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Jorge Drexler: Poetry, music and identity
Horhe Dreksler (Jorge Drexler): Poezija, muzika i identitet
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Jedne noći, godine 2002, prijatelj je Horhe Dreksleru dao refren i izazvao ga je da napiše ostatak pesme po uzoru na složen pesnički oblik, poznat kao decima. U ovom očaravajućem govoru, Dreksler istražuje prirodu identiteta, preplićući istoriju decime sa sopstvenim putem pisanja pesme. Govor završava pesmom: "Milonga mavarskog Jevrejina", koja je nastala iz ove priče:
Jorge Drexler - Musician, poet
Jorge Drexler is a musician and the first Uruguayan to win an Oscar. His music plays with genre and influence, combining subtle harmonies and regional styles with electronic effects. Full bio
Jorge Drexler is a musician and the first Uruguayan to win an Oscar. His music plays with genre and influence, combining subtle harmonies and regional styles with electronic effects. Full bio
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00:13
I'm going to tell you the story of a song.
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Ispričaću vam priču o jednoj pesmi.
00:15
I was in Madrid one night in 2002
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Bio sam u Madridu
jedne noći, godine 2002.
jedne noći, godine 2002.
sa mojim učiteljem
i prijateljem Hoakinom Sabinom,
i prijateljem Hoakinom Sabinom,
00:20
with my teacher and friend Joaquín Sabina,
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00:22
when he said he had something to give me.
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kad mi je rekao kako ima nešto da mi da.
00:25
He said,
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Rekao mi je:
00:26
"Jorge, I have some lines
that you need to put into a song.
that you need to put into a song.
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"Horhe, imam neke stihove
na koje ti treba da napišeš pesmu.
na koje ti treba da napišeš pesmu.
00:30
Take these down, take these down."
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Zapiši ih. Zapiši ih."
Pretražio sam po stolu,
00:32
I looked on the table but all I found
was a circular coaster,
was a circular coaster,
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a jedino što sam našao
su bili podmetači za čaše,
su bili podmetači za čaše,
00:35
on which I wrote the lines
my teacher dictated.
my teacher dictated.
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na njima sam zapisao stihove
koje mi je maestro izdiktirao.
koje mi je maestro izdiktirao.
00:37
They were four lines that went like this:
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Četiri stiha koja su glasila:
"Ja mavarski Jevrejin sam
što međ' hrišćanima živi,
što međ' hrišćanima živi,
00:39
"I am a Jewish Moor
living among Christians
living among Christians
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00:43
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are."
nor who my brothers are."
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koji bog je moj, pak, ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi."
niti ko mi je brat pravi."
00:48
Those lines really made
an impression on me.
an impression on me.
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Ovi stihovi su me zaista
poprilično dirnuli.
poprilično dirnuli.
Upitao sam: "Kako lepi stihovi,
Hoakine, jesu li tvoji?"
Hoakine, jesu li tvoji?"
00:51
I said, "What beautiful lyrics,
Joaquín. Did you write them?"
Joaquín. Did you write them?"
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Rekao mi je: "Ne."
00:54
He said no, they were by another composer
named Chicho Sánchez Ferlosio,
named Chicho Sánchez Ferlosio,
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Rekao mi je da su jednog
drugog kompozitora
drugog kompozitora
koji se zvao Čičo Sančez Ferlosio,
koji je bio manje poznat od Hoakina,
ali je takođe veoma značajan.
ali je takođe veoma značajan.
00:59
who was less known than Joaquín,
but also a great poet.
but also a great poet.
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01:03
These lines came to me at a time
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Ti stihovi su stigli baš kao nešto
što sam već neko vreme želeo da kažem,
što sam već neko vreme želeo da kažem,
01:05
where I had been wanting
to express something for a while,
to express something for a while,
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ali nisam znao kako.
01:08
but didn't quite know how.
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01:09
I was getting up to leave
and go home to write,
and go home to write,
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Spremao sam se da krenem,
kako bih stigao kod kuće da pišem,
kako bih stigao kod kuće da pišem,
01:12
when Joaquín stopped me
and said, "Hang on, hang on,"
and said, "Hang on, hang on,"
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kad me je Hoakin zaustavio
i rekao: "Čekaj, čekaj",
i rekao: "Čekaj, čekaj",
01:15
and presented me with this challenge:
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i zadao mi je sledeći izazov:
01:17
"Write the stanzas for this song
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"Napiši strofe za ovu pesmu
u obliku decime."
01:21
in Décimas."
