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Tom Honey - Priest
The Vicar of St David's Church, Exeter, in the UK, is unafraid to take on some of religion's tougher issues.

Why you should listen

Tom Honey's appeal goes far beyond his own congregation. For years he was the vicar of the church in Oxford attended decades earlier by the Christian thinker C.S. Lewis. As Reverend, Honey built a reputation there for thoughtful sermons that disdained cliche or easy answers. They were often willing to grapple with the darker side of life -- pain, loss, grief -- and the challenges these presented to the concept of a loving God.

These challenges were dramatically highlighted by the devastation of the Indian Ocean tsunami of late 2004 in which some 300,000 people died, making it one of the worst natural disasters in human history. The sermon penned by Honey shortly after was eloquent and powerful enough to win him an invitation to come speak at TED.

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Tom Honey: Why would God create a tsunami?

湯姆·亨利:上帝和海嘯

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在2004年南亞海嘯悲劇後的日子裡,湯姆·亨利牧師一再思考一個問題,“一位慈愛的上帝怎麼能製造這樣的海嘯悲劇呢?“以下是他的答案。
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The Vicar of St David's Church, Exeter, in the UK, is unafraid to take on some of religion's tougher issues. Full bio

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I am a vicar牧師 in the Church教會 of England英國.
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我是一個英格蘭教會的牧師。
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I've been a priest牧師 in the Church教會 for 20 years年份.
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我在教會當牧師已經20年了。
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For most of that time, I've been struggling奮鬥的 and grappling擒拿
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大多數的時間我一直在絞盡腦汁努力
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with questions問題 about the nature性質 of God. Who is God?
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回答有關於上帝本質的問題。上帝是誰?
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And I'm very aware知道的 that when you say the word "God,"
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我很清楚知道,當一開口談上帝時,
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many許多 people will turn off immediately立即.
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很多人會立即腳底抹油跑掉。
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And most people, both within and outside the organized有組織的 church教會,
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而大多數人,無論是教徒或非教徒,
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still have a picture圖片 of a celestial天上 controller調節器,
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都會有這種印像:上帝是天國的控制者;
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a rule規則 maker製作者, a policeman警察 in the sky天空 who orders命令 everything,
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規則裁定者;住在天上的警察,主宰一切,
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and causes原因 everything to happen發生.
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命令一切事發生 。
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He will protect保護 his own擁有 people,
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他將保護他自己的子民,
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and answer回答 the prayers祈禱 of the faithful可信.
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並順應酬答虔誠禱告的信徒。
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And in the worship崇拜 of my church教會,
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而在我的教會禮拜中,
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the most frequently經常 used adjective形容詞 about God is "almighty大能."
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最常用關於上帝的形容詞是“萬能“。
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But I have a problem問題 with that.
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但我卻不這樣認為.
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I have become成為 more and more uncomfortable不舒服
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這些年來,我越來越無法自在
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with this perception知覺 of God over the years年份.
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用這種角度去衡量上帝 。
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Do we really believe that God is the kind of male boss老闆 that we've我們已經 been presenting呈現
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難道我們真的相信那個我們這些年來崇拜和禮敬的神
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in our worship崇拜 and in our liturgies禮儀 over all these years年份?
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是一個男性上司的形象嗎?
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Of course課程, there have been thinkers思想家
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當然,有思想家提出
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who have suggested建議 different不同 ways方法 of looking at God.
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不同的方式來看上帝。
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Exploring探索 the feminine女人, nurturing培育 side of divinity.
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試圖提出上帝具有女性面及培育面的神性。
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Suggesting提示 that God expresses表達 Himself他自己 or Herself她自己 through通過 powerlessness無力感,
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提出上帝會借由他(她)無能為力的一面來示現世人
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rather than power功率.
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而不是只有強權的一面。
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Acknowledging確認 that God is unknown未知 and unknowable不可知 by definition定義.
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承認上帝的定義是未知和不可知。
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Finding查找 deep resonances共振 with other religions宗教 and philosophies哲學
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尋找與其他宗教和哲學更深切的共鳴
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and ways方法 of looking at life as part部分 of what is a universal普遍 and global全球 search搜索 for meaning含義.
