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Jackson Bird: How to talk (and listen) to transgender people
Džekson Berd (Jackson Bird): Kako razgovarati sa transrodnim osobama (i slušati ih)
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Pol bi trebalo da bude najobičnija ljudska osobina, pa ipak transrodne osobe često nailaze na nerazumevanje. Kako bi pomogao onima koji se plaše da postave pitanja ili kažu nešto pogrešno, Džekson Berd nudi nekoliko načina za razmišljanje o problemima transrodnosti. U ovom zabavnom i iskrenom govoru, on će razjasniti nekoliko zabluda o zamenicama, promeni pola, toaletima i drugom.
Jackson Bird - Digital storyteller, activist
TED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience. Full bio
TED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience. Full bio
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Hi, I'm Jack,
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Zdravo, ja sam Džek
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and I'm transgender.
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i transrodna sam osoba.
00:17
Let me take a guess at some of thoughts
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Mogu da pretpostavim
šta vam trenutno prolazi kroz glavu.
00:19
that might be running
through your head right now.
through your head right now.
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Transrodna?
00:21
"Transgender?
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„Čekaj, je l' to znači
da je u stvari žensko ili muško?“
da je u stvari žensko ili muško?“
00:22
Wait, does that mean that they're
actually a man or actually a woman?"
actually a man or actually a woman?"
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00:25
"I wonder if he's had the surgery yet ...
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„Da li je već obavio operaciju...
00:28
Oh, now I'm looking at his crotch.
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O ne, sad mu gledam u međunožje.
00:30
Look to the right,
that's a safe place to look."
that's a safe place to look."
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Gledaj u stranu, to je najsigurnije.“
„To, znao sam! Pravi muškarci
nemaju takve kukove.“
nemaju takve kukove.“
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"Yes, I knew it!
No real man has hips like those."
No real man has hips like those."
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00:35
"My friend's daughter is transgender --
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„Ćerka mog prijatelja je transrodna -
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I wonder if they know each other."
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pitam se da li se poznaju.“
00:39
"Oh my gosh, he is so brave.
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„Bože, kako je samo hrabar.
00:41
I would totally support his right
to use the men's bathroom.
to use the men's bathroom.
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Totalno ga podržavam
u tome da koristi muški wc.
u tome da koristi muški wc.
00:44
Wait, but how does he use the bathroom?
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Čekaj, kako on koristi wc?
Kako ima seksualne odnose?“
00:46
How does he have sex?"
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00:48
OK, OK, let's stop
those hypothetical questions
those hypothetical questions
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Okej, prestanimo
s ovim hipotetičkim pitanjima
s ovim hipotetičkim pitanjima
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before we get too close for my comfort.
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pre nego što preteramo.
Nemojte pogrešno da me shvatite,
00:52
I mean, don't get me wrong,
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00:54
I did come here today to share
my personal experiences being transgender,
my personal experiences being transgender,
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jesam danas ovde da podelim
svoje iskustvo o transrodnosti,
svoje iskustvo o transrodnosti,
00:57
but I did not wake up this morning
wanting to tell an entire audience
wanting to tell an entire audience
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ali nisam se jutros probudio
želeći da publici pričam
želeći da publici pričam
01:01
about my sex life.
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o svom seksualnom životu.
01:03
Of course, that's the problem
with being trans, right?
with being trans, right?
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Naravno, to je problem
s trans osobama, zar ne?
s trans osobama, zar ne?
01:06
People are pretty much always
wondering how we have sex
wondering how we have sex
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Ljudi se uglavnom pitaju
kako upražnjavamo seks
kako upražnjavamo seks
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and what kind of equipment
we're working with below the belt.
we're working with below the belt.
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i koju opremu koristimo dole ispod pojasa.
01:12
Being trans is awkward.
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Biti transrodan je neprijatno.
01:15
And not just because the gender
I was assigned at birth
I was assigned at birth
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I ne samo jer se pol sa kojim sam rođen
ne poklapa sa onim što zaista jesam.
01:17
mismatches the one I really am.
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01:19
Being trans is awkward
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Biti transrodan je neprijatno
01:20
because everyone else gets awkward
when they're around me.
when they're around me.
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jer svima postane neprijatno
kada su u mojoj blizini.
kada su u mojoj blizini.
01:24
People who support me and all other
trans people wholeheartedly
trans people wholeheartedly
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Oni koji iskreno podržavaju
mene i ostale trans osobe
mene i ostale trans osobe
01:28
are often so scared to say to wrong thing,
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često strahuju da ne kažu nešto pogrešno,
01:30
so embarrassed to not know
what they think they should,
what they think they should,
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stide se jer ne znaju
ono što misle da bi trebalo
ono što misle da bi trebalo
01:33
that they never ask.
