ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Christopher deCharms - Brain researcher
Christopher deCharms is working on a way to use fMRI scans to show brain activity -- in real time.

Why you should listen

Neuroscientist Christopher deCharms is helping to develop a new kind of MRI that allows doctor and patient to look inside the brain in real time -- to see visual representations of brain processes as they happen. With his company Omneuron, deCharms has developed technology they call rtfMRI, for "real-time functional MRI" -- which is exactly what it sounds like. You move your arm, your brain lights up. You feel pain, your brain lights up.

How could we use the ability to see our brains in action? For a start, to help treat chronic pain with a kind of biofeedback; being able to visualize pain can help patients control it. And longer-term uses boggle the mind. Ours is the first generation, he believes, to be able to train and build our minds as systematically as a weightlifter builds a muscle. What will we do with this?

deCharms is also the author of the book Two Views of Mind, studying Buddhist theories of perception from a neuroscientist's perspective.

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Christopher deCharms: A look inside the brain in real time

Kristofer deČarms skenira mozak u stvarnom vremenu

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Neuronaučnik i pronalazač Kristofer deČarms demonstrira novi način upotrebe fMRI ( funkcionalne magnetne rezonance) za pokazivanje moždane aktivnosti -- misli, emocije, bol -- u trenutku njenog dešavanja. Drugim rečima, možete bukvalno videti kako se osećate.
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HiZdravo. I'm going to askпитати you to raiseподићи your armsруке and waveталас back,
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Zdravo. Zamoliću vas da podignete ruku i da mašete
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just the way I am -- kindкинд of a royalкраљевски waveталас.
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isto kao što ja radim -- neka vrsta kraljevskog mahanja.
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You can mimicмимик what you can see.
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Možete oponašati ono što vidite.
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You can programпрограм the hundredsстотине of musclesмишићи in your armрука.
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Možete programirati stotine mišića u svojoj ruci.
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SoonUskoro, you'llти ћеш be ableу могуцности to look insideу your brainмозак and programпрограм,
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Uskoro, moći ćete da gledate u svoj mozak i programirate,
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controlконтрола the hundredsстотине of brainмозак areasобласти that you see there.
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kontrolišete stotine moždanih oblasti koje tamo vidite.
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I'm going to tell you about that technologyтехнологија.
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Ja ću vam pričati o toj tehnologiji.
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People have wanted to look insideу the humanљудско mindум,
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Ljudi su želeli da vide unutar ljudskog uma,
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the humanљудско brainмозак, for thousandsхиљаде of yearsгодине.
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ljudskog mozga, hiljadama godina unazad.
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Well, comingдолазе out of the researchистраживање labsлабораторије just now, for our generationгенерације, is the possibilityмогућност to do that.
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Pa, izlazeći iz istraživačkih laboratorija upravo sada, za našu generaciju je moguće to uraditi.
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People envisionPredviđeni this as beingбиће very difficultтешко.
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Ljudi su predvideli ovo kao nešto veoma teško.
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You had to take a spaceshipсвемирски брод, shrinkскупља it down, injectубризгати it into the bloodstreamkrvotok.
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Morali biste da uzmete svemirski brod, da ga smanjite i ubrizgate u krvotok.
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It was terriblyстрашно dangerousопасно. (LaughterSmeh)
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Bilo je veoma opasno.
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You could be attackedНападнут by whiteбео bloodкрв cellsћелије in the arteriesarterije.
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Mogli ste da budete napadnuti od strane belih krvnih zrnaca u arterijama.
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But now, we have a realправи technologyтехнологија to do this.
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Ali sada, imamo pravu tehnologiju da uradimo ovo.
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We're going to flyлети into my colleagueколега Peter'sPetra brainмозак.
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Uletećemo u mozak mog kolege Pitera.
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We're going to do it non-invasivelynon-invasively usingКористећи MRIMRI.
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Uradićemo ovo neinvazivno koristeći MRI.
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We don't have to injectубризгати anything. We don't need radiationзрачење.
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Ne moramo da ubrizgamo ništa. Ne treba nam radijacija.
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We will be ableу могуцности to flyлети into the anatomyанатомија of Peter'sPetra brainмозак -- literallyбуквално, flyлети into his bodyтело --
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Moći ćemo da uletimo u anatomiju Piterovog mozga -- bukvalno uletimo u njegovo telo --