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是在宇宙間世界上如何看待追尋生命意義的方法 。
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These ideas思路 are well known已知 in liberal自由主義的 academic學術的 circles,
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這些想法在自由派學術界中早就眾所周知
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but clergy牧師 like myself have been reluctant不情願 to air空氣 them,
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但作為神職人員的我一直不願意公開這種思想,
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for fear恐懼 of creating創建 tension張力 and division in our church教會 communities社區,
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因為怕製造緊張和分裂我們的教會團體,
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for fear恐懼 of upsetting the simple簡單 faith信仰 of more traditional傳統 believers信徒.
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生怕打破了那些比較傳統的信徒們的單純信念。
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I have chosen選擇 not to rock the boat.
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所以我選擇視而不見,不要惹麻煩。
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Then, on December十二月 26th last year, just two months個月 ago,
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然後,在去年12月26日,距離現在僅僅兩個月前,
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that underwater水下 earthquake地震 triggered觸發 the tsunami海嘯.
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海底地震引發海嘯。
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And two weeks later後來, Sunday星期日 morning早上, 9th of January一月,
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兩個星期後,星期日上午,1月9號,
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I found發現 myself standing常設 in front面前 of my congregation集合 --
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我發現自己站在教徒們的前面:
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intelligent智能, well meaning含義, mostly大多 thoughtful周到 Christian基督教 people --
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一群聰明,心善,有思想的基督徒的前面--
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and I needed需要 to express表現, on their behalf代表, our feelings情懷 and our questions問題.
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我必須要發表演說,代表他們,來抒發我們的感情和提出我們的疑問。
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I had my own擁有 personal個人 responses回复, but I also have a public上市 role角色,
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我有我個人的反應,但我也扮演著公共的角色,
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and something needed需要 to be said.
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我是必需要說一些話的。
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And this is what I said.
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下面就是我所說的。
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Shortly不久 after the tsunami海嘯 I read a newspaper報紙 article文章
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海嘯發生後不久,我看了報紙上
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written書面 by the Archbishop大主教 of Canterbury坎特伯雷 -- fine title標題 --
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坎特伯雷大主教寫的文章--很棒的文章--
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about the tragedy悲劇 in Southern南部的 Asia亞洲.
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關於南亞的悲劇。
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The essence本質 of what he said was this:
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文中要義是:那些被海嘯摧毀所有
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the people most affected受影響 by the devastation毀壞 and loss失利 of life
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及失去至親好友生命的難民,
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do not want intellectual知識分子 theories理論 about how God let this happen發生.
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並不想聽思想學給他們一個合理的解釋:上帝為什麼讓這種事情發生。
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He wrote, "If some religious宗教 genius天才 did come up with an explanation說明
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他寫道:「如果某些宗教天才能想出了一個好理由,
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of exactly究竟 why all these deaths死亡 made製作 sense,
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究竟為什麼這些死亡是有道理的,
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would we feel happier幸福, or safer更安全, or more confident信心 in God?"
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我們就會感到更快樂嗎,或者更安全,更信上帝嗎?」
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If the man in the photograph照片 that appeared出現 in the newspapers報紙,
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如果在報紙上在照片中出現的男人,
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holding保持 the hand of his dead child兒童 was standing常設 in front面前 of us now,
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那個手掌緊緊的握著他死去小孩的手的人,站在我們面前,
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there are no words that we could say to him.
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我們有什麼話可以對他說?
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A verbal口頭 response響應 would not be appropriate適當.
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任何言語都不恰當.
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The only appropriate適當 response響應 would be a compassionate富於同情心的 silence安靜
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唯一適當的回應是充滿同情心的沉默
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and some kind of practical實際的 help.
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和某種實質上的幫助。
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It isn't a time for explanation說明, or preaching說教, or theology神學;
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這不是解釋的時機或說教,或佈道的時候,
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it's a time for tears眼淚.
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這是一個憂傷含淚的時候 。
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This is true真正. And yet然而 here we are, my church教會 in Oxford牛津,
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沒錯,我的教會在牛津,
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semi-detached半獨立 from events事件 that happened發生 a long way away,
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因為相隔十萬八千里,受海嘯災區影響微弱,
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but with our faith信仰 bruised傷痕累累.
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但是我們的信仰卻受內傷 。
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And we want an explanation說明 from God.
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我們希望上帝給我們一個解釋 。
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We demand需求 an explanation說明 from God.
