TED2017
Anthony D. Romero: This is what democracy looks like
安東尼·羅梅羅: 這就是現如今民主的樣子
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為了能夠解釋美國 2017 年的政治環境，美國公民自由聯盟執行董事，律師安東尼·羅梅羅回到了一個令人驚訝的地方——一幅 14 世紀由義大利文藝復興大師安布羅吉歐·洛倫澤蒂所做的壁畫。一幅 600 多歲的繪畫，對於今天的生活，能夠教給我們什麼？答案是，很多。羅梅羅在這場跟這幅繪畫一樣出色的演說中解釋了一切。
Anthony D. Romero - Attorney, public-interest activist
Anthony D. Romero is the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Full bio
Anthony D. Romero is the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Full bio
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00:12
Silicon Valley
is obsessed with disruption,
is obsessed with disruption,
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矽谷癡迷於搞破壞。
00:16
but these days, the biggest disruptor
didn't come out of Silicon Valley.
didn't come out of Silicon Valley.
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但是，當下最大的破壞者
並不來自矽谷。
並不來自矽谷。
00:21
It came out of steel towns in Ohio,
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它來自俄亥俄州的鋼鐵城，
00:24
rural communities in Pennsylvania,
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來自賓夕法尼亞州的偏遠社區，
00:27
the Panhandle in Florida.
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來自佛羅里達的西北角。
00:31
And this last US presidential election
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最近的美國總統選舉
00:33
was the mother of all disruptions.
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就是所有這些破壞的源頭。
00:37
Once again, politics is personal.
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再次重申，政治是個人的。
00:41
Millions of Americans
became activists overnight,
became activists overnight,
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數以百萬的美國民眾
在一夜之間化身為激進份子，
在一夜之間化身為激進份子，
00:44
pouring into the streets in record numbers
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以破紀錄的規模和速度
00:47
in record time.
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湧上街頭。
00:48
(Laughter)
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（笑）
00:50
The election has done
to family holiday dinners
to family holiday dinners
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這場選舉，對於
家庭假日聚餐造成的影響，
家庭假日聚餐造成的影響，
00:53
what Uber has done
to New York City's taxi system.
to New York City's taxi system.
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就像優步對於整個
紐約計程車系統造成的影響。
紐約計程車系統造成的影響。
00:57
Couples have broken up
and marriages disrupted.
and marriages disrupted.
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情侶分手，婚姻破裂。
01:02
And the election
is doing to my private life
is doing to my private life
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而這場選舉對於
我個人生活造成的影響，
我個人生活造成的影響，
01:04
what Amazon is doing to shopping malls.
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正如同亞馬遜對於賣場造成的影響。
01:06
These days, the ACLU
is on the front lines 24/7,
is on the front lines 24/7,
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最近，美國公民自由聯盟
正全天候、不間斷地堅守前線。
正全天候、不間斷地堅守前線。
01:12
and even if I manage to sneak away
for a couple of miles on the treadmill,
for a couple of miles on the treadmill,
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即使我能從那裡溜出來，
在跑步機上跑上幾英里，
在跑步機上跑上幾英里，
01:17
any cardio benefit I get
is instantly obliterated
is instantly obliterated
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當我翻閱頭條，
閱讀又一條總統的推文時，
閱讀又一條總統的推文時，
01:21
when I read another presidential tweet
on the headline scroll.
on the headline scroll.
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剛才所做的所有有氧運動
瞬間失去了效果。
瞬間失去了效果。
01:26
Even my secret pleasure
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甚至我研究義大利畫家的癖好
01:28
of studying the Italian painters
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01:31
have been infected by politics.
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也被政治所影響。
01:34
Now, I study, even stalk, the old masters.
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我學習、甚至追蹤這些
古老的大師們。
古老的大師們。
01:38
This is my desk,
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這是我的書桌以及
01:39
with a postcard exhibition
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我的名信片展覽——
01:41
of some famous and obscure paintings
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包括了一些廣為人知，
和鮮為人知的藝術作品。
和鮮為人知的藝術作品。
01:43
mostly from the Italian Renaissance.