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01:23
Now, at this point in my life,
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Sad, u tom momentu svog postojanja,
01:25
I still wasn't completely
sure what Décimas were,
sure what Décimas were,
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još uvek mi nije bilo najjasnije
šta su to decime,
šta su to decime,
01:29
but I was too embarrassed
to tell my teacher I didn't know.
to tell my teacher I didn't know.
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ali me je bilo strašno sramota
da kažem maestru da ne znam.
da kažem maestru da ne znam.
01:33
So I put on my best
"Yeah, I totally understand" face,
"Yeah, I totally understand" face,
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Te sam napravio izraz lica
kao da razumem i krenuo sam kući
kao da razumem i krenuo sam kući
01:37
and went home to look up
what Décimas were.
what Décimas were.
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kako bih pokušao da saznam
šta su to decime.
šta su to decime.
01:40
I learned that a Décima is a type of verse
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Saznao sam da je decima tip strofe
koji jedino postoji na španskom jeziku,
01:43
that only exists in Spanish,
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01:45
and that it has 10 lines.
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da ima deset stihova.
01:46
It's very, very complex --
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Veoma je složena, veoma, veoma složena.
01:48
perhaps the most complex style of stanza
that we have in Spanish.
that we have in Spanish.
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Možda i najsloženija od svih
koje imamo u našem jeziku,
koje imamo u našem jeziku,
01:51
It also has a very concrete
date of origin,
date of origin,
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koja, uz to, ima konkretan datum nastanka,
01:54
which is very rare for a style of stanza.
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što je retkost kod poezije.
01:56
The Décima was invented in Spain in 1591,
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Decimu je izmislio u Španiji 1591.
gospodin koji se zvao Visente Espinel,
02:01
by a guy named Vicente Espinel,
a musician and poet from Málaga.
a musician and poet from Málaga.
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koji je bio muzičar i pesnik iz Malage.
Zamislite i to -
koja slučajnost - isti taj čovek
koja slučajnost - isti taj čovek
02:07
And listen to this coincidence:
he was the same guy
he was the same guy
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02:10
who added the sixth string
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je stavio šestu žicu na nešto
što će kasnije postati španska gitara.
što će kasnije postati španska gitara.
02:12
to what would later be called
the Spanish guitar.
the Spanish guitar.
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Ova žica ovde,
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This string right here --
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it's called the "bordona."
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nazvana "bordona".
02:18
From Spain, the Décima, with its 10 lines,
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Iz Španije, decima,
sa svojih deset stihova,
sa svojih deset stihova,
02:22
crosses over to America,
just like the Spanish guitar,
just like the Spanish guitar,
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stiže do Amerike,
baš kao i španska gitara,
baš kao i španska gitara,
02:26
but in contrast to the Décima,
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međutim razlika je u tome
02:28
the Spanish guitar continues to live today
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što je španska gitara i dan danas živa
02:30
on both sides of the Atlantic.
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s obe strane Atlantika.
02:32
But the Décima, in Spain, its birthplace,
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Međutim, decima, na mestu
na kom je nastala, u Španiji,
na kom je nastala, u Španiji,
02:35
disappeared; it died out.
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nestala je, izumrla je.
02:38
It died out about 200 years ago,
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Već nekoliko vekova se ne praktikuje tu,
02:40
and yet in Latin America,
from Mexico to Chile,
from Mexico to Chile,
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ali, nasuprot tome, u Latinskoj Americi
od Meksika do Čilea,
od Meksika do Čilea,
02:45
all our countries maintain
some form of the Décima
some form of the Décima
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u svim našim krajevima
se zadržao neki tip decime
se zadržao neki tip decime
02:49
in our popular traditions.
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u našoj narodnoj tradiciji.
02:52
In each place, they've given it
a different name,
a different name,
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U svim krajevima su je drugačije nazvali,
muzika je različita.
02:54
and set it to different music.
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02:56
It has a lot of different names --
more than 20 in total on the continent.
more than 20 in total on the continent.
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Ima razna imena,
više od 20 na čitavom kontinentu.
više od 20 na čitavom kontinentu.
03:01
In Mexico, for example,
it's called the "Son Jarocho,"
it's called the "Son Jarocho,"
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Nazivaju je, na primer:
"Son Jarocho" u Meksiku,
"Son Jarocho" u Meksiku,
03:04
"Canto de mejorana" in Panama;
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"Canto de mejorana" u Panami,
03:06
"Galerón" in Venezuela;
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"Galerón" u Venecueli,
03:08
"Payada" in Uruguay and Argentina;
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"Payada" u Urugvaju i Argentini,
03:11
"Repentismo" in Cuba.
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"Repentismo" na Kubi.
U Peruu, na primer,
nazivaju je "peruanskom decimom".
nazivaju je "peruanskom decimom".