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我們要求上帝作出解釋。
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Some have concluded總結 that we can only believe in a God who shares分享 our pain疼痛.
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有些人最後的結論是相信上帝在分擔我們的痛苦。
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In some way, God must必須 feel the anguish痛苦, and grief哀思,
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一定是這樣,上帝一定會感受到我們所受的痛苦,
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and physical物理 pain疼痛 that we feel.
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憂傷,和身體上的疼痛 。
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In some way the eternal永恆 God must必須 be able能夠 to enter輸入 into the souls靈魂 of human人的 beings眾生
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毫無疑問的,永恆的上帝一定會探觸到人類的靈魂,
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and experience經驗 the torment折磨 within.
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且共同來承受痛苦折磨。
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And if this is true真正, it must必須 also be that God knows知道 the joy喜悅 and exaltation提高
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如果這是真的,那麼上帝一定知道喜悅和
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of the human人的 spirit精神, as well.
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激勵人們的兩個精神領域。
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We want a God who can weep哭泣 with those who weep哭泣,
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我們希望的上帝當我們傷心時陪伴著我們哭泣,
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and rejoice with those who rejoice.
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當我們歡樂時分享著我們高興。
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This seems似乎 to me both a deeply moving移動 and a convincing使人信服 re-statement再次聲明
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對我來說,這重新撰釋基督教信仰的上帝的宣言深深的令人感動
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of Christian基督教 belief信仰 about God.
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和令人信服。
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For hundreds數以百計 of years年份, the prevailing優勢 orthodoxy正統, the accepted公認 truth真相,
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數百年來,正統的及已接受的真相便是,
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was that God the Father父親, the Creator創造者, is unchanging不變
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上帝是天父,造物主,是不變的,
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and therefore因此 by definition定義 cannot不能 feel pain疼痛 or sadness.
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因此被定義成沒有疼痛或悲傷的情緒反映。
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Now the unchanging不變 God feels感覺 a bit cold and indifferent冷漠 to me.
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現在這不變上帝令我感覺到有點冷漠,令人不解 。
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And the devastating破壞性的 events事件 of the 20th century世紀
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而20世紀的許多災難性事件,
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have forced被迫 people to question the cold, unfeeling冷酷 God.
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促使人們質疑為什麼上帝那麼冷漠無情呢。
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The slaughter屠宰 of millions百萬 in the trenches戰壕 and in the death死亡 camps營地
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千百萬的人被屠殺在戰壕裡和死亡集中營裡,
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have caused造成 people to ask, "Where is God in all this?
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令人們不禁要問:上帝您在那裡啊?
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Who is God in all this?"
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在這一切的痛苦中您扮演什麼角色?
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And the answer回答 was, "God is in this with us,
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答案是:「上帝時時與我們同在,
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or God doesn't deserve值得 our allegiance忠誠 anymore."
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否則上帝不值得我們效忠 。 」
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If God is a bystander旁觀者, observing觀察 but not involved參與,
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如果上帝只是一個旁觀者,只是觀察,但不參與,
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then God may可能 well exist存在, but we don't want to know about Him.
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那麼,上帝可能存在,但我們不想了解他。
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Many許多 Jews猶太人 and Christians基督徒 now feel like this, I know.
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許多猶太人和基督徒現在都有相同感受,我知道。
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And I am among其中 them.
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因為我也是其中之一。
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So we have a suffering痛苦 God --
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因此,我們有一個飽受折磨的神 。
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a God who is intimately密切 connected連接的 with this world世界 and with every一切 living活的 soul靈魂.
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緊密連接這個世界,慈眼視眾生,關念每個人的靈魂。
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I very much relate涉及 to this idea理念 of God.
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我很贊同這個關於上帝的想法 。
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But it isn't enough足夠. I need to ask some more questions問題,
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但這還不夠。我需要探討更多的問題,
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and I hope希望 they are questions問題 that you will want to ask, as well,
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我希望這些問題您也想知道,
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some of you.
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至少在坐的一些人想知道。
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Over the last few少數 weeks I have been struck來襲 by the number of times
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過去的幾禮拜裡,我已經好幾次在
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that words in our worship崇拜 have felt a bit inappropriate不當, a bit dodgy躲閃的.
