ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Temple Grandin - Livestock handling designer, autism activist
Through groundbreaking research and the lens of her own autism, Temple Grandin brings startling insight into two worlds.

Why you should listen

An expert on animal behavior, Temple Grandin has designed humane handling systems for half the cattle-processing facilities in the US, and consults with the meat industry to develop animal welfare guidelines. As PETA wrote when awarding her a 2004 Proggy: “Dr. Grandin's improvements to animal-handling systems found in slaughterhouses have decreased the amount of fear and pain that animals experience in their final hours, and she is widely considered the world's leading expert on the welfare of cattle and pigs.” In 2010, Time Magazine listed her as one of its most Important People of the Year. She is also a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.

Grandin’s books about her interior life as an autistic person have increased the world's understanding of the condition with personal immediacy -- and with import, as rates of autism diagnosis rise. She is revered by animal rights groups and members of autistic community, perhaps because in both regards she is a voice for those who are sometimes challenged to make themselves heard. 

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Temple Grandin: The world needs all kinds of minds

坦普·葛兰丁:这个世界需要各种心智

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坦普·葛兰丁是自闭症患者,这个演讲里她讲到了自己的心智,以及分享了用图像进行思考的故事,这种思维方式使得她有办法解决一些常人难以解决的问题。她还指出,我们的世界需要各种各样的心智,包括视觉思考者、模式思考者、言语思考者,另外,我们还要特别重视对那些行为有点古怪但非常聪明的孩子的培养。
- Livestock handling designer, autism activist
Through groundbreaking research and the lens of her own autism, Temple Grandin brings startling insight into two worlds. Full bio

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I think I'll start开始 out and just talk a little bit about
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what exactly究竟 autism自闭症 is.
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自闭症是什么, 来开始我的演讲吧
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Autism自闭症 is a very big continuum连续
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自闭症的症状范围很广
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that goes from very severe严重 -- the child儿童 remains遗迹 non-verbal非语言 --
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有的自闭症非常严重,他们从小孩开始就一直不会说话
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all the way up to brilliant辉煌 scientists科学家们 and engineers工程师.
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但也有的自闭症患者最终成为了伟大的科学家和工程师
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And I actually其实 feel at home here,
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今天来到这里,我感到了家的温暖
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because there's a lot of autism自闭症 genetics遗传学 here.
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因为这里有很多自闭症的基因
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You wouldn't不会 have any...
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你该不会……
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(Applause掌声)
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It's a continuum连续 of traits性状.
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就是说,自闭症一系列的症状
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When does a nerd书呆子 turn into
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比如,一个怪人变成了埃斯博格综合症
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Asperger阿斯伯格, which哪一个 is just mild温和 autism自闭症?
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但你们知不知道那只是很轻微的自闭症?
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I mean, Einstein爱因斯坦 and Mozart莫扎特
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可以想象,包括爱因斯坦、莫扎特
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and Tesla特斯拉 would all be probably大概 diagnosed确诊
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以及Tesla在内这些人
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as autistic自闭症 spectrum光谱 today今天.
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今天都会被诊断为自闭症患者
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And one of the things that is really going to concern关心 me is
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有一件事情让我感到很有必要去做的
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getting得到 these kids孩子 to be the ones那些 that are going to invent发明
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就是如何教育这些孩子
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the next下一个 energy能源 things,
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使得他们成为发明下一代能源的人
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you know, that Bill法案 Gates盖茨 talked about this morning早上.
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正如盖茨先生今天早上所讲到的
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OK. Now, if you want to understand理解
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假如你希望
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autism自闭症, animals动物.
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了解自闭症或者是动物
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And I want to talk to you now about different不同 ways方法 of thinking思维.
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我希望先跟你们介绍一下人不同的思维方式
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You have to get away from verbal口头 language语言.
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你需要摆脱单纯的用言语思考的习惯
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I think in pictures图片,
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我是用图像来思考的
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I don't think in language语言.
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我不是用语言来思考的
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Now, the thing about the autistic自闭症 mind心神
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而自闭症患者很多又是对
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is it attends出席 to details细节.
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细节非常着迷的
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OK, this is a test测试 where you either have to
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好,这是一个测试,你可以从图上
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pick out the big letters, or pick out the little letters,
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挑出那些大的字母或者是挑出小的字母
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and the autistic自闭症 mind心神 picks精选 out the
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自闭症患者通常会
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little letters more quickly很快.
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更快的挑出小的字母
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And the thing is, the normal正常 brain ignores忽略 the details细节.
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而事实上,普通的大脑是忽略这些细节 的
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Well, if you're building建造 a bridge, details细节 are pretty漂亮 important重要
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假如你要造桥,那细节是非常重要的
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because it will fall秋季 down if you ignore忽视 the details细节.
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因为假如你忽视细节的话,桥就会垮掉
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And one of my big concerns关注 with a lot of policy政策 things today今天
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而我今天对于政策最为关心的一点是
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is things are getting得到 too abstract抽象.
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这些政策很多都非常抽象
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People are getting得到 away from doing
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很多人也慢慢的失去了
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hands-on动手 stuff东东.
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动手的能力
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I'm really concerned关心 that a lot of the schools学校 have taken采取 out
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看到许多学校把手工课踢出课表
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the hands-on动手 classes,
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我感到忧心忡忡
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because art艺术, and classes like that,
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因为我恰恰是在艺术、以及手工这一类的课程上
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those are the classes where I excelled出色.
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特别的优秀
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In my work with cattle黄牛,
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在我很牛群打交道的日子里
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I noticed注意到 a lot of little things that most people don't notice注意
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我注意到了许多平常人不会注意到的细节
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would make the cattle黄牛 balk梁木. Like, for example,
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这些会使得牛群不安
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this flag waving挥手, right in front面前 of the veterinary兽医 facility设施.