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大多出自義大利文藝復興時期。
01:46
Now, art used to provide me
with a necessary break
with a necessary break
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過去，藝術在我每天
為美國公民自由聯盟工作時，
為美國公民自由聯盟工作時，
01:48
from the hurly-burly of politics
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常常可以讓我從政治的喧擾中，
01:51
in my daily work at the ACLU,
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得到一絲安寧。
01:53
but not anymore.
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不過，如今再也不行了。
01:55
I was at the Women's March
in San Francisco
in San Francisco
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總統就職後的第二天，
我在舊金山的
女性抗議遊行的隊伍中。
女性抗議遊行的隊伍中。
01:57
the day after inauguration,
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01:59
and the crowd was chanting,
"This is what democracy looks like."
"This is what democracy looks like."
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人群重複地吶喊著：
「這就是現如今民主的樣子！」
「這就是現如今民主的樣子！」
02:02
"This is what democracy looks like."
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「這就是現如今民主的樣子！」
我就在那裡，在雨中
一手舉著標語，一手舉著雨傘。
一手舉著標語，一手舉著雨傘。
02:05
And there I was holding my sign
and my umbrella in the rain,
and my umbrella in the rain,
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02:09
and I flashed on an old painting
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然後我突然想起了很多年前
就令我入迷的一張古老繪畫。
02:13
that first captivated me many years ago.
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02:16
I struggled to remember
the different pieces
the different pieces
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我努力地回憶原本畫作的幾個部分，
02:19
of an actual painting
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在畫優秀與糟糕的政府。
02:22
of good and bad government.
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02:25
It was almost like the old master
was taunting me.
was taunting me.
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當時就好像是大師正在奚落我。
02:28
You want to know
what democracy looks like?
what democracy looks like?
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「你想知道現如今民主的樣子嗎？」
02:30
Go back and look at my frescoes.
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「回去好好看看我的壁畫作品吧。」
02:33
And so I did.
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於是，我就這麼做了。
02:36
In 1339, Ambrogio Lorenzetti
finished a monumental commission
finished a monumental commission
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在 1339 年，安布羅吉歐·洛倫澤蒂
在西耶納市政廳的理事會大廳裡
完成了一份具有里程碑意義的作品。
完成了一份具有里程碑意義的作品。
02:41
in the governing council chamber
of Siena's Palazzo Pubblico.
of Siena's Palazzo Pubblico.
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02:45
It's a painting that speaks to us,
even screams to us, today.
even screams to us, today.
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那是一幅向今天的我們述說，
甚至吶喊的巨作。
甚至吶喊的巨作。
02:52
"Art is a lie that makes us
realize truth,"
realize truth,"
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「藝術，是一個
讓我們了解真相的謊言」，
讓我們了解真相的謊言」，
02:56
Pablo Picasso once said.
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帕波羅·畢加索曾經這樣說。
02:58
And as we search for the truth
about government,
about government,
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當我們追尋關於政府的真相之時，
03:00
we should keep Ambrogio's work,
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我們應該讓安布羅吉歐的作品
在我們大眾的眼中，
在我們大眾的眼中，
03:02
not a lie but an allegory,
in our collective mind's eye.
in our collective mind's eye.
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成為一則寓言，而不是一句謊言。
03:08
During Lorenzetti's time,
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在洛倫澤蒂所處的時期，
03:10
the political legitimacy
of Italian city-states
of Italian city-states
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義大利城邦的政治合理性
03:13
was often on very shaky ground.
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是非常值得懷疑的。
03:15
Siena was a republic,
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西耶納過去是一個共和國，
03:17
but there had been enormous unrest
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但是二十年間不停歇的巨大動亂
03:19
in the two decades
leading up to the commission.
leading up to the commission.