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我們的崇拜儀式中感受到有點不適當,和有點騙人的感覺。
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We have a pram嬰兒車 service服務 on Tuesday星期二 mornings早晨 for mums媽媽 and their pre-school學前教育 children孩子.
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每個星期二早晨我們為媽媽和他們的學前兒童舉行一個親子教室。
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And last week we sang with the children孩子 one of their favorite喜愛 songs歌曲,
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上週我們與孩子們唱一首他們都喜愛的歌曲,
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"The Wise明智的 Man Built內置 His House Upon the Rock."
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〈聰明的人把房子建在磐石上〉。
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Perhaps也許 some of you know it. Some of the words go like this:
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也許在坐的有些人知道這首歌.有些歌詞是這樣的:
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"The foolish man built內置 his house upon the sand /
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「 愚蠢的人把房子建在沙上/
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And the floods洪水 came來了 up / And the house on the sand went crash緊急."
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海水來了/沙灘上的房子崩潰了。」
08:31
Then in the same相同 week, at a funeral葬禮,
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然後在同一周,在一個葬禮上,
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we sang the familiar hymn聖歌 "We Plow the Fields字段 and Scatter分散,"
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我們唱起了熟悉的讚美詩〈我們犁田和播種〉,
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a very English英語 hymn聖歌.
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典型英國的讚美詩歌。
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In the second第二 verse comes the line, "The wind and waves波浪 obey遵守 Him."
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在第二章句有一行是:「 風和海都必須服從祂」。
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Do they? I don't feel we can sing that song歌曲 again in church教會,
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真的嗎?海嘯發生後,我不覺得我們能在教堂
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after what's happened發生.
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再唱這首歌 。
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So the first big question is about control控制.
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因此,第一個問題是關於統制駕馭。
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Does God have a plan計劃 for each of us? Is God in control控制?
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上帝決定每個人的命運嗎?上帝在獨攬管制世人嗎?
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Does God order訂購 each moment時刻? Does the wind and the waves波浪 obey遵守 Him?
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每件事件的發生都是上帝的旨意嗎?上帝可以呼風喚雨?
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From time to time,
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一次又一次,
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one hears就听 Christians基督徒 telling告訴 the story故事 of how God organized有組織的 things for them,
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我們聽到基督徒強調上帝是如何為他們安排人生,
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so that everything worked工作 out all right --
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所以一切均有完美結局 。
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some difficulty困難 overcome克服, some illness疾病 cured治愈, some trouble麻煩 averted避免,
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克服一些難解的困難,治好有些醫師束手無策的疾病,避免有些麻煩,
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a parking停車處 space空間 found發現 at a crucial關鍵 time.
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甚至在一個關鍵時刻找到一個停車位。
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I can remember記得 someone有人 saying this to me,
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我記得有人對我說這些奇蹟時,
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with her eyes眼睛 shining閃亮的 with enthusiasm熱情 at this wonderful精彩 confirmation確認 of her faith信仰
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她的眼睛閃閃發光,熱情的見證對上帝的信心
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and the goodness善良 of God.
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和上帝的真善美 。
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But if God can or will do these things --
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但是,如果上帝能夠或會做這些事情
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intervene干預 to change更改 the flow of events事件 --
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--介入改變事件發生的結果--
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then surely一定 he could have stopped停止 the tsunami海嘯.
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那麼他一定能夠阻止海嘯。
09:55
Do we have a local本地 God who can do little things like parking停車處 spaces空間,
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我們是否有一個地區性的上帝,可以做一些小事:像是找車位,
10:00
but not big things like 500 mile-per-hour英里每小時 waves波浪?
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但卻不去阻止每小時500英里的海浪?
10:04
That's just not acceptable接受 to intelligent智能 Christians基督徒,
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這是有智慧的基督徒不能接受的,
10:09
and we must必須 acknowledge確認 it.
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我們必須承認這一點。
10:11
Either God is responsible主管 for the tsunami海嘯,
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上帝要不是必須為此災難負責(創造海嘯),
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or God is not in control控制.
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就是根本不法控制海嘯。
10:18
After the tragedy悲劇, survival生存 stories故事 began開始 to emerge出現.
