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Hawa Abdi + Deqo Mohamed: Mother and daughter doctor-heroes
Majka i kći doktori-heroji: Hawa Abdi + Deqo Mohamed
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Nazivaju ih "Svetice Somalije". Doktorica Hawa Abdi i njezina kćer Deqo Mohamed raspravljaju o svojoj medicinskoj klinici u Somaliji, gdje -- unatoč građanskom ratu i otvorenom tlačenju ženu -- su one izgradile bolnicu, školu i zajednicu mira.
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed - Somali doctors who treat women refugees
Dr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free. Full bio
Dr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free. Full bio
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00:16
Hawa Abdi: Many people -- 20 years for Somalia --
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Hawa Abdi: Puno ljudi -- 20 godina za Somaliju --
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[were] fighting.
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[se] borilo.
00:21
So there was no job, no food.
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Tako da nije bilo posla, hrane.
00:25
Children, most of them,
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Djeca, većina njih,
00:27
became very malnourished, like this.
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su postala jako slabo ishranjena, poput ovoga.
00:31
Deqo Mohamed: So as you know,
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Deqo Mohamed: Kao što znate,
00:33
always in a civil war,
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uvijek u građanskom ratu,
00:35
the ones affected most [are] the women and children.
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oni koji su najviše pogođeni [su] žene i djeca.
00:38
So our patients are women and children.
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Tako su naši pacijenti žene i djeca.
00:41
And they are in our backyard.
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I oni su u našem dvorištu.
00:43
It's our home. We welcome them.
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To je naš dom; mi im upućujemo dobrodošlicu.
00:45
That's the camp that we have in now
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Ovo je kamp u kojem sada imamo
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90,000 people,
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90.000 ljudi
00:50
where 75 percent of them are women and children.
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od kojih su 75 posto žene i djeca.
00:53
Pat Mitchell: And this is your hospital. This is the inside.
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Pat Mitchell: A ovo je vaša bolnica. Ovo je unutra.
00:55
HA: We are doing C-sections and different operations
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HA: Izvodimo carski rez i razne druge operacije
00:58
because people need some help.
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jer je ljudima potrebna pomoć.
01:01
There is no government to protect them.
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Nema vlade koja bi ih zaštitila.
01:04
DM: Every morning we have about 400 patients,
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DM: Svakog jutra imamo oko 400 pacijenata,
01:07
maybe more or less.
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nekada više ili manje.
01:09
But sometimes we are only five doctors
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Ali ponekad imamo samo pet doktora
01:12
and 16 nurses,
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i 16 medicinskih sestara,
01:14
and we are physically getting exhausted to see all of them.
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i fizički se iscrpimo dok ih sve pregledamo.
01:18
But we take the severe ones,
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Ali uzimamo one najozbiljnije,
01:20
and we reschedule the other ones the next day.
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a druge prebacimo na drugi dan.
01:23
It is very tough.
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To je jako teško.
01:25
And as you can see, it's the women who are carrying the children;
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I kao što možete vidjeti, to su žene koje nose djecu,
01:28
it's the women who come into the hospitals;
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to su žene koje dolaze u bolnicu,
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it's the women [are] building the houses.
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to su žene koje grade kuće.
01:32
That's their house.
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To je njihova kuća.
01:34
And we have a school. This is our bright --
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I imamo školu. Ovo je naš svjetli --
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we opened [in the] last two years [an] elementary school
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otvorili smo [u] posljednje dvije godine osnovnu školu
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where we have 850 children,
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gdje imamo 850 djece,
01:43
and the majority are women and girls.
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i većina su žene i curice.
01:45
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
01:51
PM: And the doctors have some very big rules
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PM: A doktori imaju neka jako velika pravila
01:54
about who can get treated at the clinic.
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o tome tko se može liječiti u klinici.
01:56
Would you explain the rules for admission?
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Hoćeš li objasniti pravila za upis?
01:59
HA: The people who are coming to us,
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HA: Ljudi koji nam dolaze,
02:01
we are welcoming.
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su dobrodošli.
02:03
We are sharing with them
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Dijelimo s njima
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whatever we have.
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štogod imamo.
02:07
But there are only two rules.
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Ali postoje samo dva pravila.
