ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ian Dunbar - Animal behaviorist
Veterinarian, dog trainer and animal behaviorist Ian Dunbar understands our pets' point of view. By training dog owners in proper conduct (as much as he trains the dogs themselves), he hopes to encourage better relationships with dogs -- not to mention their friends and children, too.

Why you should listen

We may call dogs man's best friend, but according to Dr. Ian Dunbar, humans often fail to reciprocate. Dunbar's decades of research on hierarchical social behavior and aggression in domestic animals truly give him a dog's-eye view of human beings' incomprehensible and spontaneous -- if involuntary -- cruelties.

Dunbar says we might break our unseemly, unflattering habits and usher in an "era of dog-friendly dog training" by coming to understand why dogs do what they do -- Is Fido misbehaving, or just being a dog? -- and the repercussions of our actions toward them. (We might foster better relationships with our fellow humans, too.) His Sirius Dog Training company focuses on training puppies to be playful, yet well-behaved. His second organization, Animalin, promotes games for dogs and puppies at an international level. 

Dunbar has written numerous books, including How to Teach a New Dog Old Tricks and The Good Little Dog Book. He has also hosted several award-winning videotapes on puppy and dog training.

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EG 2007

Ian Dunbar: Dog-friendly dog training

Ian Dunbar o prijateljskom dresiranju pasa

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Govoreći na EG konferenciji 2007., Ian Dunbar od nas traži da vidimo svijet kroz oči našeg voljenog psa. Spoznajući perspektivu našeg ljubimca, možemo izgraditi njihovu ljubav i povjerenje. To je poruka koja odjekuje dobrano van životinjskog svijeta.
- Animal behaviorist
Veterinarian, dog trainer and animal behaviorist Ian Dunbar understands our pets' point of view. By training dog owners in proper conduct (as much as he trains the dogs themselves), he hopes to encourage better relationships with dogs -- not to mention their friends and children, too. Full bio