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比如这面旗帜,它刚好是树立在兽医室前面
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This feed饲料 yard was going to tear眼泪 down their whole整个 veterinary兽医 facility设施;
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这些牛就要把整个的兽医室都毁了
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all they needed需要 to do was move移动 the flag.
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而她们需要做的就只是移出那面旗帜而已
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Rapid快速 movement运动, contrast对比.
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快进。比照
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In the early '70s when I started开始, I got right down
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70年代我刚开始做这一行的时候
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in the chutes滑槽 to see what cattle黄牛 were seeing眼看.
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我会钻进洞里,看看牛从洞里能看到什么
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People thought that was crazy. A coat涂层 on a fence篱笆 would make them balk梁木,
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人们把我看成是白痴。假如有山羊站在栅栏上,牛群也会不安
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shadows阴影 would make them balk梁木, a hose软管 on the floor地板 ...
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影子会使得牛惊慌,在地板上有水龙头也是这样
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people weren't noticing注意到 these things --
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a chain hanging down --
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这些都是一连串的反应
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and that's shown显示 very, very nicely很好 in the movie电影.
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这个在电影里有精彩的展现
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In fact事实, I loved喜爱 the movie电影, how they
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我非常喜欢他们在电影里对我的
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duplicated复制 all my projects项目. That's the geek极客 side.
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一些项目的复制。哦,这个是我的怪的一面
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My drawings图纸 got to star in the movie电影 too.
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我的绘画也在电影里展现出来了
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And actually其实 it's called "Temple寺庙 Grandin格兰丁,"
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就叫作坦普·葛兰丁
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not "Thinking思维 In Pictures图片."
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而不是叫图像思考
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So, what is thinking思维 in pictures图片? It's literally按照字面 movies电影
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那么,什么图像思考?
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in your head.
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可以形象的说,那就是你大脑里有电影在播放
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My mind心神 works作品 like Google谷歌 for images图片.
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我的大脑可以像谷歌图像搜索那样工作
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Now, when I was a young年轻 kid孩子 I didn't know my thinking思维 was different不同.
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但是我小的时候并不知道其他人不是这样思考的
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I thought everybody每个人 thought in pictures图片.
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我想当然的认为,人人都是图像思考者
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And then when I did my book, "Thinking思维 In Pictures图片,"
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后来,我开始写《图像化思考》一书的时候
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I start开始 interviewing面试 people about how they think.
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我开始对别人进行采访,看他们是怎么思考的
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And I was shocked吃惊 to find out that
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我惊讶的发现,我的思维方式
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my thinking思维 was quite相当 different不同. Like if I say,
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那种方式是很不一样的。比如说,
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"Think about a church教会 steeple尖顶"
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“请想象一下教堂的石柱”
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most people get this sort分类 of generalized一般性 generic通用 one.
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大多数人想到的是一个标准答案
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Now, maybe that's not true真正 in this room房间,
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也许这个房间里的人的答案会很不一样
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but it's going to be true真正 in a lot of different不同 places地方.
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但对于大多数的地方来说,这都是适用的
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I see only specific具体 pictures图片.
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而我只是注意到某一类的图像
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They flash up into my memory记忆, just like Google谷歌 for pictures图片.
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它们会飞进我的记忆,就像用谷歌搜索图片一样快
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And in the movie电影, they've他们已经 got a great scene现场 in there
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形成电影,里面的画面还相当精彩
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where the word "shoe" is said, and a whole整个 bunch of '50s and '60s shoes
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比如当提到“鞋子”这个词的时候,我大脑就马上会呈现出
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pop流行的 into my imagination想像力.
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一大堆五六十年代的鞋子
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OK, there is my childhood童年 church教会,
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that's specific具体. There's some more, Fort Collins柯林斯.
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在我的记忆里是如此的精确的。还有更多,比如柯林斯户城
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OK, how about famous著名 ones那些?
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好,那些更为著名的建筑呢?
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And they just kind of come up, kind of like this.
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它们会旋即跳到我的脑海,有点像是这个样子
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Just really quickly很快, like Google谷歌 for pictures图片.
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非常快,像是谷歌图片搜索
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And they come up one at a time,
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每次是出现一张图片
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and then I think, "OK, well maybe we can have it snow,
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我还会想,也许还可以是下雪
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or we can have a thunderstorm雷雨,"
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and I can hold保持 it there and turn them into videos视频.
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还可以将其定格,变成影片
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Now, visual视觉 thinking思维 was a tremendous巨大 asset财富
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对于我来说,视觉思考是一个巨大的财富
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in my work designing设计 cattle-handling牛处理 facilities设备.
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在设计牛群栅栏方面非常有帮助
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And I've worked工作 really hard on improving提高
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我也进行了大量的努力
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how cattle黄牛 are treated治疗 at the slaughter屠宰 plant.
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去改善牛只在屠宰场的境况
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I'm not going to go into any guckygucky slaughter屠宰 slides幻灯片.
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这里就不展示那些充满血腥的屠宰幻灯片了
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I've got that stuff东东 up on YouTubeYouTube的 if you want to look at it.
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在YouTube上面有,要看你们可以自己去看
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But, one of the things that I was able能够 to do in my design设计 work
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is I could actually其实 test测试 run
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a piece of equipment设备 in my mind心神,
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just like a virtual虚拟 reality现实 computer电脑 system系统.
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跟虚拟的计算机系统差不多
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And this is an aerial天线 view视图
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of a recreation娱乐 of one of my projects项目 that was used in the movie电影.
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这是在电影里看到的一个基于我的项目的再创作
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That was like just so super cool.
