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Joshua Walters: On being just crazy enough
约书亚·沃尔特斯：只是疯狂十足
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在TED全频谱试演中，喜剧家约书亚·沃尔特斯，一个双向人格障碍症患者，行走于精神疾病和精神的“巧妙之处”。在这个有趣的，发人深省的演讲中，他问到：在远离疯狂的药物治疗和游走于创造力和驱动力的狂躁边缘间的恰到好处的平衡是什么？
Joshua Walters - Comedian, activist
Joshua Walters is a bipolar comedian whose work explores language, creativity, beatboxing and madness ... Full bio
Joshua Walters is a bipolar comedian whose work explores language, creativity, beatboxing and madness ... Full bio
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My name is Joshua Walters.
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我叫约书亚·沃尔特斯。
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I'm a performer.
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我是名表演者。
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(Beatboxing)
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（节奏口技）
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
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But as far as being a performer,
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但远在我成为表演者之前，
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I'm also diagnosed
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我也被诊断为
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bipolar.
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双向人格障碍症患者。
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I reframe that as a positive
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我把这病症重塑为一个积极方面，
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because the crazier I get onstage,
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因为我在台上越疯狂，
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the more entertaining I become.
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我变得更加娱乐化。
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When I was 16 in San Francisco,
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在旧金山当我16岁时，
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I had my breakthrough manic episode
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我的突破躁狂症发作
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in which I thought I was Jesus Christ.
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那时我想我是耶稣基督。
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Maybe you thought that was scary,
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或许你想到那是很可怕，
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but actually there's no amount of drugs you can take
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但实际上你不用吃任何药丸
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that can get you as high
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你就可以爽得赛似神仙
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as if you think you're Jesus Christ.
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好似你想到你就是耶稣基督。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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I was sent to a place,
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我被送到一个地方，
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a psych ward,
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精神病院，
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and in the psych ward,
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在精神病院，
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everyone is doing their own one-man show.
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每个人都在演着他们自己的独角戏。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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There's no audience like this
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没有像这样的观众
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to justify their rehearsal time.
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来证明他们的排练效果。
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They're just practicing.
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他们只是自己排练。
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One day they'll get here.
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假若有一天他们会站在这儿。
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Now when I got out,
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当我出来时，
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I was diagnosed
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我被诊断治疗
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and I was given medications
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我从精神病专家那儿
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by a psychiatrist.
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得到一些药物。
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"Okay, Josh, why don't we give you some --
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“好吧，乔什，我们为什么不给你开些--
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why don't we give you some Zyprexa.
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我们为什么不给你开些再普乐（抗精神病药）。
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Okay? Mmhmm?
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好吧？嗯？
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At least that's what it says on my pen."
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至少这就是我的笔要说的话。”
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Some of you are in the field, I can see.
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现场中的你们一些人懂得，我可以理解。
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I can feel your noise.
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我可以感受到你们的噪音和认同。
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The first half of high school
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高中的第一半学期
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was the struggle of the manic episode,
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是躁狂发作的艰难时期，
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and the second half
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下半学期
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was the overmedications of these drugs,
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是这些药物的过度滥用，
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where I was sleeping through high school.
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导致在高中时，我就在睡觉。
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The second half was just one big nap, pretty much, in class.
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下半学期只是一个大午睡，在课堂上非常过瘾。
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When I got out
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当我经历之后
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I had a choice.
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我有了一个选择。
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I could either deny
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我本可以拒绝
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my mental illness
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我的精神疾病
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or embrace
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或者拥抱
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my mental skillness.
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我精神上的巧妙之处。
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(Bugle sound)
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（喇叭声）
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There's a movement going on right now
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目前在进行着个运动
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to reframe mental illness as a positive --
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要重塑精神疾病作为一个积极面--
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at least the hypomanic edge part of it.
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至少在它的轻度躁狂的边缘方面。
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Now if you don't know what hypomania is,
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现在如果你不知道什么是轻度躁狂，
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it's like an engine that's out of control,
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它好似一个不受控制的引擎，
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maybe a Ferrari engine, with no breaks.
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或许是一个法拉利引擎，没有刹车。
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Many of the speakers here, many of you in the audience,
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这儿的许多演讲者，观众中的许多人
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have that creative edge,
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身处过这种创造性的边缘，
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if you know what I'm talking about.
