Shonda Rhimes and Cyndi Stivers: The future of storytelling
شوندا ريميز و سيندي ستيفرز: مُستقبل السرد القِصصي
With the runaway success of shows like Scandal and Grey’s Anatomy, Shonda Rhimes has become one of Hollywood’s most powerful icons. Full bioCyndi Stivers - Encourager-in-chief, TED Residency
Cyndi Stivers curates special events for TED and often serves as a board member, adviser, business strategist and startup coach. Full bio
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مستقبل رواية القصص.
going to change about storytelling.
أبداً فيما يخص رواية القصص.
What's never going to change.
are never going to change,
القصص الجيدة لن تتغير أبداً،
and exchange their stories
ويتبادلوا حكاياتهم وقصصهم فيما بينهم
that feel universal,
التي تبدو عمومية وكونية،
a compelling need to watch stories,
بالحاجة الآسرة إلى مشاهدة القصص
that tell each one of us
are never going to change.
is never going to change.
رواية القصص لن تتغير أبداً.
for this conversation,
on "Grey's Anatomy" --
مسلسل "غريز أناتومي"
this indelible memory she had
التي لا تمحى من ذاكرتها
with any of the executives,
مع أحدٍ من المسئولين التنفيذيين،
to read for your scripts,
was the full range of humanity,
بمدى كامل من المشاعر الإنسانية
to retraining the studio executives,
توجيه المسؤولين التنفيذيين،
of the American TV audience.
لدى المشاهدين الأمريكيين.
not yet realize that it needs?
المشاهدون بأنهم بحاجة إليها بعد؟
we're anywhere near there yet.
like the real world in actuality.
a bunch of actors
trying to make a point,
to do anything special.
that that was new, different or weird.
because I thought they were interesting
was completely surprising to everybody --
I want to see play these parts.
اريدهم لهذه الأدوار.
they look like if they read.
عندما يقرأون النص.
that happens is
through another lens,
normally in charge of things,
عادةً عن هذه الأشياء،
this big machine that you run,
الكبيرة التي تشغلينها،
last year when she gave her talk --
مقابلتها العام الماضي --
is going to happen as we go on?
involved in producing these shows.
في ضمن إنتاج هذه البرامج.
have gone and gotten greatly democratized,
قد اصبحت في متناول الجميع،
who rent the audience to advertisers
الشبكات، والمشاهدين للمعلنين
now that anyone can be a storyteller?
حينما أصبح بمقدور اي شخص العمل كروائي؟
that's happening is amazing.
sort of an equalizer happening,
can make something, is wonderful.
قادر على صنع شيء.
that you can't find the good work now.
أنك لا تستطيع إيجاد عملٍ جيد.
417 dramas on television right now
على التلفزيون الآن
because everybody can make something.
وذلك يرجع لإمكانية الجميع من إعدادها.
that many good painters.
من الرسامين المهرة.
the good shows,
one tiny show over here on AMC
becomes much harder.
the great webisode and who made this,
المعروضة على الإنترنت والأخرى،
about the poor critics
watching everything.
are getting more and more vast,
for everybody in the audience
winnowed down to just who you are,
كما انت بالحقيقة،
you can watch, television shows on --
فيه، من برامج والى ما ذلك --
wider and wider and wider.
عن "ذروة الملسلسلات"
it'll collapse a little bit
will be network television.
a lot of money around right now.
أموالهم لهذه البرامج؟
something exciting about it.
there's something exciting about it.
there's something exciting about it.
with characters from all over the world
متنوعه من العالم أجمع،
for everybody at the same time
that television can now take on
بكون التلفزيون قادر الآن على التطور
على والتطور.
here's our American audience.
منها المشاهدين الأميركيين
out into the world
about the fact that America is not it.
أن أمريكا ليست كذلك.
and everything, but it's not i.
نحب والخ، لكنه ليس كذلك.
taking into account the fact
of these other places in the world
while we're telling stories.
القصص.
that the world is a universal place,
أن العالم هو عالم واحد،
تقليد بعضنا البعض.
launched "Scandal" in 2012,
of support on Twitter
المشجعين في تويتر،
tricks up your sleeve
will happen in that regard?
coming out this summer.
و سيعرض في هذا الصيف.
to be able to do them in time.
that we would live-tweet our show
that would be fun.
would start to live-tweet along with us.
في التغريد المباشر.
to be a part of it,
جعل الناس جزء من هذا،
on Twitter together
to make that possible
to make people feel engaged
all those different people making stories
are going to break through
storytellers will get paid?
with this concept as well.
to watch this particular person's shows,
للشخص المحدد
a passport to Shondaland. Right?
"شونالاند"، أليس كذلك؟
That's a lot more work for me.
هذا يتحتم علي بكثيرٍ من العمل.
going to be different ways,
a lot of content creators
من كتاب المحتوى،
in being distributors,
that I deserve to get paid for it,
جراء على ما أعمله.
the people who work with me,
and they're all making a living.
حيث أنهم يعملون على كسب معيشتهم.
is getting harder and harder.
