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Jill Sobule + Julia Sweeney: The Jill and Julia Show

ジル・アンド・ジュリアショー

March 3, 2007

TEDの人気者の2人、ジル・ソビュールとジュリア・スウィーニーが、頓知に富んだ作詞とちょっとした社会風刺を盛り込んだ楽しい余興をするために手を組みました。

Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith. Full bio

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♫ Jill Sobule: At a conference in Monterey by the big, big jellyfish tank, ♫
大きな大きなクラゲの水槽の側 モントレーでのカンファレンスで
00:32
♫ I first saw you and I got so shy. ♫
初めてあなたに会った時とっても恥ずかしかったの
00:38
♫ You see, I was a little paranoid 'cause I might have been high. ♫
恍惚としていたかもしれないから少し妄想していたの
00:41
♫ And I hadn't done that in ages and I won't do that again. ♫
何年もそんなことなかったし これからもないわ
00:45
♫ But that's another story. ♫
でもそれは別の話
00:48
♫ Loved you forever and I've been a big fan, ♫
あなたを永遠に愛するあなたの大ファンなの
00:51
♫ the one-woman shows, I even rented "Pat." ♫
舞台で「パット」すら使わせてもらったわ
00:56
♫ I got enough nerve to come up to you, ♫
あなたに近付く勇気がわいたの
00:59
♫ but little did I know one year later we'd be doing this show. ♫
でも1年後にこんなショーをすることになるなんて思いもしなかった
01:03
♫ I sing. Julia Sweeney: I tell stories. Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
私は歌う ジュリア・スウィーニー: 私は語る 2人: ジル・アンド・ジュリアショー
01:08
♫ Sobule: Sometimes it works. Sweeney: Sometimes it doesn't. ♫
ジル: うまくいくときもあれば ジュリア:うまくいかないときもある
01:15
♫ Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
2人: ジル・アンド・ジュリアショー
01:18
♫ Sweeney: At a conference in Monterey next to the big, big jellyfish tank, ♫
ジュリア: 大きな大きなクラゲの水槽のそば モントレーでのカンファレンスで
01:22
♫ I first saw you and I wasn't so shy. ♫
初めてあなたに会ったけれど 別に恥ずかしくなかったわ
01:29
I made a beeline for you and told you what a huge fan I was
あなたのもとに飛んで行って あなたの大ファンだって伝えたの
01:33
ever since I was writing that pilot for Fox, and Wendy
フォックスにパイロットフィルムを書いて以来 ウェンディーと私はあなたに
01:37
and I wanted you to do the theme song.
テーマソングを書いてほしかった
01:40
And then the pilot didn't go and I was so sad,
そのフィルムは使われなかったからとても悲しかった
01:41
but I kept remaining a fan of yours.
でもずっとあなたのファンよ
01:43
And then when I went through that big, horrible breakup with Carl
それから カールとひどく辛い別れをして
01:44
and I couldn't get off the couch, I listened to your song,
ソファーから起き上がれなかったとき あなたの歌を聴いたわ
01:48
♫ "Now That I Don't Have You," ♫ over and over and over and over again.
「もうあなたはいない」何度も何度も何度も...
01:50
And I can't believe you're here and that I'm meeting you here at TED.
ここTEDであなたと実際に会っているなんて信じられないわ
01:54
And also, I can't believe that we're eating sushi
それに 水槽の前で寿司を食べてるなんて
01:57
in front of the fish tank,
狂ってるわ
02:00
which, personally, I think is really inappropriate.
だって個人的には完全に不適切だもの
02:01
(Laughter)
(笑)
02:03
(Applause)
(拍手)
02:05
And little did I know that one year later ... ♫ we'd be doing this show. ♫
1年後に私達がこんなショーをするなんて思いもしなかった
02:06
♫ Sobule: I sing. Sweeney: I tell stories. Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
ジュリア: 私は歌う ジル: 私は語る 2人: ジル・アンド・ジュリアショ―
02:10
Sobule: Hey, they asked us back! Sweeney: Can you stand it?!
ジュリア: ねぇ 戻ってきてだって! ジル: 大丈夫かしら?
02:16
♫ Together: The Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia Show. ♫
2人: ジル・アンド・ジュリア ジル・アンド・ジュリア ジル・アンド・ジュリアショ―
02:20
♫ Sobule: Why are all our heroes so imperfect? ♫
ジル: 私たちのヒーローはなぜみんな不完全なの?
02:26
♫ Why do they always bring me down? ♫
なぜいつも私をがっかりさせるの?
02:34
♫ Why are all our heroes so imperfect? ♫
ヒーローはなぜ皆こうも欠点まみれなの?
02:40
♫ Statue in the park has lost his crown. ♫
公園の像は王冠を亡くしたわ
02:45
♫ William Faulkner, drunk and depressed. ♫ Sweeney: Mmm.
ウィリアム・フォークナーは酒に酔って憂うつ状態
02:50
♫ Dorothy Parker, mean, drunk and depressed. ♫ Sweeney: I know.
ドロシー・パーカーも酒に酔ってうつ状態
02:53
♫ And that guy, "Seven Years in Tibet," turned out to be a Nazi. ♫ Sweeney: Yeah.
『セブン・イヤーズ・イン・チベット』の男はナチ党員になった
02:56
♫ Founding fathers all had slaves. ♫ Sweeney: I know.
建国の始祖たちにはみな奴隷がいた
03:01
♫ The explorers slaughtered the braves. ♫ Sweeney: Horribly.
探検家はアメリカインディアンを虐殺 ジュリア:恐ろしいほどね
03:03
♫ Sobule: The Old Testament God can be so petty. ♫
ジル:旧約聖書の神はとってもかわいいに違いないわ
03:06
Sweeney: Don't get me started on that. (Laughter)
ジュリア: そんな話ふらないで
03:10
♫ Sobule: Paul McCartney, jealous of John, even more so now that he's gone. ♫
ジル: ポール・マッカートニーはジョンに嫉妬 ジョンが亡くなったからなおさらね
03:12
♫ Dylan was so mean to Donovan in that movie. ♫
ディランは映画でドノヴァンにとても意地悪だった
03:16
♫ Pablo Picasso, cruel to his wives. ♫ Sweeney: Horrible.
