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Jackson Katz: Violence against women -- it's a men's issue
Džekson Kac (Jackson Katz): Nasilje nad ženama - to je muški problem
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Porodično nasilje i seksualno zlostavljanje se često nazivaju "ženskim problemima". Ali u ovom smelom, otvorenom govoru, Džekson Kac pokazuje da su ovo ključni muški problemi i da su ova nasilna ponašanja povezana sa definicijama muškosti. Poziv na buđenje za sve nas - žene i muškarce - da nazovemo ovo ponašnje neprihvatljivim i budemo vođe promene.
Jackson Katz - Anti-sexism educator
Jackson Katz asks a very important question that gets at the root of why sexual abuse, rape and domestic abuse remain a problem: What's going on with men? Full bio
Jackson Katz asks a very important question that gets at the root of why sexual abuse, rape and domestic abuse remain a problem: What's going on with men? Full bio
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I'm going to share with you
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Podeliću sa vama
00:13
a paradigm-shifting perspective
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pogled koji menja obrazac
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on the issues of gender violence --
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viđenja rodnog nasilja -
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sexual assault, domestic violence, relationship abuse,
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silovanje, nasilje u porodici,
maltretiranje u vezi,
maltretiranje u vezi,
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sexual harassment, sexual abuse of children.
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seksualno uznemiravanje,
seksualno iskorišćavanje dece.
seksualno iskorišćavanje dece.
00:22
That whole range of issues that I'll refer to in shorthand
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Čitav spektar problema
koji se ukratko nazivaju
koji se ukratko nazivaju
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as "gender violence issues,"
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"problemima rodnog nasilja"
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they've been seen as women's issues that some good men
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i viđeni su kao ženske poteškoće
u vezi sa kojima pomažu
u vezi sa kojima pomažu
00:29
help out with, but I have a problem with that frame
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neki dobri muškarci,
ali imam problem sa tim okvirom
ali imam problem sa tim okvirom
00:32
and I don't accept it.
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i ne prihvatam ga.
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I don't see these as women's issues that some good men help out with.
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Ne vidim to kao ženske probleme
koje rešavaju dobri muškarci.
koje rešavaju dobri muškarci.
00:36
In fact, I'm going to argue that these are men's issues,
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Zapravo, obrazložiću vam
da su ovo prvenstveno
da su ovo prvenstveno
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first and foremost.
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muški problemi.
00:40
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
00:43
Now obviously, they're also women's issues,
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Očigledno, to su i ženski problemi
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so I appreciate that, but calling
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što i razumem, ali nazivati
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gender violence a women's issue is part of the problem,
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rodno nasilje ženskim problemom
je samo deo problema
je samo deo problema
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for a number of reasons.
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iz brojnih razloga.
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The first is that it gives men an excuse not to pay attention.
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Prvi je da to daje muškarcima izgovor
da ne vode računa.
da ne vode računa.
00:55
Right? A lot of men hear the term "women's issues"
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Zar ne? Puno muškaraca
čuje termin "ženski problemi"
čuje termin "ženski problemi"
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and we tend to tune it out, and we think,
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i težimo da ih zanemarimo,
pa razmišljamo:
pa razmišljamo:
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"Hey, I'm a guy. That's for the girls," or "That's for the women."
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"Hej, ja sam muško. To je za devojke"
ili " To je za žene."
ili " To je za žene."
01:01
And a lot of men literally don't get beyond the first sentence
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A kao posledica toga,
dosta muškaraca ne ode dalje
dosta muškaraca ne ode dalje
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as a result.
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od prve rečenice.
01:06
It's almost like a chip in our brain is activated,
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Skoro kao da je čip
u našim mozgovima aktiviran
u našim mozgovima aktiviran
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and the neural pathways take our attention in a different direction
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i nervni putevi vode našu
pažnju u drugom smeru
pažnju u drugom smeru
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when we hear the term "women's issues."
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kada čujemo termin "ženski problemi".
01:13
This is also true, by the way, of the word "gender,"
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Ovo inače takođe važi
i za reč "rod"
i za reč "rod"
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because a lot of people hear the word "gender"
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jer dosta ljudi kad čuje reč "rod"
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and they think it means "women."
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misli da to znači "žena".
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So they think that gender issues is synonymous with women's issues.
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Stoga misle da su rodni problemi
sinonim za ženske probleme.
sinonim za ženske probleme.
01:23
There's some confusion about the term gender.
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Postoje neke zabune
u vezi sa terminom "rod".
u vezi sa terminom "rod".
01:25
And actually, let me illustrate that confusion by way of analogy.
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Dozvolite mi da vam ilustrujem
te zabune putem analogije.
te zabune putem analogije.
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So let's talk for a moment about race.
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Hajde na kratko
da pričamo o rasi.
da pričamo o rasi.
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In the U.S., when we hear the word "race,"
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U Americi, kad
čujemo reč "rasa"
čujemo reč "rasa"
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a lot of people think that means African-American,
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dosta ljudi misli da to znači:
Afro-amerikanac,
Afro-amerikanac,
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Latino, Asian-American, Native American,
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Latinos, Azijski Amerikanac,
Indijanac,
Indijanac,
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South Asian, Pacific Islander, on and on.
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južni Azijat, pacifički ostrvljanin,
i tako dalje.
i tako dalje.
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A lot of people, when they hear the word "sexual orientation"
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Dosta ljudi, kada čuju
reč "seksualna orijentacija"
reč "seksualna orijentacija"
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think it means gay, lesbian, bisexual.
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misle da to znači:
gej, lezbijka, biseksualac.
gej, lezbijka, biseksualac.
01:45
And a lot of people, when they hear the word "gender,"
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A puno ljudi
kada čuje reč "rod"
kada čuje reč "rod"
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think it means women. In each case,
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misle da to znači: žene.
U svakom od navedenih slučaja,
U svakom od navedenih slučaja,
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the dominant group doesn't get paid attention to.
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ne obraća se pažnja
na dominantnu grupu.
na dominantnu grupu.
01:51
Right? As if white people don't have some sort of racial identity
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Zar ne? Kao da belci nemaju
neku vrstu rasnog identiteta
neku vrstu rasnog identiteta
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or belong to some racial category or construct,
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ili da ne pripadaju nekoj
rasnoj kategoriji i ustrojstvu,
rasnoj kategoriji i ustrojstvu,
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as if heterosexual people don't have a sexual orientation,
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kao da heteroseksualci nemaju
seksualnu orijentaciju,
seksualnu orijentaciju,
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as if men don't have a gender.
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kao da muškarci nemaju rod.