أكثر وأكثر.
that you can't really binge-watch,
انك لا تستطيع الاستمرار-بالمشاهده،
of those for storytelling?
and paying attention.
و وجهت كامل انتباهي اليها.
think of them for gaming,
كأداة للعب،
for things like action,
لإغراضٍ حماسية.
a sense of intimacy
حس حميميَ
and have a conversation with Fitz,
while Fitz talks to you,
"فيتز" نفسه.
a choice that he makes,
a television screen,
and he's having this conversation.
بينما هو يتحدث إليك.
from a television screen.
who's about to execute somebody.
وهو على وشك القضاء على شخصٍ ما.
to another character very rapidly,
بطريقة سريعة
and tells you, you know,
ثم يخبرك
and why he's afraid and nervous.
ومتوتر لهذه الدرجة.
and I'm not sure it would work,
لستُ متأكدة إن كان سيعمل
of something like that
would be interesting,
the people who watch my shows,
من يشاهد برامجي
in there for them.
the input of the audience?
can actually go up to a certain point
I'm going to choose my own adventure.
سأختار مغامراتي بنفسي.
or I'm going to run off with --
أو سأذهب مع --
your-own-adventure stories.
I want to be in control of everything,
على كل شي
or I'm watching a movie,
that a story is not as good
over exactly what's going to happen
مايحدث فيها
what I wanted to happen to Walter White,
ما أردت أن يحدث إلى (والتر وايت)،
is not the same, and it's not as powerful.
وليست قوية بمقدار القصة الحقيقية.
of how "The Sopranos" ends,
"آل سوبرانو"
that's nice and satisfying,
و مرضية.
and it's not the same emotional impact.
على نفس التأثير العاطفي.
what that might be.
كيف سيكون هذا.
I don't get to imagine it,
to know that somebody else has told.
أخبر بذلك.
decide that, you know,
مثل هذا،
and you can walk away debating
تستطيع أن تمشي بعيداً مجادلا
but in a very different way.
لكن، من ناحية أخرى.
sell the right to sit there
الجلوس
than storytelling.
سرد للحكايات.
جلسات نيران المخيم
as a form of storytelling,
what about the super-super --
getting shorter, shorter, shorter.
أقصر و أقصر فأقصر.
now has something it calls shows
لديها الان كما تدعي برامج
it sounds like commercials.
really wonderful about it.
are watching television on their phones,
في جوالاتهم،
most of the product is coming in,
for shorter periods of content,
للفترات القصيرة المحتوى ستنجح.
a way to make a lot more money.
الكثير من المال.
to make it and put it out there.
ووضعه هناك.
a short attention span, like my daughter,
كإبنتي،
that's what you want to make,
وهذا ماكنت تريد لتصنع،
and it actually feels like narrative,
وكان مليئاً بالإحساس القِصصي
no matter what you do.
مهما صنعت.
going to consume entertainment,
the algorithmic robot overlords
"الأسياد الآليين"
what they've already done.
and make people well-rounded citizens?
الناس مواطنين ذوي خبره؟
than how somebody else might do it.
شخص آخر.
how we're going to do it in the future.
عليه بالمستقبل.
the subject of all of my experiments.
محورياً لكل تجاربي.
what I call "Amish summers"
all their computers and stuff
until they settle down
لمده, حتى يهدءون و يستقرون
in watching our own thing,
that we're being fed, sometimes,
your own opinions
more and more right about yourself.
maybe it'll all explode,
ومن الممكن أن ينفجر،
just become more idiotic.
any corrective that you could do
من الممكن أن تفعليه
that television has the power
التلفاز لديه القوة
about medical shows.
على البرامج الطبية.
87 percent of people
87 بالمئة من الناس
about medicine and medical facts
they do from their doctors,
and every time we make a mistake,
وكل مرة نخطئ بها،
like we're going to do something bad,
of good medical information.
to give information on those shows.
لإعطاء معلومات على هذه البرامج.
to read the news,
أن يقرأوا الأخبار
fair information out on those shows,
صحيحة على هذه البرامج،
we're going to control people's minds way,
سنسيطر على سير عقول هؤلاء الناس،
very interesting and intelligent
one side's version or the other,
was how we were giving the news.
عن كيفية إعطائا للأخبار.
you've written as fiction
very disturbing for that reason.
مقلقه لهذا السبب.
that's about politics gone mad,
اصبحت السياسية مجنونة،
we've always told the show --
pays attention to the papers.
We talk about everything.
ونتحدث عن كل شيء.
done our show as a speculation.
if the wheels came off the bus
العجلات عن الباص
the wheels were coming off the bus
إنفصلت عن الباص
were really coming true.
controlling the American election,
الإنتخابات الأميركية،
of being involved in the American election
متورطين في الإنتخابات الأميركية.
what we were going to do for our season.
إنهاء الموسم به.
starts speaking Russian?
التي أصبحت تتحدث الروسية
and figure out what we're going to do."
was going to happen,
in the world do you look?
و أماكن أخرى؟
storytelling right now?
of interesting stuff out there.
