ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Eli Pariser - Organizer and author
Pioneering online organizer Eli Pariser is the author of "The Filter Bubble," about how personalized search might be narrowing our worldview.

Why you should listen

Shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks, Eli Pariser created a website calling for a multilateral approach to fighting terrorism. In the following weeks, over half a million people from 192 countries signed on, and Pariser rather unexpectedly became an online organizer. The website merged with MoveOn.org in November 2001, and Pariser -- then 20 years old -- joined the group to direct its foreign policy campaigns. He led what the New York Times Magazine called the "mainstream arm of the peace movement" -- tripling MoveOn's member base and demonstrating how large numbers of small donations could be mobilized through online engagement.

In 2004, Pariser became executive director of MoveOn. Under his leadership, MoveOn.org Political Action has grown to 5 million members and raised over $120 million from millions of small donors to support advocacy campaigns and political candidates. Pariser focused MoveOn on online-to-offline organizing, developing phone-banking tools and precinct programs in 2004 and 2006 that laid the groundwork for Barack Obama's extraordinary web-powered campaign. In 2008, Pariser transitioned the Executive Director role at MoveOn to Justin Ruben and became President of MoveOn’s board; he's now a senior fellow at the Roosevelt Institute.

His book The Filter Bubble is set for release May 12, 2011. In it, he asks how modern search tools -- the filter by which many of see the wider world -- are getting better and better and screening the wider world from us, by returning only the search results it "thinks" we want to see.

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Eli Pariser | Speaker | TED.com
TEDSummit 2019

Eli Pariser: What obligation do social media platforms have to the greater good?

伊莱·帕里瑟: 社交媒体平台对公众利益有什么义务?

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社交媒体已成为了我们的新家。我们能把它打造得更好吗?根据城市规划师和社会科学家的设计线索,技术专家伊莱·帕里瑟(Eli Pariser)展示了我们在数字平台上遇到的问题并不都是那么新鲜——并分享了如何通过遵循振兴城镇的模式,来创建值得信赖的在线社区。
- Organizer and author
Pioneering online organizer Eli Pariser is the author of "The Filter Bubble," about how personalized search might be narrowing our worldview. Full bio