02:03
This is one of the ways that dominant systems maintain
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Ovo je jedan od načina
da se dominantni sistemi održe
da se dominantni sistemi održe
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and reproduce themselves, which is to say
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i reprodukuju, što znači
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the dominant group is rarely challenged to even think about its dominance,
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da je dominatna grupa retko izazvana
da čak i razmišlja o svojoj dominantnosti
da čak i razmišlja o svojoj dominantnosti
02:11
because that's one of the key characteristics
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jer je to jedna
od ključnih karakteristika
od ključnih karakteristika
02:13
of power and privilege, the ability to go unexamined,
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snage i privilegije,
mogućnost da se prolazi neispitano
mogućnost da se prolazi neispitano
02:16
lacking introspection, in fact being rendered invisible
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u nedostatku introspekcije,
zapravo biti prikazan nevidljivim
zapravo biti prikazan nevidljivim
02:20
in large measure in the discourse
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u velikoj meri
u raspravi o
u raspravi o
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about issues that are primarily about us.
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problemima koji se tiču
prvenstveno nas.
prvenstveno nas.
02:25
And this is amazing how this works
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A takođe je neverovatno
kako ovo funkcioniše
kako ovo funkcioniše
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in domestic and sexual violence,
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u porodičnom i seksualnom nasilju,
02:28
how men have been largely erased from so much
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kako su muškarci
prilično izostavljeni
prilično izostavljeni
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of the conversation about a subject
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iz mnogih razgovora o temi
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that is centrally about men.
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koja je centralno u vezi sa njima.
02:35
And I'm going to illustrate what I'm talking about
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Ilustrovaću vam
ovo o čemu pričam
ovo o čemu pričam
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by using the old tech.
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koristeći staru tehnologiju.
02:38
I'm old school on some fundamental regards.
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Staromodan sam
po pitanju osnovnih gledišta.
po pitanju osnovnih gledišta.
02:41
I work with -- I make films -- and I work with high tech,
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Pravim filmove i radim
sa visokom tehnologijom
sa visokom tehnologijom
02:44
but I'm still old school as an educator,
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ali sam i dalje staromodan
kao nastavnik.
kao nastavnik.
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and I want to share with you this exercise
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Želim da podelim sa vama ovu vežbu
02:49
that illustrates on the sentence structure level
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koja na nivou strukture rečenice opisuje
02:52
how the way that we think,
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kako nam način
na koji razmišljamo,
na koji razmišljamo,
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literally the way that we use language,
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doslovno način
na koji koristimo svoj jezik,
na koji koristimo svoj jezik,
02:56
conspires to keep our attention off of men.
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pomaže da držimo našu pažnju
dalje od muškaraca.
dalje od muškaraca.
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This is about domestic violence in particular,
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Ovo je prvenstveno u vezi sa
porodičnim nasiljem,
porodičnim nasiljem,
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but you can plug in other analogues.
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ali možete to povezati
i sa ostalim analogijama.
i sa ostalim analogijama.
03:04
This comes from the work of the feminist linguist Julia Penelope.
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Ovo potiče od rada feminističke
lingvistkinje Džulije Penelopi.
lingvistkinje Džulije Penelopi.
03:07
It starts with a very basic English sentence:
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Počinje prostom engleskom rečenicom:
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"John beat Mary."
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"Džon tuče Meri."
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That's a good English sentence.
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To je dobra engleska rečenica.
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John is the subject. Beat is the verb.
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Džon je subjekat.
Tući je glagol.
Tući je glagol.
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Mary is the object. Good sentence.
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Meri je objekat.
Dobra rečenica.
Dobra rečenica.
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Now we're going to move to the second sentence,
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Preći ćemo na sledeću rečenicu,
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which says the same thing in the passive voice.
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koja kaže istu stvar
u pasivu.
u pasivu.
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"Mary was beaten by John."
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"Meri je istučena
od strane Džona".
od strane Džona".
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And now a whole lot has happened in one sentence.
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Sada se dosta stvari desilo
u jednoj rečenici.
u jednoj rečenici.
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We've gone from "John beat Mary"
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Prešli smo sa "Džon tuče Meri"
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to "Mary was beaten by John."
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na "Meri je istučena
od strane Džona".
od strane Džona".
03:36
We've shifted our focus in one sentence from John to Mary,
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Prebacili smo svoju pažnju
u jednoj rečenici sa Džona na Meri
u jednoj rečenici sa Džona na Meri
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and you can see John is very close to the end of the sentence,
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i kao što vidite, Džon je
veoma blizu kraja rečenice,
veoma blizu kraja rečenice,
03:42
well, close to dropping off the map of our psychic plain.
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pa, skoro blizu ispadanja
sa mape naše psihičke ravni.
sa mape naše psihičke ravni.
03:45
The third sentence, John is dropped,
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U trećoj rečenicai Džon je izuzet
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and we have, "Mary was beaten,"
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i imamo "Meri je pretučena",
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and now it's all about Mary.
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i sad se sve tiče Meri.
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We're not even thinking about John. It's totally focused on Mary.
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Čak ni ne razmišljamo o Džonu.
Skroz smo usredsređeni na Meri.
Skroz smo usredsređeni na Meri.
03:55
Over the past generation, the term we've used
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Tokom prošlih generacija,
termin koji smo koristili
termin koji smo koristili
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synonymous with "beaten" is "battered,"
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kao sinonim za "pretučena"
je bio: "umlaćena",
je bio: "umlaćena",
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so we have "Mary was battered."
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pa tako imamo "Meri je umlaćena".
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And the final sentence in this sequence,
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Konačna rečenica u ovom sledu,
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flowing from the others, is,
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prateći prethodne,
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"Mary is a battered woman."
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je "Meri je umlaćena žena".
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So now Mary's very identity -- Mary is a battered woman --
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Stoga je sad Merin identitet -
Meri je pretučena žena -
Meri je pretučena žena -
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is what was done to her by John in the first instance.
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ono što joj je učinjeno
od strane Džona u prvoj rečenici.
od strane Džona u prvoj rečenici.
04:19
But we've demonstrated that John has long ago left the conversation.
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Ali smo pokazali da je Džon
odavno napustio ovu priču.
odavno napustio ovu priču.
04:22
Now, those of us who work in the domestic and sexual violence
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Mi koji radimo u sektoru
porodičnog i seksualnog nasilja
porodičnog i seksualnog nasilja
04:25
field know that victim-blaming is pervasive in this realm,
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znamo da je okrivljavanje žrtve
veoma prisutno u ovoj oblasti,
veoma prisutno u ovoj oblasti,
04:28
which is to say, blaming the person to whom something was done
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odnosno, svaljivanje krivice
na osobu kojoj je nešto učinjeno,
na osobu kojoj je nešto učinjeno,
04:31
rather than the person who did it.
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a ne na osobu koja je to učinila.
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And we say things like, why do these women go out with these men?
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Pitamo se zašto ove žene
izlaze sa ovakvim muškarcima?
izlaze sa ovakvim muškarcima?