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DogsPsi have interestsinteresi.
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Psi imaju interese.
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They have interestinteres sniffingnjuškanje eachsvaki other, chasingjurnjava squirrelsvjeverice.
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Interesira ih međusobno njuškanje, lov na vjeverice.
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And if we don't make that a rewardnagrada in trainingtrening, that will be a distractionodvlačenje pažnje.
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I ako to ne pretvorimo u nagradu u dresuri, onda će to odvlačiti pažnju.
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It's always sortvrsta of struckpogođen me as really a scaryplašljiv thought
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Uvijek sam smatrao da je pomalo strašno
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that if you see a dogpas in a parkpark, and the ownervlasnik is callingzvanje it,
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ako vidite psa u parku, i vlasnik ga zove,
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and the ownervlasnik sayskaže, you know, "PuppyŠtene, come here, come here,"
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i, znate, vlasnik govori: "Dođi amo, mali, dođi amo",
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and the dogpas thinksmisli, "HmmHmm, interestingzanimljiv.
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i pas misli: "Hm, zanimljivo.
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I'm sniffingnjuškanje this other dog'spas je rearstražnji endkraj, the owner'svlasnika callingzvanje."
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Njuškam stražnjicu drugog psa, vlasnik zove."
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It's a difficulttežak choiceizbor, right?
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Težak izbor, zar ne?
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RearStražnji endkraj, ownervlasnik. RearStražnji endkraj winspobjeda.
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Stražnjica, vlasnik. Stražnjica pobjeđuje.
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I mean, you loseizgubiti.
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Mislim, vi gubite.
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You cannotNe možete competekonkurirati with the environmentokolina,
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Ne možete se natjecati s okolišem,
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if you have an adolescentadolescenata dog'spas je brainmozak.
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ako imate mozak psa adolescenta.
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So, when we trainvlak, we're always tryingtežak to take into accountračun
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Tako, kad dresiramo, uvijek pokušavamo uzeti u obzir
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the dog'spas je pointtočka of viewpogled.
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pseći pogled na stvari.
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Now, I'm here largelyu velikoj mjeri because
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Sad, tu sam uglavnom zato
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there's kindljubazan of a riftpuknuti in dogpas trainingtrening at the momenttrenutak
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što postoji vrsta rascjepa u dresuri
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that -- on one sidestrana, we have people who think that you trainvlak a dogpas,
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koja - s jedne strane su ljudi koji misle da dresirate psa,
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numberbroj one, by makingizrađivanje up rulespravila, humanljudski rulespravila.
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pod broj jedan, stvarajući pravila, ljudska pravila.
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We don't take the dog'spas je pointtočka of viewpogled into accountračun.
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Ne uzimamo pseći pogled na stvari u obzir.
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So the humanljudski sayskaže, "You're going to actčin this way, damnproklet it.
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Pa onda ljudi kažu: "Ponašat ćeš se ovako, kvragu.
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We're going to forcesila you to actčin againstprotiv your will, to bendzavoj to our will."
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Natjerat ćemo te da se pokoriš našoj volji, protiv svoje volje."
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Then, numberbroj two, we keep these rulespravila a secrettajna from the dogpas.
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Onda, broj dva, ova pravila tajimo pred psom.
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And then numberbroj threetri, now we can punishkazniti the dogpas
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I broj tri, sad možemo kazniti psa
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for breakinglom rulespravila he didn't even know existedpostojala.
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što krši pravila za koja nije ni znao da postoje.
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So you get a little puppyštene, he comesdolazi. His only crimekriminal is he grewrastao.
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Tako imate štene, evo ga. Jedini zločin mu je što je narastao.
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When he was a little puppyštene, he putsstavlja his pawsšape on your legnoga --
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Kad je bio maleno štene, stavio bi šapu na vašu nogu -
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you know, isn't that nicelijepo?
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znate, zar to nije lijepo?
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And you go, "Oh, there's a good boydječak."
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A vi biste rekli: "Ooo, dobar dečko."
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You bendzavoj down, you patpogladiti him -- you rewardnagrada him for jumpingskakanje up.
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Sagnuli biste se, potapšali ga - nagradili ga što skače.
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His one mistakepogreška is he's a TibetanTibetanski mastiffmastif, and a fewnekoliko monthsmjeseci laterkasnije,
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Njegova jedina pogreška je to što je tibetanski mastif, i par mjeseci kasnije,
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he weighsteži, you know, 80 poundsfunti.
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težak je, znate, 40 kg.
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EverySvaki time he jumpsskokovi up, he getsdobiva all sortsvrste of abusezlostavljanje.
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Svaki put kad skoči, zlostavlja ga se na sve načine.
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I mean, it is really very, very scaryplašljiv the abusezlostavljanje that dogspsi get.
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Mislim, to zlostavljanje je zaista vrlo, vrlo strašno.
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So, this wholečitav dominancedominacija issueizdanje -- numberbroj one,
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Tako, cijeli ovaj problem dominacije - pod broj jedan,
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what we get in dogpas trainingtrening is this Mickey-MouseMickey Mouse interpretationtumačenje
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ono što u dresuri dobijemo je Mickey-Mouse-interpretacija
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of a very complicatedsložen socialsocijalni systemsistem.
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veoma složenog društvenog sustava.
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And they take this stuffstvari seriouslyozbiljno.
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I oni to ozbiljno shvaćaju.
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MaleMuški dogspsi are very seriousozbiljan about a hierarchyhijerarhija,
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Mužjaci su jako ozbiljni u vezi hijerarhije,
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because it preventssprječava physicalfizička fightsborbe.
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zato što to sprečava fizičke borbe.
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Of coursenaravno, femaležena dogspsi, bitcheskuje, on the other handruka,
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Naravno, ženke, kuje, s druge strane,