03:12
In Peru, they call it the Peruvian Décima,
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03:15
because the Décima becomes
so integrated into our traditions,
so integrated into our traditions,
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Iz razloga što je decima
tako stopljena sa našim tradicijama,
tako stopljena sa našim tradicijama,
03:18
that if someone asks, people
from each place are completely convinced
from each place are completely convinced
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ako bi neko upitao, svi oni
bi bili potpuno ubeđeni
bi bili potpuno ubeđeni
da su baš u njihovim državama
izmislili decimu.
izmislili decimu.
03:21
that the Décima was invented
in their country.
in their country.
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03:24
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:25
It's also got a really surprising feature,
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Osim toga, ima nešto krajnje iznenađujuće.
03:28
which is that despite the fact
that it developed independently
that it developed independently
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A to je, uprkos tome
što se nezavisno razvijala
što se nezavisno razvijala
03:31
in each of the different countries,
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u svakoj od tih zemalja,
03:33
it maintains even today,
400 years after its creation,
400 years after its creation,
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zadržala je do dana današnjeg,
više od 400 godina nakon nastanka,
više od 400 godina nakon nastanka,
03:37
exactly the same rhyme,
syllable and line structure --
syllable and line structure --
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identičnu strukturu rime,
slogova i stihova.
slogova i stihova.
Istu strukturu koju joj
je podario Visente Espinel
je podario Visente Espinel
03:44
the same structure Vicente Espinel gave it
during the Spanish Baroque period.
during the Spanish Baroque period.
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u španskom baroku.
Ovako glasi struktura -
03:48
Here's the structure --
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03:49
I'll give you the basic idea
and then later you can look online
and then later you can look online
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objasniću vam ukratko,
pa posle možete poći na internet,
i sami videti kako ide -
i sami videti kako ide -
03:52
and learn more about it.
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03:55
The Décima is ten lines long;
each line has eight syllables.
each line has eight syllables.
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ima deset stihova sa po osam slogova.
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The first line rhymes
with the fourth and the fifth;
with the fourth and the fifth;
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Prvi stih se rimuje sa četvrtim i petim,
drugi sa trećim,
04:02
the second line, with the third;
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04:04
the sixth line,
with the seventh and the tenth;
with the seventh and the tenth;
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šesti sa sedmim i sa desetim,
04:06
and the eighth line rhymes with the ninth.
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a osmi sa devetim.
04:09
It's a bit complicated, to be honest.
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Zaista je malo komplikovana.
04:12
And me -- imagine me,
trying to write in Décimas.
trying to write in Décimas.
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I ja - zamislite me kako pokušavam
da napišem decimu.
da napišem decimu.
04:16
But it's not as complicated as it seems.
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Ali nije toliko složena, koliko se čini.
04:19
Plus, it's amazing that it's survived
with the same structure
with the same structure
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Osim toga, neverovatno je da je preživela
sa tom istom strukturom
sa tom istom strukturom
04:22
for more than four centuries.
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više od četiri veka.
04:24
It's not that complicated, because it has
an impressive musicality to it,
an impressive musicality to it,
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Nije toliko složena jer ima
fantastičnu muzikalnost.
fantastičnu muzikalnost.
Ima tip muzikalnosti
04:28
a type of musicality
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that's very hard to describe technically.
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koga je veoma teško tehnički objasniti.
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I prefer that you listen to it.
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Radije bih da je čujete.
04:35
So I'm going to recite a Décima,
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Stoga ću da vam izrecitujem jednu decimu.
04:39
one of the Décimas
that I wrote for this song.
that I wrote for this song.
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Na primer, jednu od decima
koje sam napisao za ovu pesmu.
koje sam napisao za ovu pesmu.
04:45
I'm going to ask that you concentrate
just on the musicality of the rhymes.
just on the musicality of the rhymes.
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Zato ću da vas zamolim
da se skoncentrišete samo na muziku rima.
04:50
For those of you with headphones on --
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I vi što imate slušalice,
vidim da neki od vas
slušaju simultani prevod,
slušaju simultani prevod,
04:52
I see that some of you are listening
to the translation --
to the translation --
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04:57
please take them off for a minute.
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skinite ih za kratko.
04:59
(English) Take your headphones off,
it you have them.
it you have them.
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(Engeski) Skinite slušalice, ako ih imate.
05:03
(English) Forget about the meaning
of the words for a few seconds,
of the words for a few seconds,
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(Engleski) Zaboravite nakratko
na značenje reči
na značenje reči
05:09
(English) and then you'll put them back.
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(Engleski) i kasnije ih ponovo stavite.
(Španski) Zaboravite
na strukturu i na sve.
na strukturu i na sve.