04:34
Why are they attracted to these men?
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Zašto ih privlače takvi muškarci?
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Why do they keep going back? What was she wearing at that party?
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Zašto se stalno vraćaju?
Šta je nosila na žurci?
Šta je nosila na žurci?
04:38
What a stupid thing to do. Why was she drinking
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Kakav glup postupak.
Zašto je pila
Zašto je pila
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with that group of guys in that hotel room?
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sa tom grupom muškaraca
u toj hotelskoj sobi?
u toj hotelskoj sobi?
04:43
This is victim blaming, and there are numerous reasons for it,
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Ovo je svaljivanje krivice na žrtvu
i postoji veliki broj razloga za to,
i postoji veliki broj razloga za to,
04:46
but one of them is that our whole cognitive structure
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ali jedan od njih je taj
da je čitava naša saznajna struktura
da je čitava naša saznajna struktura
04:48
is set up to blame victims. This is all unconscious.
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podešena da krivi žrtve.
To radimo nesvesno.
To radimo nesvesno.
04:51
Our whole cognitive structure is set up to ask questions
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Čitava naša saznajna struktura
je podešena da postavlja pitanja
je podešena da postavlja pitanja
04:52
about women and women's choices and what they're doing,
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o ženama i ženskim izborima
i o tome šta one rade,
i o tome šta one rade,
04:55
thinking, and wearing.
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šta misle i oblače.
04:57
And I'm not going to shout down people who ask questions
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Neću ućutkivati ljude
koji postavljaju pitanja
koji postavljaju pitanja
04:59
about women, okay? It's a legitimate thing to ask.
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o ženama.
Legitimno je to pitati.
Legitimno je to pitati.
05:01
But's let's be clear: Asking questions about Mary
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Ali budimo načisto:
postavljanje pitanja o Meri
postavljanje pitanja o Meri
05:04
is not going to get us anywhere in terms of preventing violence.
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neće nas odvesti nigde
što se tiče prevencije nasilja.
što se tiče prevencije nasilja.
05:06
We have to ask a different set of questions.
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Treba da postavljamo
drugačija pitanja.
drugačija pitanja.
05:09
You can see where I'm going with this, right?
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Vidite šta želim
da postignem ovim, zar ne?
da postignem ovim, zar ne?
05:10
The questions are not about Mary. They're about John.
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Pitanja se ne tiču Meri, već Džona.
05:14
The questions include things like, why does John beat Mary?
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Ona uključuju stvari poput:
zašto Džon tuče Meri?
zašto Džon tuče Meri?
05:17
Why is domestic violence still a big problem
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Zašto je porodično nasilje
i dalje veliki problem
i dalje veliki problem
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in the United States and all over the world?
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u Americi i čitavom svetu?
05:21
What's going on? Why do so many men abuse,
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Šta se dešava?
Zašto toliko muškaraca zlostavlja,
Zašto toliko muškaraca zlostavlja,
05:22
physically, emotionally, verbally, and other ways,
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fizički, emocionalno,
verbalno i na druge načine,
verbalno i na druge načine,
05:25
the women and girls, and the men and boys,
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žene i devojke, muškarce i dečake
05:27
that they claim to love? What's going on with men?
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za koje tvrde da ih vole?
Šta se dešava sa muškarcima?
Šta se dešava sa muškarcima?
05:30
Why do so many adult men sexually abuse little girls and little boys?
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Zašto toliko odraslih muškaraca seksualno
zlostavlja devojčice i dečake?
zlostavlja devojčice i dečake?
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Why is that a common problem in our society
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Zašto je to tako čest problem
u našem društvu
u našem društvu
05:35
and all over the world today?
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i širom sveta danas?
05:37
Why do we hear over and over again
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Zašto slušamo stalno iznova
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about new scandals erupting in major institutions
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o novim skandalima
koji izbijaju u velikim institucijama
koji izbijaju u velikim institucijama
05:43
like the Catholic Church or the Penn State football program
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poput katoličke crkve ili
fudbalskog programa države Pensilvanije
fudbalskog programa države Pensilvanije
05:45
or the Boy Scouts of America, on and on and on?
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ili Saveza izviđača Amerike
i tako dalje, i tako dalje?
i tako dalje, i tako dalje?
05:48
And then local communities all over the country
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A onda slede i lokalne zajednice
širom zemlje i sveta.
širom zemlje i sveta.
05:50
and all over the world, right? We hear about it all the time.
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Slušamo o tome sve vreme.
05:53
The sexual abuse of children.
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Seksualno uznemiravanje dece.
05:55
What's going on with men? Why do so many men rape women
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Šta se dešava sa muškarcima?
Zašto toliko muškaraca siluje žene
Zašto toliko muškaraca siluje žene
05:58
in our society and around the world?
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u našem društvu i celom svetu?
06:00
Why do so many men rape other men?
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Zašto toliko muškaraca
siluje druge muškarce?
siluje druge muškarce?
06:02
What is going on with men?
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Šta je to sa njima?
06:03
And then what is the role of the various institutions
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A šta je sa ulogom različitih institucija
u našem društvu
u našem društvu
06:07
in our society that are helping to produce abusive men
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koje potpomažu stvaranje
muškaraca zlostavljača
muškaraca zlostavljača
06:10
at pandemic rates?
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u pandemičnim razmerama?
06:11
Because this isn't about individual perpetrators.
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Jer ne radi se
o individualnim zločincima.
o individualnim zločincima.
06:13
That's a naive way to understanding what is a much deeper
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Ovo je naivan način da se shvati ono
što je mnogo dublji
što je mnogo dublji
06:16
and more systematic social problem.
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i sistematičniji društveni problem.
06:17
You know, the perpetrators aren't these
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Zločinci nisu
06:19
monsters who crawl out of the swamp
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meka čudovišta koja izranjaju iz bare
06:21
and come into town and do their nasty business
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i dolaze u grad
i obavljaju svoj gnusni posao
i obavljaju svoj gnusni posao
06:24
and then retreat into the darkness.
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i nestaju nazad u noć.
06:26
That's a very naive notion, right?
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Ovo je veoma naivno gledište, zar ne?
06:28
Perpetrators are much more normal than that,
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Zločinci su mnogo običniji od toga
06:30
and everyday than that.
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i svakodnevniji.
06:32
So the question is, what are we doing here
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Dakle, pitanje je šta mi činimo ovde
06:35
in our society and in the world?
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u našem društvu i u svetu?
06:36
What are the roles of various institutions
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Koje su uloge različitih institucija
06:38
in helping to produce abusive men?
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u stvaranju agresivnih muškaraca?
