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Theaster Gates: How to revive a neighborhood: with imagination, beauty and art
Tijester Gejts (Theaster Gates): Kako oživeti neki kraj - maštom, lepotom i umetnošću
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Tijester Gejts, grnčar po struci, a društveni aktivista po zvanju, želeo je da uradi nešto dobro zbog žalosnog stanja u njegovom kraju, u južnom delu Čikaga. To je i učinio, pretvorivši napuštene zgrade u centre zajednice, koji povezuju i inspirišu one koji još žive tamo (i da privuče i one koji nisu odande). U ovom strastvenom govoru Gejts opisuje svoje napore da izgradi minijaturni Versaj u Čikagu i deli sa nama svoje žarko ubeđenje da kultura može da bude katalizator za društveni preobražaj u bilo kom gradu, bilo gde.
Theaster Gates - Artist, potter, community builder
Theaster Gates is a potter whose ambitions stretch far beyond the wheel and the kiln. In Chicago, his leadership of artist-led spaces has catalyzed interest and excitement in a formerly neglected neighborhood, as he uses culture as a transformational weapon. Full bio
Theaster Gates is a potter whose ambitions stretch far beyond the wheel and the kiln. In Chicago, his leadership of artist-led spaces has catalyzed interest and excitement in a formerly neglected neighborhood, as he uses culture as a transformational weapon. Full bio
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Ja sam grnčar,
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I'm a potter,
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which seems like a fairly humble vocation.
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što deluje kao prilično skromno zanimanje.
00:21
I know a lot about pots.
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Mnogo znam o ćupovima.
Pravim ih oko petnaest godina.
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I've spent about 15 years making them.
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One of the things that really
excites me in my artistic practice
excites me in my artistic practice
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Ono što me zaista uzbuđuje
tokom umetničkog rada
tokom umetničkog rada
00:31
and being trained as a potter
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i školovanja za grnčara
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is that you very quickly learn
how to make great things out of nothing;
how to make great things out of nothing;
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je da brzo naučite kako da napravite
nešto sjajno ni od čega;
nešto sjajno ni od čega;
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that I spent a lot of time at my wheel
with mounds of clay trying stuff;
with mounds of clay trying stuff;
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to da sam mnogo vremena proveo za točkom
sa brdom gline, isprobavajući stvari,
sa brdom gline, isprobavajući stvari,
00:46
and that the limitations
of my capacity, my ability,
of my capacity, my ability,
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kao i to da su granice
mojih kapaciteta i sposobnosti
mojih kapaciteta i sposobnosti
00:49
was based on my hands and my imagination;
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zasnovane na mojim rukama i mašti;
00:52
that if I wanted to make
a really nice bowl
a really nice bowl
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to da, ako sam hteo
da napravim stvarno lepu činiju,
da napravim stvarno lepu činiju,
00:54
and I didn't know how to make a foot yet,
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a nisam znao da napravim postolje,
morao sam i to da naučim
00:56
I would have to learn how to make a foot;
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i da mi je taj proces učenja
mnogo pomogao u životu.
mnogo pomogao u životu.
00:59
that that process of learning
has been very, very helpful to my life.
has been very, very helpful to my life.
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Osećam da, kao grnčar,
01:04
I feel like, as a potter,
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počinjete da učite
kako da oblikujete svet.
kako da oblikujete svet.
01:06
you also start to learn
how to shape the world.
how to shape the world.
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There have been times
in my artistic capacity
in my artistic capacity
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Često sam, kao umetnik
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that I wanted to reflect
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želeo da se osvrnem
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on other really important moments
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na važne trenutke
iz istorije SAD ili sveta,
iz istorije SAD ili sveta,
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in the history of the U.S.,
the history of the world
the history of the world
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gde se dešavaju teške stvari,
01:23
where tough things happened,
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but how do you talk about tough ideas
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ali kako govoriti o teškim stvarima
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without separating people
from that content?
from that content?
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bez izdvajanja ljudi iz konteksta?
Da li sam mogao da iskoristim umetnost
01:32
Could I use art like these old,
discontinued firehoses from Alabama,
discontinued firehoses from Alabama,
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kao što su ova stara,
iskidana vatrogasna creva iz Alabame
iskidana vatrogasna creva iz Alabame
da bih govorio o složenosti
građanskih prava '60-ih godina?
građanskih prava '60-ih godina?
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to talk about the complexities of a moment
of civil rights in the '60s?
of civil rights in the '60s?
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Da li je moguće da govorim
o očevim i mojim radnim projektima?
o očevim i mojim radnim projektima?
01:43
Is it possible to talk about my father
and I doing labor projects?
and I doing labor projects?
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Moj otac je bio krovopokrivač,
građevinac, mali preduzimač,
građevinac, mali preduzimač,
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My dad was a roofer, construction guy,
he owned small businesses,
he owned small businesses,
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a sa 80 se penzionisao,
a ja nasledio njegov kotlić za katran.
a ja nasledio njegov kotlić za katran.
01:52
and at 80, he was ready to retire
and his tar kettle was my inheritance.
and his tar kettle was my inheritance.
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Kotlić za katran ne zvuči
kao neko nasledstvo. I nije.
kao neko nasledstvo. I nije.
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Now, a tar kettle doesn't sound
like much of an inheritance. It wasn't.
like much of an inheritance. It wasn't.