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那真的是非常妙
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And there were a lot of kind of Asperger阿斯伯格 types类型
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在电影里还有很多其他的 Asperger 和各种自闭症的类型
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and autism自闭症 types类型 working加工 out there on the movie电影 set too.
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电影里都展现出来了
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(Laughter笑声)
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But one of the things that really worries me
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is: Where's哪里 the younger更年轻 version of those kids孩子 going today今天?
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我们今天把这样的孩子带到怎样的方向
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They're not ending结尾 up in Silicon Valley, where they belong属于.
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他们现在不是被带到硅谷那样的地方——那里才是属于他们的世界
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(Laughter笑声)
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Now, one of the things I learned学到了 very early on because I wasn't that social社会,
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is I had to sell my work, and not myself.
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And the way I sold出售 livestock家畜 jobs工作
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is I showed显示 off my drawings图纸, I showed显示 off pictures图片 of things.
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我要把我的画画给他们看,他们需要看到这些图像的东西
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Another另一个 thing that helped帮助 me as a little kid孩子
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is, boy男孩, in the '50s, you were taught manners礼貌.
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我的父母告诉我们,你不能
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You were taught you can't pull the merchandise商品 off the shelves货架
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in the store商店 and throw it around.
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然后又到处乱放
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Now, when kids孩子 get to be in third第三 or fourth第四 grade年级,
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当我见到三四年级的学生时
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you might威力 see that this kid's孩子的 going to be a visual视觉 thinker思想家,
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我可以看出这些孩子会成为视觉思考者
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drawing画画 in perspective透视. Now, I want to
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emphasize注重 that not every一切 autistic自闭症 kid孩子
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好,我还想强调一点
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is going to be a visual视觉 thinker思想家.
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并非每一个自闭症的孩子都是视觉思考者
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Now, I had this brain scan扫描 doneDONE several一些 years年份 ago,
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我几年前完成了这份脑电波的视图
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and I used to joke玩笑 around about having a
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我曾跟别人开玩笑说
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gigantic巨大 Internet互联网 trunk树干 line线
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在我的视觉皮层上
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going deep into my visual视觉 cortex皮质.
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有一条很深的互联网沟壑
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This is tensor张量 imaging成像.
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这是张量成像
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And my great big internet互联网 trunk树干 line线
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从图上可以看到,我的大脑上的互联网沟壑
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is twice两次 as big as the control's控制的.
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是控制组的两倍大小
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The red lines线 there are me,
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红色的代表我
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and the blue蓝色 lines线 are the sex性别 and age-matched年龄匹配 control控制.
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蓝色的是跟我同一性别和年龄的对比测试结果
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And there I got a gigantic巨大 one,
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我的是巨大的
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and the control控制 over there, the blue蓝色 one,
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相比之下,对照组的蓝色区域
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has got a really small one.
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则相当小
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And some of the research研究 now is showing展示
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现在有的研究显示
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is that people on the spectrum光谱 actually其实 think with primary visual视觉 cortex皮质.
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这一圈的人通常都是用她们的主视觉皮层来思考
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Now, the thing is, the visual视觉 thinker's思想家的 just one kind of mind心神.
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但事实上,视觉思考者仅仅是其中一种的心智模式
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You see, the autistic自闭症 mind心神 tends趋向 to be a specialist专家 mind心神 --
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自闭症患者通常都是有特别的心智的
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good at one thing, bad at something else其他.
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她们往往在某一方面做得很棒,在其他方面做得很糟
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And where I was bad was algebra代数. And I was never allowed允许
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我就是代数非常差
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to take geometry几何 or trigTRIG.
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更不用提几何或三角了
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Gigantic巨大 mistake错误: I'm finding发现 a lot of kids孩子 who need to skip跳跃 algebra代数,
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但现在发现这是严重的错误。我发现,有些孩子她们可以跳过代数
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go right to geometry几何 and trigTRIG.
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直接进入三角几何的思维
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Now, another另一个 kind of mind心神 is the pattern模式 thinker思想家.
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另外一种心智就是模式思考
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More abstract抽象. These are your engineers工程师,
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那是更为抽象化的一种思考形态
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your computer电脑 programmers程序员.
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通常工程师或程序员就是这样的心智
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Now, this is pattern模式 thinking思维. That praying祈祷 mantis
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看,这就是模式思考。这个螳螂就是
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is made制作 from a single sheet of paper --
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只用一张纸折叠而成的
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no scotch苏格兰人 tape胶带, no cuts削减.
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没有使用胶布或剪刀
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And there in the background背景 is the pattern模式 for folding折页 it.
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在后面你可以看到折叠的纹路
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Here are the types类型 of thinking思维:
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这就是不同的思考模式
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photo-realistic照片般逼真的 visual视觉 thinkers思想家, like me;
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有视觉思考者
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pattern模式 thinkers思想家, music音乐 and math数学 minds头脑.
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模式思考者,那是音乐家和数学家的心智
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Some of these oftentimes通常情况下 have problems问题 with reading.
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而这些人往往会有阅读上的障碍
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You also will see these kind of problems问题
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with kids孩子 that are dyslexic诵读困难.
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发现这样的特征
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You'll你会 see these different不同 kinds of minds头脑.
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你可以看到这些不同的心智模式
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And then there's a verbal口头 mind心神, they know every一切 fact事实 about everything.
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还有就是言语心智。这些人懂得关于所有事情的一切
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Now, another另一个 thing is the sensory感觉的 issues问题.
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另外一个就是感官问题
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I was really concerned关心 about having to wear穿 this gadget小工具 on my face面对.
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今天要戴这个小话筒,我可真不自在
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And I came来了 in half an hour小时 beforehand预先
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我必须提前半个小时把它戴上
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so I could have it put on and kind of get used to it,
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才能慢慢的适应它
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and they got it bent弯曲 so it's not hitting my chin下巴.