パブロ・ピカソは妻たちに冷酷 ジュリア: 恐ろしい
03:21
♫ Sobule: My favorite poets took their own lives. ♫
ジル: 私のお気に入りの詩人はみな自殺したの
03:24
♫ Orson Welles peaked at twenty-five, below before our eyes. ♫
オ―ソン・ウェルズは25歳で絶頂期を迎え 見る見る肥えていったわ
03:26
♫ And he sold bad wine. ♫
その上 ひどいワインを売ったの
03:31
♫ Together: Why are all our heroes so imperfect? Yeah ♫
2人: ヒーローは皆なぜこうも欠点があるのかしら、ね?
03:33
♫ Why do they always bring me down? ♫
なぜいつも私をがっかりさせるの?
03:38
♫ Sobule: Heard Babe Ruth was full of malice. ♫ Sweeney: Oh.
ジル: ベーブ・ルースは悪意の塊だったらしいわ
03:43
♫ Lewis Carroll I'm sure did Alice. ♫ Sweeney: What?!
ルイス・キャロルはアリスとやっちゃったに違いないわ
03:46
♫ Plato in the cave with those very young boys. ♫ Sweeney: Ooh...
とても若い少年たちと洞窟にいたプラトン ジュリア:ワオー・・・
03:48
♫ Sobule: Hillary supported the war. ♫
ジル: ヒラリーはイラク戦争を支持した
03:53
♫ Sweeney: Even Thomas Friedman supported the war. ♫ (Laughter)
ジュリア: トーマス・フリードマンさえ あの戦争を支持したわ
03:56
♫ Sobule: Colin Powell turned out to be ... Together: ... such a pussy. ♫ (Laughter) (Applause)
ジル: コリン・パウエルは結局 2人:女々しい男だった
03:59
♫ Sobule: William Faulkner, drunk and depressed, ♫
ジュリア: ウィリアム・フォークナーは酒に酔ってうつ状態
04:04
♫ Tennessee Williams, drunk and depressed. ♫ Sweeney: Yeah.
テネシー・ウィリアムズも酔っ払いでうつ状態
04:06
♫ Sobule: Take it, Julia. ♫
ジル: あなたの番よ ジュリア
04:08
Sweeney: Okay. Oprah was never necessarily a big hero of mine.
ジュリア: オーケー 必ずしもオプラの大ファンって訳ではなかったの
04:10
I mean, I watch Oprah mostly when I'm home in Spokane
というか オプラの番組見るのはスポケーンの
04:14
visiting my mother. And to my mother,
母を尋ねていた時がほとんどだったし 母にとっては
04:17
Oprah is a greater moral authority than the Pope,
オプラがローマ法王よりも道徳的威厳をもっていて
04:19
which is actually saying something because she's a devout Catholic.
母は敬虔なカトリックだから これって実際すごいことよ
04:21
Anyway, I like Oprah -- I like her girlfriendy-ness,
とにかく オプラは好き 女友達的なとこが好き
04:24
I like her weight issues,
体重の問題も好き
04:27
I like how she's transformed talk television,
テレビのトークショーの在り方を変えたところも好き
04:29
I like how she's brought reading back to America --
アメリカに読書習慣を呼び戻したのも好き
04:31
but there was something that happened the last two weeks
だけど ここ2週間に起きたことといったら
04:34
that was ... I call it the Soon-Yi moment:
ス―ン・イ体験 とで呼ぼうかしら
04:36
it is the moment when I cannot continue supporting someone.
それは だれかを支持し続けることができなくなる体験
04:39
And that was that she did two entire shows
彼女は2つの番組を丸々使って
04:44
promoting that movie "The Secret."
『ザ・シークレット』をプロモーションしたの
04:48
Do you guys know about that movie "The Secret"?
『ザ・シークレット』っていう映画皆さんご存じ?
04:50
It makes "What the Bleep Do We Know" seem like a doctoral dissertation
この映画のおかげで『私たちは一体全体何を知っているというの?』は
04:52
from Harvard on quantum mechanics -- that's how bad it is.
量子力学に関するハーバードの博士論文のようになったわ それだけ悪かったってこと
04:57
It makes "The DaVinci Code" seem like "War and Peace."
『ダ・ビンチ・コード』は『戦争と平和』のようになって
05:00
That movie is so horrible. It promotes such awful pseudoscience.
あの映画はひどいもんよ こんなひどい似非科学を広めてるんだもの
05:04
And the basic idea is
基本的な考えは
05:09
that there's this law of attraction, and
「引き寄せの法則」
05:10
your thoughts have this vibrating energy
あなたの思考には 宇宙まで届く躍動的な
05:13
that goes out into the universe
エネルギーがあって
05:15
and then you attract good things to happen to you.
良い出来事を引き寄せる
05:16
On a scientific basis, it's more than just "Power of Positive Thinking" --
科学的に この法則は「前向きな思考力」以上のもの
05:18
it has a horrible, horrible dark side. Like if you get ill,
--影の側面があるのよ 病気になったら
05:22
it's because you've just been thinking negative thoughts.
それはネガティブな考えをしていたってこと
05:27
Yeah, stuff like that was in the movie and she's promoting it.
そう 映画はこんな感じ オプラはこんな映画をプロモーションしてるの
05:29
And all I'm saying is that I really wish that Murray Gell-Mann
私が言いたいのは マレー・ゲルマンが
05:32
would go on Oprah
オプラの番組に出演して
05:35
and just explain to her that the law of attraction is, in fact, not a law.
「引き寄せの法則」は実際には法則じゃないと説明することへの願い
05:36
So that's what I have to say.
これが私の言いたかったこと
05:41
(Laughter)
(笑)
05:43
(Applause)
(拍手)
05:45
♫ Sobule: I sing. Sweeney: I tell stories. Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
ジル: 私は歌う ジュリア: 私は語る 2人: ジル・アンド・ジュリア・ショー
05:51
♫ Sobule: Sometimes it works. Sweeney: Sometimes it doesn't. ♫
ジル: うまくいくときもあれば ジュリア: うまくいかないときもある
05:57
♫ Together: The Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia Show. ♫
2人: ジル・アンド・ジュリア ジル・アンド・ジュリア ジル・アンド・ジュリア・ショー
06:02
(Applause)
(拍手)
06:10
Translator:Takae Kinoshita
Reviewer:Takahiro Shimpo

