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Joanne Chory: How supercharged plants could slow climate change
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Plants are amazing machines -- for millions of years, they've taken carbon dioxide out of the air and stored it underground, keeping a crucial check on the global climate. Plant geneticist Joanne Chory is working to amplify this special ability: with her colleagues at the Salk Plant Molecular and Cellular Biology Laboratory, she's creating plants that can store more carbon, deeper underground, for hundreds of years. Learn more about how these supercharged plants could help slow climate change. (This ambitious plan is a part of the Audacious Project, TED's initiative to inspire and fund global change.)
Joanne Chory - Plant geneticist
Recognized as one of the greatest scientific innovators of our time, Joanne Chory studies the genetic codes of plants. Her goal: to use plants to help fight climate change. Full bio
Recognized as one of the greatest scientific innovators of our time, Joanne Chory studies the genetic codes of plants. Her goal: to use plants to help fight climate change. Full bio
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I recently had an epiphany.
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I realized that I could
actually play a role
actually play a role
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in solving one of the biggest problems
that faces mankind today,
that faces mankind today,
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and that is the problem of climate change.
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It also dawned on me that
I had been working for 30 years or more
I had been working for 30 years or more
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just to get to this point in my life
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where I could actually make
this contribution to a bigger problem.
this contribution to a bigger problem.
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And every experiment
that I have done in my lab
that I have done in my lab
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over the last 30 years
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and people who work for me
did in my lab over the last 30 years
did in my lab over the last 30 years
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has been directed toward doing
the really big experiment,
the really big experiment,
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this one last big experiment.
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So who am I?
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I'm a plant geneticist.
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I live in a world where there's
too much CO2 in the atmosphere
too much CO2 in the atmosphere
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because of human activity.
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But I've come to appreciate the plants
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as amazing machines that they are,
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whose job has been, really,
to just suck up CO2.
to just suck up CO2.
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And they do it so well,
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because they've been doing it
for over 500 million years.
for over 500 million years.
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And they're really good at it.
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And so ...
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I also have some urgency
I want to tell you about.
I want to tell you about.
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As a mother, I want to give
my two children a better world
my two children a better world
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than I inherited from my parents,
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it would be nicer to keep it going
in the right direction,
in the right direction,
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not the bad direction.
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But I also ...
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I've had Parkinson's
for the last 15 years,
for the last 15 years,
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and this gives me a sense of urgency
that I want to do this now,
that I want to do this now,
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while I feel good enough
to really be part of this team.
to really be part of this team.
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And I have an incredible team.
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We all work together,
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and this is something we want to do
because we have fun.
because we have fun.
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And if you're only going to have
five people trying to save the planet,
five people trying to save the planet,
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you better like each other,
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because you're going to be spending
a lot of time together.
a lot of time together.
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(Laughter)
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OK, alright. But enough about me.
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Let's talk about CO2.
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CO2 is the star of my talk.
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Now, most of you probably think
of CO2 as a pollutant.
of CO2 as a pollutant.
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Or perhaps you think of CO2
as the villain in the novel, you know?
as the villain in the novel, you know?
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It's always the dark side of CO2.
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But as a plant biologist,
I see the other side of CO2, actually.
I see the other side of CO2, actually.
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And that CO2 that we see,
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we see it differently because
I think we remember, as plant biologists,
I think we remember, as plant biologists,
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something you may have forgotten.
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And that is that plants actually
do this process called photosynthesis.
do this process called photosynthesis.
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And when they do photosynthesis --
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all carbon-based life on our earth
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is all because of the CO2 that plants
and other photosynthetic microbes
and other photosynthetic microbes
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have dragged in from CO2
that was in the atmosphere.
that was in the atmosphere.
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And almost all of the carbon in your body
came from air, basically.
came from air, basically.
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So you come from air,
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and it's because of photosynthesis,
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because what plants do
is they use the energy in sunlight,
is they use the energy in sunlight,
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take that CO2 and fix it into sugars.
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It's a great thing.
