TEDWomen 2017
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa: Black life at the intersection of birth and death
曼达·卡提哇: 生死边缘的黑人生活
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“揭露人们想用时间和自满掩盖的真相，是艺术家的职责。”身为诗人和自由战士的曼达·卡提哇如是说。演讲自己的诗作“为母之乐”的同时，卡提哇挖掘了美国黑人母亲的生活经历，并且讨论了黑人运动的影响。因为，她认为这两者是不能分割开的。
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa - Writer, youth worker, freedom fighter
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa is a storyteller, a truth-teller, a builder and breaker trying to figure out what it means to be human in a world that removes so much of our humanity in order to survive. Full bio
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa is a storyteller, a truth-teller, a builder and breaker trying to figure out what it means to be human in a world that removes so much of our humanity in order to survive. Full bio
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My name is Mwende Katwiwa
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我叫曼达·卡提哇，
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and I am a poet,
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我是一个诗人，
一个泛非主义者，
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a Pan-Africanist
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也是一名自由卫士。
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and a freedom fighter.
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I was 23 years old
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我23岁时，
第一次听说生育公平。
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when I first heard
about Reproductive Justice.
about Reproductive Justice.
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I was working at Women with a Vision,
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我当时在《卓识女性》工作，
在那里，我了解到
“姐妹之歌”这样定义生育公平：
“姐妹之歌”这样定义生育公平：
00:27
where I learned that Reproductive Justice
was defined by Sister Song as:
was defined by Sister Song as:
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首先，女性有权决定是否与何时生育，
00:31
One: A woman's right to decide
if and when she will have a baby
if and when she will have a baby
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也有权决定具体的生育条件。
00:36
and the conditions
under which she will give birth.
under which she will give birth.
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第二，女性有权选择不生育，
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Two: A woman's right
to decide if she will not have a baby
to decide if she will not have a baby
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有权避孕或终止妊娠。
00:42
and her options for preventing
or ending a pregnancy.
or ending a pregnancy.
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第三，妇女有权
00:45
And three: A woman's right
to parent the children she already has
to parent the children she already has
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在安全健康的环境下抚养孩子，
00:49
in safe and healthy environments
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不用担心
00:51
without fear of violence
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来自个人或者政府的暴力事件。
00:53
from individuals or the government.
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00:56
I've always wanted to be a mother.
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我一直想成为一位母亲。
00:59
Growing up, I heard
all about the joys of motherhood.
all about the joys of motherhood.
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从小到大，
我听说过几乎所有为母的快乐。
我听说过几乎所有为母的快乐。
我那时一直梦想，
用自己的子宫孕育奇迹，带到这个世界上。
用自己的子宫孕育奇迹，带到这个世界上。
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I used to dream of watching my womb
weave wonder into this world.
weave wonder into this world.
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See, I knew I was young.
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我知道我那时还很年轻。
但我觉得，
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But I figured,
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01:10
it couldn't hurt to start planning
for something so big, so early.
for something so big, so early.
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生育这么重大的事，
再早规划也不早。
再早规划也不早。
01:15
But now,
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但如今，
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I'm 26 years old.
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我26岁了。
01:19
And I don't know if I have what it takes
to stomach motherhood in this country.
to stomach motherhood in this country.
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我不确定在这个国家，
我是否享有的孕育孩子的权利。
我是否享有的孕育孩子的权利。
01:23
See, over the years, America
has taught me more about parenting
has taught me more about parenting
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这些年，在养育孩子这方面，
美国教给我的
远比相关书籍要多得多。
远比相关书籍要多得多。
01:26
than any book on the subject.
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它让我知道女性如何分娩，
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It has taught me how some women
give birth to babies
give birth to babies
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产下他人眼中的嫌犯。
01:31
and others to suspects.
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它让我知道黑人
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It has taught me
that this body will birth kin
that this body will birth kin
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被关进监狱的概率
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who are more likely
to be held in prison cells
to be held in prison cells
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高于获得大学学位。
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than to hold college degrees.
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01:40
There is something
about being Black in America
about being Black in America
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黑人在美国
多少让“成为母亲”
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that has made motherhood seem
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complicated.