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最終導致了這部作品的誕生。
03:22
Siena's political leaders,
who would literally govern
who would literally govern
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在這些寓言人物眼皮下執政的
03:25
under the eyes
of these allegorical figures,
of these allegorical figures,
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西耶納的政治領導人，
03:28
were Lorenzetti's intended audience.
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是洛倫澤蒂的目標觀眾。
03:31
He was cataloging the obligations
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他為被統治者列出了
統治階級應有的責任。
統治階級應有的責任。
03:33
of the governing to the governed.
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03:38
Now, you can spend years
studying these frescoes.
studying these frescoes.
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如今，你可以花上數年時間
學習領悟這些壁畫。
學習領悟這些壁畫。
03:41
Some scholars have.
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的確有一些學者是這麼做的。
03:43
I'm hardly an art historian,
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雖然我根本不能算是位藝術史學家，
但是我對於藝術抱有滿腔熱血。
03:45
but I am passionate about art,
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03:48
and a work this massive can overwhelm me.
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這樣一幅巨作就可以完全地征服我。
那麼首先，我把關注點
放在了最突出的部分。
放在了最突出的部分。
03:50
So first, I focus on the big stuff.
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03:55
This is the allegory of good government.
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這個一個關於優秀政府的寓言。
在最中間的那個威嚴的人物
身穿西耶納的顏色。
身穿西耶納的顏色。
03:59
The majestic figure here in the middle
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04:02
is dressed in Siena's colors
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04:04
and he personifies the republic itself.
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他是共和體的擬人化形象。
04:08
Lorenzetti labels him "Commune,"
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洛倫澤蒂把他標註為「群體。」
04:11
and he's basically telling the Sienese
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基本上，他是在告訴西耶納的人民，
04:13
that they, and not a king or a tyrant,
must rule themselves.
must rule themselves.
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他們必須統治他們自己，
而不是一個國王或一個獨裁者。
而不是一個國王或一個獨裁者。
04:19
Now, surrounding Commune are his advisors.
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在「群體」周圍的是他的顧問。
04:25
Justice is enthroned.
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「公正」是被加冕的。
04:27
She's looking up at the figure of wisdom,
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她正仰望著代表「智慧」的人物。
04:31
who actually supports
her scales of justice.
her scales of justice.
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這裡的「智慧」實際上正支撐著
代表「公正」的天秤。
代表「公正」的天秤。
04:37
Concord, or Harmony,
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「和睦」，或者「和諧」
04:39
holds a string that comes
off the scales of justice
off the scales of justice
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拿著從「公正」的天秤
垂下來的繩子，
垂下來的繩子，
04:42
that binds her to the citizens,
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將自己和人民捆綁在一起。
04:44
making them all
compatriots in the republic.
compatriots in the republic.
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使他們全都在共和體中成為同胞。
04:50
And finally we see Peace.
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最後，我們來看「和平。」
04:51
She looks chilled out,
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她看起來很放鬆，
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like she's listening to Bob Marley.
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就好像她在聽鮑伯·馬利的歌曲。
04:55
When good government rules,
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當一個優秀的政府統治的時候，
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Peace doesn't break a sweat.
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和平絲毫沒有什麼好擔心的。
05:00
Now, these are big images and big ideas,
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這些是突出的形象和概念，
05:02
but I really love the small stuff.
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但我更喜歡的是細節上的小東西。
05:05
Along another wall,
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在另一面牆上，
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Lorenzetti illustrates
the effects of good government
the effects of good government
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洛倫澤蒂用富有意味的的小細節，
描繪了一個優秀的政府
05:10
on the real and everyday lives
of ordinary people
of ordinary people
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對於普通百姓真實、
日常的生活所帶來的影響。
日常的生活所帶來的影響。
05:12
with a series of delicious little details.
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05:17
In the countryside,
the hills are landscaped and farmed.
the hills are landscaped and farmed.