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Bio je smrdljiv i zauzimao je
mnogo prostora u mom ateljeu,
mnogo prostora u mom ateljeu,
02:03
It was stinky and it took up
a lot of space in my studio,
a lot of space in my studio,
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ali sam upitao oca da li ima volje
da zajedno stvaramo umetnost,
da zajedno stvaramo umetnost,
02:07
but I asked my dad if he would be willing
to make some art with me,
to make some art with me,
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if we could reimagine this kind
of nothing material
of nothing material
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da li bismo mogli da ponovo osmislimo,
da ni iz čega stvorimo nešto posebno
da ni iz čega stvorimo nešto posebno
02:15
as something very special.
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i da li bismo kroz uzdizanje
ovog materijala i kroz očevu veštinu
ovog materijala i kroz očevu veštinu
02:18
And by elevating the material
and my dad's skill,
and my dad's skill,
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could we start to think about tar
just like clay, in a new way,
just like clay, in a new way,
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mogli da započnemo razmišljanje
o katranu na nov način, kao o glini,
o katranu na nov način, kao o glini,
oblikujući ga na drugi način,
02:27
shaping it differently,
helping us to imagine what was possible?
helping us to imagine what was possible?
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što bi nam pomoglo
da zamislimo šta bi bilo moguće.
da zamislimo šta bi bilo moguće.
Posle gline, okrenuo sam se
različitim materijalima
različitim materijalima
02:33
After clay, I was then kind of turned on
to lots of different kinds of materials,
to lots of different kinds of materials,
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and my studio grew a lot
because I thought, well,
because I thought, well,
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i moj atelje se prilično razvio,
jer sam mislio:
jer sam mislio:
„Nije stvar samo u materijalu,
već u sposobnosti preoblikovanja.“
već u sposobnosti preoblikovanja.“
02:40
it's not really about the material,
it's about our capacity to shape things.
it's about our capacity to shape things.
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Postao sam sve zainteresovaniji
za ideje i sve više stvari
za ideje i sve više stvari
02:44
I became more and more interested in ideas
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and more and more things that
were happening just outside my studio.
were happening just outside my studio.
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koje su se dešavale izvan ateljea.
02:53
Just to give you a little bit of context,
I live in Chicago.
I live in Chicago.
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Da biste imali bolju predstavu,
živim u Čikagu.
živim u Čikagu.
Sad živim u južnom delu,
ali potičem iz zapadnog Čikaga.
ali potičem iz zapadnog Čikaga.
02:57
I live on the South Side now.
I'm a West Sider.
I'm a West Sider.
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Za one koji nisu iz Čikaga
ovo ništa ne znači,
ovo ništa ne znači,
03:00
For those of you who are not Chicagoans,
that won't mean anything,
that won't mean anything,
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ali da nisam pomenuo
da sam iz južnog dela,
da sam iz južnog dela,
03:03
but if I didn't mention
that I was a West Sider,
that I was a West Sider,
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mnogi bi se u tom gradu naljutili.
03:06
there would be a lot of people
in the city that would be very upset.
in the city that would be very upset.
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Živim u blizini Grand Krosinga.
03:10
The neighborhood that I live in
is Grand Crossing.
is Grand Crossing.
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It's a neighborhood
that has seen better days.
that has seen better days.
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Ovaj kraj je imao i lepše periode.
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It is not a gated community by far.
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Nije uopšte zatvorena zajednica.
Mnogi napuštaju moj kraj,
03:21
There is lots of abandonment
in my neighborhood,
in my neighborhood,
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03:24
and while I was kind of busy
making pots and busy making art
making pots and busy making art
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a dok sam ja bio zauzet grnčarijom
i stvaranjem umetničkih dela
i umetničke karijere,
i umetničke karijere,
03:27
and having a good art career,
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svašta se dešavalo
u neposrednoj blizini mog ateljea.
u neposrednoj blizini mog ateljea.
03:29
there was all of this stuff
that was happening
that was happening
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just outside my studio.
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All of us know about
failing housing markets
failing housing markets
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Svi smo upoznati
sa neuspehom na stambenom tržištu,
sa neuspehom na stambenom tržištu,
sa izazovima propadanja,
03:37
and the challenges of blight,
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and I feel like we talk about it
with some of our cities more than others,
with some of our cities more than others,
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a imam osećaj da više pominjemo
neke gradove u odnosu na druge,
neke gradove u odnosu na druge,
ali mislim i da se mnogi američki,
a i drugi gradovi,
a i drugi gradovi,
03:43
but I think a lot of our
U.S. cities and beyond
U.S. cities and beyond
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suočavaju sa izazovom propadanja,
03:45
have the challenge of blight,
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napuštenim zgradama
sa kojima ljudi više ne znaju šta da rade.
sa kojima ljudi više ne znaju šta da rade.
03:48
abandoned buildings that people
no longer know what to do anything with.
no longer know what to do anything with.
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Pomislio sam: „Da li postoji način
03:52
And so I thought, is there a way
that I could start to think
that I could start to think
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about these buildings as an extension
or an expansion of my artistic practice?
or an expansion of my artistic practice?
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da ove zgrade postanu produžetak
ili proširenje moje umetničke prakse?“
ili proširenje moje umetničke prakse?“
Ako bih podelio mišljenje
sa drugim kreativcima -
sa drugim kreativcima -
04:00
And that if I was thinking
along with other creatives --
along with other creatives --
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arhitektama, inženjerima,
04:03
architects, engineers,
real estate finance people --
real estate finance people --
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ljudima koji se bave finansijama
u poslu sa nekretninama -
u poslu sa nekretninama -
04:07
that us together might be able
to kind of think
to kind of think
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možda bismo zajedno
mogli da smislimo
mogli da smislimo
04:10
in more complicated ways
about the reshaping of cities.
about the reshaping of cities.
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da na neki složeniji način
preoblikujemo gradove.
preoblikujemo gradove.
Tako sam kupio jednu zgradu.