06:40
What's the role of religious belief systems,
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Koja je uloga religioznih
sistema verovanja,
sistema verovanja,
06:42
the sports culture, the pornography culture,
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sportske kulture, pornografske kulture,
06:45
the family structure, economics, and how that intersects,
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strukture porodice, ekonomije
i onoga kako se to ukršta,
i onoga kako se to ukršta,
06:47
and race and ethnicity and how that intersects?
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rase i nacionalnosti
i kako se one međusobno ukrštaju?
i kako se one međusobno ukrštaju?
06:49
How does all this work?
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Kako sve to funkcioniše?
06:51
And then, once we start making those kinds of connections
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Kad počnemo da pravimo takve veze
06:54
and asking those important and big questions,
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i postavljamo ova važna
i krupna pitanja,
i krupna pitanja,
06:57
then we can talk about how we can be transformative,
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tek tada možemo da govorimo o tome
kako se možemo menjati
kako se možemo menjati
06:59
in other words, how can we do something differently?
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ili drugim rečima, kako možemo
da uradimo nešto drugačije?
da uradimo nešto drugačije?
07:01
How can we change the practices?
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Kako možemo da promenimo praksu?
07:03
How can we change the socialization of boys
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Kako možemo promeniti
socijalizaciju dečaka
socijalizaciju dečaka
07:05
and the definitions of manhood that lead to these current outcomes?
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i definiciju muškosti koje dovode
do ovakvih ishoda danas?
do ovakvih ishoda danas?
07:09
These are the kind of questions that we need
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Ovo su neka od pitanja koja treba
07:11
to be asking and the kind of work that we need to be doing,
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da budu postavljena i neki od zadataka
koje treba da ispunimo
koje treba da ispunimo
07:13
but if we're endlessly focused on what women are doing
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ali ako smo beskrajno fokusirani
na ono što žene rade
na ono što žene rade
07:16
and thinking in relationships or elsewhere,
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i misle u vezama
ili na nekom drugom mestu,
ili na nekom drugom mestu,
07:19
we're not going to get to that piece.
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nećemo stići do cilja.
07:21
Now, I understand that a lot of women
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Razumem da dosta žena
07:23
who have been trying to speaking out about these issues,
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koje su pokušavale da govore javno
o ovim problemima,
o ovim problemima,
07:25
today and yesterday and for years and years,
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danas, juče i godinama unazad,
07:28
often get shouted down for their efforts.
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često budu ućutkane
kad ulože takve napore.
kad ulože takve napore.
07:30
They get called nasty names like "male-basher"
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Nazivaju ih imenima
poput: "protivnica muškaraca"
poput: "protivnica muškaraca"
07:33
and "man-hater,"
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ili "mrziteljka muškaraca"
07:34
and the disgusting and offensive "feminazi." Right?
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ili odvratno i uvredljivo:
"feminacista". Zar ne?
"feminacista". Zar ne?
07:41
And you know what all this is about?
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A znate o čemu se ovde radi?
07:43
It's called kill the messenger.
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Zove se: ubiti glasnika.
07:44
It's because the women who are standing up
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Zato što žene
koje se usprotive
koje se usprotive
07:46
and speaking out for themselves and for other women
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i govore javno u svoje ime
i u ime drugih žena,
i u ime drugih žena,
07:48
as well as for men and boys, it's a statement to them
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kao i u ime muškaraca i dečaka,
za njih je naredba da
za njih je naredba da
07:52
to sit down and shut up, keep the current system in place,
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sede i ćute, drže trenutno stanje
takvim kakvo je
takvim kakvo je
07:55
because we don't like it when people rock the boat.
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jer ne volimo ljude koji talasaju.
07:57
We don't like it when people challenge our power.
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Ne volimo kad ljudi
iskušavaju našu snagu.
iskušavaju našu snagu.
07:59
You'd better sit down and shut up, basically.
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Bolje sedi i ćuti, u suštini.
08:02
And thank goodness that women haven't done that.
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Hvala bogu da žene
nisu to uradile.
nisu to uradile.
08:04
Thank goodness that we live in a world
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Hvala bogu, živimo u vremenu
08:05
where there's so much women's leadership that can counteract that.
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gde ima toliko ženskog vođstva
koje se tome suprotstavlja.
koje se tome suprotstavlja.
08:09
But one of the powerful roles that men can play in this work
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Ali jedna od snažnih uloga koje muškarci
mogu odigrati u ovom poslu
mogu odigrati u ovom poslu
08:11
is that we can say some things
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je ta da možemo
da kažemo neke stvari
da kažemo neke stvari
08:13
that sometimes women can't say,
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koje žene ponekad
ne mogu da kažu
ne mogu da kažu
08:15
or, better yet, we can be heard saying some things
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ili, još bolje, mogu da nas čuju
da govorimo neke stvari
da govorimo neke stvari
08:17
that women often can't be heard saying.
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koje se od žena ne čuju često.
08:19
Now, I appreciate that that's a problem. It's sexism.
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Priznajem da je to problem.
To je seksizam.
To je seksizam.
08:22
But it's the truth. And so one of the things that I say to men,
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Ali to je istina. Jedna od stvari
koje uvek govorim muškarcima,
koje uvek govorim muškarcima,
08:24
and my colleagues and I always say this,
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i moje kolege takođe,
08:26
is we need more men who have the courage and the strength
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je da nam treba više muškaraca
koji imaju hrabrosti i snage
koji imaju hrabrosti i snage
08:28
to start standing up and saying some of this stuff,
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da počnu da govore
neke od ovih stvari,
neke od ovih stvari,
08:31
and standing with women and not against them
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i da stoje uz žene,
a ne protiv njih
a ne protiv njih
08:33
and pretending that somehow this is
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pretvarajući se da je ovo nekakva
08:35
a battle between the sexes and other kinds of nonsense.
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bitka između polova
ili neka slična glupost.
ili neka slična glupost.
08:37
We live in the world together.
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Živimo zajedno na ovom svetu.
08:39
And by the way, one of the things that really bothers me
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I uzgred, jedna od stvari
koja me zaista muči
koja me zaista muči
08:41
about some of the rhetoric against feminists and others
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u vezi sa jednim delom retorike
protiv feministkinja i onih
protiv feministkinja i onih
08:44
who have built the battered women's
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koji su stvorili "umlaćene žene"
08:45
and rape crisis movements around the world
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i pokrete protiv krize silovanja
širom sveta
širom sveta
08:48
is that somehow, like I said, that they're anti-male.
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je da je ona nekako,
kao što sam rekao, antimuška.
kao što sam rekao, antimuška.
08:50
What about all the boys who are profoundly affected
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Šta je sa dečacima
koji su duboko pogođeni
koji su duboko pogođeni
08:53
in a negative way by what some adult man is doing
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na negativan način
onim što odrasli muškarci rade
onim što odrasli muškarci rade
08:55
against their mother, themselves, their sisters?
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protiv njihovih majki i sestara,
njih samih?
njih samih?