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在鄉間，山坡被用於景觀和農場。
05:23
Crops are being sown,
hoed, reaped, milled, plowed,
hoed, reaped, milled, plowed,
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在同一個畫面裡，農作物
被播種、收割、研磨、粉碎。
被播種、收割、研磨、粉碎。
05:27
all in one picture.
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05:31
Crops and livestock
are being brought to market.
are being brought to market.
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莊稼和牲口被帶到集市裡。
05:35
In the city, builders raise a tower.
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在城市裡，建築工人在建造塔房；
05:40
People attend a law lecture,
a TED Talk of the 14th century.
a TED Talk of the 14th century.
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人們參加法律講演，
可能是一場 14 世紀的 TED 演說；
可能是一場 14 世紀的 TED 演說；
05:44
(Laughter)
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（笑）
05:47
Schoolchildren play.
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學生們在盡情玩耍；
05:51
Tradesmen thrive.
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商賈繁榮；
05:55
Dancers larger than life dance with joy.
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令人驚艷的舞者愉悅地當街起舞。
06:00
And watching over the republic
is the winged figure Security,
is the winged figure Security,
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看顧共和國的是這個
帶翅膀的人物，「安全。」
帶翅膀的人物，「安全。」
06:04
whose banner reads,
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他手裡的橫幅寫道，
06:06
"Everyone shall go forth
freely without fear."
freely without fear."
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「所有人都應該
無所畏懼地向前走。」
無所畏懼地向前走。」
06:11
Now, what's amazing
about these images from 800 years ago
about these images from 800 years ago
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令人驚奇的是這些
800 年前的形象，
800 年前的形象，
06:13
is that they're familiar to us today.
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和如今的我們是如此相似。
06:16
We see what democracy looks like.
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我們看到了民主是什麼樣子。
06:18
We experience the effects
of good government in our lives,
of good government in our lives,
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我們感受到一個好的政府
在生活中對我們的影響。
在生活中對我們的影響。
06:22
just as Lorenzetti did in his life.
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就像是洛倫澤蒂在他的生活中那樣。
06:26
But it is the allegory of bad government
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但是，自從 11 月 9 日起，
這個失敗政府的寓言
一直令我久久不能忘懷。
一直令我久久不能忘懷。
06:29
that has been haunting me
since November 9.
since November 9.
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06:33
It's badly damaged,
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壁畫嚴重受損，
06:34
but it reads like today's newspapers.
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但讀起來卻像是今天的報紙。
06:37
And ruling over bad government
is not the Commune
is not the Commune
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統治壞政府的不是「群眾」，
06:40
but the Tyrant.
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而是「獨裁。」
06:42
He has horns, tusks, crossed eyes,
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他長著犄角、獠牙、鬥雞眼
06:45
braided hair.
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和編成辮子的頭髮。
06:47
He obviously spends
a lot of time on that hair.
a lot of time on that hair.
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他很明顯在他的頭髮上
花了不少時間。
花了不少時間。
06:49
(Laughter)
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（笑）
06:50
Justice now lies helpless at his feet,
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「公正」如今無助地倒在他的腳下，
06:55
shackled.
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帶著手銬。
06:56
Her scales have been severed.
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她的天秤也被折斷。
06:59
Justice is the key antagonist
to the Tyrant,
to the Tyrant,
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「公正」是「獨裁」的主要對手，
07:02
and she's been taken out.
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而她被打倒了。
07:04
Now, surrounding the Tyrant,
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如今，在「獨裁」周圍，
07:06
Lorenzetti illustrates
the vices that animate bad government.
the vices that animate bad government.
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洛倫澤蒂描繪了幾個邪惡形象，
來擬態糟糕的政府。
來擬態糟糕的政府。
07:11
Avarice is the old woman
clutching the strongbox
clutching the strongbox
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「貪婪」是一位緊緊抓住保險箱
和魚鉤的老婦，
07:15
and a fisherman's hook
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拉取著她的財富。
07:16
to pull in her fortune.