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And so I bought a building.
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04:16
The building was really affordable.
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Bila je zaista pristupačna.
Sredili smo je.
04:19
We tricked it out.
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Ulepšali smo je najbolje što umemo,
samo da bi se nešto događalo
samo da bi se nešto događalo
04:21
We made it as beautiful as we could
to try to just get some activity happening
to try to just get some activity happening
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on my block.
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u mojoj ulici.
Kad sam kupio zgradu
za oko 18 000 dolara,
za oko 18 000 dolara,
04:27
Once I bought the building
for about 18,000 dollars,
for about 18,000 dollars,
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nije mi ostalo novca.
04:30
I didn't have any money left.
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Počeo sam jedan performans -
da čistim zgradu.
da čistim zgradu.
04:32
So I started sweeping the building
as a kind of performance.
as a kind of performance.
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To je umetnička predstava,
ljudi bi dolazili,
ljudi bi dolazili,
04:37
This is performance art,
and people would come over,
and people would come over,
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04:40
and I would start sweeping.
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a ja bih počeo da čistim,
04:41
Because the broom was free
and sweeping was free.
and sweeping was free.
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jer su i metla i čišćenje
bili besplatni.
bili besplatni.
04:44
It worked out.
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Upalilo je.
04:46
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Zatim smo koristili zgradu za izložbe,
za male zakuske,
za male zakuske,
04:48
But we would use the building, then,
to stage exhibitions, small dinners,
to stage exhibitions, small dinners,
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i shvatili smo da ta zgrada
u mojoj ulici, Dorčester -
u mojoj ulici, Dorčester -
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and we found that that building
on my block, Dorchester --
on my block, Dorchester --
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we now referred to the block
as Dorchester projects --
as Dorchester projects --
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sada smo ulicu nazvali
„Projekat Dorčester“ -
„Projekat Dorčester“ -
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that in a way that building
became a kind of gathering site
became a kind of gathering site
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ta zgrada je postala mesto okupljanja
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for lots of different kinds of activity.
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za izvođenje različitih aktivnosti.
05:06
We turned the building into
what we called now the Archive House.
what we called now the Archive House.
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Pretvorili smo zgradu
u ono što danas nazivamo „Kuća arhive“.
u ono što danas nazivamo „Kuća arhive“.
05:11
The Archive House would do
all of these amazing things.
all of these amazing things.
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U njoj su se dešavale neverovatne stvari.
Veoma značajni ljudi
u gradu i izvan njega
u gradu i izvan njega
05:14
Very significant people
in the city and beyond
in the city and beyond
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05:17
would find themselves
in the middle of the hood.
in the middle of the hood.
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našli su se ovde u kraju.
05:20
And that's when I felt like
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Tada sam osetio
da možda postoji veza
između prethodnog bavljenja grnčarstvom
između prethodnog bavljenja grnčarstvom
05:22
maybe there was a relationship
between my history with clay
between my history with clay
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i ove novine koja je počela da se razvija,
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and this new thing that was
starting to develop,
starting to develop,
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05:28
that we were slowly starting
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koja je polako počela da ponovo oblikuje
05:30
to reshape how people imagined
the South Side of the city.
the South Side of the city.
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predstave ljudi o južnom kraju grada.
Od jedne kuće nastalo je još nekoliko,
05:35
One house turned into a few houses,
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and we always tried to suggest
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a uvek smo pokušavali da sugerišemo
da nije samo važno stvoriti lep prostor,
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that not only is creating
a beautiful vessel important,
a beautiful vessel important,
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nego je bitan i sadržaj
koji se unutar te zgrade događa.
koji se unutar te zgrade događa.
05:44
but the contents of what happens
in those buildings is also very important.
in those buildings is also very important.
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Nismo razmišljali samo o razvitku,
05:47
So we were not only thinking
about development,
about development,
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već i o programu,
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but we were thinking about the program,
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o mogućim vezama koje se mogu ostvariti
05:52
thinking about the kind of connections
that could happen
that could happen
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među kućama, među susedima.
05:56
between one house and another,
between one neighbor and another.
between one neighbor and another.
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Ova zgrada je postala
ono što nazivamo „Kuća slušanja“,
ono što nazivamo „Kuća slušanja“,
06:02
This building became what we call
the Listening House,
the Listening House,
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a imala je kolekciju odbačenih knjiga
06:05
and it has a collection of discarded books
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iz korporacije „Izdavaštvo Džonson“,
06:08
from the Johnson Publishing Corporation,
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and other books from an old bookstore
that was going out of business.
that was going out of business.
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kao i druge knjige
iz stare knjižare koja se zatvorila.
iz stare knjižare koja se zatvorila.
06:15
I was actually just wanting to activate
these buildings as much as I could
these buildings as much as I could
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Hteo sam, u stvari, da oživim
ove zgrade kako god sam mogao,
ove zgrade kako god sam mogao,
06:19
with whatever and whoever would join me.
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sa bilo čim, bilo kim
ko bi mi se pridružio.
ko bi mi se pridružio.
U Čikagu postoje neverovatne građevine.
06:23
In Chicago, there's
amazing building stock.
amazing building stock.
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Ova zgrada je bila
stecište narkomana u ulici,
stecište narkomana u ulici,
06:26
This building, which had been
the former crack house on the block,
the former crack house on the block,
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a kada je postala napuštena,
06:30
and when the building became abandoned,
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ukazala se prilika da se zamislimo
šta bi se tu moglo događati.
šta bi se tu moglo događati.
06:33
it became a great opportunity to really
imagine what else could happen there.
imagine what else could happen there.