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并且要把它弄弯,才不至于触及我的下巴
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But sensory感觉的 is an issue问题. Some kids孩子 are bothered困扰 by fluorescent lights灯火;
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一些感官上的刺激确实是一个问题。一些孩子就会对日光灯特别过敏
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others其他 have problems问题 with sound声音 sensitivity灵敏度.
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另外一些则对声音反应强烈
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You know, it's going to be variable变量.
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不同的人会有不同程度的反应
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Now, visual视觉 thinking思维 gave me a whole整个 lot of insight眼光
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视觉思考给我带来了全新的视角
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into the animal动物 mind心神.
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去了解动物的心智
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Because think about it: An animal动物 is a sensory-based感觉型 thinker思想家,
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你们不妨想想。动物是一种基于感官的思考者
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not verbal口头 -- thinks in pictures图片,
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它们没有语言,只会通过图像来 思考
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thinks in sounds声音, thinks in smells气味.
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还有是通过声音以及气味
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Think about how much information信息 there is there on the local本地 fire hydrant消防栓.
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你想象一下救火的管子上布满了多少的信息
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He knows知道 who's谁是 been there, when they were there.
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可以看出有谁到过那里,什么时候在哪里
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Are they friend朋友 or foe敌人? Is there anybody任何人 he can go mate伴侣 with?
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他们是不是敌人,是否有配对的同伴等
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There's a ton of information信息 on that fire hydrant消防栓.
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总之,会有一大堆的信息布满在救火管子上
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It's all very detailed详细 information信息,
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并且都是非常详细的信息
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and, looking at these kind of details细节
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通过阅读这些信息
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gave me a lot of insight眼光 into animals动物.
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使我有机会认识到动物的心智
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Now, the animal动物 mind心神, and also my mind心神,
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不管是人的大脑还是动物的大脑
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puts看跌期权 sensory-based感觉型 information信息
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都是将感官的信息
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into categories类别.
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分类进行处理的
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Man on a horse
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人骑在马上
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and a man on the ground地面 --
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跟人站在地面
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that is viewed观看 as two totally完全 different不同 things.
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这是被当成完全不一样的信息来处理的
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You could have a horse that's been abused滥用 by a rider骑士.
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一匹曾被骑手虐待的马
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They'll他们会 be absolutely绝对 fine with the veterinarian兽医
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在兽医面前却表现得很安详
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and with the horseshoerhorseshoer, but you can't ride him.
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在马镫师面前也很温顺,但他们还不能骑那匹马
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You have another另一个 horse, where maybe the horseshoerhorseshoer beat击败 him up
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假如另外一匹马,曾给马镫师狠狠的训了一顿
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and he'll地狱 be terrible可怕 for anything on the ground地面,
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那么这马就会很怕任何地上的东西
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with the veterinarian兽医, but a person can ride him.
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对于兽医也会怕,但是你可以骑它
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Cattle黄牛 are the same相同 way.
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牛也是这样。
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Man on a horse,
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人骑在马上
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a man on foot脚丫子 -- they're two different不同 things.
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跟站在地上,这是两回事
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You see, it's a different不同 picture图片.
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你看到没有,在马的眼里,是两副不一样的画面
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See, I want you to think about just how specific具体 this is.
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请看看这里是多么精细的细节吧
08:29
Now, this ability能力 to put information信息 into categories类别,
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这样一种把信息分类处理的能力
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I find a lot of people are not very good at this.
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很多人都是不擅长的
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When I'm out troubleshooting故障排除 equipment设备
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当我在地里排除设备意外或
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or problems问题 with something in a plant,
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处理种植物上的一些问题
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they don't seem似乎 to be able能够 to figure数字 out, "Do I have a training训练 people issue问题?
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我身边的人似乎看不出那是人员培训的问题
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Or do I have something wrong错误 with the equipment设备?"
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还是设备本身的问题
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In other words, categorize分类 equipment设备 problem问题
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换而言之,就是要将设备问题与
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from a people problem问题.
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人的问题分开来谈
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I find a lot of people have difficulty困难 doing that.
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但我发现很多人都没有掌握这一点
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Now, let's say I figure数字 out it's an equipment设备 problem问题.
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比方说,这是个设备的问题
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Is it a minor次要 problem问题, with something simple简单 I can fix固定?
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那么它是一个小问题,用简单的工具就能解决呢
08:58
Or is the whole整个 design设计 of the system系统 wrong错误?
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还是整个系统的设计问题?
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People have a hard time figuring盘算 that out.
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但人们往往就很难找到答案
09:04
Let's just look at something like, you know,
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我们不妨看一个具体的问题
09:06
solving problems问题 with making制造 airlines航空公司 safer更安全.
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比如如何让飞行变得更加安全
09:08
Yeah, I'm a million-mile百万英里 flier传单.
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没错,我自己就经常要坐飞机
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I do lots and lots of flying飞行,
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我飞过的里程超过一百万英里
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and if I was at the FAAFAA,
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假如我是在法国航空联盟
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what would I be doing a lot of direct直接 observation意见 of?
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我会特别留意去观察什么呢?
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It would be their airplane飞机 tails尾巴.
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我会看他们的飞机机尾
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You know, five fatal致命 wrecks沉船 in the last 20 years年份,
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过去20年里发生了5次带来严重生命损害的坠机事故
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the tail尾巴 either came来了 off or steering操舵 stuff东东 inside the tail尾巴 broke打破
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要么是机尾断落,要么是机尾内部的一些控制装置失灵
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in some way.
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具体形式各不一样
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It's tails尾巴, pure and simple简单.
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飞机机尾本来很简单
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And when the pilots飞行员 walk步行 around the plane平面, guess猜测 what? They can't see
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但是飞行员却没有注意到机尾里面
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that stuff东东 inside the tail尾巴.