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悲劇發生後,許多倖存者的故事開始流傳。
10:21
You probably大概 heard聽說 some of them:
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你可能聽說過一些。
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the man who surfed衝浪 the wave,
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一名男子隨浪潮衝浪竟存活。
10:25
the teenage青少年 girl女孩 who recognized認可 the danger危險
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十幾歲的女孩瞭解到海嘯危險,
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because she had just been learning學習 about tsunamis海嘯 at school學校.
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因為她剛在校學習過。
10:31
Then there was the congregation集合 who had left their usual通常 church教會 building建造 on the shore支撐
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然後有一群教徒當天離開了他們在一貫使用的岸邊教堂
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to hold保持 a service服務 in the hills丘陵.
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改在山上禮拜。
10:38
The preacher牧師 delivered交付 an extra額外 long sermon講道,
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那天牧師花在講道時間異常的長。
10:42
so that they were still out of harm's傷害的 way when the wave struck來襲.
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所以,他們當海嘯襲擊時他們沒被傷害。
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Afterwards之後 someone有人 said that God must必須 have been looking after them.
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後來有人說,上帝一定在照顧保護他們。
10:54
So the next下一個 question is about partiality偏心.
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因此,接下來的問題是關於偏袒。
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Can we earn God's favor偏愛 by worshipping崇拜 Him or believing相信 in Him?
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是不是必須要相信他,崇拜他才能贏得上帝的青睞呢?
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Does God demand需求 loyalty忠誠, like any medieval中世紀 tyrant暴君?
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是不是上帝要求忠誠像中世紀暴君一樣?
11:06
A God who looks容貌 after His own擁有, so that Christians基督徒 are OK,
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上帝只照顧自己的子民.所以,基督徒可以平安,
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while everyone大家 else其他 perishes?
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而其他人就任其滅亡?
11:15
A cosmic宇宙的 us and them, and a God who is guilty有罪 of the worst最差 kind of favoritism偏愛?
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在同一個宇宙,有我,有您,和一個有最惡劣的偏袒罪行的上帝?
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That would be appalling駭人聽聞的,
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這將是駭人聽聞的,
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and that would be the point at which哪一個 I would hand in my membership.
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如果這樣子,我將放棄我的會員資格。
11:32
Such這樣 a God would be morally道德 inferior to the highest最高 ideals理想 of humanity人性.
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這樣的上帝在道德上不如人類中的聖人。(具人性最高理念)
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So who is God, if not the great puppet-master木偶大師 or the tribal部落的 protector保護者?
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那麼,誰是上帝,如果他不是木偶戲大師或部落的保護者?
11:47
Perhaps也許 God allows允許 or permits許可證 terrible可怕 things to happen發生,
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也許上帝允許可怕事情發生,
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so that heroism英雄主義 and compassion同情 can be shown顯示.
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讓英雄主義和同情心可以被激發。
11:55
Perhaps也許 God is testing測試 us: testing測試 our charity慈善機構, or our faith信仰.
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也許上帝是考驗我們:考驗我們的慈善,或者我們的信仰。
12:00
Perhaps也許 there is a great, cosmic宇宙的 plan計劃 that allows允許 for horrible可怕 suffering痛苦
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也許另一個偉大的宇宙計劃將實現,所以會有可怕的天災人禍,
12:04
so that everything will work out OK in the end結束.
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因為要從新洗牌,為美麗遠景而受苦。
12:07
Perhaps也許, but these ideas思路 are all just variations變化 on God controlling控制 everything,
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或許吧! 但這些想法都只是對上帝是主宰者的不同聯想。
12:16
the supreme最高 commander指揮官 toying玩弄 with expendable消耗 units單位 in a great campaign運動.
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最高統帥在巨大的活動中,玩弄著可被消耗的單位。
12:23
We are still left with a God who can do the tsunami海嘯 and allow允許 Auschwitz奧斯威辛.
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我們的上帝還是那個製造海嘯,同意奥斯威辛死亡集中營的神 。
12:31
In his great novel小說, "The Brothers兄弟 Karamazov卡拉馬佐夫," Dostoevsky陀思妥耶夫斯基 gives these words to Ivan伊万,
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費奧多爾·陀思妥耶夫斯基(Dostoevsky)在他偉大小說〈卡拉馬佐夫兄弟〉中寫了這些話給艾本(Ivan),
12:38
addressed解決 to his naive幼稚 and devout虔誠的 younger更年輕 brother哥哥, Alyosha阿遼沙:
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這些話是告訴他天真和虔誠的弟弟,阿憂沙(Alyosha):
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"If the sufferings痛苦 of children孩子 go to make up the sum of sufferings痛苦
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「 如果須要累積總合無數次孩子們的痛苦
12:47
which哪一個 is necessary必要 for the purchase採購 of truth真相,
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才有足夠的能力購買真理,
12:50
then I say beforehand預先 that the entire整個 truth真相 is not worth價值 such這樣 a price價錢.