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Ovo mesto smo pretvorili
u nešto što zovemo „Crnački bioskop“.
u nešto što zovemo „Crnački bioskop“.
06:37
So this space we converted into
what we call Black Cinema House.
what we call Black Cinema House.
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Taj bioskop je predstavljao mogućnost
da se u kraju prikažu filmovi
da se u kraju prikažu filmovi
06:41
Black Cinema House was an opportunity
in the hood to screen films
in the hood to screen films
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06:45
that were important and relevant
to the folk who lived around me,
to the folk who lived around me,
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koji su bili od značaja
za ljude u mojoj okolini,
za ljude u mojoj okolini,
da smo mogli da prikažemo
neki stari film Melvina Van Piblsa
neki stari film Melvina Van Piblsa
06:49
that if we wanted to show
an old Melvin Van Peebles film, we could.
an old Melvin Van Peebles film, we could.
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ako smo to hteli.
Mogli smo prikazati „Autoperionicu“
ako smo hteli.
ako smo hteli.
06:53
If we wanted to show "Car Wash," we could.
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06:56
That would be awesome.
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To bi bilo fenomenalno.
06:57
The building we soon outgrew,
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Uskoro smo prerasli zgradu
i morali smo se seliti u veći prostor.
07:00
and we had to move to a larger space.
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„Crnački bioskop“, nastao od mrvice gline,
07:03
Black Cinema House, which was made
from just a small piece of clay,
from just a small piece of clay,
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morao je da preraste u veći komad,
a sada je to moj atelje.
a sada je to moj atelje.
07:07
had to grow into a much larger
piece of clay, which is now my studio.
piece of clay, which is now my studio.
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Shvatio sam da za one među vama
koji su vezani za neke oblasti,
koji su vezani za neke oblasti,
07:14
What I realized was that
for those of you who are zoning junkies,
for those of you who are zoning junkies,
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that some of the things that I was doing
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ono što ja radim u ovim zgradama
07:20
in these buildings
that had been left behind,
that had been left behind,
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koje su bile napuštene,
nisu više imale staru namenu,
07:23
they were not the uses by which
the buildings were built,
the buildings were built,
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07:27
and that there are city policies that say,
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a gradska politika kaže:
07:29
"Hey, a house that is residential
needs to stay residential."
needs to stay residential."
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„Stambena zgrada mora ostati stambena“,
ali šta se radi u krajevima kad više niko
nije zainteresovan da živi tamo?
nije zainteresovan da živi tamo?
07:33
But what do you do in neighborhoods when
ain't nobody interested in living there?
ain't nobody interested in living there?
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Kada su ljudi koji su imali
način da odu već otišli?
način da odu već otišli?
07:38
That the people who have
the means to leave have already left?
the means to leave have already left?
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07:42
What do we do with
these abandoned buildings?
these abandoned buildings?
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Šta da radimo sa ovim napuštenim zgradama?
Hteo sam da ih oživim kulturom.
07:44
And so I was trying
to wake them up using culture.
to wake them up using culture.
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07:47
We found that that
was so exciting for folk,
was so exciting for folk,
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Shvatili smo da je sve ovo
bilo toliko uzbudljivo svima,
bilo toliko uzbudljivo svima,
07:50
and people were so responsive to the work,
that we had to then find bigger buildings.
that we had to then find bigger buildings.
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a i ljudi su se odazivali da rade,
da smo morali da tražimo veće zgrade.
da smo morali da tražimo veće zgrade.
07:55
By the time we found bigger buildings,
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Kad smo našli veće zgrade,
07:57
there was, in part, the resources
necessary to think about those things.
necessary to think about those things.
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morali smo delimično razmišljati
i o resursima koji su neophodni pri ovome.
i o resursima koji su neophodni pri ovome.
08:01
In this bank that we called the Arts Bank,
it was in pretty bad shape.
it was in pretty bad shape.
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Ova banka, koju smo nazvali
„Banka umetnosti“, bila je u lošem stanju.
„Banka umetnosti“, bila je u lošem stanju.
08:05
There was about six feet
of standing water.
of standing water.
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Bilo je skoro dva metra stajaće vode.
Bio je to težak projekat za finansiranje
08:09
It was a difficult project to finance,
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08:11
because banks weren't interested
in the neighborhood
in the neighborhood
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jer banke nisu bile
zainteresovane za ovaj kraj,
zainteresovane za ovaj kraj,
08:14
because people weren't interested
in the neighborhood
in the neighborhood
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jer ljudi nisu bili zainteresovani
za ovaj kraj
za ovaj kraj
jer se tamo ništa nije dešavalo.
08:16
because nothing had happened there.
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08:18
It was dirt. It was nothing.
It was nowhere.
It was nowhere.
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Bilo je prljavo. Nije bilo ničega.
Bilo je u nedođiji.
Bilo je u nedođiji.
Počeli smo razmišljati
šta bi se ovde moglo odigravati?
šta bi se ovde moglo odigravati?
08:22
And so we just started imagining,
what else could happen in this building?
what else could happen in this building?
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(Aplauz)
08:28
(Applause)
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Kad su se proširile glasine po mom kraju
08:33
And so now that the rumor
of my block has spread,
of my block has spread,
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08:36
and lots of people are starting to visit,
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i mnogi su počeli dolaziti,
08:38
we've found that the bank
can now be a center
can now be a center
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uvideli smo da banka može biti centar
za izložbe, arhivu, muzičke predstave,
08:40
for exhibition, archives,
music performance,
music performance,
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08:43
and that there are people
who are now interested
who are now interested
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i da postoje ljudi
koji su sada zainteresovani
koji su sada zainteresovani
da budu u susedstvu ovih zgrada
jer smo uneli neku toplinu,
jer smo uneli neku toplinu,
08:46
in being adjacent to those buildings
because we brought some heat,
because we brought some heat,
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razbuktali smo vatru.