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有些什么东西啊
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You know, now as I think about that,
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看到没有,我在讲述这个的时候,我会
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I'm pulling up all of that specific具体 information信息.
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拿出最细致的数据
09:41
It's specific具体. See, my thinking's思考的 bottom-up自下而上.
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非常的精细。大家可以看到,我的思考是自小往上的
09:44
I take all the little pieces and I put the pieces together一起 like a puzzle难题.
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我会收集所有的部件,而后像拼图一样将其拼起来
09:48
Now, here is a horse that was deathly死一般 afraid害怕
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这匹马是非常害怕
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of black黑色 cowboy牛仔 hats帽子.
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黑色的牛仔帽的
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He'd他会 been abused滥用 by somebody with a black黑色 cowboy牛仔 hat帽子.
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因为它曾经被一个戴黑色牛仔帽的骑手虐待过
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White白色 cowboy牛仔 hats帽子, that was absolutely绝对 fine.
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而对于白色的牛仔帽,它就感觉很自然
09:57
Now, the thing is, the world世界 is going to need
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事实上,我们这个世界需要
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all of the different不同 kinds of minds头脑
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各种各样的心智
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to work together一起.
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需要不同的人开展合作
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We've我们已经 got to work on developing发展 all these different不同 kinds of minds头脑.
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我们必须培养不同的心智
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And one of the things that is driving主动 me really crazy,
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其中有一件事让我感到最为不安
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as I travel旅行 around and I do autism自闭症 meetings会议,
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我经常去参加一些自闭症的会议
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is I'm seeing眼看 a lot of smart聪明, geeky令人讨厌, nerdy书呆子 kids孩子,
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我看到很多聪明的自闭症孩子
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and they just aren't very social社会,
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他们不善社交
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and nobody's没有人是 working加工 on developing发展 their interest利益
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也没有人去启发他们发展他们的兴趣
10:20
in something like science科学.
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比如在科学方面的兴趣
10:22
And this brings带来 up the whole整个 thing of my science科学 teacher老师.
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这就让我想到我的科学老师
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My science科学 teacher老师 is shown显示 absolutely绝对 beautifully精美 in the movie电影.
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在电影里,我的老师的形象太美丽了
10:28
I was a goofballgoofball student学生. When I was in high school学校
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我上中学的时候是很捣蛋的
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I just didn't care关心 at all about studying研究,
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根本就不思学业
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until直到 I had Mr先生. Carlock's卡洛克的 science科学 class.
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直到我遇到了Carlock先生的科学课
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He was now Dr博士. Carlock卡洛克 in the movie电影.
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在电影里,他就是 Carlock 博士
10:39
And he got me challenged挑战
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因为他把我带到一个
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to figure数字 out an optical光纤 illusion错觉 room房间.
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充满视觉虚幻的房间
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This brings带来 up the whole整个 thing of you've got to show显示 kids孩子
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这就是说,我们需要把那些有趣的东西带给这些
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interesting有趣 stuff东东.
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自闭症的孩子
10:49
You know, one of the things that I think maybe TEDTED ought应该 to do
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我想,有一件事TED也许可以做到
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is tell all the schools学校 about all the great lectures讲座 that are on TEDTED,
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那就是告诉所有的学校,在TED这里有那么多精彩的演讲
10:55
and there's all kinds of great stuff东东 on the Internet互联网
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在互联网上有那么多精彩的东西
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to get these kids孩子 turned转身 on.
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这些东西都有可能激起这些孩子的兴趣啊
10:59
Because I'm seeing眼看 a lot of these geeky令人讨厌 nerdy书呆子 kids孩子,
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因为我经常在美国中西部以及其他地方
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and the teachers教师 out in the Midwest中西部, and the other parts部分 of the country国家,
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看到这些很机灵又很古怪的孩子
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when you get away from these tech高科技 areas,
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那些地方远离高科技区
11:07
they don't know what to do with these kids孩子.
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那里的老师不知道该怎么教导孩子
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And they're not going down the right path路径.
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而且他们现在所走的路正好是错误的
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The thing is, you can make a mind心神
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有一个不争的事实是,你可以
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to be more of a thinking思维 and cognitive认知 mind心神,
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让每一个孩子变得更加爱思考
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or your mind心神 can be wired有线 to be more social社会.
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也可以让孩子变得更加合群
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And what some of the research研究 now has shown显示 in autism自闭症
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现在有些关于自闭症的研究显示
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is there may可能 by extra额外 wiring接线 back here,
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那些非常出众的人脑中也许有着
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in the really brilliant辉煌 mind心神, and we lose失去 a few少数 social社会 circuits电路 here.
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更多的连线,只是少了一点社交的线路
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It's kind of a trade-off交易 between之间 thinking思维 and social社会.
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也许两者是此消彼长吧
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And then you can get into the point where it's so severe严重
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假如到了极端的话
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you're going to have a person that's going to be non-verbal非语言.
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那个人也许就变成不会说话了
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In the normal正常 human人的 mind心神
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在正常人的大脑里
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language语言 covers盖子 up the visual视觉 thinking思维 we share分享 with animals动物.
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语言的区域是覆盖了视觉的区域的,后者我们跟动物一样享有
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This is the work of Dr博士. Bruce布鲁斯 Miller磨坊主.
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这是 Bruce Miller 博士的论文
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And he studied研究 Alzheimer's老年痴呆症 patients耐心
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他专门研究老年痴呆症患者
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that had frontal前面的 temporal lobe dementia痴呆.
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中的额颞叶痴呆症患者
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And the dementia痴呆 ate out the language语言 parts部分 of the brain,
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这些患者他们的语言区域是被吞噬的
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and then this artwork艺术品 came来了 out of somebody who used to install安装 stereos音响 in cars汽车.