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toliko da nikad ne pitaju.
01:35
Part of what was so nerve-racking
about coming out as transgender
about coming out as transgender
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Jedna od stvari koja izluđuje
kada se izjašnjavate kao transrodni
kada se izjašnjavate kao transrodni
01:38
was knowing that people
wouldn't know what I meant.
wouldn't know what I meant.
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je to što znate da ljudi
ne znaju šta to znači.
ne znaju šta to znači.
01:42
And when someone comes out as gay,
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Kad se neko izjasni kao gej,
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people know what that means,
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ljudi znaju šta to znači,
ali kad se izjasnite kao transrodni,
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but when you come out as trans,
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you have to face the misconceptions
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morate da se suočite sa zabludama
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that will color other people's
impressions of you
impressions of you
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koje će uticati na to kako vas drugi vide,
01:51
even after you've educated them ...
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čak i nakon što im objasnite...
01:53
And you will have to educate them.
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A moraćete da im objašnjavate.
01:55
When I came out,
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Kad sam se ja razotkrio,
01:56
I wrote at 10-page encyclopedic document
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napisao sam rad na 10 strana
01:58
with a zip-file attachment
of music and videos
of music and videos
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sa prikačenim zip fajlom
sa muzikom i videima
sa muzikom i videima
02:01
that I sent to every
single person I came out to.
single person I came out to.
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koje sam poslao svakome
kome sam se razotkrio.
kome sam se razotkrio.
02:03
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
02:04
And I kept it in my email signature
for months afterwards,
for months afterwards,
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I čuvao ga u potpisu imejla
mesecima nakon toga,
mesecima nakon toga,
02:07
because you also
don't ever stop coming out.
don't ever stop coming out.
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jer nikad ne prestajete
da se razotkrivate.
da se razotkrivate.
Ja sam se razotkrio računovođi
koji mi je radio porez
koji mi je radio porez
02:10
I came out to the accountant
helping me with my taxes
helping me with my taxes
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i putnom obezbeđenju jer nisu znali
ko treba da me opipa,
ko treba da me opipa,
02:14
and the TSA agents who didn't know
which one of them should pat me down,
which one of them should pat me down,
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muškarac ili žena.
02:17
the man or the woman.
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U stvari, upravo sam se razotkrio
svima koji ovo gledaju.
svima koji ovo gledaju.
02:19
I mean, I just came out
to everyone watching this.
to everyone watching this.
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Kada sam se razotkrio tati,
02:23
When I came out to my dad,
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na moje veliko olakšanje,
njemu je to bilo skroz u redu,
njemu je to bilo skroz u redu,
02:25
to my great relief, he was totally cool
with me being trans,
with me being trans,
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ali čim sam počeo da pričam
o fizičkim promenama,
o fizičkim promenama,
02:28
but as soon as I started talking
about physically transitioning,
about physically transitioning,
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on se uspaničio.
02:31
he freaked.
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Shvatio sam da on,
kao i mnogi drugi ljudi,
kao i mnogi drugi ljudi,
02:32
And I quickly realized it was because he,
like so many other people,
like so many other people,
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misli da fizička promena znači samo jedno:
02:36
think that physical transition
means just one thing:
means just one thing:
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operaciju.
02:39
the surgery.
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Pa, vidite,
02:41
Now, listen,
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ako bi postojala jedna magična operacija
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if there were one magical surgery
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02:44
that could turn me into a tall, muscular,
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koja bi me preko noći pretvorila
u visokog, mišićavog
i društveno prihvatljivog muškarca,
i društveno prihvatljivog muškarca,
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societally perfect image
of a man overnight,
of a man overnight,
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odmah bih se prijavio.
02:50
I'd sign up in a heartbeat.
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Nažalost, nije tako prosto.
02:52
Unfortunately, it isn't that simple.
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02:54
There are dozens of different
gender-affirming surgeries
gender-affirming surgeries
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Postoji mnogo operacija promene pola,
02:57
from chest surgeries to bottom surgeries
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od operacija grudi
i operacija donjih delova,
i operacija donjih delova,
do feminizacije lica
i maskulinizacije tela.
i maskulinizacije tela.
03:00
to facial feminization and man-sculpting.
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Mnoge trans osobe će se operisati
jednom u životu, ako se uopšte operišu.
jednom u životu, ako se uopšte operišu.
03:03
Many trans people will only ever undergo
one procedure in their lifetime, if that.
one procedure in their lifetime, if that.