08:58
What about all those boys?
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Šta je sa tim dečacima?
09:01
What about all the young men and boys
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Šta je sa svim momcima i dečacima
09:02
who have been traumatized by adult men's violence?
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koji su pretrpeli traume od nasilja
odraslih muškaraca?
odraslih muškaraca?
09:04
You know what? The same system that produces
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Znate šta? Isti sistem proizvodi
09:06
men who abuse women produces men who abuse other men.
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i one koji zlostavljaju žene
i one koji zlostavljaju druge muškarce.
i one koji zlostavljaju druge muškarce.
09:09
And if we want to talk about male victims,
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Ako želimo da govorimo
o muškim žrtvama
o muškim žrtvama
09:10
let's talk about male victims.
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hajde da se osvrnemo malo na njih.
09:12
Most male victims of violence are the victims of other men's violence.
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Najveći broj muških žrtava nasilja
su oni koje su muškarci zlostavljali.
su oni koje su muškarci zlostavljali.
09:16
So that's something that both women and men have in common.
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Tako da je to ono što i muškarci
i žene imaju zajedničko.
i žene imaju zajedničko.
09:18
We are both victims of men's violence.
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Svi smo žrtve muškog nasilja.
09:20
So we have it in our direct self-interest,
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To nam je direktno u interesu,
09:22
not to mention the fact that most men that I know
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da ne pominjem činjenicu
da većina muškaraca koje poznajem
da većina muškaraca koje poznajem
09:25
have women and girls that we care deeply about,
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imaju žene i devojčice
za koje se veoma brinemo,
za koje se veoma brinemo,
09:27
in our families and our friendship circles and every other way.
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u svojim porodicama i krugovima prijatelja
i na bilo koji drugi način.
i na bilo koji drugi način.
09:31
So there's so many reasons why we need men to speak out.
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Tako da postoji mnogo razloga zašto
muškarci treba da govore javno.
muškarci treba da govore javno.
09:34
It seems obvious saying it out loud. Doesn't it?
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Deluje očigledno
kad se to kaže. Zar ne?
kad se to kaže. Zar ne?
09:37
Now, the nature of the work that I do and my colleagues do
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Priroda posla kojim se
moje kolege i ja bavimo,
moje kolege i ja bavimo,
09:41
in the sports culture and the U.S. military, in schools,
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u sportskoj kulturi
i američkoj vojsci, u školama -
i američkoj vojsci, u školama -
09:45
we pioneered this approach called the bystander approach
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pokrenuli smo ovaj pristup
koji zovemo posmatrački pristup
koji zovemo posmatrački pristup
09:47
to gender violence prevention.
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sprečavanju rodnog nasilja.
09:49
And I just want to give you the highlights of the bystander approach,
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Želeo bih da vam istaknem
karakteristike posmatračkog pristupa
karakteristike posmatračkog pristupa
09:51
because it's a big thematic shift,
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jer je to veliki tematski pomak,
09:55
although there's lots of particulars,
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iako postoji još puno specifičnosti,
09:57
but the heart of it is, instead of seeing men as perpetrators
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ali srž ovoga je, umesto gledanja
na muškarce kao na zločince
na muškarce kao na zločince
10:00
and women as victims,
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i žene kao žrtve,
10:02
or women as perpetrators, men as victims,
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ili žene kao zločince,
a muškarce kao žrtve,
a muškarce kao žrtve,
10:05
or any combination in there.
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ili bilo koju od kombinacija.
10:07
I'm using the gender binary. I know there's more
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Koristim rodnu dvojakost.
Znam da tu ima mnogo više
Znam da tu ima mnogo više
10:08
than men and women, there's more than male and female.
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od muškaraca i žena,
mnogo više od muškog i ženskog.
mnogo više od muškog i ženskog.
10:11
And there are women who are perpetrators,
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Postoje i žene kao zločinci
10:12
and of course there are men who are victims.
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i naravno muškarci kao žrtve.
10:15
There's a whole spectrum.
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To je čitav sprektar.
10:16
But instead of seeing it in the binary fashion,
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Ali umesto dvojakog posmatranja,
10:18
we focus on all of us as what we call bystanders,
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fokusiramo se
na sve nas kao posmatrače,
na sve nas kao posmatrače,
10:21
and a bystander is defined as anybody who is not
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a posmatrač je definisan
kao neko ko nije
kao neko ko nije
10:24
a perpetrator or a victim in a given situation,
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zločinac ili žrtva u datoj situaciji,
10:27
so in other words friends, teammates, colleagues,
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drugim rečima:
prijatelji, članovi tima, kolege,
prijatelji, članovi tima, kolege,
10:30
coworkers, family members, those of us
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članovi porodice, svi mi
10:32
who are not directly involved in a dyad of abuse,
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koji nismo direktno uključeni
u dijadu zlostavljanja,
u dijadu zlostavljanja,
10:35
but we are embedded in social, family, work, school,
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ali smo ukorenjeni u društvo,
porodicu, posao, školu
porodicu, posao, školu
10:38
and other peer culture relationships with people
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i druge sfere kulturnih veza
sa ljudima
sa ljudima
10:41
who might be in that situation. What do we do?
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koji se mogu naći u takvoj situaciji.
Šta mi radimo?
Šta mi radimo?
10:43
How do we speak up? How do we challenge our friends?
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Kako o tome govorimo?
Kako preispitujemo svoje prijatelje?
Kako preispitujemo svoje prijatelje?
10:45
How do we support our friends? But how do we not
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Kako ih podržavamo?
Kako ne ostajemo
Kako ne ostajemo
10:47
remain silent in the face of abuse?
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nemi na nasilje?
10:50
Now, when it comes to men and male culture,
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Kada se radi o muškarcima
i muškoj kulturi,
i muškoj kulturi,
10:52
the goal is to get men who are not abusive
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cilj je da dopremo do muškaraca
koji nisu zlostavljači
koji nisu zlostavljači
10:55
to challenge men who are.
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da izazovu muškarce koji to jesu.
10:56
And when I say abusive, I don't mean just
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A kad kažem zlostavljači,
ne mislim samo
ne mislim samo
10:58
men who are beating women.
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na one koji tuku žene.
10:59
We're not just saying a man whose friend
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Ne govorimo da muškarac čiji prijatelj
11:03
is abusing his girlfriend needs to stop the guy
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zlostavlja svoju devojku
treba da zaustavi njega
treba da zaustavi njega
11:06
at the moment of attack.
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u momentu napada.
11:07
That's a naive way of creating a social change.
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To je naivan način stvaranja
društvenih promena.
društvenih promena.
11:11
It's along a continuum, we're trying to get men
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Radi se o kontinuitetu,
pokušavamo da nateramo muškarce
pokušavamo da nateramo muškarce
11:14
to interrupt each other.