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那我想先說,這個真理不值得購買。
12:58
We cannot不能 afford給予 to pay工資 so much for admission入場.
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我們付不起這麼多的入場費。
13:02
It is not God that I do not accept接受.
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不是說我不接受上帝(而是這過程,我不能承受),
13:05
I merely僅僅, most respectfully尊敬, return返回 Him the ticket."
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我只好用最虔誠的態度,把進入(天國)的門票還給上帝。」
13:13
Or perhaps也許 God set the whole整個 universe宇宙 going at the beginning開始
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或者當上帝創造整個宇宙時,
13:17
and then relinquished放棄 control控制 forever永遠,
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就決定永遠放棄控制,
13:20
so that natural自然 processes流程 could occur發生, and evolution演化 run its course課程.
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所以該在自然過程會發生的就發生,而演化過程也扮演其該有的角色 。
13:25
This seems似乎 more acceptable接受,
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這解釋似乎比較容易接受,
13:27
but it still leaves樹葉 God with the ultimate最終 moral道德 responsibility責任.
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但上帝還是背負終極的道德責任 。
13:35
Is God a cold, unfeeling冷酷 spectator觀眾?
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難道上帝是冷漠無情的觀眾?
13:39
Or a powerless無力 lover情人, watching觀看 with infinite無窮 compassion同情
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或是一個無能為力的愛人,眼睜睜看著無數次悲哀
13:44
things God is unable無法 to control控制 or change更改?
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卻無法控制或改變?
13:48
Is God intimately密切 involved參與 in our suffering痛苦,
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還是上帝密切參與我們的痛苦,
13:52
so that He feels感覺 it in His own擁有 being存在?
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所以他也深切的體會那份苦?
13:58
If we believe something like this, we must必須 let go of the puppet-master木偶大師 completely全然,
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如果我們相信這樣的推理,我們必須完全放棄木偶大師的上帝形象,
14:04
take our leave離開 of the almighty大能 controller調節器, abandon放棄 traditional傳統 models楷模.
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拋開全能控制者上帝的理念,拋棄傳統的模式。
14:09
We must必須 think again about God.
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我們一定要從新將上帝定位。
14:13
Maybe God doesn't do things at all.
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也許上帝根本什麼也沒做(沒有創造所有的災難)。
14:18
Maybe God isn't an agent代理人 like all of us are agents代理.
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也許人類才是所有災禍的媒介,不是上帝。
14:23
Early religious宗教 thought conceived設想 God as a sort分類 of superhuman超人 person,
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早期的宗教思想,設想上帝是超人。
14:28
doing things all over the place地點.
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在每個不同角落,做每件事。
14:30
Beating毆打 up the Egyptians埃及人, drowning溺死 them in the Red Sea, wasting浪費 cities城市, getting得到 angry憤怒.
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毆打埃及人,把他們淹死在紅海裡,摧毀整個城市,(因為埃及人惹)上帝生氣。
14:37
The people knew知道 their God by His mighty威武 acts行為.
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人們瞭解的上帝是透過祂的偉大神跡。
14:41
But what if God doesn't act法案? What if God doesn't do things at all?
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但是,如果上帝沒有採取任何行動? 如果上帝根本沒有做任何事?
14:48
What if God is in things?
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又如果上帝是與任何事件共同存在?
14:52
The loving愛心 soul靈魂 of the universe宇宙.
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是存在宇宙間充滿愛心的靈魂。
14:55
An in-dwelling留置 compassionate富於同情心的 presence存在, underpinning托底 and sustaining維持 all things.
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是支撐和維持一切事物的一種內在的仁慈善心。
15:03
What if God is in things?
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可不可能上帝是與任何事件共同存在呢?
15:07
In the infinitely無限地 complex複雜 network網絡 of relationships關係 and connections連接 that make up life.
