rekao da je problem
upravo suprotan tome
upravo suprotan tome
09:40
that every cleric that she had
talked to had shut her down
talked to had shut her down
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i da ju je svaki svećenik s kojim
je razgovarala pokušao odgovoriti
je razgovarala pokušao odgovoriti
09:43
and said that her rage,
her sense of injustice in the world,
her sense of injustice in the world,
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i rekao joj da će ju njen bijes
i osjećaj nepravednosti u svijetu
i osjećaj nepravednosti u svijetu
09:47
was just going to get her in trouble.
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samo dovesti u nevolju.
09:49
And so with nowhere to channel
and make sense of this anger,
and make sense of this anger,
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Nije znala kanalizirati taj svoj bijes
09:53
she was a prime target to be exploited
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i bila je odlična meta da ju iskoriste
09:55
by extremists promising her a solution.
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ekstremisti i ponude joj rješenje.
09:58
What this imam did was to connect her
back to God and to her community.
back to God and to her community.
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Taj imam ju je ponovno
povezao s Bogom i zajednicom.
povezao s Bogom i zajednicom.
10:03
He didn't shame her for her rage --
instead, he gave her constructive ways
instead, he gave her constructive ways
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Nije ju posramio jer je bila ljuta,
već joj je pokazao konstruktivne načine
već joj je pokazao konstruktivne načine
10:08
to make real change in the world.
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da pokrene prave promjene u svijetu.
10:10
What she learned at that mosque
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
prevented her from going to join ISIS.
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Ono što je naučila u toj džamiji
sprječilo ju je da se pridruži ISILu.
sprječilo ju je da se pridruži ISILu.
10:16
I've told you a little bit
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Pričala sam vam malo
10:18
about how Islamophobia
affects me and my family.
affects me and my family.
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o tome kako islamofobija
utječe na mene i moju obitelj.
utječe na mene i moju obitelj.
10:21
But how does it impact ordinary Americans?
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Ali kako utječe na Amerikance?
10:23
How does it impact everyone else?
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Kako utječe na sve ostale?
10:25
How does consuming fear 24 hours a day
affect the health of our democracy,
affect the health of our democracy,
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Kako konstantni strah utječe
na zdravlje naše demokracije,
na zdravlje naše demokracije,
10:31
the health of our free thought?
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zdravlje slobodnog mišljenja?
10:33
Well, one study -- actually,
several studies in neuroscience --
several studies in neuroscience --
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Nekoliko istraživanja u neuroznanosti
10:37
show that when we're afraid,
at least three things happen.
at least three things happen.
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pokazuju da se najmanje
3 stvari događaju dok se bojimo.
3 stvari događaju dok se bojimo.
10:41
We become more accepting
of authoritarianism,
of authoritarianism,
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Lakše prihvaćamo autoritet,
10:46
conformity and prejudice.
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konformizam i predrasude.
10:49
One study showed that when subjects
were exposed to news stories
were exposed to news stories
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Jedno istraživanje je pokazalo
da ljudi koji su izloženi vijestima
da ljudi koji su izloženi vijestima
10:55
that were negative about Muslims,
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koje govore negativno o muslimanima
10:58
they became more accepting
of military attacks on Muslim countries
of military attacks on Muslim countries
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lakše prihvaćaju vojne
napade na muslimanske zemlje
napade na muslimanske zemlje
11:02
and policies that curtail the rights
of American Muslims.
of American Muslims.
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i zakone koji ograničavaju
prava američkih muslimana.
prava američkih muslimana.
11:06
Now, this isn't just academic.
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Sada, to nije samo akademsko.
11:08
When you look at when
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
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Kada pogledate kada je anti-muslimanski
sentiment bio na vrhu
sentiment bio na vrhu
11:13
between 2001 and 2013,
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između 2001. i 2013. godine,
11:17
it happened three times,
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dogodilo se tri puta,
11:18
but it wasn't around terrorist attacks.
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ali to nije bilo oko terorističkih napada.
11:21
It was in the run up to the Iraq War
and during two election cycles.
and during two election cycles.
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Bilo je to u kulminaciji do rata u Iraku
i tijekom dva izborna ciklusa.
i tijekom dva izborna ciklusa.
11:26
So Islamophobia isn't just
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
the natural response to Muslim terrorism
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Dakle islamofobija nije samo
prirodni odgovor na muslimanski terorizam
prirodni odgovor na muslimanski terorizam
11:30
as I would have expected.
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kao što sam očekivala.
11:33
It can actually be a tool
of public manipulation,
of public manipulation,
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To zapravo može biti alat
javne manipulacije,
javne manipulacije,
11:37
eroding the very foundation
of a free society,
of a free society,
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nagrizajući same temelje
slobodnog društva,
slobodnog društva,
11:41
which is rational
and well-informed citizens.
and well-informed citizens.
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koje predstavljaju racionalni
i dobro informirani građani.
i dobro informirani građani.
11:46
Muslims are like canaries
in the coal mine.
in the coal mine.
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Muslimani su kao kanarinci
u rudniku ugljena.
u rudniku ugljena.