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07:21
Vainglory carries a mirror,
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「自滿」手拿一面鏡子。
07:24
and Lorenzetti warns us
against narcissistic leaders
against narcissistic leaders
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洛倫澤蒂警告我們遠離那些
孤芳自賞的領導者，
孤芳自賞的領導者，
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who are guided
by their own ego and vanity.
by their own ego and vanity.
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他們被自己的自尊和虛榮所驅使。
07:31
On the Tyrant's right is Cruelty.
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在「獨裁」右邊的，是「殘忍」。
07:39
Treason, half lamb, half scorpion,
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「背叛」一半是山羊，一半是蠍子。
07:42
lulls us into a false sense of security
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誤導我們產生錯誤的安全感，
07:45
and then poisons a republic.
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並荼毒著共和國。
07:49
Fraud, with the flighty wings of a bat.
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「欺騙」，有著蝙蝠擺動的翅膀。
07:57
On the Tyrant's left, you see Division.
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在「獨裁」左邊，
你可以看到「分裂。」
你可以看到「分裂。」
07:59
She's dressed in Siena's colors.
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她身穿西耶納的顏色。
08:02
"Si" and "No" are painted on her body.
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「贊同」與「反對」寫在她的身上。
08:05
She uses a carpenter's saw
to chop her body in half.
to chop her body in half.
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她用木匠的鉅子將身體且分為兩半。
08:13
And Fury wields the weapons of the mob,
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還有「暴怒」揮舞著暴民的武器——
08:16
the stone and knife.
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石塊和刀具。
08:23
In the remainder of the fresco,
Lorenzetti shows us
Lorenzetti shows us
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在壁畫剩下的部分，
洛倫澤蒂向我們展示了
洛倫澤蒂向我們展示了
08:25
the inevitable effects of bad government.
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一個糟糕的政府所帶來的
不可避免的負面影響。
不可避免的負面影響。
08:28
The civic ideals celebrated
elsewhere in this room have failed us,
elsewhere in this room have failed us,
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我們看到，房間另一邊
被稱頌的社會典範讓我們失望。
被稱頌的社會典範讓我們失望。
08:31
and we see it.
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08:33
The once beautiful city
has fallen to pieces,
has fallen to pieces,
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曾經美麗的城市變得支離破碎；
08:36
the countryside barren,
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鄉下變得貧瘠；
08:37
the farms abandoned.
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農場都被荒廢。
08:39
Many are in flames.
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很多還燃著熊熊烈火。
08:42
And in the sky above
is not the winged figure Security,
is not the winged figure Security,
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在空中的也不再是那個
帶翅膀的「安全」，
帶翅膀的「安全」，
08:45
but that of Fear, whose banner reads:
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而是另一個帶翅膀的人物，
「恐懼。」他手中的橫幅寫道：
「恐懼。」他手中的橫幅寫道：
08:49
"None shall pass along this road
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「沒有人可以無畏
死亡恐懼地通過這條路。」
死亡恐懼地通過這條路。」
08:52
without fear of death."
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08:57
Now, the final image,
the most important one, really,
the most important one, really,
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最後的一幅畫面，
也是最重要的一幅，
也是最重要的一幅，
08:59
is one that Lorenzetti did not paint.
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洛倫澤蒂並沒有畫，
09:01
It is of the viewer.
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而是留給了觀者。
09:02
Today, the audience
for Lorenzetti's frescoes
for Lorenzetti's frescoes
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如今，洛倫澤蒂作品的觀眾
不是統治者，而是被統治的百姓們，
不是統治者，而是被統治的百姓們，
09:05
is not the governing but the governed,
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站在他寓言前，帶走領悟，
付諸於行動的個人。
付諸於行動的個人。
09:09
the individual who stands
in front of his allegories
in front of his allegories
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09:11
and walks away with insight,
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09:14
who heeds a call to action.