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First rule:
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Prvo pravilo:
02:11
there is no clan distinguished and political division
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nema klanskog prepoznavanja i političkih podjela
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in Somali society.
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u somalijskom društvu.
02:17
[Whomever] makes those things we throw out.
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[Tkogod] pokuša raditi te stvari biva izbaćen.
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The second:
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Drugo:
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no man can beat his wife.
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niti jedan muškarac ne smije tući svoju ženu.
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If he beat,
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Ako je istuće,
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we will put [him] in jail,
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staviti ćemo [ga] u zatvor,
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and we will call the eldest people.
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i pozvati ćemo starješine.
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Until they identify this case,
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Dok oni ne sagledaju sve dokaze,
02:34
we'll never release him.
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mi ga nećemo pustiti.
02:36
That's our two rules.
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To su naša dva pravila.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
02:43
The other thing that I have realized,
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Druga stvar koju sam shvatila,
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that the woman is the most strong person
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da su žene najsnažnija stvorenja
02:49
all over the world.
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na cijelom svijetu.
02:51
Because the last 20 years,
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Jer zadnjih 20 godina,
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the Somali woman has stood up.
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somalijska žena je ustala.
02:56
They were the leaders,
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Bile su vođe,
02:58
and we are the leaders
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a mi smo vođe
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of our community
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naše zajedince
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and the hope of our future generations.
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i nada za buduće generacije.
03:04
We are not just the helpless
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Mi nismo bespomoćne
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and the victims of the civil war.
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i žrtve građanskog rata.
03:08
We can reconcile.
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Možemo se izmiriti.
03:10
We can do everything.
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Možemo učiniti sve.
03:12
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
03:18
DM: As my mother said, we are the future hope,
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DM: Kao što je moja majka rekla, mi smo nada za budućnost,
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and the men are only killing in Somalia.
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a u Somaliji ubijaju samo muškarci.
03:23
So we came up with these two rules.
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Tako smo došle do ta dva pravila.
03:25
In a camp with 90,000 people,
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U kampu s 90.000 ljudi,
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you have to come up with some rules or there is going to be some fights.
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morate uspostaviti neka pravila ili ćete imati sukobe.
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So there is no clan division,
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Tako nema klanskih podjela,
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and no man can beat his wife.
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i niti jedan muškarac ne smije istući svoju ženu.
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And we have a little storage room
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I imamo malo spremište
03:36
where we converted a jail.
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koje pretvaramo po potrebi u zatvor.
03:38
So if you beat your wife, you're going to be there.
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Dakle ako istućete svoju ženu, završiti ćete tamo.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
03:42
So empowering the women and giving the opportunity --
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Osnaživanjem žena i davanjem mogućnosti --
03:45
we are there for them. They are not alone for this.
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mi smo tamo za njih; one nisu same u tome.
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PM: You're running a medical clinic.
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PM: Vi vodite medicinsku kliniku.
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It brought much, much needed medical care
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To je donijelo jako, jako potrebitu medicinsku brigu
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to people who wouldn't get it.
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ljudima koji nisu mogli do nje doći.
03:56
You're also running a civil society.
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Vi također vodite civilno društvo.
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You've created your own rules,
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Stvorili ste vlastita pravila,
04:00
in which women and children
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u kojima žene i djeca
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are getting a different sense of security.
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dobivaju drugačiji osjećaj sigurnosti.
04:05
Talk to me about your decision, Dr. Abdi,
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Recite mi nešto o svojoj odluci, Dr. Abdi,
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and your decision, Dr. Mohamed,
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i vašoj odluci, Dr. Mohamed,
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to work together --
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da radite zajedno --
04:12
for you to become a doctor
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kako ste postali doktorica
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and to work with your mother in these circumstances.
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i započeli raditi s majkom u tim okolnostima.
04:17
HA: My age --
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HA: Moje godine --
04:19
because I was born in 1947 --
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jer ja sam rođena 1947. --
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we were having, at that time,
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u to vrijeme smo imali,
04:24
government, law and order.
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vladu, zakone i red.
04:28
But one day, I went to the hospital --
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Ali jednog dana, otišla sam u bolnicu --
04:31
my mother was sick --
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moja majka je bila bolesna --
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and I saw the hospital, how they [were] treating the doctors,
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a ja sam vidjela bolnicu, kako [su] oni tretirali doktore,
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how they [are] committed
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kako [su] bili predani
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to help the sick people.