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da prekinu jedni druge.
11:15
So, for example, if you're a guy and you're in a group of guys
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Na primer, ukoliko ste muškarac
i nalazite se u grupi muškaraca
i nalazite se u grupi muškaraca
11:18
playing poker, talking, hanging out, no women present,
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koji igraju poker, pričaju,
druže se, bez prisustva žena
druže se, bez prisustva žena
11:21
and another guy says something sexist or degrading
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i drugi muškarac kaže nešto
seksistički, degradirajuće
seksistički, degradirajuće
11:24
or harassing about women,
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ili neprimereno o ženama,
11:27
instead of laughing along or pretending you didn't hear it,
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umesto smejanja i pretvaranja
da niste čuli to,
da niste čuli to,
11:30
we need men to say, "Hey, that's not funny.
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treba da postoji muškarac koji će reći:
"Hej, to nije smešno.
"Hej, to nije smešno.
11:32
You know, that could be my sister you're talking about,
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To bi mogla biti moja sestra
o kojoj govoriš.
o kojoj govoriš.
11:34
and could you joke about something else?
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Možeš li da se šališ
na račun nečeg drugog?"
na račun nečeg drugog?"
11:36
Or could you talk about something else?
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Ili: "Da li bi mogao da govoriš
o nečemu drugom?
o nečemu drugom?
11:37
I don't appreciate that kind of talk."
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Ne sviđa mi se ta vrsta razgovora."
11:39
Just like if you're a white person and another white person
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Isto kao i u situaciji kad ste belac
i druga bela osoba
i druga bela osoba
11:42
makes a racist comment, you'd hope, I hope,
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daje rasističke komentare, nadamo se
11:44
that white people would interrupt that racist enactment
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da bi belci trebalo da prekinu
11:48
by a fellow white person.
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tu rasističku priču.
11:49
Just like with heterosexism, if you're a heterosexual person
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Kao i kod heteroseksualizma,
ukoliko ste heteorseksualac,
ukoliko ste heteorseksualac,
11:51
and you yourself don't enact harassing or abusive behaviors
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i ne ponašate se mučiteljski
ili zlostavljački
ili zlostavljački
11:55
towards people of varying sexual orientations,
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protiv ljudi raznih
seksualnih opredeljenja,
seksualnih opredeljenja,
11:57
if you don't say something in the face of other heterosexual people doing that,
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ako ne kažete nešto u lice drugom
heteroseksualcu koji se ponaša tako,
heteroseksualcu koji se ponaša tako,
12:00
then, in a sense, isn't your silence
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u tom slučaju,
zar nije vaše ćutanje
zar nije vaše ćutanje
12:02
a form of consent and complicity?
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neka vrsta saglasnosti
i saučesništva?
i saučesništva?
12:04
Well, the bystander approach is trying to give people tools
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Posmatrački pristup pokušava
da pruži ljudima alate
da pruži ljudima alate
12:06
to interrupt that process and to speak up
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kojima će prekinuti taj proces
i pričati glasno o problemu
i pričati glasno o problemu
12:09
and to create a peer culture climate
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i stvoriti kulturnu klimu
u vršnjačkoj grupi
u vršnjačkoj grupi
12:11
where the abusive behavior will be seen as unacceptable,
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gde će zlostavljanje biti viđeno
kao neprihvatljivo
kao neprihvatljivo
12:13
not just because it's illegal, but because it's wrong
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ne samo zato što je ono ilegalno,
već zato što je loše
već zato što je loše
12:17
and unacceptable in the peer culture.
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i neprihvatljivo u vršnjačkoj kulturi.
12:19
And if we can get to the place where men
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Ako bismo mogli da dođemo
do nivoa gde će muškarci
do nivoa gde će muškarci
12:21
who act out in sexist ways will lose status,
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koji se ponašaju seksistički
izgubiti svoj status,
izgubiti svoj status,
12:23
young men and boys who act out in sexist
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mladi muškarci i dečaci
koji se ponašaju seksistički
koji se ponašaju seksistički
12:25
and harassing ways towards girls and women,
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i agresivno prema
devojkama i ženama,
devojkama i ženama,
12:27
as well as towards other boys and men,
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kao i prema drugim dečacima
i muškarcima,
i muškarcima,
12:29
will lose status as a result of it, guess what?
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izgubiti status kao rezultat tih radnji.
Šta će se tad desiti?
Šta će se tad desiti?
12:32
We'll see a radical diminution of the abuse.
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Tada ćemo videti drastično
smanjenje zlostavljanja.
smanjenje zlostavljanja.
12:35
Because the typical perpetrator is not sick and twisted.
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Jer tipičan zlostavljač
nije bolestan i uvrnut.
nije bolestan i uvrnut.
12:37
He's a normal guy in every other way. Isn't he?
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On je normalan čovek
u svakom drugom pogledu. Zar ne?
u svakom drugom pogledu. Zar ne?
12:40
Now, among the many great things that Martin Luther King
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Među velikim brojem sjajnih stvari
koje je Martin Luter King rekao
koje je Martin Luter King rekao
12:44
said in his short life was,
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u svom kratkom životu
bilo je:
bilo je:
12:45
"In the end, what will hurt the most
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"Na kraju, ono što će najviše boleti
12:47
is not the words of our enemies
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nisu reči neprijatelja
12:49
but the silence of our friends."
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već ćutanje naših prijatelja."
12:50
In the end, what will hurt the most is not the words
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Na kraju ono što će nas
najviše boleti nisu reči
najviše boleti nisu reči
12:53
of our enemies but the silence of our friends.
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naših neprijatelja
već ćutanje naših prijatelja.
već ćutanje naših prijatelja.
12:55
There's been an awful lot of silence in male culture
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Bilo je veoma puno ćutanja
u muškoj kulturi
u muškoj kulturi
12:57
about this ongoing tragedy of men's violence
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o ovoj tekućoj tragediji
muškog nasilja
muškog nasilja
13:00
against women and children, hasn't there?
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nad ženama i decom, zar ne?
13:02
There's been an awful lot of silence.
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Bilo je previše ćutanja.
13:03
And all I'm saying is that we need to break that silence,
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Sve što hoću da kažem je
da treba da prekinemo ćutanje
da treba da prekinemo ćutanje
13:07
and we need more men to do that.
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i treba nam da to učini više muškaraca.
13:09
Now, it's easier said than done,
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Naravno, lakše je reći nego učiniti,
13:12
because I'm saying it now, but I'm telling you it's not easy
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jer ja sad o tome govorim,
ali govorim vam da nije lako
ali govorim vam da nije lako
13:15
in male culture for guys to challenge each other,
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u muškoj kulturi za muškarce
da izazovu jedni druge,
da izazovu jedni druge,
13:18
which is one of the reasons why
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što je jedan od razloga zašto
13:20
part of the paradigm shift that has to happen
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deo promene obrasca
koja treba da se desi
koja treba da se desi
13:22
is not just understanding these issues as men's issues,
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nije samo shvatanje
ovih problema kao muških,
ovih problema kao muških,
13:25
but they're also leadership issues for men.