08:50
that we kind of made a fire.
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Jedna od arhiva koja će tamo biti
pripada korporaciji „Izdavaštvo Džonson“.
pripada korporaciji „Izdavaštvo Džonson“.
08:52
One of the archives that we'll have there
is this Johnson Publishing Corporation.
is this Johnson Publishing Corporation.
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Počeli smo sakupljati
suvenire iz američke istorije
suvenire iz američke istorije
08:56
We've also started to collect
memorabilia from American history,
memorabilia from American history,
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od ljudi koji žive ili su živeli u kraju.
09:00
from people who live
or have lived in that neighborhood.
or have lived in that neighborhood.
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Neke od ovih slika
su prikazi poniženih crnaca,
su prikazi poniženih crnaca,
09:04
Some of these images
are degraded images of black people,
are degraded images of black people,
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što je istorija
čiji je sadržaj problematičan,
čiji je sadržaj problematičan,
09:08
kind of histories
of very challenging content,
of very challenging content,
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09:11
and where better than a neighborhood
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a koje je mesto bolje od kraja
gde mladi stalno preispituju
svoj identitet,
svoj identitet,
09:13
with young people who are constantly
asking themselves about their identity
asking themselves about their identity
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09:18
to talk about some of the complexities
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za razgovor o složenosti rasa i staleža?
09:20
of race and class?
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09:22
In some ways, the bank represents a hub,
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Banka, na neki način,
predstavlja centar,
predstavlja centar,
09:26
that we're trying to create a pretty
hardcore node of cultural activity,
hardcore node of cultural activity,
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gde pokušavamo da stvorimo
čvrsto jezgro kulturne aktivnosti,
čvrsto jezgro kulturne aktivnosti,
a ako bismo umnožili centre
09:31
and that if we could start
to make multiple hubs
to make multiple hubs
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and connect some cool
green stuff around there,
green stuff around there,
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i to povezali
sa privlačnim zelenilom u okruženju,
sa privlačnim zelenilom u okruženju,
da zgrade koje smo kupili i obnovili,
09:37
that the buildings that we've
purchased and rehabbed,
purchased and rehabbed,
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09:40
which is now around 60 or 70 units,
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a sada ih ima oko 60 ili 70,
09:44
that if we could land
miniature Versailles on top of that,
miniature Versailles on top of that,
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da ako bismo tu nekako smestili
minijaturni Versaj povrh svega
minijaturni Versaj povrh svega
i nekako povezali ove zgrade
predivnim zelenim pojasom -
predivnim zelenim pojasom -
09:49
and connect these buildings
by a beautiful greenbelt --
by a beautiful greenbelt --
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09:52
(Applause) --
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(Aplauz) -
09:55
that this place where people
never wanted to be
never wanted to be
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onda bi ova mesta,
gde ljudi nikad nisu želeli da budu,
gde ljudi nikad nisu želeli da budu,
mogla postati važne destinacije
09:59
would become an important destination
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10:01
for folk from all over
the country and world.
the country and world.
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za ljude iz čitave zemlje i sveta.
Na neki način se osećam kao grnčar,
10:05
In some ways, it feels
very much like I'm a potter,
very much like I'm a potter,
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jer se bavimo stvarima
koje zavise od nas;
koje zavise od nas;
10:08
that we tackle the things
that are at our wheel,
that are at our wheel,
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10:12
we try with the skill that we have
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pokušavamo svojim umećima
10:14
to think about this next bowl
that I want to make.
that I want to make.
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da osmislimo sledeću posudu
koju želimo napraviti.
koju želimo napraviti.
To je prešlo put od posude
do kuće, ulice, naselja,
do kuće, ulice, naselja,
10:19
And it went from a bowl to a singular
house to a block to a neighborhood
house to a block to a neighborhood
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do kvarta kulture,
do razmišljanja o gradu
do razmišljanja o gradu
10:23
to a cultural district
to thinking about the city,
to thinking about the city,
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i na svakom koraku sam naučio
neke stvari koje nisam znao.
neke stvari koje nisam znao.
10:26
and at every point, there were things
that I didn't know that I had to learn.
that I didn't know that I had to learn.
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10:30
I've never learned so much
about zoning law in my life.
about zoning law in my life.
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Nisam nikada u životu toliko naučio
o zakonu zoniranja.
o zakonu zoniranja.
Nisam ni mislio da ću morati.
10:33
I never thought I'd have to.
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10:35
But as a result of that, I'm finding
that there's not just room
that there's not just room
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Kao rezultat toga, mislim da ima prostora
ne samo za moje umetničko delovanje,
ne samo za moje umetničko delovanje,
10:38
for my own artistic practice,
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već i za mnoge druge umetničke prakse.
10:40
there's room for a lot of other
artistic practices.
artistic practices.
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Počeli su da nas zapitkuju:
10:43
So people started asking us,
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„Tijestre, kako ćeš napredovati?“
10:45
"Well, Theaster, how are you
going to go to scale?"
going to go to scale?"
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i „Kakav je tvoj plan održivosti?“
10:47
and, "What's your sustainability plan?"