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have severalnekoliko bitchkučka amendmentsizmjene i dopune to malemuški hierarchicalhijerarhijski rulepravilo.
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imaju nekoliko ženskih dodataka pravilu muške hijerarhije.
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The numberbroj one is, "I have it, you don't."
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Prvo je: "Ja to imam, ti ne."
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And what you will find is a very, very low-rankingnižeg ranga bitchkučka
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I ono što vidite je da će jako nisko pozicionirana kuja
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will quitedosta easilylako keep a bonekost away from a high-rankingVisoki malemuški.
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prilično lako zadržati kost od visoko rangiranog mužjaka.
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So, we get in dogpas trainingtrening this notionpojam of dominancesdominances,
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Tako, u dresuri imamo ovaj vid dominacije,
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or of the alphaalfa dogpas. I'm sure that you've heardčuo this.
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ili alfa psa. Siguran sam da ste čuli za to.
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DogsPsi get so abusedzlostavljana.
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Pse se često zlostavlja.
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DogsPsi, horseskonji and humansljudi --
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Psi, konji i ljudi -
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these are the threetri speciesvrsta whichkoji are so abusedzlostavljana in life.
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ovo su tri vrste koje se u životu mnogo zlostavlja.
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And the reasonrazlog is builtizgrađen into theirnjihov behaviorponašanje --
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A razlog je ugrađen u njihovo ponašanje -
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is to always come back and apologizeispričavati.
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da se uvijek vrate i ispričaju.
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Like, "Oh, I'm sorry you had to beatpobijediti me. I'm really sorry, yes, it's my faultgreška."
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Kao: "O, žao mi je što si me morao pretući. Stvarno mi je jako žao, da, ja sam kriv."
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They are just so beatableslabim,
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Jednostavno se daju tako lako istući,
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and that's why they get beatentučen.
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i zbog toga i budu pretučeni.
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The poorsiromašan puppyštene jumpsskokovi up, you openotvoren the dogpas bookrezervirati, what does it say?
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Jadno štene skoči, vi otvorite knjigu za pse, što kaže?
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"HoldDržite his frontispred pawsšape, squeezeiscijediti his frontispred pawsšape,
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"Držite mu prednje šape, stisnite ih,
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stamppečat on his hindstražnjih feetnoge, squirtmlaz vode him in the facelice with lemonlimun juicesok,
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ugazite ga po stražnjim nogama, štrcajte mu sok limuna u lice,
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hithit him on the headglava with a rolled-upkumulativni newspapernovine,
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udarite ga po glavi smotanim novinama,
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kneekoljeno him in the chestgrudi, flipdrzak him over backwardsunazad."
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udarite ga koljenom u prsa, prevrnite ga na leđa."
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Because he grewrastao?
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Zato što je narastao?
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And because he's performingobavljanje a behaviorponašanje you've trainedobučen him to do?
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I zato što ponavlja ono što ste ga naučili da čini?
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This is insanityludilo.
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To je ludost.
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I askpitati ownersvlasnici, "Well, how would you like the dogpas to greetPozdravljam you?"
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Pitam vlasnike: "Pa, kako biste htjeli da vas pas pozdravi?"
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And people say, "Well, I don't know, to sitsjediti, I guessnagađati."
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I ljudi kažu: "Pa, ne znam, neka sjedne, valjda."
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I said, "Let's teachučiti him to sitsjediti."
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Kažem: "Naučimo ga neka sjedne."
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And then we give him a reasonrazlog for sittingsjedenje.
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I onda mu damo razlog da sjedi.
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Because the first stagefaza
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Zato što je prvi stupanj
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is basicallyu osnovi teachingnastava a dogpas ESLESL.
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u osnovi učenje psa engleskog kao drugog jezika.
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I could speakgovoriti to you and say, "Laytay-chaiLaytay-chai, paiseypaisey, paiseypaisey."
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Mogao bih vam reći: "Laytay-chai, paisey, paisey."
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Go on, something should happendogoditi se now.
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Hajmo, nešto bi se sad trebalo dogoditi.
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Why aren'tnisu you respondingreagirati? Oh, you don't speakgovoriti Swahilisvahili.
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Zašto ne odgovarate? Aha, ne govorite Svahili.
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Well, I've got newsvijesti for you.
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Pa, imam vijesti za vas.
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The dogpas doesn't speakgovoriti Englishengleski, or AmericanAmerički, or Spanishšpanjolski, or Frenchfrancuski.
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Pas ne govori engleski, američki, španjolski, francuski.
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So the first stagefaza in trainingtrening is to teachučiti the dogpas ESLESL,
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Tako da je prvi stupanj u dresuri učenje psa engleskoga kao drugog jezika.
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Englishengleski as a seconddrugi languagejezik.
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Engleski kao drugi jezik.
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And that's how we use the foodhrana luremamac in the handruka,
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I tako koristimo hranu kao mamac u ruci,
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and we use foodhrana because we're dealingbavljenje with ownersvlasnici.
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i koristimo hranu zato što radimo s vlasnicima.
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My wifežena doesn't need foodhrana -- she's a great trainertrener,
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Moja žena ne treba hranu, ona je odličan dreser,
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much better than I am.
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mnogo bolja od mene.
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I don't need foodhrana, but the averageprosječan ownervlasnik sayskaže,
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Ja ne trebam hranu, ali običan vlasnik kaže:
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"PuppyŠtene, sitsjediti."
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"Štene, sjedni."
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Or they go, "SitSjediti, sitsjediti, sitsjediti."
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Ili ovako: "Sjedni, sjedni, sjedni."