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在無限複雜的關係網和連接中形成生命。
15:13
In the natural自然 cycle週期 of life and death死亡,
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所以必須遵循自然法則--有生有死,
15:17
the creation創建 and destruction毀壞 that must必須 happen發生 continuously一直.
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創造和破壞,一定會不斷發生。
15:23
In the process處理 of evolution演化.
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上帝是在自然的進化的過程中。
15:25
In the incredible難以置信 intricacy複雜 and magnificence壯麗 of the natural自然 world世界.
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是在令人難以置信的錯綜複雜中和壯麗的自然世界中。
15:31
In the collective集體 unconscious無意識, the soul靈魂 of the human人的 race種族.
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在潛意識中,與人類的靈魂同在。
15:35
In you, in me, mind心神 and body身體 and spirit精神.
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與您,與我,與我們的記憶,我們的身體和靈魂同在。
15:42
In the tsunami海嘯, in the victims受害者. In the depth深度 of things.
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在海嘯中,與受難者同在。滲入事件的深處.
15:47
In presence存在 and in absence缺席. In simplicity簡單 and complexity複雜.
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與存在和失落同在,在簡單中也在繁雜中 。
15:52
In change更改 and development發展 and growth發展.
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在變異,發展和茁壯中存在 。
15:57
How does this in-ness在岬, this innernessinnerness, this interiority內在 of God work?
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如何解釋上帝這種「同在性 」,「內心性 」,「內在性 」的特質呢?
16:02
It's hard to conceive構想, and begs乞求 more questions問題.
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這想法很難被接受,因此引出更多的疑問。
16:06
Is God just another另一個 name名稱 for the universe宇宙,
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是不是上帝只是宇宙的另一個名稱,
16:09
with no independent獨立 existence存在 at all?
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根本沒有獨立存在過呢?
16:11
I don't know.
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我不知道。
16:13
To what extent程度 can we ascribe歸咎於 personality個性 to God?
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在何種程度上,我們可以賦予上帝多少人格特質?
16:20
I don't know.
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我不知道。
16:22
In the end結束, we have to say, "I don't know."
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最終,我們不得不說:「我不知道。」
16:26
If we knew知道, God would not be God.
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如果我們知道,上帝就不是上帝了。
16:29
To have faith信仰 in this God
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對上帝的信心
16:31
would be more like trusting信任的 an essential必要 benevolence in the universe宇宙,
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應該跟相信世界裡有一個根本的善念一樣,
16:37
and less like believing相信 a system系統 of doctrinal教義 statements聲明.
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而不是只是相信刻板理論教條的上帝。
16:41
Isn't it ironic具有諷刺意味 that Christians基督徒 who claim要求 to believe
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對基督徒的我們而言這不是很諷刺嗎?
16:45
in an infinite無窮, unknowable不可知 being存在
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我們宣稱我們相信無限和不可知,
16:47
then tie領帶 God down in closed關閉 systems系統 and rigid死板 doctrines學說?
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然而卻用封閉系統和僵化教條來困鎖我們的上帝。
16:54
How could one practice實踐 such這樣 a faith信仰?
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那麼如何能實踐這種對上帝的信念呢?
16:59
By seeking the God within. By cultivating培育 my own擁有 inwardness天性.
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在內心深處尋求上帝,通過培養自己的內在。
17:07
In silence安靜, in meditation冥想, in my inner space空間, in the me that remains遺跡
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在寂靜,在打坐中,在我的內在世界中,在我們安心自在裡
17:15
when I gently平緩 put aside在旁邊 my passing通過 emotions情緒 and ideas思路 and preoccupations當務之急.
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拋棄我們的情緒,想法和偏見時所萃取出純真的我們中,
17:24
In awareness意識 of the inner conversation會話.
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在我們自我檢視的過程中 。
17:27
And how would we live生活 such這樣 a faith信仰? How would I live生活 such這樣 a faith信仰?
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那麼我們如何能活出這樣的信念呢?我又將如何能在生活中實踐這樣的信仰呢?
17:33
By seeking intimate親密 connection連接 with your inwardness天性.
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經由尋求與您的內在密切聯繫 。
17:38
The kind of relationships關係 when deep speaks說話 to deep.
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是那種乳水交融的關係.