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(Smeh) (Aplauz)
10:49
(Laughter) (Applause)
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Shvatio sam da ne mogu
da prenesem svoje ideje,
da prenesem svoje ideje,
10:54
And what I found was that
I couldn't export myself,
I couldn't export myself,
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da ono što se čini
da je neophodno u gradovima
da je neophodno u gradovima
10:58
that what seems necessary
in cities like Akron, Ohio,
in cities like Akron, Ohio,
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kao što je Akron u Ohaju,
Detroit u Mičigenu i Geri u Indijani,
Detroit u Mičigenu i Geri u Indijani,
11:02
and Detroit, Michigan, and Gary, Indiana,
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je da tamo postoje ljudi
koji već veruju u svoja mesta,
koji već veruju u svoja mesta,
11:04
is that there are people in those places
who already believe in those places,
who already believe in those places,
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koji žarko žele da ta mesta ulepšaju,
11:08
that are already dying
to make those places beautiful,
to make those places beautiful,
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11:11
and that often, those people
who are passionate about a place
who are passionate about a place
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a da su često
oni koji su predani svojim naseljima
oni koji su predani svojim naseljima
11:15
are disconnected from the resources
necessary to make cool things happen,
necessary to make cool things happen,
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odsečeni od potrebnih resursa
neophodnih za boljitak,
neophodnih za boljitak,
ili nisu u vezi sa ljudima
11:19
or disconnected from
a contingency of people
a contingency of people
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koji bi mogli pomoći
da se neke stvari dese.
da se neke stvari dese.
11:22
that could help make things happen.
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Sada smo počeli da savetujemo
ljude širom zemlje
ljude širom zemlje
11:23
So now, we're starting to give advice
around the country
around the country
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kako da krenu sa onim što imaju,
11:28
on how to start with what you got,
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11:30
how to start with the things
that are in front of you,
that are in front of you,
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kako da krenu sa stvarima
koje su im u okolini,
koje su im u okolini,
kako da ni od čega naprave nešto,
11:33
how to make something out of nothing,
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kako da preoblikuju svoj svet
u svom neposrednom okruženju,
u svom neposrednom okruženju,
11:35
how to reshape your world
at a wheel or at your block
at a wheel or at your block
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u svojoj ulici,
ili da to urade na nivou grada.
ili da to urade na nivou grada.
11:40
or at the scale of the city.
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Hvala mnogo.
11:42
Thank you so much.
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11:44
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
11:51
June Cohen: Thank you. So I think
many people watching this
many people watching this
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Džun Koen: Hvala.
Gledajući ovo, mnogi će se zapitati
isto što i Vi na kraju:
isto što i Vi na kraju:
11:55
will be asking themselves
the question you just raised at the end:
the question you just raised at the end:
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How can they do this in their own city?
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kako se ovo može postići
i u njihovim gradovima?
i u njihovim gradovima?
12:00
You can't export yourself.
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Ne možete preneti svoje ideje.
12:02
Give us a few pages out of your playbook
about what someone who is inspired
about what someone who is inspired
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Dajte nam neke ideje iz vaše strategije
o tome šta neko
ko je inspirisan svojim gradom
ko je inspirisan svojim gradom
12:05
about their city can do
to take on projects like yours?
to take on projects like yours?
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može da uradi da bi pokrenuo
projekte slične Vašim?
projekte slične Vašim?
12:08
Theaster Gates: One of the things
I've found that's really important
I've found that's really important
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Tijester Gejts:
Jedna od najvažnijih stvari
Jedna od najvažnijih stvari
12:11
is giving thought to not just
the kind of individual project,
the kind of individual project,
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je razmišljanje ne samo o jednom projektu,
12:16
like an old house,
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recimo, o nekoj staroj kući,
12:18
but what's the relationship
between an old house,
between an old house,
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nego o vezi između stare kuće,
12:21
a local school, a small bodega,
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lokalne škole, male bakalnice -
12:24
and is there some kind of synergy
between those things?
between those things?
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da li postoji nekakva sinergija
među ovim stvarima?
među ovim stvarima?
12:27
Can you get those folk talking?
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Da li možete podstaći
te ljude na razgovor?
te ljude na razgovor?
12:30
I've found that in cases
where neighborhoods have failed,
where neighborhoods have failed,
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Čini mi se da, i kada kraj propadne,
12:34
they still often have a pulse.
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ljudi još uvek imaju nade.
12:36
How do you identify the pulse
in that place, the passionate people,
in that place, the passionate people,
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Kako otkriti žilu kucavicu
u tim mestima, ostrašćene ljude,
u tim mestima, ostrašćene ljude,
12:40
and then how do you get folk
who have been fighting,
who have been fighting,
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kako oživeti stare borce,
12:43
slogging for 20 years, reenergized
about the place that they live?
about the place that they live?
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koji su rintali 20 godina,
da dopune baterije, radi svog mesta?
da dopune baterije, radi svog mesta?
12:47
And so someone has to do that work.
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Neko mora to da uradi.
12:50
If I were a traditional developer,
I would be talking about buildings alone,
I would be talking about buildings alone,
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Da sam tradicionalni graditelj,
pričao bih samo o građevinama
pričao bih samo o građevinama
12:54
and then putting
a "For Lease" sign in the window.
a "For Lease" sign in the window.
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i o postavljanju znaka „Izdaje se“
na njihove prozore.
na njihove prozore.
12:58
I think that you actually
have to curate more than that,
have to curate more than that,
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Mislim da je potrebno
organizovati više od toga,
organizovati više od toga,
13:01
that there's a way in which
you have to be mindful about,
you have to be mindful about,
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da postoji način
da više razmišljate o tome
da više razmišljate o tome
13:03
what are the businesses
that I want to grow here?
that I want to grow here?
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kakve poslove želite da razvijate tamo.
13:06
And then, are there people
who live in this place
who live in this place
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Zatim, da li ima u tom kraju ljudi
13:09
who want to grow those businesses with me?