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They're makingizrađivanje a handruka signalsignal in frontispred of the dog'spas je rectumrektuma for some reasonrazlog,
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Rukom prave signal ispred psećeg rektuma zbog nekog razloga,
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like the dogpas has a thirdtreći eyeoko there -- it's insanelud.
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kao da pas tamo ima treće oko - to je suludo.
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You know, "SitSjediti, sitsjediti."
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Znate: "Sjedni, sjedni."
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No, we go, "PuppyŠtene, sitsjediti" -- boomuspon, it's got it in sixšest to 10 trialsispitivanja.
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Sad, mi radimo ovako: "Štene, sjedni," - i bum, uspije u 6 od 10 pokušaja.
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Then we phasefaza out the foodhrana as a luremamac,
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Onda uklonimo hranu kao mamac,
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and now the dogpas knowszna that "sitsjediti" meanssredstva sitsjediti,
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i sad pas zna da "sjedni" znači sjedni,
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and you can actuallyzapravo communicatekomunicirati to a dogpas
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i stvarno možete komunicirati sa psom
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in a perfectlysavršeno constructedkonstruiran Englishengleski sentencekazna.
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u savršeno složenoj engleskoj rečenici.
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"PhoenixPhoenix, come here, take this, and go to JamieJamie, please."
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"Phoenix, dođi, uzmi ovo, idi Jamieju, molim te."
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And I've taughtučio her "PhoenixPhoenix," "come here," "take this," "go to"
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I naučio sam je "Phoenix", "dođi", "uzmi ovo", "idi",
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and the nameime of my sonsin, "JamieJamie."
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i ime svog sina, "Jamie."
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And the dogpas can take a noteBilješka,
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I pas može uzeti poruku,
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and I've got my ownvlastiti little search-and-rescuepretraživanje i spašavanje dogpas.
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i imam svog vlastitog psa tragača-spasitelja.
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He'llOn će find JamieJamie wherevergdje god he is, you know,
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Naći će Jamieja gdje god bio, znate,
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wherevergdje god kidsdjeca are, crushingdrobljenje rocksstijene by a streampotok or something,
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gdje god djeca bila, lomeći stijene na potoku ili nešto,
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and take him a little messageporuka that sayskaže,
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i odnijeti mu malu poruku u kojoj stoji:
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"Hey, dinner'sVečera je readyspreman. Come in for dinnervečera."
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"Hej, večera je spremna. Dođi jesti."
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So, at this pointtočka, the dogpas knowszna what we want it to do.
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Tako, na ovom stupnju, pas zna što želimo da radi.
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Will it do it?
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Hoće li to napraviti?
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Not necessarilyobavezno, no.
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Ne nužno, ne.
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As I said, if he's in the parkpark and there's a rearstražnji endkraj to sniffnjuškanje,
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Kao što sam rekao, ako je u parku i može ponjuškati neku stražnjicu,
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why come to the ownervlasnik?
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zašto bi došao vlasniku?
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The dogpas livesživot with you, the dogpas can get you any time.
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Pas živi s vama, može do vas bilo kad.
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The dogpas can sniffnjuškanje your buttguza, if you like, when he wants to.
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Pas može ponjušiti vašu guzu, ako to želite, kad god on želi.
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At the momenttrenutak, he's in the parkpark, and you are competingnatječu
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U ovom trenu, u parku je, i natječete se
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with smellsmiriše, and other dogspsi, and squirrelsvjeverice.
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s mirisima, drugim psima, i vjevericama.
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So the seconddrugi stagefaza in trainingtrening is to teachučiti the dogpas to want to do
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Tako da je drugi stupanj u dresuri naučiti psa da želi
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what we want him to do, and this is very easylako.
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ono što mi želimo da napravi, a to je veoma lako.
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We use the PremackPremack principlenačelo.
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Koristimo Premackovo načelo.
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BasicallyU osnovi, we followslijediti a low-frequencyniske frekvencije behaviorponašanje --
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U osnovi, pratimo ponašanje niske frekvencije -
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one the dogpas doesn't want to do --
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ono koje pas ne želi činiti -
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by a high-frequencyvisoke frekvencije behaviorponašanje, commonlyobično knownznan as a behaviorponašanje problemproblem,
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ponašanjem visoke frekvencije, opće poznate kao problem u ponašanju,
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or a dogpas hobbyhobi -- something the dogpas does like to do.
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ili pseći hobi - nešto što pas voli činiti.
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That will then becomepostati a rewardnagrada for the lower-frequencynižih frekvencija behaviorponašanje.
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To će onda postati nagrada za ponašanje niske frekvencije.
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So we go, "sitsjediti," on the couchkauč; "sitsjediti," tummy-rubtrbuh-trljati; "sitsjediti,"
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Tako idemo, "sjedni" na kauč; "sjedni", češkanje trbuha; "sjedni",
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look, I throwbacanje a tennistenis balllopta; "sitsjediti," say hellozdravo to that other dogpas.
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gledaj, bacam tenisku lopticu; "sjedni", pozdravi onog drugog psa.
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Yes, we put "sniffnjuškanje buttguza" on queuered.
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Da, na red dođe i "njuškanje guze".
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"SitSjediti," sniffnjuškanje buttguza.
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"Sjedni", njuškanje guze.
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So now all of these distractionsometanja that workedradio againstprotiv trainingtrening
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Tako sad sve što je odvlačilo pažnju od dresure
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now becomepostati rewardsnagrade that work for trainingtrening.
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postaje nagrada koja radi za dresuru.
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And what we're doing, in essencesuština, is we're teachingnastava the dogpas, kindljubazan of like --
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I ono što činimo, u biti je da psa učimo, nekako -
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we're lettingiznajmljivanje the dogpas think that the dogpas is trainingtrening us.