الأشياء المشوقة هناك.
is always amazing
مذهل كالعادة.
very much television at all,
التلفاز كثيراً.
until I'm done with a season,
حتى أنتهي من الموسم.
to creep into my head otherwise.
الأشياء إلى مخيلتي.
and talk about being on a throne?
وندعهم يتحدثون وكأنهم على العرش؟
until the seasons are over.
حتى الإنتهاء من الموسم.
interesting European television out there.
الشيقة في التليفزيون الأوروبي.
the stuff that they were showing,
I want to watch and check out.
أن أشاهدها
thinking about tech stuff,
للتفكير عن الأشياء التكلونوجية،
we had someone here at TED
your TV shows essentially in your eye?
مباشرةً على هذه النظارة؟
who sat on the pantry floor
على ارضية المخزن
to be Toni Morrison, so no.
لذلك لا.
some bigger world,
عالم أكبر من عالمنا،
when new technology comes out
من جديد.
to want to try it.
and exciting right now,
و حماسية بنفس الوقت.
to me, it feels like,
أنه يُشعرك ،
what we're going to settle on.
how to get the technology
بإختيار التكنولوجيا المناسبة
of storytelling to meet,
سيتلاقون،
the thing I briefly flew by earlier,
ماطرحتِه من قبل،
which is a recent phenomenon,
وهي ظاهرة جديدة،
هذه البرامج، أصحيح هذا؟
the storytelling process at all?
من طُرق سرد القصص؟
for the whole season beforehand, right?
قبل لكافة الموسم، أليس صحيح؟
where we were going to end.
that's been going on for 14 seasons
who have been watching it for 14 seasons,
I'd encounter in the grocery store
واجهتهم في محل الدكان
297 episodes in three weeks.
experience for them,
a very short period of time
في وقت قصير جدا
has a completely different arc
and then leaving it. It's a strange --
مغادرتها، إنه غريب جدا --
and then putting it down.
تضعينها الى الاسفل.
of the experience.
something for 14 seasons.
the way everything's supposed to be.
that you don't think we should touch?
I think of story that way.
and what characters would do
وماذا يجدر على الشخصيات أن تفعل
in order to make them move forward,
لجعلهم يتقدمون بالمستوى.
in terms of just plot,
الحبكة الروائية فقط.
into my writer's room and pitch me plot,
و يناولوني عدة حبكات رؤاية
I need to hear what's real.
أريد أن أسمع شيء يلامس الحقيقة.
to think there's something I wouldn't do
لأفكر إن كان هناك شيء لن أفعله
pieces of plot off a wall or something.
أجزاء من الحبكة من جدار وما شابه.
do you think you will use --
إلى أي مدى تتوقعين أنك ستستخدمين --
on the board of Planned Parenthood
in the Hillary Clinton campaign.
you will use your storytelling
there's a lot of organizations
that they've created for themselves
الذين صنعوه لأنفسهم؛
with a better narrative.
narrative for themselves.
that could happen
that any speechwriter would mean it.
that that's, like, my job to do that.
علي فعله بوظيفتي.
SR: Thank you.
شكراٍ جزيلاٍ.
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Shonda Rhimes - Writer, producerWith the runaway success of shows like Scandal and Grey’s Anatomy, Shonda Rhimes has become one of Hollywood’s most powerful icons.
Why you should listen
When ABC kicked off its 2014 television season by devoting its Thursday night line-up to the Shondaland shows How to Get Away With Murder, Scandal and Grey’s Anatomy, Shonda Rhimes -- already one of the most influential producers in Hollywood -- became arguably the single most powerful voice in television today. In 2015, ABC snapped up Rhimes’ latest series, The Catch. Shondaland shows have the special ability to capture both fan devotion and critical attention – she’s won everything from a Peabody Award to a People’s Choice Award.
Rhimes is known for her groundbreaking storytelling, her candor and humor in the face of her critics, and for never shying away from speaking her mind. She’s also known for her social media savvy, and fans of her shows basically own Twitter on Thursday nights. Her first book, Year of Yes, was published in November 2015.
Shonda Rhimes | Speaker | TED.com
Cyndi Stivers - Encourager-in-chief, TED Residency
Cyndi Stivers curates special events for TED and often serves as a board member, adviser, business strategist and startup coach.
Why you should listen
Cyndi Stivers is encourager-in-chief of the TED Residency, an idea incubator at TED headquarters in New York. She started out in hot-type newspapers and has since shepherded media startups and reinvigorated venerable brands on nearly every platform, including magazines, television, radio and online, right back to the early days of the consumer internet. From 1995 to 2005, while in charge of North American operations for London-based Time Out Group Ltd., she led the creation of Time Out magazines, guidebooks and websites for New York and Chicago.
Stivers is a longtime trustee of Barnard College, of which she is a proud alumna. For more work history, please see LinkedIn or cyndistivers.com, and for photos of urban gardens and other obsessions, follow @CyndiStivers on Twitter or Facebook.
Cyndi Stivers | Speaker | TED.com