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već su oni takođe problemi
vođstva za muškarce.
vođstva za muškarce.
13:27
Because ultimately, the responsibility for taking a stand
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Jer konačno, odgovornost
za suprotstavljanje
za suprotstavljanje
13:30
on these issues should not fall on the shoulders
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ovim problemima
ne treba da padne na ramena
ne treba da padne na ramena
13:32
of little boys or teenage boys in high school
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malih dečaka, tinejdžera
u srednjim školama
u srednjim školama
13:35
or college men. It should be on adult men with power.
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ili studenata. Treba da bude odgovornost
odraslih muškaraca koji imaju moć.
odraslih muškaraca koji imaju moć.
13:38
Adult men with power are the ones we need to be holding accountable
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Odrasli muškarci koji imaju moć su oni
koje treba da smatramo odgovornim
koje treba da smatramo odgovornim
13:41
for being leaders on these issues,
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za poziciju vođa u ovim problemima,
13:42
because when somebody speaks up in a peer culture
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jer kad neko govori javno
u vršnjačkoj kulturi
u vršnjačkoj kulturi
13:45
and challenges and interrupts, he or she
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i izaziva i sprečava, on ili ona
13:47
is being a leader, really, right?
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je zaista vođa, zar ne?
13:50
But on a big scale, we need more adult men with power
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Ali na višem nivou, treba nam
više muškaraca koji imaju moć
više muškaraca koji imaju moć
13:53
to start prioritizing these issues,
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da počnemo da dajemo prednost
ovim problemima,
ovim problemima,
13:55
and we haven't seen that yet, have we?
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a to nismo još uvek videli,
zar ne?
zar ne?
13:57
Now, I was at a dinner a number of years ago,
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Bio sam na večeri
pre nekoliko godina,
pre nekoliko godina,
14:01
and I work extensively with the U.S. military, all the services.
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radim intenzivno sa američkom vojskom,
sa svim službama.
sa svim službama.
14:04
And I was at this dinner and this woman said to me --
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I bio sam na večeri
i jedna žena me je pitala,
i jedna žena me je pitala,
14:07
I think she thought she was a little clever -- she said,
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mislim da je smatrala da je
pomalo lukava, pitala je:
pomalo lukava, pitala je:
14:10
"So how long have you been doing sensitivity training
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"Koliko dugo radite
treninge osetljivosti
treninge osetljivosti
14:13
with the Marines?"
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sa marincima?"
14:15
And I said, "With all due respect,
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Rekao sam joj:
"Uz svo dužno poštovanje
"Uz svo dužno poštovanje
14:18
I don't do sensitivity training with the Marines.
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ja ne radim trenige osetljivosti
sa marincima.
sa marincima.
14:20
I run a leadership program in the Marine Corps."
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Ja vodim program liderstva
u Korpusu mornaričke pešadije."
u Korpusu mornaričke pešadije."
14:23
Now, I know it's a bit pompous, my response,
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Znam da je moj odgovor
pomalo pompezan,
pomalo pompezan,
14:25
but it's an important distinction, because I don't believe
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ali je važna razlika, jer ne verujem
14:28
that what we need is sensitivity training.
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da nam treba obuka osetljivosti.
14:30
We need leadership training, because, for example,
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Treba nam obuka vođstva,
jer, na primer,
jer, na primer,
14:32
when a professional coach or a manager of a baseball team
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kad profesionalni trener
ili menadžer bejzbol
ili menadžer bejzbol
14:35
or a football team -- and I work extensively in that realm as well --
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ili fudbalskog tima,
a radim dosta i u tom sektoru,
a radim dosta i u tom sektoru,
14:38
makes a sexist comment, makes a homophobic statement,
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daje seksističke komentare,
homofobične izjave
homofobične izjave
14:42
makes a racist comment, there will be discussions
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ili čak rasističke,
pokrenuće se diskusije
pokrenuće se diskusije
14:44
on the sports blogs and in sports talk radio.
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na sportskim blogovima
ili sportskim radio emisijama.
ili sportskim radio emisijama.
14:47
And some people will say, "Well, he needs sensitivity training."
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Neki ljudi će reći:
"Pa, treba nam obuka osetljivosti."
"Pa, treba nam obuka osetljivosti."
14:49
And other people will say, "Well get off it.
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A drugi će reći: "Ma ne treba.
14:50
You know, that's political correctness run amok,
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Znate, to je besomučna
politička korektnost
politička korektnost
14:52
and he made a stupid statement. Move on."
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i on je dao glupu izjavu.
Produži dalje."
Produži dalje."
14:54
My argument is, he doesn't need sensitivity training.
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Moj argument je: ne treba mu
obuka osetljivosti.
obuka osetljivosti.
14:57
He needs leadership training,
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Treba mu obuka o vođstvu
14:58
because he's being a bad leader, because in a society
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jer je on loš vođa, jer u društvu
15:01
with gender diversity and sexual diversity --
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sa rodnom i seksualnom različitošću -
15:04
(Applause) —
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(Aplauz) -
15:05
and racial and ethnic diversity, you make
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i rasnom i etničkom raznovrsnošći,
vi dajete
vi dajete
15:07
those kind of comments, you're failing at your leadership.
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tu vrstu komentara
i ne uspevate u svom vođstvu.
i ne uspevate u svom vođstvu.
15:09
If we can make this point that I'm making
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Kad bismo mogli da prenesemo poruku
koju pokušavam da prenesem
koju pokušavam da prenesem
15:12
to powerful men and women in our society
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moćnim muškarcima
i ženama u našem društvu
i ženama u našem društvu
15:15
at all levels of institutional authority and power,
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na svim nivoima institucionalnog
autoriteta i moći,
autoriteta i moći,
15:18
it's going to change, it's going to change
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promeniće se
15:20
the paradigm of people's thinking.
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modeli judskog razmišljanja.
15:22
You know, for example, I work a lot
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Na primer, radim dosta
15:24
in college and university athletics throughout North America.
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na atletici na koledžima i univerzitetima
širom Severne Amerike.
širom Severne Amerike.
15:28
We know so much about how to prevent
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Znamo toliko o tome kako sprečiti
15:30
domestic and sexual violence, right?
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porodično i seksualno nasilje, zar ne?
15:32
There's no excuse for a college or university
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Nema izgovora za koledže i univerzitete
15:36
to not have domestic and sexual violence prevention training
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da nemaju obuku sprečavanja
porodičnog i seksualnog nasilja
porodičnog i seksualnog nasilja
15:38
mandated for all student athletes, coaches, administrators,
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namenjenu svim studentima sportistima,
trenerima, administratorima
trenerima, administratorima
15:41
as part of their educational process.