05:11
(English) Forget about the structure.
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05:13
(Spanish) Forget about the structure.
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(Engleski) Radi se
o koreografiji zvuka decime.
o koreografiji zvuka decime.
05:15
(English) And just ... it's all about
the choreography of sound of the Décima.
the choreography of sound of the Décima.
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05:20
(Spanish) A choreography of sound.
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Koreografija zvuka. Posmatrajte to tako.
05:24
(Sings in Spanish) "There is not one death
that does not cause me pain,
that does not cause me pain,
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(Peva) "Svaka smrt zaboli mene
pobedničke strane nema.
pobedničke strane nema.
Osim bola ničeg nema
i života koji vene.
i života koji vene.
05:28
there are no winners,
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05:29
here’s nothing but suffering
and another life blown away.
and another life blown away.
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05:32
War is a terrible school
no matter what the disguise,
no matter what the disguise,
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Rđave sve su škole ratne
ma kakvu krinku da stave,
ma kakvu krinku da stave,
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forgive me for not enlisting
under any flag,
under any flag,
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ispod nijedne zastave,
žalim, da stanem ne želim
žalim, da stanem ne želim
05:38
any daydream is worth more
than a sad piece of cloth."
than a sad piece of cloth."
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sve himere više cenim
od tkanine bedne kakve."
od tkanine bedne kakve."
05:46
That's a Décima.
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Ovo je decima.
05:48
(English) You can put
your headphones back on.
your headphones back on.
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(Engleski) Možete ponovo
da stavite slušalice.
da stavite slušalice.
05:50
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
05:51
(English) Thank you.
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(Engleski) Hvala.
05:52
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
05:57
I also applaud Vicente Espinel,
because here it is 426 years later,
because here it is 426 years later,
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I ja sam aplaudirao Visentu Espinelu,
jer je 426 godina ostala
identična u svim krajevima.
identična u svim krajevima.
06:00
and the Décima lives on everywhere
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06:02
in its original state.
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Napisao sam tri nalik ovoj,
upravo sam vam izveo drugu
upravo sam vam izveo drugu
06:03
I wrote three like that one;
you just heard the second.
you just heard the second.
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jer sam u prvoj primenjivao
tek stečeno znanje
tek stečeno znanje
06:06
I wrote the first one having only
recently learned how,
recently learned how,
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i, iskreno, ima neke greške u metrici,
06:08
and it has some errors in terms of meter,
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stoga ne služi kao odgovarajući primer.
06:11
so it's not presentable
in its current state.
in its current state.
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06:13
But the one I sang was good, more or less.
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Ali ova je bila, manje-više, dobra.
06:15
So: What was it about?
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Dakle, o čemu je govorila?
06:19
What was the meaning behind those lines?
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Šta je sadržaj tih decima?
06:21
I had just returned from doing
a concert in Israel,
a concert in Israel,
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Upravo sam se vratio iz Izraela
gde sam imao koncert
gde sam imao koncert
06:26
and I was very emotional over a problem
that hits really close to home,
that hits really close to home,
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i izuzetno me je dirnuo problem
koji mi je veoma, veoma blizak,
koji mi je veoma, veoma blizak,
06:29
which is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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a to je izraelsko-palestinski rat.
Objasniću vam: moj otac
je iz jevrejske porodice,
je iz jevrejske porodice,
06:32
I'll explain: my dad's family is Jewish,
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06:34
and my mom's family
are non-practicing Christians.
are non-practicing Christians.
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moja majka potiče
iz nereligiozne hrišćanske porodice.
iz nereligiozne hrišćanske porodice.
06:37
I was raised in a home
where the two traditions lived together
where the two traditions lived together
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Odrastao sam u domu
u kom su te dve tradicije
u kom su te dve tradicije
zajedno postojale više-manje harmonično.
06:41
more or less in harmony.
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06:44
It wasn't unusual to see my Jewish grandpa
dressed as Santa Claus, for example,
dressed as Santa Claus, for example,
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Nije bilo čudno videti mog jevrejskog dedu
u odelu Deda Mraza, na primer
u odelu Deda Mraza, na primer
ili mog nejevrejskog dedu
u sinagogi sa kipom,
u sinagogi sa kipom,
06:48
or to see my non-Jewish grandpa
at the synagogue wearing his kippah,
at the synagogue wearing his kippah,
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na porodičnim zabavama
06:51
at family celebrations, wearing the same
expression that I probably had
expression that I probably had
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sa istim izrazom lica koji sam imao ja
06:55
when Sabina told me --
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kad mi je Sabina rekao da -
06:56
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
06:57
that he had some Décima lines for me.
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da ima za mene neke stihove za decimu.