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puštamo psa da misli da on dresira nas.
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And I can imaginezamisliti this dogpas, you know,
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Mogu zamisliti tog psa, znate,
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speakinggovor throughkroz the fenceograda to, say, an AkitaAkita,
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kako govori kroz ogradu, recimo, Akiti,
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sayingizreka, "WowSjajna osoba, my ownersvlasnici, they are so incrediblynevjerojatno easylako to trainvlak.
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govori: "Opa, moje vlasnike je nevjerojatno lako izdresirati.
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They're like GoldenZlatni RetrieversRetriveri.
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Kao da su zlatni retriveri.
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All I have to do is sitsjediti, and they do everything.
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Sve što moram je sjesti, i napravit će bilo što.
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They openotvoren doorsvrata, they drivepogon my carautomobil, they massagemasaža me,
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Otvaraju vrata, voze moj auto, masiraju me,
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they will throwbacanje tennistenis ballsjaja,
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bacaju mi tenisku lopticu,
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they will cookkuhati for me and serveposlužiti the foodhrana.
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kuhaju mi i serviraju hranu.
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It's like, if I just sitsjediti, that's my commandnaredba.
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Kao da, ako samo sjednem, to je moja zapovijed.
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Then I have my ownvlastiti personalosobni doormanVratar,
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Onda imam vlastitog vratara,
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chauffeurvozač, masseusemaser, chefkuhar and waiterKonobar."
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šofera, masera, kuhara i konobara."
06:47
And now the dog'spas je really happysretan.
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I sad je pas stvarno sretan.
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And this, to me, is always what trainingtrening is.
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I ovo je ono što je meni dresura uvijek bila.
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So we really motivatemotivirati the dogpas to want to do it,
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Tako stvarno motiviramo psa da to želi činiti,
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suchtakav that the need for punishmentkazna seldomrijetko comesdolazi up.
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tako da se potreba za kaznom rijetko pojavi.
06:59
Now we movepotez to phasefaza threetri, when now --
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Sad prelazimo na stupanj tri, kad sad -
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there's timesputa, you know, when daddyTata knowszna bestnajbolje.
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ima prilika, znate, kad tata zna najbolje.
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And I have a little signznak on my fridgehladnjak, and it sayskaže,
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I imam maleni znak na frižideru, i piše,
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"Because I'm the daddyTata, that's why."
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"Zato što sam ja tata, eto zašto."
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Sorry, no more explanationobrazloženje. "I'm the daddyTata, you're not. SitSjediti."
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Oprosti, nema daljnjih objašnjenja. "Ja sam tata, ti nisi. Sjedni."
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And there's timesputa, for exampleprimjer,
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I ima prilika, na primjer,
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if my son'ssin je friendsprijatelji leavenapustiti the doorvrata openotvoren,
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ako prijatelj mog sina ostavi otvorena vrata,
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the dogspsi have to know you don't stepkorak acrosspreko this linecrta.
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psi moraju znati da ne prelaze preko te linije.
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This is a life-or-deathživotno opasnim thing.
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To je pitanje života i smrti.
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You leavenapustiti this, the sanctitySvetost of your housekuća,
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Ostavite li ovo, svetost svoje kuće,
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and you could be hithit on the streetulica.
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netko vas može udariti na ulici.
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So some things we have to let the dogpas know,
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Tako da psima moramo neke stvari dati do znanja,
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"You mustn'tNe smijemo do this."
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"Ovo ne smiješ činiti."
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And so we have to enforceprimijeniti, but withoutbez forcesila.
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I moramo ih prisiliti, bez upotrebe sile.
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People here get very confusedzbunjen about what a punishmentkazna is.
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Ljudi su često zbunjeni time što je kazna.
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They think a punishmentkazna is something nastygadan.
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Misle da je kazna nešto grozno.
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I betkladiti se a lot of you do, right?
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Kladim se vas mnogo to misli, je l' da?
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You think it's something painfulbolan, or scaryplašljiv, or nastygadan.
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Mislite da je to nešto bolno, nešto strašno, grozno.
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It doesn't have to be.
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Ne mora biti.
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There's severalnekoliko definitionsdefinicije of what a punishmentkazna is,
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Postoji nekoliko definicija toga što je kazna,
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but one definitiondefinicija, the mostnajviše popularpopularan, is:
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ali jedna definicija, najpopularnija, je:
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a punishmentkazna is a stimuluspoticaj that reducessmanjuje the immediatelyodmah precedingprethodi behaviorponašanje,
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kazna je poticaj koji smanjuje ponašanje koje je upravo prethodilo,
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suchtakav that it's lessmanje likelyVjerojatno to occurdoći in the futurebudućnost.
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tako da se ono rjeđe pojavljuje u budućnosti.
08:05
It does not have to be nastygadan, scaryplašljiv or painfulbolan.
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Ne mora biti grozno, strašno ni bolno.
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And I would say, if it doesn't have to be, then maybe it shouldn'tne treba be.
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I rekao bih, ako ne mora biti, možda ne bi smjelo biti.
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I was workingrad with a very dangerousopasno dogpas about a yeargodina agoprije.
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Radio sam s jako opasnim psom pred nekih godinu dana.
08:18
And this was a dogpas that put bothoba his ownersvlasnici in hospitalbolnica,
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Ovo je bio pas koji je oboje vlasnika smjestio u bolnicu,
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plusplus the brother-in-lawzet, plusplus the childdijete.
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plus šogora, plus dijete.
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And I only agreeddogovoren to work with it if they promisedObećao it would stayboravak in theirnjihov housekuća,