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I was talking to a guy
at a party派对 in California加州
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在加利佛尼亚的一个派对上,
我和一个伙计在谈论
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about tech高科技 platforms平台
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科技平台,
00:17
and the problems问题
they're creating创建 in society社会.
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以及它们在当今社会带来的问题。
00:21
And he said, "Man, if the CEOs老总
just did more drugs毒品
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他说:“兄弟,如果
CEO们都多磕点药,
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and went to Burning燃烧 Man,
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然后去火人节转转,
00:26
we wouldn't不会 be in this mess食堂."
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我们就不会陷入这类麻烦了。”
00:28
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
00:29
I said, "I'm not sure I agree同意 with you."
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我回道,“我不确定我是不是赞同你。”
00:33
For one thing, most of the CEOs老总
have already已经 been to Burning燃烧 Man.
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除了大部分CEO
确实都曾去过火人节。
00:36
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
00:37
But also, I'm just not sure
that watching观看 a bunch of half-naked半裸 people
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但同时,我不确定
看着一群半裸的人
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run around and burn烧伤 things
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四处乱跑,焚烧东西
00:41
is really the inspiration灵感
they need right now.
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真的可以给他们
带来现在所需的灵感。
00:44
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
00:45
But I do agree同意 that things are a mess食堂.
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但是我确实赞同
现在事情都是一团糟。
00:49
And so, we're going to come
back to this guy,
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我们等会儿再回到这伙计身上,
00:51
but let's talk about the mess食堂.
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我们先谈谈这团混乱。
00:53
Our climate's气候的 getting得到 hotter and hotter.
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我们的气候正日渐变暖,
00:55
It's getting得到 harder更难 and harder更难
to tell truth真相 from fiction小说.
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真实和谎言变得难以辨别,
00:58
And we've我们已经 got this global全球
migratory迁徙 crisis危机.
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同时,我们还面对
全球性的移民危机,
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And just at the moment时刻
when we really need new tools工具
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就在我们正迫切需要新的工具,
01:04
and new ways方法 of coming未来
together一起 as a society社会,
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以及团结新社会的方式时,
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it feels感觉 like social社会 media媒体
is kind of tearing撕裂 at our civic公民 fabric
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社交媒体的闯入有点
像是在撕裂我们的城市结构,
01:11
and setting设置 us against反对 each other.
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让我们互相攻击。
01:14
We've我们已经 got viral病毒
misinformation误传 on WhatsAppWhatsApp的,
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在WhatsApp上,
我们看到病毒似扩散的假消息,
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bullying欺凌 on InstagramInstagram的
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Instagram上的网络欺凌,
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and Russian俄语 hackers黑客 on FacebookFacebook的.
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还有脸书(Facebook)上的
俄罗斯黑客。
01:22
And I think this conversation会话
that we're having right now
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而且我认为我们现在
在进行的这场对话,
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about the harms危害 that
these platforms平台 are creating创建
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关于社交平台所带来的伤害
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is so important重要.
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是非常必要的。
01:30
But I also worry担心
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但我也担心
01:32
that we could be letting出租 a kind of good
existential存在 crisis危机 in Silicon Valley
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我们会使硅谷的善存危机
01:37
go to waste浪费
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荒废掉,
01:38
if the bar酒吧 for success成功 is just
that it's a little harder更难
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如果成功的标准仅是
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for Macedonian马其顿 teenagers青少年
to publish发布 false news新闻.
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让马其顿青少年们
更难发布假新闻。
01:46
The big question, I think, is not just
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但我认为真正的问题不只是
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what do we want platforms平台 to stop doing,
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我们想要社交平台停止做的事,
01:51
but now that they've他们已经 effectively有效
taken采取 control控制 of our online线上 public上市 square广场,
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而是现在他们正有效地掌控着
我们的在线公共空间,
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what do we need from them
for the greater更大 good?
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我们需要他们做什么
才能获得更大的公众利益?
01:59
To me, this is one of the most
important重要 questions问题 of our time.
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对于我而言,这是我们时代
最重要的问题之一,
02:05
What obligations义务
do tech高科技 platforms平台 have to us
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这些科技平台对于我们
有什么样的义务,
02:08
in exchange交换 for the power功率 we let them hold保持
over our discourse演讲?
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作为交换,我们赋予了
它们掌控我们讨论的力量?
02:13
I think this question is so important重要,
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我认为这个问题至关重要,
因为即使今天的
一些社交平台不在了,
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because even if today今天’s platforms平台 go away,
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02:17
we need to answer回答 this question
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我们仍然需要这个问题的答案,
02:19
in order订购 to be able能够 to ensure确保
that the new platforms平台 that come back
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以确保回归的新的平台
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are any better.
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比原来的更好。
02:24
So for the last year,
I've been working加工 with Dr博士. Talia塔里亚 Stroud斯特劳德
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在去年,我一直在
同德克萨斯大学分校的
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at the University大学 of Texas德州, Austin奥斯汀.
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塔利亚·斯特劳德博士共事。
02:29
We've我们已经 talked to sociologists社会学家
and political政治 scientists科学家们
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我们与很多社会学家、政治科学家
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and philosophers哲学家
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和哲学家探讨过,
02:33
to try to answer回答 this question.
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就为了获得这个问题的答案。
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And at first we asked,
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起初我们试问,
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"If you were Twitter推特 or FacebookFacebook的
and trying to rank content内容 for democracy民主
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“如果你是推特或脸书,