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pomoći bolesnim ljudima.
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I admired them,
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Divila sam im se,
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and I decided to become a doctor.
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i odlučila sam da ću postati doktoricom.
04:45
My mother died, unfortunately,
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Moja majka je umrla, na nesreću,
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when I was 12 years [old].
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kada sam bila 12 godina [stara].
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Then my father allowed me
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Onda mi je otac dopustio
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to proceed [with] my hope.
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da nastavim [sa] svojom nadom.
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My mother died
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Moja majka je umrla
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in [a] gynecology complication,
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uslijed ginekološke komplikacije,
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so I decided to become
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tako sam ja odlučila postati
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a gynecology specialist.
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ginekološki specijalist.
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That's why I became a doctor.
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To je razlog zašto sam postala doktoricom.
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So Dr. Deqo has to explain.
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Tako će i Dr. Deqo objasniti.
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DM: For me, my mother was preparing [me] when I was a child
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DM: Za mene, moja majka [me] pripremala dok sam bila dijete
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to become a doctor, but I really didn't want to.
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da postanem doktoricom, ali ja to stvarno nisam željela.
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Maybe I should become an historian,
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Možda bih trebala postati povjesničarkom,
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or maybe a reporter.
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ili možda reporterka.
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I loved it, but it didn't work.
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Voljela sam to, ali nije išlo.
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When the war broke out -- civil war --
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Kada je izbio rat -- građanski rat --
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I saw how my mother was helping
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vidjela sam kako moja majka pomaže
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and how she really needed the help,
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i kako je njoj stvarno potrebna pomoć,
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and how the care is essential to the woman
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i kako je briga nužna za ženu
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to be a woman doctor in Somalia
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da postane doktoricom u Somaliji
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and help the women and children.
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i pomaže ženama i djeci.
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And I thought, maybe I can be a reporter and doctor gynecologist.
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I pomislila sam, možda mogu biti reporterka i ginekologica.
05:39
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:41
So I went to Russia, and my mother also,
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Tako sam otišla u Rusiju, i moja mama isto,
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[during the] time of [the] Soviet Union.
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[za] vrijeme Sovjetskog Saveza.
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So some of our character,
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Dakle dio našeg karaktera,
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maybe we will come with a strong Soviet background of training.
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možda dolazi uslijed snažnog sovjetskog treninga.
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So that's how I decided [to do] the same.
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Tako sam ja odlučila [napraviti] istu stvar.
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My sister was different.
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Moja sestra je drugačija.
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She's here. She's also a doctor.
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Ona je ovdje. Ona je također doktorica.
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She graduated in Russia also.
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Ona je također diplomirala u Rusiji.
06:00
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
06:02
And to go back and to work with our mother
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I vratiti se i raditi s našom majkom
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is just what we saw in the civil war --
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je ono što smo mi vidjele u građanskom ratu --
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when I was 16, and my sister was 11,
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kada sam imala 16 a moja sestra 11
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when the civil war broke out.
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izbio je građanski rat.
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So it was the need and the people we saw
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To je bila potreba a ljudi koje smo vidjeli
06:15
in the early '90s --
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u ranim 90im,
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that's what made us go back
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to je ono što nas je potaknulo da se vratimo nazad
06:19
and work for them.
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i radimo za njih.
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PM: So what is the biggest challenge
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PM: Što je najveći izazov
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working, mother and daughter,
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rada, majke i kćeri,
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in such dangerous
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u takvim opasnim
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and sometimes scary situations?
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i ponekad zastrašujućim situacijama?
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HA: Yes, I was working in a tough situation,
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HA: Da, radila sam u teškim uvjetima,
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very dangerous.
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jako opasnim.
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And when I saw the people who needed me,
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I kada sam vidjela ljude koji me trebaju,
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I was staying with them to help,
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ostajala bih s njima da im pomognem,
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because I [could] do something for them.
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jer sam [mogla] učiniti nešto za njih.
06:46
Most people fled abroad.
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Većina ljudi je pobjegla u inozemstvo.