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And the other thing
that is really important
that is really important
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for what I'm going to tell you today
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is that plants and other
photosynthetic microbes
photosynthetic microbes
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have a great capacity for doing this --
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twentyfold or more than the amount
of CO2 that we put up
of CO2 that we put up
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because of our human activities.
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And so, even though
we're not doing a great job
we're not doing a great job
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at cutting our emissions and things,
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plants have the capacity,
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as photosynthetic organisms, to help out.
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So we're hoping that's what they'll do.
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But there's a catch here.
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We have to help the plants
a little ourselves,
a little ourselves,
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because what plants like to do
is put most of the CO2 into sugars.
is put most of the CO2 into sugars.
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And when the end
of the growing season comes,
of the growing season comes,
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the plant dies and decomposes,
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and then all that work they did
to suck out the CO2 from the atmosphere
to suck out the CO2 from the atmosphere
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and make carbon-based biomass
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is now basically going right back up
in the atmosphere as CO2.
in the atmosphere as CO2.
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So how can we get plants to redistribute
the CO2 they bring in
the CO2 they bring in
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into something that's
a little more stable?
a little more stable?
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And so it turns out
that plants make this product,
that plants make this product,
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and it's called suberin.
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This is a natural product
that is in all plant roots.
that is in all plant roots.
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And suberin is really cool,
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because as you can see there, I hope,
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everywhere you see a black dot,
that's a carbon.
that's a carbon.
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There's hundreds of them in this molecule.
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And where you see those few red dots,
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those are oxygens.
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And oxygen is what microbes like to find
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so they can decompose a plant.
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So you can see why this is
a perfect carbon storage device.
a perfect carbon storage device.
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And actually it can stabilize
the carbon that gets fixed by the plant
the carbon that gets fixed by the plant
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into something that's a little bit
better for the plant.
better for the plant.
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And so, why now?
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Why is now a good time to do
a biological solution to this problem?
a biological solution to this problem?
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It's because over the last
30 or so years --
30 or so years --
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and I know that's a long time,
you're saying, "Why now?" --
you're saying, "Why now?" --
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but 30 years ago, we began to understand
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the functions of all the genes
that are in an organism in general.
that are in an organism in general.
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And that included humans as well as plants
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and many other complicated eukaryotes.
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And so, what did the 1980s begin?
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What began then is that we now know
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the function of many of the genes
that are in a plant
that are in a plant
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that tell a plant to grow.
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And that has now converged
with the fact that we can do genomics
with the fact that we can do genomics
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in a faster and cheaper way
than we ever did before.
than we ever did before.
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And what that tells us is that
all life on earth is really related,
all life on earth is really related,
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but plants are more related to each other
than other organisms.
than other organisms.
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And that you can take a trait
that you know from one plant
that you know from one plant
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and put it in another plant,
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and you can make a prediction
that it'll do the same thing.
that it'll do the same thing.
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And so that's important as well.
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Then finally, we have these little
genetic tricks that came along,
genetic tricks that came along,
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like you heard about this morning --
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things like CRISPR,
that allows us to do editing
that allows us to do editing
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and make genes be a little different
from the normal state in the plant.
from the normal state in the plant.
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OK, so now we have biology on our side.
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I'm a biologist, so that's why
I'm proposing a solution
I'm proposing a solution
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to the climate change problem
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that really involves the best evolved
organism on earth to do it -- plants.
organism on earth to do it -- plants.
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So how are we going to do it?
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Biology comes to the rescue.
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Here we go.
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OK.
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You have to remember
three simple things from my talk, OK?
three simple things from my talk, OK?
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We have to get plants to make more suberin
than they normally make,
than they normally make,
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because we need them to be
a little better than what they are.
a little better than what they are.
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We have to get them to make more roots,
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because if we make more roots,
we can make more suberin --
we can make more suberin --
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now we have more of the cells
that suberin likes to accumulate in.
that suberin likes to accumulate in.
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And then the third thing is,
we want the plants to have deeper roots.
we want the plants to have deeper roots.