11:49
We might be the first to feel it,
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Možemo biti prvi koji će to osjetiti,
11:51
but the toxic air of fear
is harming us all.
is harming us all.
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ali toksični zrak straha
šteti nama svima.
šteti nama svima.
11:56
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
12:03
And assigning collective guilt
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A dodjela kolektivne krivnje
12:06
isn't just about having
to explain yourself all the time.
to explain yourself all the time.
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nije samo objašnjavati
svoje postupke cijelo vrijeme.
svoje postupke cijelo vrijeme.
12:09
Deah and his wife Yusor
were a young married couple
were a young married couple
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Deah i njegova supruga Yusor
bili su mladi bračni par
bili su mladi bračni par
12:13
living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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koji su živjeli u Chapel Hillu,
u Sjevernoj Karolini,
u Sjevernoj Karolini,
12:15
where they both went to school.
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gdje su oboje išli u školu.
12:17
Deah was an athlete.
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Deah je bio sportaš.
12:20
He was in dental school,
talented, promising ...
talented, promising ...
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Bio je na stomatološkom fakultetu,
talentiran, perspektivan ...
talentiran, perspektivan ...
12:24
And his sister would tell me
that he was the sweetest,
that he was the sweetest,
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I njegova sestra bi mi rekla kako je on
bio najslađe,
bio najslađe,
12:28
most generous human being she knew.
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najizdašnije ljudsko biće koje je znala.
12:30
She was visiting him there
and he showed her his resume,
and he showed her his resume,
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Ona mu je došla tamo u posjetu
a on joj je pokazao svoj životopis,
a on joj je pokazao svoj životopis,
12:34
and she was amazed.
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i bila je izvan sebe.
12:35
She said, "When did my baby brother
become such an accomplished young man?"
become such an accomplished young man?"
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Rekla je: "Kada je moj mali brat
postao takav vrstan mladić? "
postao takav vrstan mladić? "
12:41
Just a few weeks after Suzanne's visit
to her brother and his new wife,
to her brother and his new wife,
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Samo nekoliko tjedana nakon što je
Suzanne posjetila svog brata i
njegovu novu suprugu,
Suzanne posjetila svog brata i
njegovu novu suprugu,
12:46
their neighbor,
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njihov susjed,
12:48
Craig Stephen Hicks,
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Craig Stephen Hicks,
12:50
murdered them,
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ih je ubio,
12:52
as well as Yusor's sister, Razan,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
who was visiting for the afternoon,
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kao i Yusorinu sestru, Razan,
koja je bila u posjeti to popodne,
koja je bila u posjeti to popodne,
12:57
in their apartment,
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u njihovom stanu,
12:59
execution style,
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u stilu smaknuća,
13:01
after posting anti-Muslim statements
on his Facebook page.
on his Facebook page.
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nakon objavljivanja anti-muslimanske
izjave na svojoj Facebook stranici.
izjave na svojoj Facebook stranici.
13:06
He shot Deah eight times.
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Upucao je Deaha osam puta.
13:09
So bigotry isn't just immoral,
it can even be lethal.
it can even be lethal.
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Dakle fanatizam nije samo nemoralan,
može čak i biti smrtonosan.
može čak i biti smrtonosan.
13:14
So, back to my story.
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Dakle, natrag na moju priču.
13:15
What happened after 9/11?
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Što se dogodilo nakon 9/11?
13:17
Did we go to the mosque
or did we play it safe and stay home?
or did we play it safe and stay home?
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Hoćemo li ići u džamiju ili ćemo igrati
na sigurno i ostati kod kuće?
na sigurno i ostati kod kuće?
13:21
Well, we talked it over,
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Dakle, porazgovarali smo o tome,
13:23
and it might seem like
a small decision, but to us,
a small decision, but to us,
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i to se može činiti kao
mala odluka, ali za nas,
mala odluka, ali za nas,
13:26
it was about what kind of America
we wanted to leave for our kids:
we wanted to leave for our kids:
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bilo je o tome kakvu Ameriku
smo htjeli ostaviti našoj djeci:
smo htjeli ostaviti našoj djeci:
13:29
one that would control us by fear
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onu koja će nas kontrolirati putem straha
13:33
or one where we were practicing
our religion freely.
our religion freely.
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ili onu gdje ćemo slobodno prakticirati
našu vjeru.
našu vjeru.
13:36
So we decided to go to the mosque.
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Tako da smo odlučili ići u džamiju.
13:39
And we put my son in his car seat,
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I stavili smo mog sina u njegovu
sjedalicu,
sjedalicu,
13:41
buckled him in, and we drove silently,
intensely, to the mosque.
intensely, to the mosque.
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zakopčali pojas i odvezli smo se u tišini,
intenzivno, u džamiju.
intenzivno, u džamiju.
13:45
I took him out, I took off my shoes,
I walked into the prayer hall
I walked into the prayer hall
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Uzela sam ga van, skinula sam cipele,
ušla sam u molitvenu dvoranu
ušla sam u molitvenu dvoranu
13:50
and what I saw made me stop.
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i ono što sam vidjela me
prisililo da se zaustavim.
prisililo da se zaustavim.