07:02
For someone raised
in that kind of environment,
in that kind of environment,
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Za nekoga ko je odrastao ovako,
07:05
it's especially painful to see
the difficulty the opposing parties have
the difficulty the opposing parties have
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naročito je bolno videti poteškoće
koje imaju obe strane konflikta
07:11
in putting themselves in the other
side's shoes even for a moment.
side's shoes even for a moment.
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da se stave, bar nakratko, u tuđu kožu.
Dakle, o tome sam pisao.
07:14
So that's what I wrote about.
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07:16
I already had the lyrics,
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Već sam imao reči,
imao sam oblik, to jest decimu, i sadržaj.
07:17
I had the form -- the Décima --
and the content.
and the content.
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07:21
I needed to write the music.
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Dakle, trebalo je da napišem muziku.
07:24
I'll give you some context.
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Daću vam i kontekst.
07:25
I had only recently moved from Uruguay,
where I'm from, to Spain.
where I'm from, to Spain.
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Tek sam se bio preselio
iz Urugvaja, odakle potičem, u Španiju.
07:30
And I was feeling very raw with nostalgia,
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I mučila me je sveža nostalgija, zaista,
07:33
like many of you here,
who are away from home.
who are away from home.
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kao i mnoge od vas
koji ste daleko od svojih domova.
koji ste daleko od svojih domova.
I želeo sam da moja pesma
bude izrazito urugvajska,
bude izrazito urugvajska,
07:37
And I wanted my song
to be very, very Uruguayan,
to be very, very Uruguayan,
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ali baš izrazito.
07:40
the most Uruguayan type of song
there is -- the milonga.
there is -- the milonga.
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Najurugvajskiji žanr se naziva milonga.
07:44
So now, I had been studying the Décima,
and after finding out
and after finding out
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Sada, očito, počeo sam da izučavam decimu
i, iako sam video da je svi
prisvajaju kao svoju,
svi misle da su je izmislili,
svi misle da su je izmislili,
07:49
that everyone tried to claim
the Décima as their own,
the Décima as their own,
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07:52
that it was invented in their country,
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zapitao sam se:
šta znači to kad kažemo
da je milonga urugvajska?
da je milonga urugvajska?
07:54
it made me wonder:
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07:55
What does it mean when we say
the milonga is Uruguayan?
the milonga is Uruguayan?
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Zamislite, milonga ima ritmički obrazac
07:58
The milonga has a rhythmic pattern
that we musicians call 3-3-2.
that we musicians call 3-3-2.
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koji mi muzičari nazvamo 3-3-2.
08:04
(Counts out the beats) One two three,
one two three, one two.
one two three, one two.
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(Taktira) Jedan-dva-tri,
jedan-dva-tri, jedan-dva.
jedan-dva-tri, jedan-dva.
08:11
And it has a characteristic emphasis.
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Ima karakteristično naglašavanje.
08:14
(Sings)
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(Peva)
08:22
But this characteristic rhythm pattern
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Ali ovaj karakteristični ritmički obrazac
08:25
comes from Africa.
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potiče iz Afrike.
08:27
In the ninth century you could find it
in the brothels of Persia,
in the brothels of Persia,
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U IX veku ste ga mogli sresti
u persijskim bordelima,
u persijskim bordelima,
a u XIII
08:30
and in the thirteenth,
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08:33
in Spain, from where,
five centuries later,
five centuries later,
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u Španiji, odakle je pet vekova kasnije
08:36
it would cross over to America
with the African slaves.
with the African slaves.
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stigao u Ameriku sa afričkim robovima.
08:39
Meanwhile, in the Balkans,
it encounters the Roma scale --
it encounters the Roma scale --
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Dok se na Balkanu
susreo sa ciganskom lestvicom -
susreo sa ciganskom lestvicom -
08:44
(Sings)
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(Peva)
08:51
which in part, gives birth
to klezmer music,
to klezmer music,
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a to je delom izrodilo klezmersku muziku,
08:55
which Ukrainian Jewish immigrants
bring to Brooklyn, New York.
bring to Brooklyn, New York.
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koju su ukrajinski jevrejski imigranti
doneli u Bruklin, Njujork.
08:59
They sing it in their banquet halls.
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Pevali su je u salama za zabave.
09:02
(Sings "Hava Nagila")
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(Peva "Hava Nagila")
09:09
And their neighbor,
an Argentine kid of Italian origin
an Argentine kid of Italian origin
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A njihov komšija, klinac iz Argentine,
italijanskog porekla,
italijanskog porekla,
09:12
named Astor Piazzolla,
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po imenu Astor Pjacola,
09:14
hears it,
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čuo je to,
09:16
assimilates it
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primenio
09:18
and transforms the tango
of the second half of the 20th century
of the second half of the 20th century
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i preoblikovao tango
iz druge polovine XX veka svojim...
iz druge polovine XX veka svojim...