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09:17
Lorenzetti warns us
that we must recognize the shadows
that we must recognize the shadows
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洛倫澤蒂警告我們，必須認出
貪婪、欺騙、分裂，
甚至暴君的陰影，
甚至暴君的陰影，
09:20
of Avarice, Fraud, Division, even Tyranny
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09:24
when they float
across our political landscape,
across our political landscape,
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當它們籠罩我們的政治領域時。
09:26
especially when those shadows are cast
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更加要認清的是大肆宣稱
代表了優秀政府的聲音，
代表了優秀政府的聲音，
09:29
by political leaders loudly claiming
to be the voice of good government
to be the voice of good government
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09:34
and promising to make America great again.
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且發誓要讓美國重新崛起的
政治領袖所帶來的陰影。
政治領袖所帶來的陰影。
09:38
And we must act.
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我們每個人都必須行動起來。
民主不是旁觀者的運動，
民主不是旁觀者的運動，
09:41
Democracy must not be a spectator sport.
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抗議的權利；集會的權利；
09:43
The right to protest,
the right to assemble freely,
the right to assemble freely,
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09:46
the right to petition one's government,
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向政府請願的權利；
09:48
these are not just rights.
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這些都不僅僅是權利。
09:50
In the face of Avarice,
Fraud and Division,
Fraud and Division,
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面對貪婪、欺騙，和分裂，
09:52
these are obligations.
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這些是責任。
09:54
We have to disrupt --
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我們需要干預；
09:56
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10:01
We have to disrupt our lives
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我們需要干預我們自己的生活，
10:03
so that we can disrupt
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這樣才能干預
10:05
the amoral accretion of power
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政治權利不斷不道德地堆積
10:08
by those who would betray our values.
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在那些背叛了
民眾價值觀的政客手中。
民眾價值觀的政客手中。
10:13
We and we the people
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我們，和我們的人民
10:14
must raise justice up
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必須推舉公義，
10:16
and must bring peace to our nation
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把和平帶到我們的國家。
10:18
and must come together in concord,
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我們必須和睦地聚攏在一起，
10:21
and we have a choice.
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我們需要做出選擇。
10:23
We could either paint ourselves
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我們要麼把我們自己畫進
10:25
into the worst nightmare
of Lorenzetti's bad government,
of Lorenzetti's bad government,
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洛倫澤蒂糟糕政府寓言的
恐怖噩夢中，
恐怖噩夢中，
10:29
or we can stay in the streets,
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要麼站起來，
10:32
disruptive, messy, loud.
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混亂、大聲地聚集到街道上。
10:35
That is what democracy looks like.
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這才是現如今民主應該有的樣子。
10:39
Thank you.
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謝謝。
10:40
(Applause)
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10:51
Chris Anderson: First of all, wow.
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克理斯·安德森：首先，喔！
10:53
Obviously, many people passionately --
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很明顯，在場很多人都非常的熱切——
10:55
you spoke to many people
passionately here.
passionately here.
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你很熱情地在這裡給大家做了演說。
10:57
I'm sure there are other people here
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但我敢肯定，在座還會有其他的人
10:59
who'd say, look, Trump was elected
by 63 million people.
by 63 million people.
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會這樣說，你看，
川普是被六千三百萬人民選出來的。
川普是被六千三百萬人民選出來的。
11:04
He's far from perfect,
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他遠不完美，
11:05
but he's trying to do
what he was elected to do.
what he was elected to do.
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但是，他正努力地在做他的工作。
11:08
Shouldn't you give him a chance?
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你不應該給他一個機會嗎？
11:10
Anthony Romero:
I think we have to recognize
I think we have to recognize
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安東尼·羅梅羅：我想我們需要分辨
11:12
the legitimacy of him as president
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他作為總統一職的合理性，
11:15
versus the legitimacy of his policies.