把推送内容以民主的方式
02:41
rather than for ad广告 clicks点击 or engagement订婚,
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而非为了广告点击率
或关注度进行排序,
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what might威力 that look like?"
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那会变得怎么样?”
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But then we realized实现,
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但随后我们意识到,
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this sort分类 of suggests提示 that
this is an information信息 problem问题
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这样的提议不过是信息问题,
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or a content内容 problem问题.
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或内容问题。
02:53
And for us, the platform平台 crisis危机
is a people problem问题.
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而对于我们而言,
平台面临的危机是“人”的问题,
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It's a problem问题 about the emergent应急
weird奇怪的 things that happen发生
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此问题是当无数群人们聚在一起
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when large groups of people get together一起.
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奇怪的事情就会不断发生。
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And so we turned转身 to another另一个, older旧的 idea理念.
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所以我们转而去思考
另一个相对陈旧的观点。
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We asked,
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我们问,
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"What happens发生 when we think
about platforms平台 as spaces空间?"
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“当我们把媒体平台设想成
空间时会发生什么?”
03:13
We know from social社会 psychology心理学
that spaces空间 shape形状 behavior行为.
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我们知道在社会心理学中
空间改变着社会行为。
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You put the same相同 group of people
in a room房间 like this,
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当你把同一群人放到这样的房间,
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and they're going to behave表现
really differently不同
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他们的行为会和在这样的房间里
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than in a room房间 like this.
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完全不同。
03:25
When researchers研究人员 put
softer柔和 furniture家具 in classrooms教室,
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当研究员在教室里
放些柔软舒适的家具,
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participation参与 rates利率 rose玫瑰 by 42 percent百分.
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课堂参与度上升了 42%。
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And spaces空间 even have
political政治 consequences后果.
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空间甚至会造成政治后果。
03:36
When researchers研究人员 looked看着 at
neighborhoods社区 with parks公园
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当研究员观察对比
那些紧邻公园的街区,
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versus neighborhoods社区 without,
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和没有公园的街区,
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after adjusting调整 for socioeconomic社会经济 factors因素,
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在调整了社会经济因素后,
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they found发现 that neighborhoods社区 with parks公园
had higher更高 levels水平 of social社会 trust相信
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他们发现那些带有公园的街区
社会信任度更高,
03:47
and were better able能够 to advocate主张
for themselves他们自己 politically政治上.
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且更能在政治上为自己辩护。
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So spaces空间 shape形状 behavior行为,
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所以,空间改变行为,
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partly部分地 by the way they're designed设计
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部分取决于它们的设计,
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and partly部分地 by the way that they encode编码
certain某些 norms规范 about how to behave表现.
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部分由于它们产生了
特定的行为准则。
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We all know that there are some behaviors行为
that are OK in a bar酒吧
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我们都知道有些行为只适合在酒吧,
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that are not OK in a library图书馆,
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却不适合图书馆,
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and maybe vice versa反之亦然.
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诸如此类。
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And this gives us a little bit of a clue线索,
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这为我们提供了一些线索,
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because there are online线上 spaces空间
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因为这些是在线的空间,
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that encode编码 these same相同 kinds
of behavioral行为的 norms规范.
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它们同样产生了类似的行为准则。
04:18
So, for example, behavior行为 on LinkedInLinkedIn
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所以,比如大家在
领英(LinkedIn)上的行为
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seems似乎 pretty漂亮 good.
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似乎还不错。
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Why?
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为什么?
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Because it reads as a workplace职场.
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因为它代表着工作场所,
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And so people follow跟随 workplace职场 norms规范.
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所以人们跟随着工作场所的准则,
04:29
You can even see it in the way
they dress连衣裙 in their profile轮廓 pictures图片.
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你甚至可以从他们头像的着装看出。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
04:34
So if LinkedInLinkedIn is a workplace职场,
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那么如果领英代表着工作场所,
04:37
what is Twitter推特 like?
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推特相当于什么呢?
04:39
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
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Well, it's like a vast广大, cavernous海绵状 expanse广阔,
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它像一个浩瀚的无底洞,
04:43
where there are people
talking about sports体育,
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那里有人在讨论体育运动,
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arguing争论 about politics政治,
yelling大呼小叫 at each other, flirting调情,
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争论政治,互相对骂,调情,
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trying to get a job工作,
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努力找工作,
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all in the same相同 place地点,
with no walls墙壁, no divisions,
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全部都混在一起,
没有墙,没有界限,
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and the owner所有者 gets得到 paid支付 more
the louder the noise噪声 is.
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里面的吵闹声越大
所有者就赚得越多。
04:55
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