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koji žele da razvijaju
te poslove sa nekim.
te poslove sa nekim.
Mislim da to ne treba da se tiče
samo kulture ili stanovanja;
samo kulture ili stanovanja;
13:11
Because I think it's not just
a cultural space or housing;
a cultural space or housing;
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13:14
there has to be the recreation
of an economic core.
of an economic core.
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mora biti ponovno oživljavanje
ekonomskog izvora.
ekonomskog izvora.
13:17
So thinking about those things
together feels right.
together feels right.
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Prava je stvar misliti o svemu tome.
13:20
JC: It's hard to get people
to create the spark again
to create the spark again
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DžK: Teško je ponovo zapaliti iskru
13:23
when people have been
slogging for 20 years.
slogging for 20 years.
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posle 20 godina mučenja.
13:25
Are there any methods you've found
that have helped break through?
that have helped break through?
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Da li ste našli pravi način
da se to prevaziđe?
da se to prevaziđe?
13:28
TG: Yeah, I think that now
there are lots of examples
there are lots of examples
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TG: Da, mislim da sada
postoji mnogo primera
postoji mnogo primera
13:31
of folk who are doing amazing work,
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da ljudi čine neverovatne stvari,
ali te metode su ponekad
kao kada mediji stalno govore
kao kada mediji stalno govore
13:33
but those methods are sometimes like,
when the media is constantly saying
when the media is constantly saying
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13:38
that only violent things
happen in a place,
happen in a place,
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da se samo nasilje dešava na nekom mestu.
13:41
then based on your skill set
and the particular context,
and the particular context,
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Onda, zasnovano na vašoj veštini
i određenom kontekstu,
i određenom kontekstu,
13:44
what are the things that you can do
in your neighborhood
in your neighborhood
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šta možete uraditi u svom kraju
da biste se borili
protiv nekih od tih stvari?
protiv nekih od tih stvari?
13:47
to kind of fight some of that?
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13:49
So I've found that
if you're a theater person,
if you're a theater person,
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Shvatio sam da,
ako ste ljubitelj pozorišta,
ako ste ljubitelj pozorišta,
organizujte festivale na otvorenom.
13:52
you have outdoor street theater festivals.
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In some cases, we don't have
the resources in certain neighborhoods
the resources in certain neighborhoods
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Nekada nemamo resurse
u određenim krajevima
u određenim krajevima
13:58
to do things that are
a certain kind of splashy,
a certain kind of splashy,
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da uradimo nešto spektakularno,
14:02
but if we can then find ways
of making sure that people
of making sure that people
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ali ako možemo uveriti ljude
14:05
who are local to a place,
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koji pripadaju kraju
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plus people who could be supportive
of the things that are happening locally,
of the things that are happening locally,
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i ljude koji će podržavati
lokalne događaje,
lokalne događaje,
kada ih sve spojimo,
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when those people get together,
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mislim da se mogu desiti
neverovatne stvari.
neverovatne stvari.
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I think really amazing things can happen.
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JC: So interesting.
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DžK: Veoma zanimljivo.
Kako možete znati
da projekti koje stvarate
da projekti koje stvarate
14:16
And how can you make sure
that the projects you're creating
that the projects you're creating
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zapravo služe ugroženima,
14:18
are actually for the disadvantaged
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a ne samo nekoj grupi vegetarijanaca
zainteresovanoj za nezavisne filmove,
zainteresovanoj za nezavisne filmove,
14:20
and not just for the sort of
vegetarian indie movie crowd
vegetarian indie movie crowd
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a koja bi se možda uključila
da iskoristi projekat?
da iskoristi projekat?
14:24
that might move in
to take advantage of them.
to take advantage of them.
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14:26
TG: Right on. So I think this is where
it starts to get into the thick weeds.
it starts to get into the thick weeds.
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TG: Mislim da je to tačka
na kojoj počinju da se javljaju prepreke.
na kojoj počinju da se javljaju prepreke.
14:31
JC: Let's go there.
TG: Right now, Grand Crossing
TG: Right now, Grand Crossing
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DžK: Da čujemo.
TG: Trenutno je u Grend Krosingu
TG: Trenutno je u Grend Krosingu
14:33
is 99 percent black, or at least living,
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99 posto stanovnišva crnačko,
ili bar ljudi koji žive u njemu,
ili bar ljudi koji žive u njemu,
ali znamo da se u ovom mestu
vlasnici nekretnina
vlasnici nekretnina
14:36
and we know that maybe
who owns property in a place
who owns property in a place
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razlikuju od onih
koji su svakodnevno na ulicama.
koji su svakodnevno na ulicama.
14:40
is different from who walks
the streets every day.
the streets every day.
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Razumno je reći da je Grend Krosing
14:42
So it's reasonable to say
that Grand Crossing is already
that Grand Crossing is already
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već u procesu da postane
drugačiji od onoga kakav je sada.
drugačiji od onoga kakav je sada.
14:45
in the process of being something
different than it is today.
different than it is today.