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kao deo njihovog obrazovnog procesa.
15:43
We know enough to know that we can easily do that.
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Znamo dovoljno o tome da možemo
jednostavno to da uradimo.
jednostavno to da uradimo.
15:46
But you know what's missing? The leadership.
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Ali znate šta nedostaje?
Vođstvo.
Vođstvo.
15:48
But it's not the leadership of student athletes.
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Ali to nije vođstvo
studenata sportista.
studenata sportista.
15:50
It's the leadership of the athletic director,
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To je vođstvo rukovodioca sportista,
15:51
the president of the university, the people in charge
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predsednika univerziteta,
ljudi koji su odgovorni,
ljudi koji su odgovorni,
15:54
who make decisions about resources
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onih koji donose odluke o izvorima
15:56
and who make decisions about priorities in the institutional settings.
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i onih koji odlučuju o prioritetima
u institucionalnim okvirima.
u institucionalnim okvirima.
15:59
That's a failure, in most cases, of men's leadership.
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U većini slučajeva,
to je neuspeh muškog vođstva.
to je neuspeh muškog vođstva.
16:03
Look at Penn State. Penn State is the mother
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Pogledajte Univerzitet u Pensilvaniji.
On je najbolji od svih
On je najbolji od svih
16:06
of all teachable moments for the bystander approach.
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momenata za podučavanje
posmatračkog pristupa.
posmatračkog pristupa.
16:08
You had so many situations in that realm
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Imali ste toliko situacija
u toj oblasti
u toj oblasti
16:11
where men in powerful positions failed to act
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gde muškarci na visokim pozicijama
nisu uspeli
nisu uspeli
16:14
to protect children, in this case, boys.
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da odbrane decu,
u ovom slučaju dečake.
u ovom slučaju dečake.
16:17
It's unbelievable, really. But when you get into it,
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Neverovatno je, zaista.
Ali kad uđete u tu priču,
Ali kad uđete u tu priču,
16:19
you realize there are pressures on men.
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1930
shvatite da postoje veliki pritisci
na muškarce.
na muškarce.
16:21
There are constraints within peer cultures on men,
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Postoje prepreke za njih
u vršnjačkim kulturama
u vršnjačkim kulturama
16:24
which is why we need to encourage men
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2315
što je razlog zašto treba
da ohrabrujemo muškarce
da ohrabrujemo muškarce
16:26
to break through those pressures.
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1872
da se odupru tim ograničenjima.
16:28
And one of the ways to do that is to say
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Jedan od načina
da se to učini je da se kaže
da se to učini je da se kaže
16:29
there's an awful lot of men who care deeply about these issues.
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2663
da postoji ogroman broj muškaraca
koji zaista brine o tim problemima.
koji zaista brine o tim problemima.
16:32
I know this. I work with men,
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Znam to. Radim sa muškarcima,
16:33
and I've been working with tens of thousands,
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i radio sam sa desetinama hiljada,
16:35
hundreds of thousands of men for many, many decades now.
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stotinama hiljada muškaraca
već mnogo decenija.
već mnogo decenija.
16:38
It's scary, when you think about it, how many years.
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2894
Strašno je kada mislite o tome,
koliko je je to godina.
koliko je je to godina.
16:41
But there's so many men who care deeply about these issues,
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3852
Ali tu je toliko mnogo muškaraca kojima
je istinski stalo do ovih problema,
je istinski stalo do ovih problema,
16:45
but caring deeply is not enough.
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ali sama briga nije dovoljna.
16:47
We need more men with the guts,
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Treba nam više muškaraca
sa smelošću,
sa smelošću,
16:50
with the courage, with the strength, with the moral integrity
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3239
sa hrabrošću, snagom,
moralnim integritetom
moralnim integritetom
16:53
to break our complicit silence and challenge each other
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da prekinu kolektivno ćutanje
i izazovu jedni druge
i izazovu jedni druge
16:57
and stand with women and not against them.
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i stanu uz žene, a ne protiv njih.
16:59
By the way, we owe it to women.
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Inače, mi to i dugujemo ženama.
17:01
There's no question about it.
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Nema sumnje.
17:02
But we also owe it to our sons.
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Ali dugujemo i svojim sinovima.
17:04
We also owe it to young men who are growing up
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Takođe, dugujemo
mladim muškarcima koji rastu
mladim muškarcima koji rastu
17:06
all over the world in situations where they didn't make the choice
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širom sveta u situacijama
gde nisu izabrali
gde nisu izabrali
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to be a man in a culture that tells them
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da budu muškarci u kulturi
koja im govori
koja im govori
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that manhood is a certain way.
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da je muškost određeni način.
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They didn't make the choice.
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Oni to nisu odabrali.
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We that have a choice have an opportunity
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Mi koji imamo izbor, imamo i priliku
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and a responsibility to them as well.
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i odgovornost i za njih.
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I hope that, going forward, men and women,
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Nadam se da će ubuduće
muškarci i žene,
muškarci i žene,
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working together, can begin the change
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radeći zajedno,
moći da započnu promenu
moći da započnu promenu
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and the transformation that will happen
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i preobražaj koji će se desiti
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so that future generations won't have the level of tragedy
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tako da buduće generacije
neće imati onaj nivo tragedije
neće imati onaj nivo tragedije
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that we deal with on a daily basis.
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sa kojim se mi svakodnevno borimo.
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I know we can do it. We can do better.
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Znam da možemo to.
Možemo bolje.
Možemo bolje.
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Thank you very much. (Applause)
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Hvala vam mnogo.
(Aplauz)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jackson Katz - Anti-sexism educatorJackson Katz asks a very important question that gets at the root of why sexual abuse, rape and domestic abuse remain a problem: What's going on with men?
Why you should listen
Jackson Katz is an educator, author, filmmaker and cultural theorist who is a pioneer in the fields of gender violence prevention education and media literacy. He is co-founder of Mentors in Violence Prevention (MVP), which enlists men in the struggle to prevent men’s violence against women. Celebrating its 20th anniversary this year, MVP has become a widely used sexual and domestic violence prevention initiative in college and professional athletics across North America. Katz and his MVP colleagues have also worked extensively with schools, youth sports associations and community organizations, as well as with all major branches of the U.S. military.
Katz is the creator of popular educational videos including Tough Guise: Violence, Media and the Crisis in Masculinity. He is the author of The Macho Paradox: Why Some Men Hurt Women and How All Men Can Help and Leading Men: Presidential Campaigns and the Politics of Manhood. He has also appeared in several documentaries, including Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes and MissRepresentation.
Jackson Katz | Speaker | TED.com