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这是一副画的作者以前的工作是在车里安装了音响设备
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Now, Van面包车 Gogh梵高 doesn't know anything about physics物理,
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凡高并不懂得物理
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but I think it's very interesting有趣
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但非常有趣的是
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that there was some work doneDONE to show显示 that
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有研究表明
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this eddy涡流 pattern模式 in this painting绘画
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在这幅画里的这些起伏的图案
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followed其次 a statistical统计 model模型 of turbulence动乱,
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它实际上是跟湍流的一种统计模型非常像的
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which哪一个 brings带来 up the whole整个 interesting有趣 idea理念
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这就带出一个非常有趣的说法
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of maybe some of this mathematical数学的 patterns模式
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也许这样的数学模型
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is in our own拥有 head.
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就在我们的脑中
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And the Wolfram stuff东东 -- I was taking服用
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刚才 Wolfram 在这里演示的时候
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notes笔记 and I was writing写作 down all the
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我一直在写笔记
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search搜索 words I could use,
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并且记下了那些搜索的关键词
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because I think that's going to go on in my autism自闭症 lectures讲座.
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因为我想到以后关于自闭症的演讲上会用得到
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We've我们已经 got to show显示 these kids孩子 interesting有趣 stuff东东.
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我们必须给这些孩子看有趣的东西
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And they've他们已经 taken采取 out the autoshop汽车店 class
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可惜的是,这些学校竟然将手工课程
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and the drafting制图 class and the art艺术 class.
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绘画以及艺术课程都取消了
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I mean art艺术 was my best最好 subject学科 in school学校.
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and we've我们已经 got to absolutely绝对 work with these kind of minds头脑,
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because we absolutely绝对 are going to need
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these kind of people in the future未来.
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非常需要这样的人才
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And let's talk about jobs工作.
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好吧,我们再讲讲工作
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OK, my science科学 teacher老师 got me studying研究
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because I was a goofballgoofball that didn't want to study研究.
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虽然那时候我是个捣蛋鬼也不爱学习
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But you know what? I was getting得到 work experience经验.
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但你知道吗?我在课堂之外却增长了不少工作经验呢
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I'm seeing眼看 too many许多 of these smart聪明 kids孩子 who haven't没有 learned学到了 basic基本 things,
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like how to be on time.
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I was taught that when I was eight years年份 old.
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还有礼拜天在祖母家的时要怎样有礼貌
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I was taught that when I was very, very young年轻.
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And when I was 13, I had a job工作 at a dressmaker's裁缝的 shop
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sewing针线活 clothes衣服.
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我负责卖衣服
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I did internships实习 in college学院,
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I was building建造 things,
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and I also had to learn学习 how to do assignments任务.
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You know, all I wanted to do was draw pictures图片 of horses马匹 when I was little.
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My mother母亲 said, "Well let's do a picture图片 of something else其他."
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母亲说,“我们画点别的东西吧”
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They've他们已经 got to learn学习 how to do something else其他.
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自闭症的孩子是必须学会做别的东西的
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Let's say the kid孩子 is fixated迷恋 on Legos积木.
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Let's get him working加工 on building建造 different不同 things.
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那我们可以让他去制作不同的东西
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The thing about the autistic自闭症 mind心神
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is it tends趋向 to be fixated迷恋.
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Like if a kid孩子 loves racecars赛车,
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let's use racecars赛车 for math数学.
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Let's figure数字 out how long it takes a racecar赛车 to go a certain某些 distance距离.
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in order订购 to motivate刺激 that kid孩子, that's one of the things we need to do.
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I really get fed美联储 up when they, you know, the teachers教师,
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especially特别 when you get away from this part部分 of the country国家,
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they don't know what to do with these smart聪明 kids孩子.
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——那里的老师不知道怎么教这些孩子
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It just drives驱动器 me crazy.
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这些让我非常不安
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What can visual视觉 thinkers思想家 do when they grow增长 up?
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这些视觉思考者长大后可以做什么呢
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They can do graphic图像 design设计, all kinds of stuff东东 with computers电脑,
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photography摄影, industrial产业 design设计.
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The pattern模式 thinkers思想家, they're the ones那些 that are going to be
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your mathematicians数学家, your software软件 engineers工程师,
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your computer电脑 programmers程序员, all of those kinds of jobs工作.
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程序员以及相关的此类工作
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And then you've got the word minds头脑. They make great journalists记者,
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还有就是那些言语思考者,他们可以成为记者
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and they also make really, really good stage阶段 actors演员.
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还可以成为杰出的演员
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Because the thing about being存在 autistic自闭症 is,
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I had to learn学习 social社会 skills技能 like being存在 in a play.
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我需要学习如何在玩耍中跟别人相处
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It's just kind of -- you just have to learn学习 it.
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这就是我要学习的东西
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And we need to be working加工 with these students学生们.
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我们必须让带动这些学生
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And this brings带来 up mentors导师.
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这就讲到了导师的问题
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You know, my science科学 teacher老师 was not an accredited认可 teacher老师.
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我的科学老师不是一个合资格的教师
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He was a NASANASA space空间 scientist科学家.
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他是一个太空署的科学家
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Now, some states状态 now are getting得到 it to where
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现在美国有些周这样规定
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if you have a degree in biology生物学, or a degree in chemistry化学,
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you can come into the school学校 and teach biology生物学 or chemistry化学.
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你就可以去到中小学教生物或化学
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We need to be doing that.
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我们需要将科学家们这么做
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Because what I'm observing观察 is
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the good teachers教师, for a lot of these kids孩子,
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那些好的老师
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are out in the community社区 colleges高校,
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很多都去了社区大学
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but we need to be getting得到 some of these good teachers教师 into the high schools学校.