06:50
But I remained with those people,
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Ali ja sam ostala s tim ljudima,
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and I was trying to do something --
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i pokušavala sam nešto učiniti --
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[any] little thing I [could] do.
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[bilo] kakvu malu stvar koju sam mogla napraviti.
06:59
I succeeded in my place.
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Uspjela sam u svom mjestu.
07:02
Now my place is 90,000 people
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Sada moje mjesto ima 90.000 ljudi
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who are respecting each other,
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koji poštuju jedni druge,
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who are not fighting.
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koji se ne sukobljavaju.
07:11
But we try to stand on our feet,
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Ali pokušavamo ostati na nogama,
07:15
to do something, little things, we can for our people.
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kako bismo učinili nešto, male stvari koje možemo učiniti za ljude.
07:19
And I'm thankful for my daughters.
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I ja sam zahvalna na mojim kćerima.
07:22
When they come to me,
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Kada mi dođu,
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they help me to treat the people,
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pomognu mi liječiti ljude,
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to help.
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zbog pomoći.
07:28
They do everything for them.
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One rade sve za njih.
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They have done what I desire to do for them.
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One su napravile ono što sam od njih željela.
07:34
PM: What's the best part
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PM: Koji je najbolji dio
07:36
of working with your mother,
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rada sa svojom majkom,
07:38
and the most challenging part for you?
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a koji je najizazovniji dio?
07:41
DM: She's very tough; it's most challenging.
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DM: Ona je jako tvrda, to je najizazovnije.
07:44
She always expects us to do more.
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Uvijek očekuje da napravimo više.
07:47
And really when you think [you] cannot do it,
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I kada stvarno mislite da nešto ne možete,
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she will push you, and I can do it.
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ona će vas gurnuti, i onda to ostvarite.
07:51
That's the best part.
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To je najbolji dio.
07:53
She shows us, trains us how to do
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Ona nas trenira kako da to napravimo
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and how to be better [people]
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i kako da budemo bolji [ljudi]
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and how to do long hours in surgery --
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i kako provesti puno sati na operaciji --
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300 patients per day,
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300 pacijenata dnevno,
08:02
10, 20 surgeries,
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10, 20 operacija,
08:04
and still you have to manage the camp --
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i još uvijek trebate upravljati kampom --
08:06
that's how she trains us.
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tako nas ona trenira.
08:09
It is not like beautiful offices here,
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Tamo nema lijepih ureda,
08:11
20 patients, you're tired.
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20 pacijenata, vi ste umorni.
08:13
You see 300 patients, 20 surgeries
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Vidite 300 pacijenata, 20 operacija
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and 90,000 people to manage.
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i 90.000 ljudi kojima treba upravljati.
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PM: But you do it for good reasons.
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PM: Ali to radite iz dobrih razloga.
08:21
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:25
Wait. Wait.
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Čekajte. Čekajte.
08:27
HA: Thank you.
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HA: Hvala vam.
08:29
DM: Thank you.
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DM: Hvala vam.
08:31
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:35
HA: Thank you very much. DM: Thank you very much.
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HA: Hvala vam jako puno. (DM: Hvala vama jako puno.)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Dr. Hawa Abdi + Dr. Deqo Mohamed - Somali doctors who treat women refugeesDr. Hawa Abdi and her daughters, Dr. Deqo Mohamed and Dr. Amina Mohamed, treat Somali refugee women and children, often for free.
Why you should listen
Dr. Hawa Abdi is an OB/GYN (and a lawyer) who lives and works in Somalia with her daughters, also doctors, Dr. Amina Mohamed and Dr. Dr. Deqo Mohamed. In 1983, she opened a small clinic in Somalia -- which became a refuge as Somalia devolved into civil war. Her one-room clinic has grown to encompass a hospital, a school and a refugee camp for some 90,000 women and children, she estimates, who were displaced by war.
In 2010, Glamour named Dr. Abdi and her daughters "Women of the Year," and called them the "Saints of Somalia." Nicholas Kristoff wrote a stirring tribute to her work titled "Heroic, Female and Muslim." And she works largely on her own; as Glamour notes: "While Dr. Abdi has gotten some help, many charities refuse to enter Somalia. 'It’s the most dangerous country,' says Kati Marton, a board member of Human Rights Watch. 'Dr. Abdi is just about the only one doing anything.'"
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