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03:07
Maybe because they don't
personally feel the need
personally feel the need
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Možda jer prosto ne osećaju potrebu,
ali i zato što su operacije skupe,
03:10
but also because they're expensive,
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03:12
and health insurance
is only beginning to cover them.
is only beginning to cover them.
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a osiguranje tek počinje da ih pokriva.
Prvi korak u fizičkoj tranziciji
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Instead, the first step for a trans person
seeking physical transition
seeking physical transition
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je obično hormonska terapija.
03:19
is usually hormone replacement therapy.
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Od hormona imam dublji glas
i pokoju dlačicu na vratu,
i pokoju dlačicu na vratu,
03:22
Hormones are why I have a deeper voice
and some sparse whiskers on my neck
and some sparse whiskers on my neck
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03:26
and a giant pimple on my chin.
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kao i ogromnu bubuljicu na bradi.
U suštini, prolazim kroz drugi pubertet...
03:29
Basically, they put you
through a second puberty ...
through a second puberty ...
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sjajno se provodim.
03:32
it's a blast.
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03:33
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
Pošto su naše promene
sporije i postepenije
sporije i postepenije
03:34
Now, because our transitions
are slower and steadier
are slower and steadier
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nego što istorijske zablude
navode ljude da pretpostave,
navode ljude da pretpostave,
03:38
than historic misconceptions
can lead people to believe,
can lead people to believe,
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može doći do zabune kada osobu treba
nazivati njenim novim imenom i zamenicom.
nazivati njenim novim imenom i zamenicom.
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there can be some confusion
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about when to call someone
by their new name and pronouns.
by their new name and pronouns.
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Ne postoji konkretan momenat
u fizičkoj promeni
u fizičkoj promeni
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There's no distinct point
in physical transition
in physical transition
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kada trans osoba dobija svoj istinski pol.
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at which a trans person
becomes their true gender.
becomes their true gender.
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Čim vam kažu vaše novo ime i zamenicu,
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As soon as they tell you
their new name and pronouns,
their new name and pronouns,
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tada počnete da ih koristite.
03:53
that's when you start using them.
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Može vam biti teško da se naviknete.
03:55
It can be difficult to make the change.
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You might slip up here and there;
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Ponekad ćete i pogrešiti;
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I've slipped up myself
with other trans people.
with other trans people.
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i meni se desilo par puta
sa drugim trans osobama.
sa drugim trans osobama.
04:01
But I always think to myself,
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Ali uvek sebi kažem,
04:03
if we can change from calling
Puff Daddy to P. Diddy,
Puff Daddy to P. Diddy,
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ako možemo Paf Dedija zvati Pi Didi,
04:06
and if we apologize profusely
when we've used the wrong gender pronoun
when we've used the wrong gender pronoun
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i ako se duboko izvinjavamo
kada za nečiju mačku
koristimo pogrešnu zamenicu -
koristimo pogrešnu zamenicu -
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for someone's pet cat --
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mislim da se možemo isto toliko potruditi
i oko ljudi u svom životu.
i oko ljudi u svom životu.
04:13
I mean, I think we can make
the same effort
the same effort
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04:15
for the real humans in our lives.
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Za ljude nema neprijatnije teme
u vezi sa trans osobama
u vezi sa trans osobama
04:17
Now, there is no topic that makes other
people more awkward about trans people
people more awkward about trans people
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od javnih toaleta.
04:22
than public bathrooms.
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Eh, toaleti -
04:25
Ah, the bathrooms --
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the latest political flash point
for LGBT opponents.
for LGBT opponents.
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najnovija tačka ključanja
za protivnike LGBT zajednice.
za protivnike LGBT zajednice.
04:29
Here's a fun fact about bathrooms:
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Evo zanimljivosti o toaletima:
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more US congressmen have been convicted
of assaulting someone in a public bathroom
of assaulting someone in a public bathroom
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više je američkih kongresmena
osuđeno za napad u javnom toaletu
osuđeno za napad u javnom toaletu
nego transrodnih osoba.
04:35
than trans people have been.
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(Smeh)
04:37
(Laughter)
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U stvari, mi, trans osobe,
se više plašimo vas nego vi nas.
se više plašimo vas nego vi nas.
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The truth is we trans people are so much
more scared of you than you are of us.
more scared of you than you are of us.
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Važna je tema rasprava u trans zajednicama
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It's a huge point of discussion
in trans communities
in trans communities
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about which bathroom
to start using and when,
to start using and when,
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koji toalet koristiti i kada,
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so we don't attract attention
that could lead to violence against us.
that could lead to violence against us.