09:21
with his ...
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(Taktira) Jedan-dva-tri,
jedan-dva-tri, jedan-dva.
jedan-dva-tri, jedan-dva.
09:22
(Counts out the beats) One two three,
one two three, one two.
one two three, one two.
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09:26
(Sings "Adios Nonino")
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(Peva "Adios Nonino")
09:34
He also played it on his bandoneon,
a 19th-century German instrument
a 19th-century German instrument
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Takođe je to svirao na svom bandoneonu,
nemačkom instrumentu iz XIX veka
nemačkom instrumentu iz XIX veka
09:38
created for churches
that weren't allowed to buy organs,
that weren't allowed to buy organs,
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koji je napravljen za crkve
koje nisu mogle da priušte orgulje
koje nisu mogle da priušte orgulje
09:42
and that ends up, incredibly,
in Río de la Plata,
in Río de la Plata,
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i koji je, neverovatno, završio
u Rio de la Plati
u Rio de la Plati
09:45
forming the very essence
of the tango and the milonga,
of the tango and the milonga,
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postavši od suštinskog značaja
za tango i milongu,
za tango i milongu,
09:49
in the very same way another instrument
just as important as the bandoneon did:
just as important as the bandoneon did:
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isto kao drugi instrument,
podjednako važan kao bandeon,
podjednako važan kao bandeon,
09:54
the Spanish guitar.
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španska gitara.
09:56
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
10:08
To which, by the way,
Vicente Espinel, in the 16th century,
Vicente Espinel, in the 16th century,
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Kojoj je, zapravo,
Visente Espinel u XVI veku
Visente Espinel u XVI veku
dodao šestu žicu.
10:11
added a sixth string.
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10:12
It's amazing how all these things
are coming full circle.
are coming full circle.
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Zamislite koliko je krugova zatvoreno.
10:15
What have I learned in these 15 years
since the song was born
since the song was born
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Šta sam naučio u ovih 15 godina
otkad se rodila pesma,
otkad se rodila pesma,
10:18
from going all over the world
with four lines written on a coaster
with four lines written on a coaster
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prelazeći čitav svet s ova četiri stiha
koje sam zapisao na podmetačima
koje sam zapisao na podmetačima
10:21
from a bar in Madrid?
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u jednom baru u Madridu?
10:24
That Décimas,
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Decime,
10:26
the milonga,
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milonga,
10:27
songs, people --
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pesme, ljudi:
10:30
the closer you get to them,
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što ih podrobnije poznajete,
10:32
the more complex their identity becomes,
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to im složeniji identiteti bivaju,
10:35
and the more nuances and details appear.
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iznijansiraniji, detaljniji.
10:38
I learned that identity
is infinitely dense,
is infinitely dense,
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Shvatio sam da je identitet
beskonačno gust,
beskonačno gust,
10:41
like an infinite series of real numbers,
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poput beskonačnog niza realnih brojeva,
da čak i kad im se približite
10:44
and that even if you get very close
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i zumirate,
10:46
and zoom in,
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nikad se ne okončavaju.
10:47
it never ends.
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10:50
Before I sing you a song and say goodbye,
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Dozvolite mi da pre nego što
otpevam pesmu i oprostim se
otpevam pesmu i oprostim se
10:55
allow me to tell you one last story.
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da vam ispričam poslednju anegdotu.
10:57
Not long ago, we were in Mexico
after a concert.
after a concert.
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Nedavno smo bili u Meksiku
i nakon jednog od koncerata,
i nakon jednog od koncerata,
11:02
And since the concert promoters know me,
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kako me promoteri koncerta poznaju,
11:05
they knew I was a Décima freak
and that everywhere I go I ask about it,
and that everywhere I go I ask about it,
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znaju da sam lud za decimama
i da se svuda kuda idem
raspitujem za njih,
raspitujem za njih,
11:09
insisting on hearing Décima artists.
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insistiram da čujem autore decima,
11:10
So they organized a son jarocho show
for me at their house.
for me at their house.
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pa su organizovali u svom domu
koncert u stilu son haroča.
koncert u stilu son haroča.
Ako se sećate, son haročo
je vid pesničkog oblika
je vid pesničkog oblika
11:16
If you recall, the son jarocho
is one of the styles of music
is one of the styles of music
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11:20
that uses Décimas in its verses.
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koji koristi decimu u svojim strofama.