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but more importantlyважно, we can look into his mindум.
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ali ono što je važnije, moći ćemo da gledamo u njegov um.
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When PeterPeter movesпотезе his armрука, that yellowжуто spotместо you see there
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Kad Piter pomera svoju ruku, ta žuta tačka koju vidite tamo
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is the interfaceприступ to the functioningфункционира of Peter'sPetra mindум takingузимајући placeместо.
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je unutrašnje funkcionisanje Piterovog uma na delu.
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Now you've seenвиђено before that with electrodesелектроде you can controlконтрола roboticроботски armsруке,
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Videli ste ranije da sa elektrodama mogu da se kontrolišu robotske ruke,
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that brainмозак imagingza obradu slika and scannersSkeneri can showсхов you the insidesiznutra of brainsмозга.
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da slike i skeniranja mozga mogu da vam pokažu njegovu unutrašnjost.
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What's newново is that that processпроцес has typicallyобично takenузети daysдана or monthsмесеци of analysisанализа.
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Šta je novo je to da je taj proces uglavnom zahtevao dane ili mesece analize.
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We'veMoramo collapsedсрушио се that throughкроз technologyтехнологија to millisecondsmilisekundi,
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Mi smo smanjili to, pomoću tehnologije, na milisekunde
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and that allowsомогућава us to let PeterPeter to look at his brainмозак in realправи time as he's insideу the scannerскенер.
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i to omogućava Piteru da gleda svoj mozak u stvarnom vremenu dok se nalazi u skeneru.
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He can look at these 65,000 pointsбодова of activationAktivacija perпер secondдруго.
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On može da gleda u ovih 65 000 tačaka aktivacije u sekundi.
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If he can see this patternобразац in his ownвластити brainмозак, he can learnучи how to controlконтрола it.
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Ako može da vidi obrazac u sopstvenom mozgu, on može da nauči da ga kontroliše.
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There have been threeтри waysначини to try to impactутицај the brainмозак:
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Postoje tri načina da pokušate da utičete na mozak:
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the therapist'sterapeuta couchкауч, pillsпилуле and the knifeнож.
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kauč terapeuta, tablete i nož.
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This is a fourthчетврто alternativeалтернатива that you are soonускоро going to have.
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Ovo je četvrta alternativa koju ćete uskoro imati.
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We all know that as we formобразац thoughtsмисли, they formобразац deepдубоко channelsканали in our mindsумови and in our brainsмозга.
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Svi znamo da kad formiramo misli one formiraju duboke kanale u našem umu i u našem mozgu.
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ChronicHronične painбол is an exampleпример. If you burnгорети yourselfсами, you pullповући your handруку away.
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Hronični bol, na primer. Ako se izgorite vi pomerite ruku.
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But if you're still in painбол in sixшест months'meseci or sixшест years'године ' time,
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Ali ako i dalje osećate bol u periodu od 6 meseci ili 6 godina,
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it's because these circuitsкругови are producingпроизводњу painбол that's no longerдуже helpingпомажући you.
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to je zato što ovi tragovi proizvode bol koji vam više ne pomaže.
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If we can look at the activationAktivacija in the brainмозак that's producingпроизводњу the painбол,
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Ako možemo da gledamo u aktivaciju mozga koji proizvodi bol,
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we can formобразац 3D modelsмодели and watch in realправи time the brainмозак processпроцес informationинформације,
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možemo da formiramo 3D modele i gledamo, u stvarnom vremenu, mozak kako obrađuje informaciju
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and then we can selectизаберите the areasобласти that produceпроизвести the painбол.
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i onda možemo da selektujemo oblasti koje proizvode bol.
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So put your armsруке back up and flexFLEX your bicepbiceps.
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Dakle, podignite ruku i stežite svoj biceps.
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Now imagineзамислити that you will soonускоро be ableу могуцности to look insideу your brainмозак
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Sada zamislite da ćete uskoro moći da gledate unutar svog mozga
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and selectизаберите brainмозак areasобласти to do that sameисти thing.
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i da selektujete oblasti mozga da radite tu istu stvar.