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而我们需要鼓励一部分这样的老师去到中学
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Another另一个 thing that can be very, very, very successful成功 is
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还有就是我们国家有很多很多从软件行业退休的人
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there is a lot of people that may可能 have retired退休
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他们可以教孩子
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from working加工 in the software软件 industry行业, and they can teach your kid孩子.
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并且将会是非常非常成功的
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And it doesn't matter if what they teach them is old,
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即使他们教的内容是陈旧的
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because what you're doing is you're lighting灯光 the spark火花.
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重要的是,他们在开启孩子的心智
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You're getting得到 that kid孩子 turned转身 on.
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他们可以为孩子打开崭新的世界
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And you get him turned转身 on, then he'll地狱 learn学习 all the new stuff东东.
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孩子知道世界如此精彩之后,他们就会主动的去学习新的东西
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Mentors导师 are just essential必要.
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所以说,导师是至关重要的
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I cannot不能 emphasize注重 enough足够
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这话再强调也不为过
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what my science科学 teacher老师 did for me.
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我最值得感谢的就是我的导师
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And we've我们已经 got to mentor导师 them, hire聘请 them.
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这些孩子也需要这样的导师,我们需要招募这类人
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And if you bring带来 them in for internships实习 in your companies公司,
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the thing about the autism自闭症, Asperger-y阿斯伯格-Y kind of mind心神,
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you've got to give them a specific具体 task任务. Don't just say, "Design设计 new software软件."
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你要给他们安排具体的工作,不要说,给我做个软件
15:41
You've got to tell them something a lot more specific具体:
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你要把需求的细节说清楚
15:43
"Well, we're designing设计 a software软件 for a phone电话
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“我们正在设计一款手机软件
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and it has to do some specific具体 thing.
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我们需要这些功能
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And it can only use so much memory记忆."
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并且我们的手机内存只有这么多。”
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That's the kind of specificity特异性 you need.
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需要这样的细化
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Well, that's the end结束 of my talk.
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好,我的演讲就到此结束了
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And I just want to thank everybody每个人 for coming未来.
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感谢大家参与
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It was great to be here.
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来到这里我感到非常高兴
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Oh, you've got a question for me? OK.
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噢,你有问题吗?好吧
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Chris克里斯 Anderson安德森: Thank you so much for that.
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安德森:非常感谢您的分享
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You know, you once一旦 wrote, I like this quote引用,
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记得你曾经这么写过,我非常喜欢这句话
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"If by some magic魔法, autism自闭症 had been
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“假如有一天,自闭症可以
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eradicated根除 from the face面对 of the Earth地球,
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借助神力从地球上消失
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then men男人 would still be socializing社交 in front面前 of a wood fire
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人类还是会在洞穴入口处
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at the entrance入口 to a cave洞穴."
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进行篝火聚会。”
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Temple寺庙 Grandin格兰丁: Because who do you think made制作 the first stone spears布兰妮?
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坦普·葛兰丁:你认为是谁制作了第一件的石矛?
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The Asperger阿斯伯格 guy. And if you were to get rid摆脱 of all the autism自闭症 genetics遗传学
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是一个自闭症的男人。假如所有的自闭症基因都消失了
16:35
there would be no more Silicon Valley,
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也许就不会有硅谷了
16:37
and the energy能源 crisis危机 would not be solved解决了.
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能源危机也不可能获得解决
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(掌声)
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CACA: So, I want to ask you a couple一对 other questions问题,
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安德森:我还想问几个问题
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and if any of these feel inappropriate不当,
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假如你觉得它们不合适,你可以不回答
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it's okay just to say, "Next下一个 question."
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你可以直接说“下一个”
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But if there is someone有人 here
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假如这里有人的孩子是
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who has an autistic自闭症 child儿童,
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有自闭症的
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or knows知道 an autistic自闭症 child儿童
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或者他们认识这样的孩子
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and feels感觉 kind of cut off from them,
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并且感到自己跟孩子有一段鸿沟
16:57
what advice忠告 would you give them?
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你会给他们什么建议?
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TGTG: Well, first of all, you've got to look at age年龄.
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葛兰丁:首先你得看年龄
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If you have a two, three or four year old
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假如是两到四岁的话
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you know, no speech言语, no social社会 interaction相互作用,
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并且他们不会讲话不会与人打交道
17:05
I can't emphasize注重 enough足够:
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那我认为必须每周花20个小时进行一对一的训练
17:07
Don't wait, you need at least最小 20 hours小时 a week of one-to-one一到一个 teaching教学.
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这点是决定必要的
17:11
You know, the thing is, autism自闭症 comes in different不同 degrees.
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因为自闭症也是分不同程度的
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There's going to be about half the people on the spectrum光谱
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有一半人他们可能不会说话
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that are not going to learn学习 to talk, and they're not going to be working加工
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他们也许不会到硅谷工作
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Silicon Valley, that would not be a reasonable合理 thing for them to do.
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因为那对于他们而言也不甚合适
17:21
But then you get the smart聪明, geeky令人讨厌 kids孩子
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但是对于那些非常聪明的孩子
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that have a touch触摸 of autism自闭症,
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他们同时又有自闭症
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and that's where you've got to get them turned转身 on
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你就必须唤起他们的兴趣
17:27
with doing interesting有趣 things.
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让他们做有趣的事情
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I got social社会 interaction相互作用 through通过 shared共享 interest利益.
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因为我跟别人有共同的兴趣,我就可以跟别人有接触
17:32
I rode骑着车 horses马匹 with other kids孩子, I made制作 model模型 rockets火箭 with other kids孩子,
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可以跟别的孩子一起骑马,跟别的孩子一起制作火箭模型
17:36
did electronics电子产品 lab实验室 with other kids孩子,
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跟他们一起制作电子实验室
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and in the '60s, it was gluing胶合 mirrors镜子
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在1960年代,那就是
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onto a rubber橡胶 membrane on a speaker扬声器 to make a light show显示.