17:42
If God is in all people, then there is a meeting會議 place地點
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如果上帝存在所有的人中,那麼就有一個地方,
17:46
where my relationship關係 with you becomes a three-way三路 encounter遭遇.
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在那兒我跟您的關係是三方面的接觸,是相通的 。
17:51
There is an Indian印度人 greeting歡迎, which哪一個 I'm sure some of you know:
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印度有句問候語,我敢肯定,你們有些人會知道:
17:57
"Namaste合十禮," accompanied伴隨著 by a respectful尊敬的 bow,
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〈Namaste〉(〈合十禮〉)伴隨著恭敬的一鞠躬,
18:01
which哪一個, roughly大致 translated翻譯 means手段,
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大致翻譯的意思是
18:05
"That which哪一個 is of God in me greets招呼 that which哪一個 of God is in you."
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「 我心中的神跟您心中的神打招呼」 。
18:10
Namaste合十禮.
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〈合十禮〉。
18:15
And how would one deepen深化 such這樣 a faith信仰?
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那我們如何加強這種信念呢?
18:18
By seeking the inwardness天性 which哪一個 is in all things.
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通過追索所有的事物的內在層面。
18:21
In music音樂 and poetry詩歌, in the natural自然 world世界 of beauty美女
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在悠揚樂章中在動人詩歌中,在欣賞美麗的自然世界中
18:26
and in the small ordinary普通 things of life,
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和處理日常生活中的瑣碎小事中。
18:29
there is a deep, indwelling留置 presence存在 that makes品牌 them extraordinary非凡.
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因為這些事務中都包含一個深奧的道德,所以不平凡.(一花一世界)
18:34
It needs需求 a profound深刻 attentiveness注意力 and a patient患者 waiting等候,
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是須要深刻徹底的關注和耐心才能完成 。
18:41
a contemplative沉思 attitude態度 and a generosity慷慨 and openness透明度
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是須要深思熟慮的態度和慷慨開放的胸襟
18:46
to those whose誰的 experience經驗 is different不同 from my own擁有.
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來接受與我們不同的背景的他人 。
18:51
When I stood站在 up to speak說話 to my people about God and the tsunami海嘯,
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當我站在我的教友前,對他們講有關上帝和海嘯時,
18:54
I had no answers答案 to offer提供 them.
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我沒有任何的答案可給他們。
18:58
No neat整齊 packages of faith信仰, with Bible聖經 references引用 to prove證明 them.
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聖經中沒有完善的標準答案,我無法找到可參考証明的任何有關資料 。
19:03
Only doubts疑惑 and questioning疑問 and uncertainty不確定.
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所以只剩下懷疑,疑問和不確定 。
19:08
I had some suggestions建議 to make --
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我想提出一些建議,使
19:11
possible可能 new ways方法 of thinking思維 about God.
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--是否能用新的思維方式來將上帝定位。
19:14
Ways方法 that might威力 allow允許 us to go on, down a new and uncharted未知 road.
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一條新的和未經探測的思考方式讓我們可能繼續下去 。
19:20
But in the end結束, the only thing I could say for sure was, "I don't know,"
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最後,我唯一能肯定地的是:「我不知道」,
19:28
and that just might威力 be the most profoundly深深 religious宗教 statement聲明 of all.
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而這或許也是我最深切的宗教聲明。
19:34
Thank you.
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謝謝。
Translated by Inder Peng(彭)
Reviewed by Ana Choi

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Tom Honey - Priest
The Vicar of St David's Church, Exeter, in the UK, is unafraid to take on some of religion's tougher issues.

Why you should listen

Tom Honey's appeal goes far beyond his own congregation. For years he was the vicar of the church in Oxford attended decades earlier by the Christian thinker C.S. Lewis. As Reverend, Honey built a reputation there for thoughtful sermons that disdained cliche or easy answers. They were often willing to grapple with the darker side of life -- pain, loss, grief -- and the challenges these presented to the concept of a loving God.

These challenges were dramatically highlighted by the devastation of the Indian Ocean tsunami of late 2004 in which some 300,000 people died, making it one of the worst natural disasters in human history. The sermon penned by Honey shortly after was eloquent and powerful enough to win him an invitation to come speak at TED.

More profile about the speaker
Tom Honey | Speaker | TED.com