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What you're seeingвиди here is, we'veми смо selectedизабран the pathwaysпутеви in the brainмозак of a chronichronične painбол patientпацијент.
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Ovo što vidite ovde -- selektovali smo putanju u mozgu pacijenta sa hroničnim bolom.
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This mayможе shockшок you, but we're literallyбуквално readingчитање this person'sособа brainмозак in realправи time.
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Ovo može da vas šokira, ali mi bukvalno čitamo mozak ove osobe u stvarnom vremenu.
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They're watchingгледа theirњихова ownвластити brainмозак activationAktivacija,
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Oni gledaju aktivaciju sopstvenog mozga
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and they're controllingконтролисање the pathwayстаза that producesпроизводи theirњихова painбол.
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i oni kontrolišu putanju koja proizvodi bol.
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They're learningучење to flexFLEX this systemсистем that releasesza javnost theirњихова ownвластити endogenousendogenog opiatesopijati.
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Oni uče da stežu ovaj sistem koji opušta njihove sopstvene endogene opijate.
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As they do it, in the upperгорњи left is a displayприказ
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Dok to rade -- gore levo je prikaz --
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that's yokeddoći do izražaja to theirњихова brainмозак activationAktivacija of theirњихова ownвластити painбол beingбиће controlledконтролисано.
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to je povezano sa aktivacijom mozga dok kontrolišu svoj bol.
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When they controlконтрола theirњихова brainмозак, they can controlконтрола theirњихова painбол.
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Kada kontrolišu svoj mozak, oni mogu da kontrolišu svoj bol.
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This is an investigationalinvestigational technologyтехнологија,
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Ovo je istraživačka tehnologija,
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but, in clinicalклинички trialsсуђења, we're seeingвиди a 44 to 64 percentпроценат decreaseсмањење in chronichronične painбол patientsпацијенти.
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ali u kliničkim studijama vidimo smanjenje od 44% do 64% kod pacijenata sa hroničnim bolom.
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This is not "The MatrixMatrica." You can only do this to yourselfсами. You take controlконтрола.
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Ovo nije "Matriks". Ovo možete uraditi samo sebi. Vi uzimate kontrolu.
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I've seenвиђено insideу my brainмозак. You will too, soonускоро.
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Ja sam video unutar mog mozga. I vi ćete uskoro.
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When you do, what do you want to controlконтрола?
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Kad se to desi, šta biste želeli da kontrolišete?
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You will be ableу могуцности to look at all the aspectsаспекти that make you yourselfсами, all your experiencesискуства.
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Moći ćete da gledate na sve aspekte koji vas sačinjavaju, sva vaša iskustva.
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These are some of the areasобласти we're workingрад on todayданас that I don't have time to go into in detailдетаљ.
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Ovo su neke oblasti na kojima radimo danas u čije detalje nemam vremena da ulazim.
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But I want to leaveодлази with you the bigвелики questionпитање.
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Ali želim da vam ostavim veliko pitanje.
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We are the first generationгенерације that's going to be ableу могуцности to enterунесите into,
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Mi smo prva generacija koja će biti u mogućnosti da uđe unutar,
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usingКористећи this technologyтехнологија, the humanљудско mindум and brainмозак.
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koristeći ovu tehnologiju, ljudskog uma i mozga.
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Where will we take it?
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Gde ćemo ga odvesti?
Translated by Vanja Cakić
Reviewed by Elizabeta Petrovic

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Christopher deCharms - Brain researcher
Christopher deCharms is working on a way to use fMRI scans to show brain activity -- in real time.

Why you should listen

Neuroscientist Christopher deCharms is helping to develop a new kind of MRI that allows doctor and patient to look inside the brain in real time -- to see visual representations of brain processes as they happen. With his company Omneuron, deCharms has developed technology they call rtfMRI, for "real-time functional MRI" -- which is exactly what it sounds like. You move your arm, your brain lights up. You feel pain, your brain lights up.

How could we use the ability to see our brains in action? For a start, to help treat chronic pain with a kind of biofeedback; being able to visualize pain can help patients control it. And longer-term uses boggle the mind. Ours is the first generation, he believes, to be able to train and build our minds as systematically as a weightlifter builds a muscle. What will we do with this?

deCharms is also the author of the book Two Views of Mind, studying Buddhist theories of perception from a neuroscientist's perspective.

More profile about the speaker
Christopher deCharms | Speaker | TED.com