11:24
When these amazing musicians
finished playing
finished playing
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Kada su sjajni muzičari
prestali da sviraju -
prestali da sviraju -
11:28
what is for me, something amazing,
which is the son jarocho,
which is the son jarocho,
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meni je son haročo nešto predivno -
završili su svirku i ja sam bio...
11:31
they finished playing and were ...
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Krenuo sam da ih pozdravim, dirnut,
11:32
I went up to greet them, really excited,
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11:35
getting ready to thank them
for their gift of music,
for their gift of music,
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hteo sam da se zahvalim
muzičarima na poklonu,
muzičarima na poklonu,
11:39
and this young kid says to me --
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i jedan veoma mlad dečko mi je rekao -
11:43
and he says it with the best
of intentions -- he says,
of intentions -- he says,
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i rekao mi je to
s najboljom namerom - rekao je:
s najboljom namerom - rekao je:
11:46
"We're very proud, sir, to be keeping
alive the purest origins
alive the purest origins
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"Mi smo, gospodine, veoma ponosni
jer održavamo u životu najčistije poreklo
11:53
of our Mexican identity."
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našeg meksičkog identiteta."
11:56
And to tell you the truth,
I didn't really know what to say.
I didn't really know what to say.
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I, iskreno, nisam znao šta da kažem.
11:59
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
12:00
I stood there looking at him.
I gave him a hug and left, but ...
I gave him a hug and left, but ...
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Stajao sam, posmatrajući ga,
zagrlio ga i otišao, ali...
zagrlio ga i otišao, ali...
(Smeh)
12:03
(Laughter)
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12:04
But he was right, too, though. Right?
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Jer bio je u pravu, zar ne?
12:06
In reality, the Décima is its origin,
but at the same time,
but at the same time,
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U stvarnosti, decima potiče odatle,
ali istovremeno,
ali istovremeno,
isto kao što unutar milonge
i unutar decime
i unutar decime
12:09
just like in the milonga
and in the Décima,
and in the Décima,
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12:12
are the roots of many more cultures
from all over the place, like he said.
from all over the place, like he said.
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nalazimo korenje mnogih kultura
iz raznih krajeva, kao što mi je rekao.
iz raznih krajeva, kao što mi je rekao.
12:18
Later, when I got back to the hotel,
I thought about it for a while.
I thought about it for a while.
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Kasnije, kad sam stigao u hotel,
razmišljao sam,
razmišljao sam,
12:21
And I thought:
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i rekao:
12:22
things only look pure
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stvari su jedino čiste,
ako ih posmatrate iz daleka.
ako ih posmatrate iz daleka.
12:27
if you look at them from far away.
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12:30
It's very important
to know about our roots,
to know about our roots,
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Veoma je važno poznavati naše poreklo,
12:33
to know where we come from,
to understand our history.
to understand our history.
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znati odakle potičemo,
poznavati našu istoriju,
poznavati našu istoriju,
ali istovremeno je podjednako važno,
kao i znati odakle potičemo,
kao i znati odakle potičemo,
12:37
But at the same time, as important
as knowing where we're from,
as knowing where we're from,
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12:40
is understanding that deep down,
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razumeti da svi, u suštini,
12:44
we're all from nowhere
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potičemo niotkuda
12:46
and a little bit from everywhere.
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i pomalo odsvuda.
12:47
Thank you very much.
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Mnogo vam hvala.
12:48
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
12:58
This is "The milonga of the Jewish Moor."
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Ovo je "Milonga mavarskog Jevrejina".
13:02
(Music)
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(Muzika)
13:14
(Sings)
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(Pevanje)
13:16
For every wall a lament
in Jerusalem the golden
in Jerusalem the golden
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Za svaki zid tugovanka
u zlatnom Jerusalimu
u zlatnom Jerusalimu
13:24
and 100 wasted lives
for every commandment.
for every commandment.
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i sto bića što nestanu
zbog te zapovesti svake.
zbog te zapovesti svake.
13:31
I am dust in your wind
and although I bleed through your wound,
and although I bleed through your wound,
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Tvog sam vetra vlati tanke,
mada krv sam ti iz rane,
mada krv sam ti iz rane,
13:39
and every beloved stone
has my deepest affection,
has my deepest affection,
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a svaka ljubljena stena
moju duboku ljubav ima,
moju duboku ljubav ima,
13:45
there is not a stone in the world
worth more than a human life.
worth more than a human life.
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kamena na svetu nema
da vrednost bića u nj stane.
da vrednost bića u nj stane.
13:54
I am a Jewish Moor
who lives among Christians
who lives among Christians
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Ja mavarski Jevrejin sam
što međ' hrišćanima živi
što međ' hrišćanima živi
14:01
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are.
nor who my brothers are.