04:56
No wonder奇迹 it's a mess食堂.
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怪不得成了一团糟。
04:58
And this raises加薪 another另一个 thing
that become成为 obvious明显
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而当我们从物理空间的
角度考虑平台,
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when we think about platforms平台
in terms条款 of physical物理 space空间.
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另一件事也变得显而易见了。
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Good physical物理 spaces空间
are almost几乎 always structured结构化的.
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良好的物理空间
几乎总是结构化的,
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They have rules规则.
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它们有自己的规则。
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Silicon Valley is built内置 on this idea理念
that unstructured非结构化 space空间 is conducive有利于
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硅谷建立在这样一个理念之上,
即非结构化空间有利于
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for human人的 behavior行为.
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人类行为。
05:19
And I actually其实 think
there's a reason原因 for this myopia近视
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我其实认为硅谷本身的位置
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built内置 into the location位置
of Silicon Valley itself本身.
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造成了这种缺乏远见的
理念是有原因的。
05:26
So, Michele米歇尔 Gelfand格尔法 is a sociologist社会学家
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米歇尔·盖尔芬德
是一位社会学家,
05:29
who studies学习 how norms规范
vary变化 across横过 cultures文化.
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他研究不同文化之间的规范
是如何变化的。
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And she watches手表 how cultures文化 like Japan日本 --
which哪一个 she calls电话 "tight" --
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她观察日本的文化——
她称之为“紧”——
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is very conformist墨守成规, very rule-following遵守规则,
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很循规蹈矩,很守规则,
05:38
and cultures文化 like Brazil巴西 are very loose疏松.
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而像巴西这样的文化则非常放松。
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You can see this even in things like
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你甚至可以在一些
事情上看到这一点像
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how closely密切 synchronized同步
the clocks时钟 are on a city street.
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城市街道上的时钟同步得有多近。
05:47
So as you can see, the United联合的 States状态
is one of the looser宽松 countries国家.
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所以,如你所见,
美国是比较宽松的国家之一。
05:51
And the loosest松弛 state
in the United联合的 States状态 is,
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而在美国最放松的州之一,
05:55
you got it, California加州.
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你猜到了,就是加州。
05:58
And Silicon Valley culture文化 came来了 out
of the 1970s Californian加州 counterculture反传统.
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硅谷文化源于上世纪 70 年代
加州的反主流文化。
06:04
So, just to recap概括:
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简单地概括下:
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the spaces空间 that the world世界 is living活的 in
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这个世界正处在的空间
06:07
came来了 out of the loosest松弛 culture文化
in the loosest松弛 state
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来自于最宽松的州里
最宽松的文化,
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in one of the loosest松弛
countries国家 in the world世界.
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还来自世界上最宽松的国家之一,
06:14
No wonder奇迹 they undervalue低估 structure结构体.
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难怪他们低估了规则的重要性。
06:17
And I think this really matters事项,
because people need structure结构体.
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我觉得这很重要,
因为人们需要规则。
06:22
You may可能 have heard听说 this word "anomie失 范."
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你或许听说过这个词“失范”。
06:24
It literally按照字面 means手段
"a lack缺乏 of norms规范" in French法国.
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在法语中,它的字面意思就是
“缺乏规范约束”,
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It was coined创造 by Émile英里 Durkheim涂尔干
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是由埃米尔·杜克希姆率先提出,
06:29
to describe描述 the vast广大, overwhelming压倒 feeling感觉
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用以描述当人们处于
毫无规范可言的空间时
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that people have in spaces空间 without norms规范.
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一种广泛的、难以控制的感觉。
06:37
Anomie失 范 has political政治 consequences后果.
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失范也有着政治后果,
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Because what Gelfand格尔法 has found发现
is that, when things are too loose疏松,
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因为盖尔芬德发现,
当一切都太松懈时,
06:45
people crave渴望 order订购 and structure结构体.
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人们会渴望秩序和体系。
06:48
And that craving for order订购 and structure结构体
correlates相关因素 really strongly非常
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而对秩序和体系的渴望与
对人们的支持息息相关,
就像这些家伙。
06:52
with support支持 for people like these guys.
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06:55
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
06:57
I don't think it's crazy to ask
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我觉得问这样的问题并不过分:
06:59
if the structurelessness无结构 of online线上 life
is actually其实 feeding馈送 anxiety焦虑
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毫无规则的在线生活
是否正在加剧我们的不安,
07:05
that's increasing增加 a responsiveness响应
to authoritarianism独裁主义.
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进一步增加了
我们对独裁主义的反应?
07:10
So how might威力 platforms平台
bring带来 people together一起
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那么这些平台是怎样
把人们聚集起来
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in a way that creates创建 meaning含义
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从而创造价值,
07:15
and helps帮助 people understand理解 each other?
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以及帮助人们相互理解的?
07:18
And this brings带来 me back
to our friend朋友 from Burning燃烧 Man.
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这把我带回了
来自火人节的那位朋友,
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Because listening to him, I realized实现:
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因为他的话让我意识到:
07:24
it's not just that Burning燃烧 Man
isn't the solution --
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火人节不但不是解决办法——
07:27
it's actually其实 a perfect完善 metaphor隐喻
for the problem问题.
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它其实是对问题最好的隐喻。
07:31
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
07:32
You know, it's a great place地点
to visit访问 for a week,
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那是去度过一周的完美去处,
07:34
this amazing惊人 art艺术 city,
rising升起 out of nowhere无处 in the dust灰尘.
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这令人惊叹的艺术之城,
像是沙尘中诞生的奇迹,
07:39
But you wouldn't不会 want to live生活 there.
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但你不会想要住在那里。
07:41
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
07:42
There's no running赛跑 water,
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那里没有自来水,
07:44
there's no trash垃圾 pickup捡起.