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和他的政策的合理性。
11:18
And when so many of the policies
are contrary to fundamental values,
are contrary to fundamental values,
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當他如此多的政策，與我們
最基本的價值觀相背離的時候，
最基本的價值觀相背離的時候，
11:24
that we're all equal under the law,
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比如法律面前人人平等，
11:26
that we're not judged by the color
of our skin or the religion we worship,
of our skin or the religion we worship,
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比如我們不應該因我們的
膚色與信仰而被評判，
膚色與信仰而被評判，
11:29
we have to contest those values
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我們需要捍衛這些價值，
11:32
even as we recognize and honor the fact
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即使我們承認
11:34
that our democracy rendered us a president
who is championing those values.
who is championing those values.
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民主制度給我們交出了一位
挑戰這些價值觀的總統。
挑戰這些價值觀的總統。
11:40
CA: And the ACLU isn't just
this force on the left, right?
this force on the left, right?
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克：美國公民自由聯盟，
不只站在左翼陣營，對嗎？
不只站在左翼陣營，對嗎？
11:44
You're making other arguments as well.
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你們也會提出其他的觀點。
11:46
AR: Well, you know,
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安：嗯，是的，
11:49
very often we piss
everyone off at one point.
everyone off at one point.
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我們常常在某一刻
讓所有人都不高興。
讓所有人都不高興。
11:51
That's what we do.
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可是，這就是我們的工作。
11:53
And we recently were taking stands
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我們最近致力於
11:55
for why Ann Coulter needs
to be able to speak at Berkeley,
to be able to speak at Berkeley,
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為什麼保守派的安·庫爾特
應該被允許在柏克萊加大演說，
應該被允許在柏克萊加大演說，
11:58
and why Milo has free speech rights.
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為什麼極右派的米羅·雅諾波魯斯
也應該享有言論自由。
也應該享有言論自由。
12:01
And we even wrote a blog
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我們甚至還寫了部落格，
12:02
that almost burnt the house down
among some of our members,
among some of our members,
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那差點使我們
某些員工的家被人放火。
某些員工的家被人放火。
12:06
unfortunately,
when we talked about the fact
when we talked about the fact
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真的很不幸，那時我們在探討
12:08
that even Donald Trump
has free speech rights as president,
has free speech rights as president,
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川普作為總統也有言論自由，
12:12
and an effort to hold him accountable
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試圖讓他為在競選和集會中
煽動暴力負起責任，
煽動暴力負起責任，
12:14
for incitement of violence
at his marches or his rallies
at his marches or his rallies
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12:18
is unconstitutional and un-American.
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是違反憲法，不符合美國國情。
12:22
And when you put that statement out there
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當你把這樣的聲明，
12:24
to a very frothy base
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放到一心一意要打倒川普，
12:25
that always is very excited for you
to fight Donald Trump,
to fight Donald Trump,
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充滿激情泡沫的環境當中，
12:29
and then you have a new one saying,
"Wait, these rights are for everybody,
"Wait, these rights are for everybody,
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會有人產生一種新的想法，
「等一下，每個人都有這些權利，
「等一下，每個人都有這些權利，
12:32
even the president that we don't like."
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包括我們不喜歡的總統。」
12:34
And that's our job.
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這就是我們的工作了。
12:36
(Applause)
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12:39
CA: Anthony, you spoke
to so many of us so powerfully.
to so many of us so powerfully.
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安東尼，你給這麼多人
帶來了非常有感染力的演說。
帶來了非常有感染力的演說。
12:42
Thank you so much. Thank you.
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謝謝。非常感謝。
12:43
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Anthony D. Romero - Attorney, public-interest activistAnthony D. Romero is the executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).
Why you should listen
The ACLU is dedicated to defending liberty and individual freedom in the US -- which is an interesting mandate to have right now. Anthony Romero has headed the organization since 2001, focusing on building capacity in order to defend the laws that protect Americans' freedoms.
Under Romero's watch, the ACLU launched its national "Keep America Safe and Free" campaign to protect basic freedoms during a time of crisis; launched its unique legal challenge to the patents held by a private company on the human genes associated with breast and ovarian cancer; launched litigation and lobbying efforts to win the freedom to marry for same-sex couples; and filed the first lawsuit against President Trump’s Muslim Ban.
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