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变得有点复杂。
01:49
Seem like,
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就好像，
我不知道如何让我的孩子正直成长，
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I don't know what to do
to raise my kids right
to raise my kids right
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不知道如何让他们好好活着。
01:52
and keep them alive.
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我教导我的儿子不要偷窃，
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Do I tell my son not to steal
because it is wrong,
because it is wrong,
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因为这件事是错误的，
还是因为这可能会陷他于死地？
还是因为这可能会陷他于死地？
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or because they will use it
to justify his death?
to justify his death?
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01:59
Do I tell him
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我告诉他
即使你花了钱买彩虹糖和甜茶，
02:01
that even if he pays
for his Skittles and sweet tea
for his Skittles and sweet tea
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还是有人会监视着你，
02:03
there will still be those
who will watch him
who will watch him
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像看一个偷窃犯而不是一个小孩；
02:05
and see a criminal before child;
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他们会报警，
但又会在警察来之前离开。
但又会在警察来之前离开。
02:08
who will call the police
and not wait for them to come.
and not wait for them to come.
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我希望警察来吗？
02:11
Do I even want the police to come?
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打911之前，
我的脑袋会蹦出无数个肖恩·贝尔。
我的脑袋会蹦出无数个肖恩·贝尔。
02:13
Too many Sean Bells go off in my head
when I consider calling 911.
when I consider calling 911.
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他们可能会像杀了奥斯卡·格兰特那样
杀了我的儿子，
杀了我的儿子，
02:17
I will not take it for Oscar Grant-ed
that they will not come and kill my son.
that they will not come and kill my son.
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02:21
So, we may have gotten rid
of the nooses,
of the nooses,
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所以，尽管我们已经废除绞刑，
但当他们谋杀黑人男孩时，
我仍觉得那是一种私刑，
我仍觉得那是一种私刑，
02:24
but I still consider it lynching
when they murder Black boys
when they murder Black boys
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私刑后，再把他们的尸体
放在太阳下暴晒四个小时。
放在太阳下暴晒四个小时。
02:27
and leave their bodies
for four hours in the sun.
for four hours in the sun.
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02:30
As a historical reminder
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以儆效尤，
因为一些事情，
美国的黑人
美国的黑人
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that there is something
about being Black in America
about being Black in America
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使成为母亲这件事
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that has made motherhood sound
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听起来十分悲惨。
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like mourning.
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02:39
Sound like one morning I could wake up
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就像是某天早晨我醒来，
看到上周的悲剧重演在我儿子身上。
02:41
and see my son as a repeat
of last week's story.
of last week's story.
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听起来就好像我醒过来发现，
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Sound like I could wake up and realize
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我女儿的死甚至都不值得上新闻。
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the death of my daughter
wouldn't even be newsworthy.
wouldn't even be newsworthy.
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你总不能告诉我
只有桑德拉·布兰德这位黑人女性
只有桑德拉·布兰德这位黑人女性
02:49
So you can't tell me that Sandra Bland
is the only Black woman
is the only Black woman
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所经历的暴行才值得我们站起来。
02:52
whose violence deserves
more than our silence.
more than our silence.
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那其他正在受难的黑人女同胞呢？
02:55
What about our other
dark-skinned daughters in distress
dark-skinned daughters in distress
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我们还能记得住谁的牺牲呢？
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whose deaths we have yet to remember?
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我们的孩子怎么办？
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What about our children
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他们怎么能适应这样的生活呢？
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whose lives don't fit neatly
between the lives of your genders?
between the lives of your genders?
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显而易见，如果你天生是个黑皮肤，
03:03
See, apparently,
nothing is a great protector
nothing is a great protector
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什么都救不了你。
03:05
if you come out of a body
that looks like this.
that looks like this.
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03:08
See, there is something
about being Black in America
about being Black in America
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所以，黑人在美国这样的事，
让成为母亲
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that has made motherhood sound
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听起来与我所愿相悖。
03:14
like something I'm not sure
I look forward to.
I look forward to.
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03:17
I've written too many poems
about dead Black children to be naïve
about dead Black children to be naïve
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我写了很多
关于黑人小孩无辜牺牲的诗，
关于黑人小孩无辜牺牲的诗，
总有一天我的孩子可能也遭遇非难。
03:23
about the fact that there could one day
be a poem written about my kids.
be a poem written about my kids.