13:53
The place was completely full.
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Dvorana je bila potpuno puna.
13:55
And then the imam made an announcement,
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I onda je imam napravio najavu,
13:57
thanking and welcoming our guests,
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zahvalio i poželio dobrodošlicu
našim gostima,
našim gostima,
14:02
because half the congregation
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jer pola zajednice
14:05
were Christians, Jews,
Buddhists, atheists,
Buddhists, atheists,
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su bili Kršćani, Židovi,
Budisti, ateisti,
Budisti, ateisti,
14:08
people of faith and no faith,
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ljudi vjere i bez vjere,
14:11
who had come not to attack us,
but to stand in solidarity with us.
but to stand in solidarity with us.
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koji nisu došli da nas napadnu,
već da stoje u solidarnosti s nama.
već da stoje u solidarnosti s nama.
14:16
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
14:25
I just break down at this time.
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Tada sam se jednostavno slomila.
14:28
These people were there because they chose
courage and compassion
courage and compassion
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Ti ljudi su bili tamo jer su izabrali
hrabrost i suosjećanje
hrabrost i suosjećanje
14:33
over panic and prejudice.
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umjesto panike i predrasuda.
14:36
What will you choose?
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Što ćete vi odabrati?
14:39
What will you choose
at this time of fear and bigotry?
at this time of fear and bigotry?
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Što ćete vi odabrati
u ovom trenutku straha i predrasuda?
u ovom trenutku straha i predrasuda?
14:45
Will you play it safe?
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Hoćete li igrati na sigurno?
14:47
Or will you join those who say
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Ili ćete se pridružiti onima koji kažu
14:50
we are better than that?
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mi smo bolji od toga?
14:52
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
14:53
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
15:07
Thank you so much.
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Hvala vam puno.
15:12
Helen Walters: So Dalia,
you seem to have struck a chord.
you seem to have struck a chord.
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Helen Walters: Dakle Dalia,
čini se da si pogodila u žicu.
čini se da si pogodila u žicu.
15:16
But I wonder,
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Ali, pitam se,
15:18
what would you say to those
who might argue
who might argue
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što bi rekla onima
koji bi mogli tvrditi
koji bi mogli tvrditi
15:20
that you're giving a TED Talk,
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da držiš govor na TED-u,
15:22
you're clearly a deep thinker,
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da so dubokoumna osoba,
15:24
you work at a fancy think tank,
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da radiš u otmjenom think-tanku,
15:26
you're an exception, you're not the rule.
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da si iznimka, a ne pravilo.
15:28
What would you say to those people?
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Što bi rekla tim ljudima?
15:30
Dalia Mogahed: I would say,
don't let this stage distract you,
don't let this stage distract you,
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Dalia Mogahed: Ja bih rekla, ne
dopustite ovoj pozornici da vas odvrati,
dopustite ovoj pozornici da vas odvrati,
15:33
I'm completely ordinary.
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ja sam potpuno normalna.
15:35
I'm not an exception.
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Ja nisam iznimka.
15:37
My story is not unusual.
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Moja priča nije neobična.
15:39
I am as ordinary as they come.
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Ja sam kao običan da običnija
ne mogu biti.
ne mogu biti.
15:42
When you look at Muslims
around the world --
around the world --
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Kada pogledate muslimane
diljem svijeta --
diljem svijeta --
15:46
and I've done this, I've done
the largest study ever done
the largest study ever done
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i ja sam to napravila, napravila sam
najveće istraživanje ikada učinjeno
najveće istraživanje ikada učinjeno
15:49
on Muslims around the world --
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nad muslimanima diljem svijeta --
15:51
people want ordinary things.
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ljudi žele obične stvari.
15:52
They want prosperity for their family,
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Oni žele prosperitet za svoje obitelji,
15:54
they want jobs
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oni žele radna mjesta
15:55
and they want to live in peace.
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i oni žele živjeti u miru.
15:57
So I am not in any way an exception.
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Tako da ja nisam ni u kojem smislu,
iznimka.
iznimka.
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When you meet people who seem
like an exception to the rule,
like an exception to the rule,
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Kada susretne ljude koji se čine
kao iznimka od pravila,
kao iznimka od pravila,
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oftentimes it's that the rule is broken,
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često je to pravilo slomljeno,
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not that they're an exception to it.
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a ne da su oni iznimka tog pravila.
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HW: Thank you so much.
Dalia Mogahed.
Dalia Mogahed.
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HW: Hvala ti puno. Dalia Mogahed.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dalia Mogahed - Muslim studies scholarResearcher and pollster Dalia Mogahed is an author, advisor and consultant who studies Muslim communities.
Why you should listen
As director of research at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, Dalia Mogahed keeps her finger on the pulse of the Muslim world. She served on Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships in 2009, advising the president on how faith-based organizations can help government solve persistent social problems.
Mogahed is a former director of the Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, where her surveys of Muslim opinion skewered myths and stereotypes while illuminating the varied attitudes of Muslims toward politics, religion, and gender issues. Her 2008 book with John Esposito, Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, outlines these surprising findings.
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