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在橡胶模上粘上镜子,放到扩音器上,就开始我们的灯光秀
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That was like, we considered考虑 that super cool.
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我们那时候认为这是非常酷的
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CACA: Is it unrealistic不切实际 for them
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安德森:对于家长来说
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to hope希望 or think that that child儿童
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他们希望或者认为自己的孩子也许能够爱他们
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loves them, as some might威力, as most, wish希望?
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这是不是比较不现实?
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TGTG: Well let me tell you, that child儿童 will be loyal忠诚,
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葛兰丁:假如家长这么做,孩子会变得很孝顺
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and if your house is burning燃烧 down, they're going to get you out of it.
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假如家里着火了,他们会把你救出来
17:57
CACA: Wow. So, most people, if you ask them
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安德森:我跟很多人聊天
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what are they most passionate多情 about, they'd他们会 say things like,
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当我问及“你对什么最有热情”这个问题的时候
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"My kids孩子" or "My lover情人."
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他们说是我的孩子以及我的爱人
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What are you most passionate多情 about?
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你对什么最为热情呢?
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TGTG: I'm passionate多情 about that the things I do
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葛兰丁:我对于我所做的事情感到十分热情
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are going to make the world世界 a better place地点.
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并且希望这些事情可以让世界变得更美好
18:12
When I have a mother母亲 of an autistic自闭症 child儿童 say,
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当我听到有母亲说
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"My kid孩子 went to college学院 because of your book,
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“我的孩子现在上大学了,多亏你的书呢
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or one of your lectures讲座," that makes品牌 me happy快乐.
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多亏你的讲座呢。”这是我最开心的时刻
18:18
You know, the slaughter屠宰 plants植物, I've worked工作 with them
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在80年代我在屠宰场工作的时候
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in the '80s; they were absolutely绝对 awful可怕.
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那里非常的糟糕
18:23
I developed发达 a really simple简单 scoring得分 system系统 for slaughter屠宰 plants植物
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我开发了一个非常简单的记分工具
18:27
where you just measure测量 outcomes结果: How many许多 cattle黄牛 fell下跌 down?
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只需计算产出,如有多少的牛跌倒了
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How many许多 cattle黄牛 got poked with the prodder刺戳?
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多少的牛被赶牛棒子捅过
18:31
How many许多 cattle黄牛 are mooing鸣叫 their heads off?
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有多少牛哞哞叫个不停
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And it's very, very simple简单.
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非常非常简单
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You directly observe a few少数 simple简单 things.
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就只关注一些很小的事情
18:37
It's worked工作 really well. I get satisfaction满意 out of
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并且运作的相当好
18:39
seeing眼看 stuff东东 that makes品牌 real真实 change更改
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看到事情发生实际的改变,我心里非常高兴
18:42
in the real真实 world世界. We need a lot more of that,
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我们需要更多这样简单的东西
18:44
and a lot less abstract抽象 stuff东东.
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而不是抽象的东西
18:46
(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
18:53
CACA: When we were talking on the phone电话, one of the things you said that
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安德森:我们电话里聊的时候
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really astonished惊讶 me was you said one thing
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你讲到的一个事情让我感到很惊讶
18:57
you were passionate多情 about was server服务器 farms农场. Tell me about that.
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因为你说你有热情的是服务器农场。能详细说一下吗?
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TGTG: Well the reason原因 why I got really excited兴奋 when I read about that,
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葛兰丁:因为我知道那里
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it contains包含 knowledge知识.
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蕴含了知识
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It's libraries图书馆.
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它就是图书馆
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And to me, knowledge知识 is something
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对我来说,知识就是
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that is extremely非常 valuable有价值. So, maybe, over 10 years年份 ago
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非常宝贵的一种东西
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now our library图书馆 got flooded.
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也许十年后我们的图书馆会变得非常大
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And this is before the Internet互联网 got really big.
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那还是互联网尚未急剧增长的时候
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And I was really upset烦乱 about all the books图书 being存在 wrecked失事,
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每当我看到有人损毁书籍的时候
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because it was knowledge知识 being存在 destroyed销毁.
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我都会感到非常的愤怒,因为那就是知识啊
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And server服务器 farms农场, or data数据 centers中心
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而服务器农场或数据中心
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are great libraries图书馆 of knowledge知识.
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就是巨大的知识图书馆
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CACA: Temple寺庙, can I just say it's an absolute绝对 delight to have you at TEDTED.
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安德森:坦普女士,我们有幸邀请到您来TED,真的十分高兴
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TGTG: Well thank you so much. Thank you.
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葛兰丁:谢谢。谢谢大家。
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(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
Translated by Tony Yet
Reviewed by Jenny Yang

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Temple Grandin - Livestock handling designer, autism activist
Through groundbreaking research and the lens of her own autism, Temple Grandin brings startling insight into two worlds.

Why you should listen

An expert on animal behavior, Temple Grandin has designed humane handling systems for half the cattle-processing facilities in the US, and consults with the meat industry to develop animal welfare guidelines. As PETA wrote when awarding her a 2004 Proggy: “Dr. Grandin's improvements to animal-handling systems found in slaughterhouses have decreased the amount of fear and pain that animals experience in their final hours, and she is widely considered the world's leading expert on the welfare of cattle and pigs.” In 2010, Time Magazine listed her as one of its most Important People of the Year. She is also a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.

Grandin’s books about her interior life as an autistic person have increased the world's understanding of the condition with personal immediacy -- and with import, as rates of autism diagnosis rise. She is revered by animal rights groups and members of autistic community, perhaps because in both regards she is a voice for those who are sometimes challenged to make themselves heard. 

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