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Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now.

Why you should listen

Jill Sobule first found her place in music history with the controversial 1995 hit "I Kissed a Girl." The song's silly sweetness masked its significance: It broke new ground as the first Top 40 hit to deal with overtly gay themes.

This approach -- packaging hard-hitting social commentary in a wrapper of whimsy -- has defined Sobule's career. Her endearing story-songs veer from fanciful storytelling to forceful satire and back again, covering a wide range of political and social issues from climate change to prostitution; anorexia to anti-semitism. Her winning combination of memorable characters, clever lyrics and catchy tunes has inspired comparisons that range from Burt Bacharach to Gertrude Stein. It also makes her performances and recordings a delight.

Sobule's candy-coated commentary can be found on her Huffington Post blog, as well as in her steady stream of stand-out albums, including Jill Sobule (1995), Happy Town (1997), Pink Pearl (2000) and Underdog Victorious (2004). Lately, Sobule has performed regularly with comedian Julia Sweeney (the two met at TED2006). They put on the "Jill and Julia Show," an utterly endearing evening of stories and songs. She's also recording an album with the string quartet Ethel (another TED2006 match).

Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

Why you should listen

Known for her stint on Saturday Night Live and her powerful solo shows, Julia Sweeney has carved out her own territory in entertainment, one that moves between the personal and the political, the controversial and the comical. Her piece Letting Go of God traces a spiritual journey that takes an unexpected turn toward science (a turn that, incidentally, also led her to TED) and ends with atheism. Her latest book is If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother, on parenting and being parented.

In this, as in all her performances, Sweeney projects a warmth and sincerity on stage that's unmatched in today's theater; you immediately feel you're chatting with an old friend. And this gift of intimacy allows her to achieve the impossible: an utterly disarming show that honestly confronts the most controversial topic of our times. Her earlier shows God Said “Ha!” and In the Family Way also garnered praise and prizes for their pairings of humor and poignant truth.

The original video is available on TED.com
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