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没有垃圾回收,
07:45
At some point, the hallucinogens致幻剂 run out,
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到某时,要是迷幻药用完了,
07:48
and you're stuck卡住 with a bunch
of wealthy富裕 white白色 guys
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你会发现自己困在一堆
有钱的白人中,被沙漠中的
07:50
in the dust灰尘 in the desert沙漠.
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灰尘团团困住。
07:52
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
07:53
Which哪一个, to me, is sometimes有时
how social社会 media媒体 feels感觉 in 2019.
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这对我来说,有时就像是
2019 年的社交媒体带给我的感受。
07:57
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
07:59
A great, fun开玩笑, hallucinatory幻觉 place地点 to visit访问
has become成为 our home.
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一个伟大的、有趣的,充满幻想
的地方已经成为我们的家。
08:05
And so,
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所以,
08:06
if we look at platforms平台
through通过 the lens镜片 of spaces空间,
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如果当我们透过空间
看待这些平台,
08:09
we can then ask ourselves我们自己:
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我们可以试问自己:
08:10
Who knows知道 how to structure结构体 spaces空间
for the public上市 good?
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谁知道如何为公众利益构建空间?
08:16
And it turns out, this is a question
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结果,这是一个
08:17
people have been thinking思维 about
for a long time about cities城市.
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人们思考了很长时间的
关于城市的问题。
08:21
Cities城市 were the original原版的 platforms平台.
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城市是最初的平台,
08:24
Two-sided双面 marketplace市井?
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双边市场?
08:25
Check检查.
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符合。
08:27
Place地点 to keep up with old friends朋友
and distant遥远 relatives亲戚们?
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一个可以让老朋友
和远亲保持联系的地方?
08:30
Check检查.
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符合。
08:31
Vector向量 for viral病毒 sharing分享?
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病毒共享载体?
08:33
Check检查.
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符合。
08:35
In fact事实, cities城市 have encountered遇到
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事实上,城市遇到了
08:37
a lot of the same相同 social社会
and political政治 challenges挑战
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很多同样的社会和政治挑战,
08:40
that platforms平台 are now encountering遇到.
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也正是现在的平台所碰到的。
08:43
They've他们已经 dealt处理 with massive大规模的 growth发展
that overwhelmed不堪重负 existing现有 communities社区
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他们已经处理了
淹没了现有社区的巨大增长,
08:49
and the rise上升 of new business商业 models楷模.
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以及不断兴起的新商业模式。
08:53
They've他们已经 even had new,
frictionless摩擦 technologies技术
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他们甚至有了新的无缝技术,
08:56
that promised许诺 to connect everyone大家 together一起
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以保证让所有人保持联系,
08:59
and that instead代替 deepened加深
existing现有 social社会 and race种族 divides分歧.
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这也反而加深了
现存的社会种族分裂。
09:05
But because of this history历史
of decay衰变 and renewal复兴
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但是因为这段
曾经衰落又再度兴起、
09:08
and segregation隔离 and integration积分,
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不断分裂又融合的历史,
09:10
cities城市 are the source资源
of some of our best最好 ideas思路
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城市给我们的一些
最好想法带来了灵感,
09:13
about how to build建立 functional实用,
thriving communities社区.
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关于如何建立
功能性的、繁荣的社区。
09:18
Faced面对 with a top-down自顶向下,
car-driven汽车驱动 vision视力 of city life,
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面对着一个自上而下的、
汽车驱动的城市生活愿景,
09:22
pioneers开拓者 like Jane Jacobs雅各布斯 said,
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像是简·雅各布斯这样的先驱说,
09:24
let’s instead代替 put human人的 relationships关系
at the center中央 of urban城市的 design设计.
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让我们把人际关系
置于城市设计的核心。
09:30
Jacobs雅各布斯 and her fellow同伴 travelers旅客
like Holly冬青 Whyte怀特, her editor编辑,
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雅各布斯和她的旅伴,
比如她的编辑霍莉·怀特,
09:33
were these really great observers观察家
of what actually其实 happened发生 on the street.
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她们真的很善于观察
街上发生的事。
09:38
They watched看着: Where did
people stop and talk?
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她们观察:人们在哪里停留交谈?
09:42
When did neighbors邻居 become成为 friends朋友?
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邻里之间是何时起成为了朋友?
09:44
And they learned学到了 a lot.
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从中她们学到了很多。
09:46
For example, they noticed注意到
that successful成功 public上市 places地方
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比如,他们注意到
成功的公共场所
09:51
generally通常 have three different不同 ways方法
that they structure结构体 behavior行为.
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通常都有三种不同的方式
来规范行为。
09:54
There's the built内置 environment环境,
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首先要有人造的环境,
09:57
you know, that we're going to put
a fountain喷泉 here or a playground操场 there.
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我们会在这里放一个喷泉
或那里放一个嬉戏地。
10:01
But then, there's programming程序设计,
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其次,要有设定的程序,
10:03
like, let's put a band at seven
and get the kids孩子 out.
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比如 7 点有乐队表演,
把孩子们都请出去。
10:08
And there's this idea理念 of mayors市长,
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然后,还有关于市长的想法,
10:11
people who kind of take this
informal非正式的 ownership所有权 of a space空间
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就是有人对这个空间
享有非正式的所有权,
10:14
to keep it welcoming欢迎 and clean清洁.
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为了确保它的欢迎度和整洁。
10:17
All three of these things
actually其实 have analogues类似物 online线上.
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这三件事其实在网上
都有类似的概念。
10:21
But platforms平台 mostly大多 focus焦点 on code,
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但是平台主要关注代码,
10:23
on what's physically物理
possible可能 in the space空间.
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关注在这个空间里,
在物理上可能存在的东西。
10:26
And they focus焦点 much less on these
other two softer柔和, social社会 areas.
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同时,他们很少关注
另外两个更温和的社会领域。
10:31
What are people doing there?
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人们在那里做什么?
10:33
Who's谁是 taking服用 responsibility责任 for it?
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谁该为它负责?
10:36
So like Jane Jacobs雅各布斯 did for cities城市,
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就像简·雅各布斯为城市所做的,
10:39
Talia塔里亚 and I think we need
a new design设计 movement运动
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塔利亚和我认为我们
需要为在线空间
10:42
for online线上 space空间,
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设计一场新的改革运动,
10:43
one that considers考虑
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它会不只考虑,
10:45
not just "How do we build建立 products制品
that work for users用户 or consumers消费者?"
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“我们如何为用户或消费者
创建可行的产品?“
10:50