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03:28
But I do not want to be a mother
who gave birth to poems.
who gave birth to poems.
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但我不想只做诗歌的母亲。
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I do not want a stanza for a son
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我要的不是诗节这样的儿子，
也不是诗句这样的女儿，
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nor a line for a little girl
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更不是脚注这样
不能适应社会的孩子。
不能适应社会的孩子。
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nor a footnote for a child
who doesn't fit into this world.
who doesn't fit into this world.
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03:40
No.
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不。
我不想要
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I do not want children
who will live forever
who will live forever
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只能活在诗歌里的孩子，
03:44
in the pages of poetry,
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而他们的生命
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yet can't seem to outlive
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比我还短。
03:48
me.
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（掌声）
03:49
(Applause)
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03:58
I was invited to the TEDWomen conference
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我受邀到TED女性大会
做一首诗。
04:01
to perform a poem.
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04:03
But for me, poetry is not
about art and performance.
about art and performance.
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但于我而言，
诗作无关艺术或表演。
诗作无关艺术或表演。
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It is a form of protest.
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它是一种抗议。
04:10
Yesterday,
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昨天，
在排练时，
04:11
during rehearsal,
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我被告知最近有两三场TED演讲
04:13
I was told that there had been
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04:15
two to three recent TED Talks
about Black Lives Matter.
about Black Lives Matter.
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涉及黑人生存问题。
04:19
That maybe I should cut down my TED Talk
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所以，我可能需要缩短演讲时间，
所以演讲可能仅仅涉及
生育公平这个话题。
生育公平这个话题。
04:23
so it could "just" be
about Reproductive Justice.
about Reproductive Justice.
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04:27
But that poem and this talk
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但是那首诗和这个演讲
对我而言是不能分割的。
04:29
is fundamentally about
my inability to separate the two.
my inability to separate the two.
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04:33
I was 21 years old --
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我21岁时——
（掌声）
04:35
(Applause)
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04:43
I was 21 years old
when Trayvon Martin was murdered.
when Trayvon Martin was murdered.
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我21岁时，特雷文·马丁被谋杀了。
04:47
Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old Black boy,
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特雷文·马丁，
一个17岁的黑人男孩，
一个17岁的黑人男孩，
一个黑人小孩，
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a Black child,
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警示了我，
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reminded me
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警示了我们所有人，
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reminded us
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这个国家多么轻视黑人的生命。
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how little this nation
actually values Black life.
actually values Black life.
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04:59
The hashtag #BlackLivesMatter
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“黑人的生命事关紧要”的话题标签
变成黑人大众和孩子们
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became the most recognized call
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广泛认可的诉求，
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for Black people and our children
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即可以生活在安全的环境
和健康的社会团体中，
和健康的社会团体中，
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to live in safe environments
and healthy communities
and healthy communities
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而不用感到害怕
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without fear
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来自任何个人、州或政府的暴力行为。
05:11
from violence from individuals
or the state or government.
or the state or government.
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05:15
Months later,
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几个月后，
当乔治·齐默尔曼被判
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when George Zimmerman
was not held responsible
was not held responsible
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无需为特雷文·马丁的死亡负责时，
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for murdering Trayvon Martin,
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我听到塞丽娜·富尔顿，
05:21
I heard Sybrina Fulton,
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特雷文·马丁母亲的讲话。
05:23
Trayvon Martin's mother, speak.
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05:26
Her testimony so deeply impacted me
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她的证词对我的影响十分深远，
我开始不停地问
05:29
that I found myself constantly asking,
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05:32
what would it mean to mother
in the United Stated of America
in the United Stated of America
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在美国，身为黑人母亲
究竟意味着什么？
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in this skin?
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05:37
What does motherhood really mean,
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母亲的真正意义是什么，
对于那么多像我一样的黑人而言，
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when for so many who look like me
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母亲就是默哀的同义词吗？
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it is synonymous with mourning?
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05:45
Without realizing it,
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在不自知的情况下，
我已经开始将
生育公平的框架
生育公平的框架
05:46
I had begun to link
the Reproductive Justice framework
the Reproductive Justice framework
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和黑人运动联系起来。
05:49
and the Movement for Black Lives.