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I jedino sam se složio raditi s njim ako obećaju da će ostati s njima u kući,
08:26
and they never tookuzeo it outsideizvan.
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da ga nikad neće izvesti van.
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The dogpas is actuallyzapravo euthanizedeuthanized now,
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Pas je u stvari sad eutanaziran,
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but this was a dogpas I workedradio with for a while.
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ali s tim psom sam radio neko vrijeme.
08:32
A lot of the aggressionagresija happeneddogodilo around the kitchenkuhinja,
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Mnogo agresije se događalo oko kuhinje,
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so while I was there -- this was on the fourthČetvrta visitposjetiti --
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tako da dok sam bio tamo - ovo je bio četvrti posjet -
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we did a fourčetiri and a halfpola hoursat down-staydolje-zustaviti, with the dogpas on his matotirač.
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četiri i pol sata smo radili ostani dolje, sa psom na svom prostiraču.
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And he was keptčuva there by the owner'svlasnika calmsmiriti insistenceinzistiranje.
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I tamo smo ga zadržavali vlasnikovom mirnom upornošću.
08:46
When the dogpas would try to leavenapustiti the matotirač,
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Kad bi pas pokušao napustiti prostirač,
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she would say, "RoverRover, on the matotirač, on the matotirač, on the matotirač."
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rekla bi: "Rover, na prostirač, na prostirač, na prostirač."
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The dogpas brokerazbio his down-staydolje-zustaviti 22 timesputa in fourčetiri and a halfpola hourssati, while she cookedkuhan dinnervečera,
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Pas je to pokušao prekinuti 22 puta u četiri i pol sata, dok je kuhala večeru,
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because we had a lot of aggressionagresija relatedpovezan towardsza foodhrana.
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zato što je mnogo agresije bilo usmjereno ka hrani.
09:01
The breakspauze got fewermanje and fewermanje.
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Prekidi su bivali rjeđi i rjeđi.
09:03
You see, the punishmentkazna was workingrad.
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Vidite, kazna je djelovala.
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The behaviorponašanje problemproblem was going away.
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Problem u ponašanju je nestajao.
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She never raiseduzdignut her voiceglas.
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Nikad nije podigla glas.
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If she did, she would have got bittenugriza.
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Da jest, ugrizao bi ju.
09:13
It's not a good dogpas you shoutvikati at.
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Ne vičete na dobrog psa.
09:15
And a lot of my friendsprijatelji trainvlak really neaturedan animalsživotinje,
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I mnogo mojih prijatelja dresira stvarno cool životinje,
09:18
grizzlygrizli bearsmedvjedi -- if you've ever seenvidio a grizzlygrizli bearsnositi
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grizlije - ako ste ikad vidjeli grizlija
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on the tellyTV or in filmfilm, then it's a friendprijatelj of minerudnik who'stko je trainedobučen it --
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na TV-u ili filmu, onda ga je dresirao moj prijatelj -
09:23
killerubica whaleskitovi. I love it because it wiresžice you up.
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kitove orke. Volim ih jer se vežu za vas.
09:26
How are you going to reprimandukor a grizzlygrizli bearsnositi?
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Kako da ukorite grizlija?
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"BadLoše bearsnositi, badloše bearsnositi!" VoomVoom!
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"Zločesti medo, zločesti medo!" Bum!
09:30
Your headglava now is 100 yardsdvorišta away, sailingjedrenje throughkroz the airzrak, OK?
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Glava vam je 100 metara dalje, leti zrakom, OK?
09:35
This is crazylud.
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To je ludo.
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So, where do we go from here?
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Pa, odakle tu polazimo?
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We want a better way.
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Želimo bolji način.
09:41
DogsPsi deservezaslužiti better.
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Psi zaslužuju bolje.
09:43
But for me, the reasonrazlog for this actuallyzapravo has to do with dogspsi.
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Ali za mene, razlog za to zapravo ima veze sa psima.
09:47
It has to do with watchinggledanje people trainvlak puppiesštenci,
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Ima veze sa gledanjem ljudi kako dresiraju štenad,
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and realizingrealizirati they have horrendousgrozan interactioninterakcija skillsvještine,
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i sa shvaćanjem da imaju strašne vještine interakcije,
09:55
horrendousgrozan relationshipodnos skillsvještine.
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strašne vještine povezivanja.
09:57
Not just with theirnjihov puppyštene, but with the restodmor of the familyobitelj at classklasa.
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Ne samo sa svojim štencima, nego i s ostatkom obitelji.
10:01
I mean, my all-timesvih vremena classicklasik is anotherjoš "come here" one.
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Mislim, moj svevremeni klasik je još jedan "dođi ovamo".
10:04
You see someonenetko in the parkpark -- and I'll coverpokriti my micmikrofon when I say this,
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Vidite nekog u parku, pokrit ću mikrofon kad to kažem,
10:07
because I don't want to wakeprobuditi you up -- and there's the ownervlasnik in the parkpark,
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jer vas ne želim probuditi, i tu je vlasnik u parku,
10:10
and theirnjihov dog'spas je over here, and they say, "RoverRover, come here.
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i njihov pas je tamo, i kažu: "Rover, dođi.
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RoverRover, come here. RoverRover, come here, you sonsin of a bitchkučka."
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Rover, dođi. Rover, dođi ovamo, kučkin sine."
10:16
The dogpas sayskaže, "I don't think so."
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Pas kaže: "Ne bih rekao."
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(LaughterSmijeh)
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(smijeh)
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I mean, who in theirnjihov right mindum
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Mislim, tko bi pri zdravoj pameti
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would think that a dogpas would want to approachpristup them
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mislio da bi mu pas htio doći
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when they're screamingvrištanje like that?
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kad tako viče?
10:27
InsteadUmjesto toga, the dogpas sayskaže, "I know that toneton. I know that toneton.
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Umjesto toga, pas kaže: "Znam taj ton. Znam taj ton.
10:30
PreviouslyPrethodno, when I've approachedprilazi, I've gottendobivši punishedkažnjen there."
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Prije, kad bih mu prišao, odmah bih bio kažnjen."
10:33
I was walkinghodanje ontona a planeavion --
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Išao sam na avion -
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this, for me, was a pivotalSredišnji momenttrenutak in my careerkarijera,
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ovo je za mene prijelomni trenutak u mojoj karijeri,
10:38
and it really cementedzacementirao what I wanted to do