"How do we make something user-friendly用户友好?"
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“我们该怎么样制造
便于用户使用的东西?”
10:53
but "How do we make products制品
that are public-friendly公共友好型?"
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但更要考虑“我们怎样
让产品面向所有公众?”
10:58
Because we need products制品
that don't serve服务 individuals个人
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因为我们需要的产品不仅是为个人,
11:01
at the expense费用 of the social社会 fabric
on which哪一个 we all depend依靠.
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以牺牲我们赖以生存的
社会结构为代价。
11:06
And we need it urgently迫切,
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我们迫切地需要它,
11:08
because political政治 scientists科学家们 tell us
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因为政治科学家告诉我们,
11:10
that healthy健康 democracies民主
need healthy健康 public上市 spaces空间.
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健康的民主国家
需要健康的公共空间。
11:17
So, the public-friendly公共友好型 digital数字 design设计
movement运动 that Talia塔里亚 and I imagine想像
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所以,塔利亚和我想象的
公众友好的数字设计运动
11:21
asks this question:
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问出了这样一个问题:
11:22
What would this interaction相互作用 be like
if it was happening事件 in physical物理 space空间?
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如果这种互动发生
在现实空间,会是什么样子?
11:26
And it asks the reverse相反 question:
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它也反问我们:
11:28
What can we learn学习
from good physical物理 spaces空间
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我们可以从好的
现实空间中学到什么,
11:31
about how to structure结构体 behavior行为
in the online线上 world世界?
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从而更好的管理在线世界?
11:34
For example, I grew成长 up
in a small town in Maine缅因州,
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例如,我在缅因州的
一个小镇上长大,
11:37
and I went to a lot of those
town hall大厅 meetings会议 that you hear about.
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我参加过很多
你们听说的市政厅会议。
11:41
And unlike不像 the storybook故事 version,
they weren't always nice不错.
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但并非如各位所听说的,
它们其实并不总是好的。
11:45
Like, people had big conflicts冲突,
big feelings情怀 ...
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像是,人们总有大矛盾,情绪化……
11:48
It was hard sometimes有时.
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有时很难协调。
11:50
But because of the way
that that space空间 was structured结构化的,
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但是因为空间带给我们的限制,
11:52
we managed管理 to land土地 it OK.
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让我们得以掌控,让一切顺利进行。
11:55
How?
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怎么做到的呢?
11:57
Well, here's这里的 one important重要 piece.
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这是重点。
12:00
The downcast垂头丧气 glance一瞥, the dirty look,
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沮丧的眼神,怒目而视,
12:02
the raised上调 eyebrow, the cough咳嗽 ...
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扬起的眉角,还有咳嗽声……
12:05
When people went on too long
or lost丢失 the crowd人群,
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当人们没完没了的说着,
或者迷失在喧嚣中,
12:09
they didn't get banned取缔 or blocked受阻
or hauled拖拉 out by the police警察,
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他们不会被禁言或拉黑,
亦或是被警察拖出去,
12:13
they just got this soft柔软的,
negative social社会 feedback反馈.
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他们只得到了类似
温和的负面社会反馈。
12:16
And that was actually其实 very powerful强大.
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而这其实是相当有力的,
12:20
I think FacebookFacebook的 and Twitter推特
could build建立 this,
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我认为脸书和推特可以
建立类似这样的机制。
12:22
something like this.
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就像这样。
12:27
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
12:31
I think there are some other things
that online线上 spaces空间 can learn学习
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我认为在线空间
还有很多其他东西可以
12:34
from offline离线 spaces空间.
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从线下空间学习的。
12:36
Holly冬青 Whyte怀特 observed观察到的
that in healthy健康 public上市 spaces空间,
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霍利·怀特观察到
在健康的公共场所,
12:39
there are often经常 many许多 different不同 places地方
that afford给予 different不同 ways方法 of relating有关.
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通常不同的地方都会
为人们提供不同的社交方式。
12:43
So the picnic野餐 table
where you have lunch午餐 with your family家庭
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你和家人共用午餐的野炊桌
12:48
may可能 not be suited合适的 for the romantic浪漫
walk步行 with a partner伙伴
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可能不适合伴侣的浪漫散步,
12:52
or the talk with some business商业 colleagues同事.
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或者和同事谈论商务事宜。
12:55
And it's worth价值 noting注意 that in real真实 space空间,
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值得注意的是在现实空间,
12:57
in none没有 of these places地方 are there big,
visible可见 public上市 signs迹象 of engagement订婚.
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这些地方中都没有一个
明显的公众参与的标识。
13:02
So digital数字 designers设计师 could think about
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因此,数字设计师可以考虑
13:05
what kind of conversations对话
do we actually其实 want to invite邀请,
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我们到底想邀请
进行什么样的谈话,
13:08
and how do we build建立 specifically特别
for those kinds of conversations对话.
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以及我们如何针对这些
对话创建相应的空间。
13:13
Remember记得 the park公园 that we talked about
that built内置 social社会 trust相信?
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记得我之前谈到的那个
带来社会信任的公园吗?
13:16
That didn't happen发生 because people
were having these big political政治 arguments参数.
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那不是因为人们有这些
巨大的政治争论才出现的,
13:20
Most strangers陌生人 don't actually其实
even talk to each other
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大多数陌生人在头三到五次见面,
13:23
the first three or four
or five times they see each other.
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甚至都没有与彼此交流过。
13:27
But when people,
even very different不同 people,
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但是当人们,甚至是非常不同的人,
13:29
see each other a lot,
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不断地见到彼此,
13:31
they develop发展 familiarity熟悉,
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他们间会越来越熟悉,
而这就为关系打下了基石。
13:32
and that creates创建
the bedrock基岩 for relationships关系.
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13:35
And I think, actually其实, you know,
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事实上,我认为
13:39
maybe that early idea理念 of cyberspace网络空间
as kind of this bodiless博迪·无 meeting会议 place地点
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或许最初的网络空间
是为了打造纯心智和纯想法,
13:44
of pure minds头脑 and pure ideas思路
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无需面对面的交流方式,
13:46
sent发送 us off in the wrong错误 direction方向.
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却把我们领向了错误的方向,
13:48
Maybe what we need instead代替
is to find a way to be in proximity接近,
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也许我们需要的是
找到一种接近的方式,
13:52
mostly大多 talking amongst其中包括 ourselves我们自己,
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主要是与彼此交谈,
13:54
but all sharing分享 the same相同 warm sun太阳.
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同时,又共享一个温暖之阳。
13:58
And finally最后:
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而最后:
13:59
healthy健康 public上市 spaces空间 create创建
a sense of ownership所有权 and equity公平.
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健康的公共空间创造了
所有权和公平感,
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And this is where the city metaphor隐喻
becomes challenging具有挑战性的.
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这就是城市隐喻的挑战所在。
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Because, if Twitter推特 is a city,
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因为,如果推特是一座城市,
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it's a city that's owned拥有的
by just a few少数 people
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这座城的掌控权仅属于少数人,
14:12
and optimized优化 for financial金融 return返回.
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为了财务利益而不断优化。
14:16
I think we really need
digital数字 environments环境
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我觉得我们真正需要的电子环境
14:19
that we all actually其实 have
some real真实 ownership所有权 of,
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是在其中,我们每个人
都有一定的权力,
14:21
environments环境 that respect尊重
the diversity多样 of human人的 existence存在
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在这个环境中,
尊重彼此存在的多样性,
14:25
and that give us some say
and some input输入 into the process处理.
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且赋予每个人以声音,
让每个人都能参与这个进程。
14:28
And I think we need this urgently迫切.
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我相信这种多样性已经迫在眉睫,
14:30
Because FacebookFacebook的 right now --
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因为现在的脸书——
14:32
I sort分类 of think of, like, 1970s New York纽约.
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让我想到了上个世纪
70 年代的纽约。
14:35
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
14:36
The public上市 spaces空间 are decaying衰减,
there's trash垃圾 in the streets街道,
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公共场所正在腐烂,
街上尽是垃圾,
14:40
people are kind of, like,
mentally精神上 and emotionally感情上
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人们有点像是在精神上、情感上
14:42
warming变暖 themselves他们自己 over burning燃烧 garbage垃圾.
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通过焚烧垃圾来取暖。
14:44
(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
14:46
And --
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而且——
14:48
(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
14:53
And the natural自然 response响应 to this
is to hole up in your apartment公寓
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对此自然的反应是
躲在你的公寓里,
14:56
or consider考虑 fleeing逃离 for the suburbs郊区.
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或者考虑逃往郊区。
15:00
It doesn't surprise me
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很多人正在放弃
15:01
that people are giving up
on the idea理念 of online线上 public上市 spaces空间
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这个关于在线空间的想法,
就像历史上人们
15:05
the way that they've他们已经 given特定 up
on cities城市 over their history历史.
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放弃了自己的城市,
这一点我完全不感到惊讶。
15:10
And sometimes有时 -- I'll be honest诚实 --
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而且有时——我很诚实地说——
我感到整个项目
就像是在连接人类文明,
15:12
it feels感觉 to me like this whole整个 project项目
of, like, wiring接线 up a civilization文明
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15:16
and getting得到 billions数十亿 of people
to come into contact联系 with each other
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让数以亿计的人彼此联系,
15:19
is just impossible不可能.
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简直就难以实现。
15:22
But modern现代 cities城市 tell us
that it is possible可能
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但是现代的城市
向我们证明了它有可能
15:25
for millions百万 of people
who are really different不同,
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让数百万不同的人们,
15:27
sometimes有时 living活的
right on top最佳 of each other,
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有时生活在彼此之上,
15:30
not just to not kill each other,
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不去互相残杀,
15:32
but to actually其实 build建立 things together一起,
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而是去共同建立一切,
15:34
find new experiences经验,
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寻求新的体验,
15:36
create创建 beautiful美丽,
important重要 infrastructure基础设施.
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创造美好的、不可或缺的设施。
15:41
And we cannot不能 give up on that promise诺言.
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我们不能放弃这样的承诺,
15:45
If we want to solve解决 the big,
important重要 problems问题 in front面前 of us,
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如果我们想要解决我们
眼前这巨大的、重要的问题,
15:50
we need better online线上 public上市 spaces空间.
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我们需要更好的在线空间,
15:53
We need digital数字 urban城市的 planners规划者,
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我们需要数字城市规划师,
15:56
new Jane Jacobses雅各布斯,
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新一代的简·雅各布斯,
15:57
who are going to build建立 the parks公园
and park公园 benches长椅 of the online线上 world世界.
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那个能在网络世界
建造公园和长椅的人,
16:01
And we need digital数字,
public-friendly公共友好型 architects建筑师,
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我们需要数字时代的公共建筑师,
16:05
who are going to build建立
what Eric埃里克 Klinenberg克利嫩贝格 calls电话
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他们可以建设
埃里克·克兰纳伯格称之为
16:07
"palaces宫殿 for the people" --
libraries图书馆 and museums博物馆 and town halls大厅.
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“为人民而建的宫殿”——
图书馆、博物馆和市政厅。
16:12
And we need a transnational跨国 movement运动,
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我们需要一个跨国运动,
16:14
where these spaces空间
can learn学习 from each other,
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使这些空间可以互相学习,
16:17
just like cities城市 have,
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就像今天的城市,
16:18
about everything from urban城市的 farming农业
to public上市 art艺术 to rapid快速 transit过境.
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从城市农业到
公共艺术,再到快速交通。
16:25
Humanity人性 moves移动 forward前锋
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当我们能找到
16:28
when we find new ways方法 to rely依靠 on
and understand理解 and trust相信 each other.
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新的依靠、相互理解
和信任时,人类就在进步。
16:34
And we need this now more than ever.
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此刻,我们对这一愿景
的需要胜过任何时候,
16:38
If online线上 digital数字 spaces空间
are going to be our new home,
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如果在线数字空间
将成为我们的新家,
16:42
let's make them a comfortable自在,
beautiful美丽 place地点 to live生活,
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让我们把它们打造成
一个舒适、美好的地方,
16:45
a place地点 we all feel not just included包括
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一个我们不仅能感到被接纳包容,
16:48
but actually其实 some ownership所有权 of.
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而且都有一定所有权的地方;
16:50
A place地点 we get to know each other.
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一个我们能互相了解彼此的地方;
16:53
A place地点 you'd actually其实 want
not just to visit访问
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一个你不仅想去,而且想要
16:56
but to bring带来 your kids孩子.
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带上孩子们去的地方。
16:59
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
17:00
(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
Translated by Yanyan Hong