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And what that does is --
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we're asking the plant, actually,
"OK, make stable carbon,
"OK, make stable carbon,
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more than you used to,
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and then bury it for us in the ground."
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So they can do that
if they make roots that go deep
if they make roots that go deep
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rather than meander around
on the surface of the soil.
on the surface of the soil.
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Those are the three traits
we want to change:
we want to change:
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more suberin, more roots,
and the last one, deep roots.
and the last one, deep roots.
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Then we want to combine
all those traits in one plant,
all those traits in one plant,
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and we can do that easily
and we will do it,
and we will do it,
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and we are doing it actually,
in the model plant, Arabidopsis,
in the model plant, Arabidopsis,
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which allows us to do these
experiments much faster
experiments much faster
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than we can do in another big plant.
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And when we find that we have plants
where traits all add up
where traits all add up
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and we can get more of them,
more suberin in those plants,
more suberin in those plants,
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we're going to move it all --
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we can and we we will,
we're beginning to do this --
we're beginning to do this --
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move it to crop plants.
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And I'll tell you why we're picking
crop plants to do the work for us
crop plants to do the work for us
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when I get to that part of my talk.
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OK, so I think this is the science
behind the whole thing.
behind the whole thing.
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And so I know we can do the science,
I feel pretty confident about that.
I feel pretty confident about that.
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And the reason is because,
just in the last year,
just in the last year,
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we've been able to find single genes
that affect each of those three traits.
that affect each of those three traits.
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And in several of those cases,
two out of the three,
two out of the three,
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we have more than one way to get there.
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So that tells us we might be able
to even combine within a trait
to even combine within a trait
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and get even more suberin.
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This shows one result,
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where we have a plant here on the right
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that's making more than double
the amount of root
the amount of root
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than the plant on the left,
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and that's just because of the way
we expressed one gene
we expressed one gene
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that's normally in the plant
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in a slightly different way
than the plant usually does on its own.
than the plant usually does on its own.
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Alright, so that's just one example
I wanted to show you.
I wanted to show you.
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And now I want to tell you that, you know,
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we still have a lot
of challenges, actually,
of challenges, actually,
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when we get to this problem,
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because it takes ...
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We have to get the farmers
to actually buy the seeds,
to actually buy the seeds,
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or at least the seed company to buy seeds
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that farmers are going to want to have.
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And so when we do the experiments,
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we can't actually take a loss in yield,
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because while we are doing
these experiments,
these experiments,
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say, beginning about 10 years from now,
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the earth's population will be
even more than it is right now.
even more than it is right now.
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And it's rapidly growing still.
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So by the end of the century,
we have 11 billion people,
we have 11 billion people,
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we have wasted ecosystems that aren't
really going to be able to handle
really going to be able to handle
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all the load they have to take
from agriculture.
from agriculture.
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And then we also have
this competition for land.
this competition for land.
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And so we figure, to do this
carbon sequestration experiment
carbon sequestration experiment
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actually requires a fair amount of land.
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We can't take it away from food,
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because we have to feed the people
that are also going to be on the earth
that are also going to be on the earth
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until we get past this big crisis.
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And the climate change is actually
causing loss of yield all over the earth.
causing loss of yield all over the earth.
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So why would farmers
want to buy seeds
want to buy seeds
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if it's going to impact yield?
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So we're not going to let it impact yield,
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we're going to always have
checks and balances
checks and balances
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that says go or no go on that experiment.
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And then the second thing is,
when a plant actually makes more carbon
when a plant actually makes more carbon
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and buries it in the soil like that,
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almost all the soils on earth
are actually depleted of carbon
are actually depleted of carbon
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because of the load from agriculture,
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trying to feed eight billion people,
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which is what lives
on the earth right now.
on the earth right now.
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And so, that is also a problem as well.
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Plants that are making more carbon,
those soils become enriched in carbon.
those soils become enriched in carbon.