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i stvarno je zacementirao ono što sam htio učiniti
10:40
with this wholečitav puppy-trainingštene-trening thing,
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s cijelim ovim problemom dresure štenaca,
10:42
the notionpojam of how to teachučiti puppiesštenci in a dog-friendlypas-friendly way
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načina učenja štenaca na prijateljski način
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to want to do what we want to do, so we don't have to forcesila them.
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da žele činiti ono što mi želimo da čine, tako da ih ne moramo siliti.
10:49
You know, I puppy-trainštene-vlak my childdijete.
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Znate, dresiram svoje dijete kao štene.
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And the seminalsjemeni momenttrenutak was, I was gettinguzimajući on a planeavion in DallasDallas,
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I ključan trenutak je bio, išao sam avionom za Dallas,
10:55
and in rowred two was a fatherotac, I presumepretpostaviti, and a youngmladi boydječak about fivepet,
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i u drugom redu je bio otac, pretpostavljam, i dječak od pet godina,
10:59
kickingmrda the back of the chairstolica.
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koji je udarao stražnji dio sjedala.
11:01
"JohnnyJohnny, don't do that."
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"Johnny, ne čini to."
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KickUdarac nogom, kickudarac, kickudarac.
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Udarac, udarac, udarac.
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"JohnnyJohnny, don't do that." KickUdarac nogom, kickudarac, kickudarac.
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"Johnny, ne čini to". Udarac, udarac, udarac.
11:06
I'm standingstajati right here with my bagtorba.
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Stojim tamo sa svojom torbom.
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The fatherotac leansnaginje over, grabsZgrabi him like this and givesdaje him uglyružan facelice.
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Otac se nagne, zgrabi ga ovako i napravi ružnu grimasu.
11:12
And uglyružan facelice is this --
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A ružna grimasa je ovakva -
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when you go face-to-facelicem u lice with a puppyštene or a childdijete,
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kad ste licem u lice sa štenetom ili djetetom,
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you say, "What are you doing! Now stop it, stop it, stop it!"
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kažete: "Što to činiš? Sad prestani, prestani, prestani!"
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And I wentotišao, "Oh my God, do I do something?"
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I pomislio sam: "O Bože, trebam li što učiniti?"
11:23
That childdijete has lostizgubljen everything --
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To dijete je izgubilo sve -
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that one of the two people he can trustpovjerenje in this worldsvijet
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jedno od dvoje ljudi kojima u cijelom svijetu može vjerovati
11:29
has absolutelyapsolutno pulledizvukao the rugtepih from underpod his feetnoge.
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je očito izvuklo tepih pod njegovim nogama.
11:32
And I thought, "Do I tell this jerkkreten to quitprestati it?"
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I mislio sam: "Da li da kažem ovom kretenu da prestane?"
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I thought, "IanIan, stayboravak out of it, stayboravak out of it, you know, walkhodati on."
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Mislio sam: "Ian, drži se podalje, drži se podalje, znaš, nastavi hodati."
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I walkedhodao to the back of the planeavion,
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Otišao sam do stražnjeg dijela aviona,
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I satsat down, and a thought camedošao to me.
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sjeo sam, i misao mi je došla.
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If that had been a dogpas, I would have laidlaid him out.
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Da je to bio pas, opalio bih tipa.
11:44
(LaughterSmijeh)
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(smijeh)
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If he had kickednogom a dogpas, I would have punchedbušena him out.
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Da je udario psa, opalio bih ga.
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He kickednogom a childdijete, grabsZgrabi the childdijete like this and I let it go.
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Udario je dijete, tako je zgrabio dijete i nisam ništa učinio.
11:54
And this is what it's all about.
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I u tome je bila stvar.
11:57
These relationshipodnos skillsvještine are so easylako.
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Vještine povezivanja su tako lake.
11:59
I mean, we as humansljudi, our shallownessplitkost when we chooseizabrati a life-mate-frend
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Mislim, mi kao ljudi, naša plitkost kad biramo životnog partnera
12:04
basedzasnovan on the threetri CsCS -- coatkaput colorboja, conformationustrojstvo, cutenessdosjetljivost.
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se temelji na tri stvari - boja kaputa, građa, lijep izgled.
12:08
You know, kindljubazan of like a little robotrobot.
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Znate, pomalo kao mali robot.
12:10
This is how we go into a relationshipodnos, and it's hunky-dorySjajno for a yeargodina.
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Tako uletimo u vezu, i onda se topimo godinu dana.
12:13
And then, a little behaviorponašanje problemproblem comesdolazi up.
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A onda, iskrsne neki problem u ponašanju.
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No differentdrugačiji from the dogpas barkingguljenje kore.
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Ništa drukčije od psa koji laje.
12:17
The husbandsuprug won'tnavika clearčisto up his clothesodjeća,
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Muž neće složiti svoju odjeću,
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or the wife'sžena je always latekasno for meetingssastanci, whateveršto god it is, OK?
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ili žena uvijek kasni na sastanke, što god bilo, OK?
12:23
And it then startspočinje, and we get into this thing,
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I onda sve započne, i upadnemo u tu rutinu,
12:27
and our personalosobni feedbackpovratna veza -- there's two things about it.
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i naša povratna informacija - dvije stvari postoje u vezi nje.
12:29
When you watch people interactingu interakciji with animalsživotinje or other people,
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Kad gledate ljude kako komuniciraju sa životinjama ili drugim ljudima,
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there is very little feedbackpovratna veza, it's too infrequentrijedak.
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premalo je povratne informacije, prerijetko se javlja.
12:36
And when it happensdogađa se, it's badloše, it's nastygadan.
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I kad se dogodi, loša je, grozna.
12:39
You see it's especiallyposebno in familiesobitelji, especiallyposebno with spousessupružnici,
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To osobito vidite u obiteljima, posebno kod supružnika,
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especiallyposebno with childrendjeca, especiallyposebno with parentsroditelji.
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posebno kod djece, posebno kod roditelja.
12:47
You see it especiallyposebno in the workplaceradnom mjestu,
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Posebno to vidite na poslu,
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especiallyposebno from bossšef to employeezaposlenik.
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posebno između šefa i zaposlenika.
12:51
It's as if there's some schadenfreudeSchadenfreude there,
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Kao da netko uživa u tuđoj muci,
12:54