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tako da ne privučemo pažnju
koja bi mogla izazvati nasilje nad nama.
koja bi mogla izazvati nasilje nad nama.
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I personally started using the men's room
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Ja lično sam počeo
da koristim muški toalet
da koristim muški toalet
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when I started getting confused
and frightened looks in the women's room,
and frightened looks in the women's room,
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kada su u ženskom počeli
zbunjeno i uplašeno da me gledaju,
zbunjeno i uplašeno da me gledaju,
iako sam bio preplašen
odlaskom u muški toalet.
odlaskom u muški toalet.
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even though I was petrified
to start going into the men's room.
to start going into the men's room.
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Često se odlučimo
da uopšte i ne odemo u toalet.
da uopšte i ne odemo u toalet.
05:01
And often we opt to just
not go to the bathroom at all.
not go to the bathroom at all.
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05:03
A 2015 national survey of trans people
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Anketa iz 2015. godine o trans osobama
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found that eight percent of us
had had a urinary tract infection
had had a urinary tract infection
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je pokazala da je osam procenata nas
imalo urinarnu infekciju
imalo urinarnu infekciju
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in the past year
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u prethodnoj godini
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as a result of avoiding restrooms.
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jer smo izbegavali odlazak u toalet.
05:13
These bathroom bills
aren't protecting anyone.
aren't protecting anyone.
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Ovi zakoni o toaletima ne štite nikoga.
05:16
All they're doing
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Jedino postižu da,
05:17
is ensuring that when trans people
are assaulted in bathrooms,
are assaulted in bathrooms,
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kada trans osobu napadnu u toaletu,
zakon ne bude na našoj strani
kada to prijavimo.
kada to prijavimo.
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the law will no longer be on our side
when we report it.
when we report it.
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Trans osobe se svakodnevno bore
sa ovakvim zabludama.
sa ovakvim zabludama.
05:25
Being trans means a daily onslaught
of these misconceptions.
of these misconceptions.
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Meni je prilično lako.
05:31
And I have it pretty easy.
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Ja sam zdrav belac
05:33
I am a white, able-bodied guy
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05:35
sitting nearly at the peak
of privilege mountain.
of privilege mountain.
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i visoko sam na lestvici privilegovanih.
05:39
For non-binary people,
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Za rodno nebinarne osobe,
05:41
for trans women,
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za trans žene,
obojene trans osobe,
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for trans people of color,
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mnogo je teže.
05:45
it is so much harder.
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Eto, pružio sam vam osnovna znanja
o transrodnim osobama
o transrodnim osobama
05:48
So I've given you a starter pack
of trans knowledge
of trans knowledge
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koja će vas, nadam se,
podstaći da i sami učite.
podstaći da i sami učite.
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that I hope will lead
to more learning on your own.
to more learning on your own.
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Razgovarajte sa trans osobama.
05:55
Talk to trans people.
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Saslušajte nas.
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Listen to us.
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Učinite da se naš glas jače čuje.
05:59
Amplify our voices.
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Olakšajte nam i podučite ljude oko sebe
06:01
Take the heat off of us
and educate those around you
and educate those around you
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tako da ne moramo uvek mi.
06:04
so we don't have to every time.
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Možda će jednog dana, kada kažem:
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Maybe someday, when I say,
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„Zdravo, ja sam Džek
i transrodna sam osoba,“
i transrodna sam osoba,“
06:09
"Hi, I'm Jack, and I'm transgender,"
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06:12
the only response I'll get is,
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jedini odgovor biti:
„Zdravo, drago mi je.“
06:14
"Hi, nice to meet you."
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Hvala vam.
06:18
Thank you.
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(Aplauz)
06:19
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Jackson Bird - Digital storyteller, activistTED Resident Jackson Bird is using digital storytelling to demystify the transgender experience.
Why you should listen
After publicly coming out as transgender in 2015, Jackson Bird has been committed to amplifying the voices of transgender people and breaking down the stigma attached to their experiences. He shares the stories of fellow transgender people on his podcast, Transmission, as well as on his ongoing YouTube series, "Queerstory."
Bird is also known for his work with the Harry Potter Alliance (HPA), a nonprofit that activates online fan communities towards social action. A 2017 TED Resident and 2016 YouTube NextUp Creator, Bird was also a 2015 LogoTV Social Trailblazer nominee and hailed by MTV as a "Social Media Warrior Who Helped Restore Our Faith in 2016."
Jackson is currently a Craig Newmark Organizer-In-Residence at Civic Hall and runs the monthly LGBTQIA+ Creators Group at YouTube Space NY. He currently lives in New York City.
Jackson Bird | Speaker | TED.com