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那么你会知道我所讲的是什么。
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You're driven to do something
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你被驱动着做些事
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that everyone has told you is impossible.
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每一个人都曾告诉你这事是不可能的。
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And there's a book -- John Gartner.
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有本书--约翰·加特纳著的。
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John Gartner wrote this book called "The Hypomanic Edge"
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约翰·加特纳写过这本名叫“轻度躁狂边缘”的书
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in which Christopher Columbus and Ted Turner and Steve Jobs
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在书里克里斯托夫·哥伦布，特德·特纳和史蒂夫·乔布斯
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and all these business minds
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和所有这些商业头脑
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have this edge to compete.
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都有这种边缘的竞争优势。
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A different book was written not too long ago
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不久前
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in the mid-90s
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在90年代中期凯·雷德菲尔德·贾米森著有另一本书
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called "Touched With Fire" by Kay Redfield Jamison
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名叫“与激情之火的碰撞”
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in which it was looked at in a creative sense
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在书中双向人格障碍症被看做是具有创造性意义
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in which Mozart and Beethoven and Van Gogh
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例如莫扎特，贝多芬和梵高
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all have this manic depression that they were suffering with.
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他们都承受着这躁狂抑郁症的痛苦。
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Some of them committed suicide.
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他们中一些人自杀了。
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So it wasn't all
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所以这不是
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the good side of the illness.
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这一疾病所有好的一面。
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Now recently,
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最近，
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there's been development in this field.
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这领域有了发展。
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And there was an article written in the New York Times,
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在2010年九月份的纽约时报上
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September 2010,
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写有一篇文章，
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that stated:
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它表明：
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"Just Manic Enough."
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“只是狂躁十足。”
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Just be manic enough
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只是要狂躁十足
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in which investors who are looking for entrepreneurs
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投资者就是在找寻这样的企业家
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that have this kind of spectrum --
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他们有这种人格双向频谱--
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you know what I'm talking about --
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大家晓得我所讲的--
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not maybe full bipolar,
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也许不是完全的双向障碍症，
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but they're in the bipolar spectrum --
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但他们可以感知双向人格频谱--
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where on one side,
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在一边，
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maybe you think you're Jesus,
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或许你认为你是耶稣，
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and on the other side
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而在另一边
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maybe they just make you a lot of money.
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或许双向人格会使你变得很富有。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Your call. Your call.
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你的命运召唤。你的召唤。
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And everyone's somewhere in the middle.
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每个人都身处其中。
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Everyone's somewhere in the middle.
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每个人都身处其中。
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So maybe, you know,
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所以或许，大家晓得，
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there's no such thing
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没有
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as crazy,
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被归为疯狂的这回事，
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and being diagnosed with a mental illness
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被诊断患有精神疾病
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doesn't mean you're crazy.
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不意味着你就是疯狂。
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But maybe it just means
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但或许它只是意味着
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you're more sensitive
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你
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to what most people can't see
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对于大多数人所看不到
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or feel.
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或所感知到的东西反而更加敏感。
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Maybe no one's really crazy.
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或许没有人是真正的疯狂。
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Everyone is just a little bit mad.
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每个人只是有点狂。
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How much
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多大程度上
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depends on where you fall in the spectrum.
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这取决于你深陷这人格频谱的程度。
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How much
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也多少
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depends on how lucky you are.
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取决于你有多幸运。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
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(Applause)
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（掌声）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Joshua Walters - Comedian, activistJoshua Walters is a bipolar comedian whose work explores language, creativity, beatboxing and madness ...
Why you should listen
Joshua Walters is a comedian, poet, educator and performer. He incorporates elements of spoken word and beatbox into his shows in a mash-up of comedy, intimate reflection and unpredictable antics. In the last two years, Walters has performed at theaters and universities throughout North America, Europe and the Middle East.
His eclectic combination of performance disciplines and activity as an educator in mental health has given Walters a national platform and audience. In 2002, Walters co-founded the DBSA (Depression Bipolar Support Alliance) Young Adults Chapter in San Francisco, one of the few support groups specifically for mentally ill young adults in the country. As a facilitator, Walters developed humor to address the subject of mental illness, reframing it as a positive. Walters speaks as a mental health educator and has engaged in mental health advocacy at conventions and in classrooms nationwide.
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