that we actuallyzapravo take delightzadovoljstvo in people gettinguzimajući things wrongpogrešno,
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kao da stvarno uživamo kad ljudi nešto krivo shvate,
12:57
so that we can then moanstenjati and groanjecaju and bitchkučka at them.
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tako da možemo gunđati i prigovarati i iskaljivati se na njima.
13:02
And this, I would say, is the biggestnajveći humanljudski foiblefoible that we have.
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I ovo je, rekao bih, najveća ljudska slabost koju imamo.
13:06
It really is.
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Stvarno jest.
13:08
We take the good for grantedodobreno, and we moanstenjati and groanjecaju at the badloše.
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Uzimamo dobro zdravo za gotovo, i gunđamo i prigovaramo za loše.
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And I think this wholečitav notionpojam of these skillsvještine should be taughtučio.
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I mislim da bi se cijeli pogled na ove vještine trebao poučavati.
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You know, calculusračun is wonderfulpredivan.
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Znate, matematika je krasna.
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When I was a kiddijete, I was a calculusračun whizČarobnjak.
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Kad sam ja bio dijete, bio sam genij za matematiku.
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I don't understandrazumjeti a thing about it now, but I could do it as a kiddijete.
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Ne razumijem u čemu je stvar sada, ali mogao sam to kao dijete.
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GeometryGeometrija, fantasticfantastičan. You know, quantumkvantni mechanicsmehanika --
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Geometrija, fantastično. Znate, kvantna mehanika -
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these are coolsvjež things.
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to su cool stvari,
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But they don't saveuštedjeti marriagesbrakovi and they don't raisepodići childrendjeca.
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Ali one ne spašavaju brakove i ne odgajaju djecu.
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And my look to the futurebudućnost is,
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I moj pogled na budućnost je,
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and what I want to do with this doggypsić stuffstvari, is to teachučiti people
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ono što želim učiniti s ovim psećim stvarima je naučiti ljude
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that you know, your husband'smuža just as easylako to trainvlak.
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da znate, vašeg muža je jednako lako dresirati.
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ProbablyVjerojatno easierlakše -- if you got a RottieRottie -- much easierlakše to trainvlak.
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Vjerojatno lakše, ako imate rotvajlera, mnogo lakše dresirati.
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Your kidsdjeca are easylako to trainvlak.
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Vašu djecu je lako dresirati.
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All you've got to do is to watch them,
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Sve što morate je promatrati ih,
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to time-samplevrijeme-uzorak the behaviorponašanje, and say, everysvaki fivepet minutesminuta,
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uzeti vremenski uzorak njihova ponašanja, i recimo, svakih pet minuta,
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you askpitati the questionpitanje, "Is it good, or is it badloše?"
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postavite si pitanje: "Je li to dobro, je li to loše?"
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If it's good, say, "That was really neaturedan, thank you."
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Ako je dobro, kažete: "To je bilo baš super, hvala."
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That is suchtakav a powerfulsnažan trainingtrening techniquetehnika.
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To je tako moćna tehnika dresiranja.
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This should be taughtučio in schoolsškola.
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To bi se trebalo učiti u školama.
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RelationshipsOdnosa -- how do you negotiatepregovarati?
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Veze - kako pregovarate?
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How you do negotiatepregovarati with your friendprijatelj who wants your toyigračka?
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Kako pregovarate s prijateljem koji želi vašu igračku?
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You know, how to preparepripremiti you for your first relationshipodnos?
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Znate, kako se pripremiti za prvu vezu?
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How on earthZemlja about raisingpodizanje childrendjeca?
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Kako pobogu za odgajanje djece?
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We think how we do it -- one night in bedkrevet, we're pregnanttrudna,
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Mislimo o tome kako to činimo - jedna noć u krevetu, trudni smo,
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and then we're raisingpodizanje the mostnajviše importantvažno thing in life, a childdijete.
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i onda odgajamo najvažniju stvar u životu, dijete.
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No, this is what should be taughtučio -- the good livingživot, the good habitsnavike,
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Ne, ovo bi se trebalo učiti - dobar život, dobre navike,
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whichkoji are just as hardteško to breakpauza as badloše habitsnavike.
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koje je jednako teško slomiti kao i loše.
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So, that would be my wishželja to the futurebudućnost.
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Tako, to bi bila moja želja za budućnost.
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AhAh, damnproklet, I wanted to endkraj exactlytočno on time,
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O, kvragu, htio sam završiti točno na vrijeme,
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but I got eightosam, sevensedam, sixšest, fivepet, fourčetiri, threetri, two --
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ali imam osam, sedam, šest, pet, četiri, tri, dva -
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so thank you very much. That's my talk, thank you.
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Mnogo vam hvala. Ovo je bio moj govor, hvala.
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Translated by Ivona tevanja
Reviewed by Jelena Horvat

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ian Dunbar - Animal behaviorist
Veterinarian, dog trainer and animal behaviorist Ian Dunbar understands our pets' point of view. By training dog owners in proper conduct (as much as he trains the dogs themselves), he hopes to encourage better relationships with dogs -- not to mention their friends and children, too.

Why you should listen

We may call dogs man's best friend, but according to Dr. Ian Dunbar, humans often fail to reciprocate. Dunbar's decades of research on hierarchical social behavior and aggression in domestic animals truly give him a dog's-eye view of human beings' incomprehensible and spontaneous -- if involuntary -- cruelties.

Dunbar says we might break our unseemly, unflattering habits and usher in an "era of dog-friendly dog training" by coming to understand why dogs do what they do -- Is Fido misbehaving, or just being a dog? -- and the repercussions of our actions toward them. (We might foster better relationships with our fellow humans, too.) His Sirius Dog Training company focuses on training puppies to be playful, yet well-behaved. His second organization, Animalin, promotes games for dogs and puppies at an international level. 

Dunbar has written numerous books, including How to Teach a New Dog Old Tricks and The Good Little Dog Book. He has also hosted several award-winning videotapes on puppy and dog training.

More profile about the speaker
Ian Dunbar | Speaker | TED.com