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koji bog je, pak, moj ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi
niti ko mi je brat pravi
14:10
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are.
nor who my brothers are.
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koji bog je, pak, moj ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi.
niti ko mi je brat pravi.
14:19
There is not one death that does not
cause me pain, there are no winners
cause me pain, there are no winners
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Svaka smrt zaboli mene,
pobedničke strane nema.
pobedničke strane nema.
14:27
there's nothing but suffering
and another life blown away.
and another life blown away.
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Osim bola ničeg nema
i života da uvene.
i života da uvene.
14:34
War is a terrible school
no matter what the disguise,
no matter what the disguise,
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Rđave sve su škole ratne,
ma kakvu krinku da stave,
ma kakvu krinku da stave,
14:41
forgive me for not enlisting
under any flag,
under any flag,
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ispod nijedne zastave,
žalim, da stanem ne želim,
žalim, da stanem ne želim,
14:48
any daydream is worth more
than a sad piece of cloth.
than a sad piece of cloth.
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sve himere više cenim
od tkanine bedne kakve.
od tkanine bedne kakve.
14:57
I am a Jewish Moor
who lives among Christians
who lives among Christians
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Ja mavarski Jevrejin sam
što međ' hrišćanima živi
što međ' hrišćanima živi
15:04
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are.
nor who my brothers are.
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koji bog je, pak, moj ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi
niti ko mi je brat pravi
15:12
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are.
nor who my brothers are.
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koji bog je, pak, moj ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi.
niti ko mi je brat pravi.
15:25
And nobody has my permission
to for killing in my name,
to for killing in my name,
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I ne odobrih nikom to
da ubija u ime moje,
da ubija u ime moje,
15:33
a man is but a man
and if there is a God, this was his wish,
and if there is a God, this was his wish,
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čovek ništa do čovek nije,
boga da ima, hteo bi isto.
boga da ima, hteo bi isto.
15:40
the very ground I tread
will live on, once I am gone
will live on, once I am gone
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Tlo koje noga gazi to,
nakon mene tu će biti;
nakon mene tu će biti;
15:47
on my way to oblivion, and all doctrines
will suffer the same fate,
will suffer the same fate,
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dok hitam ka prolaznosti,
neprolaznih doktrina nema;
neprolaznih doktrina nema;
15:54
and there is not one nation
that has not proclaimed itself
that has not proclaimed itself
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a svako je pleme ubeđeno
da je pleme odabrano.
da je pleme odabrano.
15:59
the chosen people.
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16:03
I am a Jewish Moor
who lives among Christians
who lives among Christians
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Ja mavarski Jevrejin sam
što međ' hrišćanima živi
što međ' hrišćanima živi
16:10
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are.
nor who my brothers are.
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koji bog je, pak, moj ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi
niti ko mi je brat pravi
16:19
I don't know who my God is,
nor who my brothers are.
nor who my brothers are.
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koji bog je, pak, moj ne znam,
niti ko mi je brat pravi.
niti ko mi je brat pravi.
16:24
I am a Jewish Moor
who lives among Christians
who lives among Christians
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Ja mavarski Jevrejin sam
što međ' hrišćanima živi.
što međ' hrišćanima živi.
16:32
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
16:33
Thank you.
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Hvala.
16:34
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jorge Drexler - Musician, poetJorge Drexler is a musician and the first Uruguayan to win an Oscar. His music plays with genre and influence, combining subtle harmonies and regional styles with electronic effects.
Why you should listen
Jorge Drexler doesn't lay claim to one identity over another. Born to a German-Jewish exile father and a Uruguayan mother, Drexler grew up in Uruguay, traveled widely across Latin America and eventually settled in Spain. Within his music, you can hear touches of milonga and bossa nova and even Bach, as his lyrics wrangle with notions of nationality and belonging, language, identity and love.
Like both of his parents, Drexler started his career as a physician, but at the age of 30, he decided to pursue music full-time. The release of his fifth album, Frontera, caught the attention of Brazilian director Walter Salles, who tapped him to write the closing song for the 2004 film Motorcycle Diaries. Titled "Al Otro Lado del Río" (The Other Side of the River), the song won Drexler an Academy Award for Best Original Song and propelled him into the international spotlight.
Over the course of his 25-year career, Jorge Drexler has produced 12 albums, received 15 Latin Grammy nomination (with two wins in 2014 Record of the Year and Best Singer-Songwriter Album), four US Grammy nominations, 5 ASCAP Latin Awards, and one Academy Award. He has also collaborated with musicians from Shakira to Mercedes Sosa to Neneh Cherry and Jovanotti.
Jorge Drexler | Speaker | TED.com