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And carbon-enriched soils
actually hold nitrogen
actually hold nitrogen
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and they hold sulphur
and they hold phosphate --
and they hold phosphate --
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all the minerals that are required
for plants to grow and have a good yield.
for plants to grow and have a good yield.
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And they also retain water
in the soil as well.
in the soil as well.
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So the suberin will break up
into little particles
into little particles
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and give the whole soil a new texture.
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And as we've shown that
we can get more carbon in that soil,
we can get more carbon in that soil,
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the soil will get darker.
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And so we will be able
to measure all that,
to measure all that,
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and hopefully, this is going to help
us solve the problem.
us solve the problem.
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So, OK.
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So we have the challenges of
a lot of land that we need to use,
a lot of land that we need to use,
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we have to get farmers to buy it,
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and that's going to be
the hard thing for us, I think,
the hard thing for us, I think,
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because we're not really salesmen,
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we're people who like to Google a person
rather than meet them,
rather than meet them,
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you know what I mean?
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(Laughter)
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That's what scientists are mostly like.
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But we know now that, you know,
no one can really deny --
no one can really deny --
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the climate is changing,
everyone knows that.
everyone knows that.
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And it's here and it's bad
and it's serious,
and it's serious,
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and we need to do something about it.
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But I feel pretty optimistic
that we can do this.
that we can do this.
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So I'm here today
as a character witness for plants.
as a character witness for plants.
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And I want to tell you
that plants are going to do it for us,
that plants are going to do it for us,
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all we have to do
is give them a little help,
is give them a little help,
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and they will go and get
a gold medal for humanity.
a gold medal for humanity.
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Thank you very much.
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(Applause)
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(Cheers)
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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I finally got it out.
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Chris Anderson: Wow.
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Joanne, you're so extraordinary.
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Just to be sure we heard this right:
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you believe that within the next 10 years
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you may be able to offer the world
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seed variants for the major crops,
like -- what? -- wheat, corn, maybe rice,
like -- what? -- wheat, corn, maybe rice,
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that can offer farmers just as much yield,
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sequester three times, four times,
more carbon than they currently do?
more carbon than they currently do?
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Even more than that?
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Joanne Chory: We don't know
that number, really.
that number, really.
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But they will do more.
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CA: And at the same time,
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make the soil that those
farmers have more fertile?
farmers have more fertile?
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JC: Yes, right.
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CA: So that is astonishing.
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And the genius of doing that
and a solution that can scale
and a solution that can scale
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where there's already scale.
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JC: Yes, thank you for saying that.
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CA: No, no, you said it, you said it.
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But it almost seems too good to be true.
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Your Audacious Project is that we scale up
the research in your lab
the research in your lab
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and pave the way to start
some of these pilots
some of these pilots
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and make this incredible vision possible.
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JC: That's right, yes, thank you.
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CA: Joanne Chory, thank you so much.
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Godspeed.
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(Applause)
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JC: Thank you.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Joanne Chory - Plant geneticistRecognized as one of the greatest scientific innovators of our time, Joanne Chory studies the genetic codes of plants. Her goal: to use plants to help fight climate change.
Why you should listen
Joanne Chory grew up in Boston in a close-knit Lebanese-American family who helped her develop the self-confidence to venture into the unknown -- college away from home (where she fell in love with genetics) and graduate school where she learned the value of doing a good experiment and the joy that brings. Over three decades, she's built a career at the forefront of plant biology, pursuing fundamental questions of how plants perceive and adapt to changing environments.
Chory is the Director of the Plant Molecular and Cellular Biology Laboratory at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies. She's received many of science's top distinctions -- she is a Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator and a 2018 Breakthrough Prize winner, as well as winner of the 2018 Gruber Genetics Prize. Recently, she realized that her work could address the critical problem of climate change. Plants already take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere; we just need to help them adapt to storing the CO2 in a more stable form. With support from the Audacious Project at TED, she and her Salk colleagues are taking on this challenge in a project she sees as the culmination of her career. Chory is excited to take one more step into the unknown, with a chance to change our planet's future.
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