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As I learned more
about Reproductive Justice
about Reproductive Justice
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当我在《卓识妇女》
了解了更多的生育公平，
05:54
at Women With A Vision,
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当我积极参与黑人运动时，
05:56
and as I continued to be active
in the Movement for Black Lives,
in the Movement for Black Lives,
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我希望他人能看到并体会
这些相似之处。
这些相似之处。
06:00
I found myself wanting others
to see and feel these similarities.
to see and feel these similarities.
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06:04
I found myself asking:
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我不禁在问：
在这样的时代，谁的工作
06:06
Whose job is it in times like this
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会将观念、现实和人民联系起来？
06:09
to connect ideas realities and people?
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06:14
I want to dedicate this talk and that poem
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我想将此演讲和那首诗
送给康斯坦茨·马尔科姆。
06:16
to Constance Malcolm.
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06:19
She is the mother of Ramarley Graham
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她是拉玛莉·格雷厄姆的母亲，
拉玛莉·格雷厄姆是另一个黑人孩子，
06:21
who was another Black child
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在先前被谋杀。
06:23
who was murdered before their time.
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She reminded me once over dinner,
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有一次吃饭时，康斯坦茨·马尔科姆曾提醒过我，
我当时正在写那首诗，
06:28
as I was struggling to write that poem,
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她说艺术家有职责
06:30
that it is the artist's job
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去揭露一些
06:32
to unearth stories that people try to bury
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人们想用自满和时间来掩盖的真相。
06:34
with shovels of complacency and time.
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06:38
Recently,
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最近，
托妮·莫里森写了一句话，
06:40
Toni Morrison wrote,
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06:42
"In times of dread,
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“面对恐惧时，
艺术家绝不能保持沉默。
06:44
artists must never choose
to remain silent.
to remain silent.
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06:47
There is no time for self-pity,
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我们没有时间自怨自艾，
也没有恐惧的余地。”
06:49
no room for fear."
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06:52
Yesterday, during rehearsal,
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昨天彩排时，
当得知我可能要删减
06:54
when I was told that I should
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“黑人的生命事关紧要”这段演讲时，
06:55
"maybe cut the Black Lives Matter
portion from my talk,"
portion from my talk,"
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我察觉到自己害怕了好一会儿。
06:59
I found myself fearful for a moment.
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07:01
Fearful that again
our stories were being denied
our stories were being denied
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害怕我们的故事再一次被否定，
尤其是在这样大的舞台上。
07:04
the very stages
they deserve to be told on.
they deserve to be told on.
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And then I remembered
the words I had just spoken.
the words I had just spoken.
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但我想起刚刚我所说的话。
07:11
"In times of dread,
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“面对恐惧时，
艺术家绝不能选择沉默。
07:13
artists must never choose
to remain silent.
to remain silent.
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There is no time for self-pity.
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我们没有时间自怨自艾。
（掌声）
07:19
(Applause)
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There is no time for self-pity.
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我们没有时间自怨自艾。
也没有恐惧的余地。”
07:30
And no room for fear."
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And I have made my choice.
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我已经做了决定。
永不停息。
07:34
And I am always choosing.
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07:37
Thank you.
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谢谢大家。
（掌声）
07:38
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa - Writer, youth worker, freedom fighterMwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa is a storyteller, a truth-teller, a builder and breaker trying to figure out what it means to be human in a world that removes so much of our humanity in order to survive.
Why you should listen
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa is a Kenyan Queer Womyn speaker and performer. Katwiwa is an award-winning, internationally touring poet, author, host, youth worker, social-justice speaker, teaching artist and workshop leader who has spent her life at the intersection of arts, education and activism. Her work in Reproductive Justice, the Movement for Black Lives, LGBTQ+ advocacy and poetry have been featured on Upworthy, OkayAfrica, the New York Times, For Harriet, Everyday Feminism and more.
As a writer, Katwiwa has always centered storytelling as an avenue to create change and believes in "speaking things into existence." Her work is heavily influenced by her heritage and her pan-African upbringing, and centers "the other" and "the in between," places she has often found herself occupying as a black, queer immigrant and emigrant. Her experience of the power of words and stories to impact the lives of those sharing and receiving has pushed her to share and teach the craft as a tool of resistance and advocacy.
Mwende "FreeQuency" Katwiwa | Speaker | TED.com