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14:49
But are there ways to think about
housing trusts or land trusts
housing trusts or land trusts
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Ipak, da li postoje načini da se razmišlja
o građevinskim ili zemljišnim fondovima
o građevinskim ili zemljišnim fondovima
ili o razvoju uz pomoć
neprofitnih organizacija
neprofitnih organizacija
14:55
or a mission-based development
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that starts to protect
some of the space that happens,
some of the space that happens,
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koje počinju da stavljaju pod zaštitu
neke od prostora,
neke od prostora,
15:00
because when you have
7,500 empty lots in a city,
7,500 empty lots in a city,
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jer kada u gradu imate
7 500 praznih parcela,
7 500 praznih parcela,
15:04
you want something to happen there,
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želite da se tamo dešava nešto,
15:06
but you need entities that are not
just interested in the development piece,
just interested in the development piece,
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ali vam trebaju entiteti
koji nisu samo zainteresovani za razvoj,
koji nisu samo zainteresovani za razvoj,
15:11
but entities that are interested
in the stabilization piece,
in the stabilization piece,
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nego i oni koji su zainteresovani
i za deo vezan za stabilizaciju,
i za deo vezan za stabilizaciju,
15:14
and I feel like often the developer piece
is really motivated,
is really motivated,
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a ponekad osećam da su oni
koji se bave razvojem zaista motivisani,
koji se bave razvojem zaista motivisani,
15:17
but the other work of a kind
of neighborhood consciousness,
of neighborhood consciousness,
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ali sa druge strane, svest o području
15:21
that part doesn't live anymore.
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više ne postoji.
15:22
So how do you start to grow up
important watchdogs
important watchdogs
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Kako možete započeti
ojačavanje organizacija kontrole
ojačavanje organizacija kontrole
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that ensure that the resources
that are made available
that are made available
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koje bi vas uverile
da se dostupni resursi
da se dostupni resursi
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to new folk that are coming in
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novodolazećim ljudima
15:31
are also distributed to folk
who have lived in a place for a long time.
who have lived in a place for a long time.
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mogu distribuirati i onima
koji dugo žive ovde.
koji dugo žive ovde.
15:35
JC: That makes so much sense.
One more question:
One more question:
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DžK: To ima smisla.
Još jedno pitanje -
Još jedno pitanje -
ubedljivi ste kada pričate o lepoti,
o važnosti lepote i umetnosti.
o važnosti lepote i umetnosti.
15:37
You make such a compelling case for beauty
and the importance of beauty and the arts.
and the importance of beauty and the arts.
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Drugi smatraju da bi se sredstva
mogla bolje utrošiti
mogla bolje utrošiti
15:42
There would be others who would argue
that funds would be better spent
that funds would be better spent
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on basic services for the disadvantaged.
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na neke osnovne usluge za ugrožene.
Kako se borite
sa takvim pogledima na stvari?
sa takvim pogledima na stvari?
15:48
How do you combat that viewpoint,
or come against it?
or come against it?
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15:52
TG: I believe that beauty
is a basic service.
is a basic service.
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TG: Mislim da je lepota osnovna usluga.
15:54
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
Često sam uviđao da,
kada postoje resursi
kada postoje resursi
16:02
Often what I have found is that
when there are resources
when there are resources
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koji nisu dostupni nekim gradovima,
16:06
that have not been made available
to certain under-resourced cities
to certain under-resourced cities
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krajevima ili zajednicama
sa manjkom resursa,
sa manjkom resursa,
16:09
or neighborhoods or communities,
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that sometimes culture is the thing
that helps to ignite,
that helps to ignite,
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onda je kultura ono
što može da pokrene stvari.
što može da pokrene stvari.
16:16
and that I can't do everything,
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Ni ja nisam svemoćan,
16:19
but I think that there's a way in which
if you can start with culture
if you can start with culture
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ali ako možete da krenete sa kulturom
16:22
and get people kind of
reinvested in their place,
reinvested in their place,
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i podstaknete ljude
da ulažu u svoje mesto življenja,
da ulažu u svoje mesto življenja,
16:25
other kinds of adjacent
amenities start to grow,
amenities start to grow,
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i drugi sadržaji će se razvijati,
i tada ljudi mogu zahtevati,
podneti poetski zahtev,
podneti poetski zahtev,
16:29
and then people can make a demand
that's a poetic demand,
that's a poetic demand,
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16:33
and the political demands that
are necessary to wake up our cities,
are necessary to wake up our cities,
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a onda i politički zahtevi
neophodni za buđenje naših gradova
neophodni za buđenje naših gradova
postaju veoma poetski.
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they also become very poetic.
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16:40
JC: It makes perfect sense to me.
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DžK: Zvuči skroz razumno.
Tijestere, hvala Vam
što ste danas bili s nama.
što ste danas bili s nama.
16:42
Theaster, thank you so much
for being here with us today.
for being here with us today.
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Hvala. Tijester Gejts.
16:45
Thank you. Theaster Gates.
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16:46
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Theaster Gates - Artist, potter, community builderTheaster Gates is a potter whose ambitions stretch far beyond the wheel and the kiln. In Chicago, his leadership of artist-led spaces has catalyzed interest and excitement in a formerly neglected neighborhood, as he uses culture as a transformational weapon.
Why you should listen
Theaster Gates is helping to define the future of artistic place-based efforts, in research and practice. Beginning with interventions in small-scale residences now known as Dorchester Projects, Gates’ houses in Greater Grand Crossing in Chicago have become a nexus for globally engaged experiments in structures of individual and collective living, working and art-making. Launched into the international art world at Documenta(13), the houses embodied a new system of values and celebrated both a flexible use of space and provided a way for artists, visitors and students to connect and collaborate.
The latest example of this kind of work is the Stony Island Arts Bank, set to open for the Chicago Architecture Biennial in October 2015. Gates will convert a formerly derelict bank on Chicago's south side to create an artwork -- and a communal and creative space.
At the University of Chicago, where he is a professor and the director of arts and public life, Gates leads the Arts Incubator in Washington Park. Gates also leads an urban research initiative known as the Place Lab, a team of social scientists, architects, creative professionals and business leaders. With support from the Knight Foundation, Gates and his team will create frameworks for reimagining the role that culture plays in the redevelopment of transforming African American communities.
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