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Eli Pariser - Organizer and author
Pioneering online organizer Eli Pariser is the author of "The Filter Bubble," about how personalized search might be narrowing our worldview.

Why you should listen

Shortly after the September 11, 2001, attacks, Eli Pariser created a website calling for a multilateral approach to fighting terrorism. In the following weeks, over half a million people from 192 countries signed on, and Pariser rather unexpectedly became an online organizer. The website merged with MoveOn.org in November 2001, and Pariser -- then 20 years old -- joined the group to direct its foreign policy campaigns. He led what the New York Times Magazine called the "mainstream arm of the peace movement" -- tripling MoveOn's member base and demonstrating how large numbers of small donations could be mobilized through online engagement.

In 2004, Pariser became executive director of MoveOn. Under his leadership, MoveOn.org Political Action has grown to 5 million members and raised over $120 million from millions of small donors to support advocacy campaigns and political candidates. Pariser focused MoveOn on online-to-offline organizing, developing phone-banking tools and precinct programs in 2004 and 2006 that laid the groundwork for Barack Obama's extraordinary web-powered campaign. In 2008, Pariser transitioned the Executive Director role at MoveOn to Justin Ruben and became President of MoveOn’s board; he's now a senior fellow at the Roosevelt Institute.

His book The Filter Bubble is set for release May 12, 2011. In it, he asks how modern search tools -- the filter by which many of see the wider world -- are getting better and better and screening the wider world from us, by returning only the search results it "thinks" we want to see.

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