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Sebastián Bortnik: The conversation we're not having about digital child abuse
Sebastians Bortniks: Kāpēc neviens nerunā par bērnu izmantošanu internetā?
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„Mums ar bērniem jārunā par riskiem, ar ko tie sastopas internetā,” saka IT drošības speciālists Sebastians Bortniks. Savā runā Bortniks stāsta par iedraudzināšanu – bērnu seksuālo izmantošanu, ko veic pieaugušie internetā – un ierosina sarunas par tehnoloģijām, ko vajadzētu uzsākt, lai mūsu bērni būtu drošībā.
Sebastián Bortnik - Information security specialist
Sebastián Bortnik's work is focused on preventing cyber attacks. Full bio
Sebastián Bortnik's work is focused on preventing cyber attacks. Full bio
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00:16
This is Nina Rodríguez's Facebook profile.
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Šī ir Nīnas Rodrigesas Facebook lapa.
Viņai bija trīs dažādi profili
00:21
This person had three different profiles
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and 890 kids between 8 and 13 years old
among her friends list.
among her friends list.
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un draugos 890 bērni
vecumā no 8 līdz 13 gadiem.
vecumā no 8 līdz 13 gadiem.
00:30
These are excerpts of a chat
with one of those kids.
with one of those kids.
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Lūk, fragmenti no sarunas
ar vienu no šiem bērniem.
ar vienu no šiem bērniem.
Tā ir precīza sarunas kopija
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This is an exact copy of the chat.
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un daļa no krimināllietas.
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It's part of the case file.
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Šis zēns viņai sāka sūtīt
intīmas fotogrāfijas,
intīmas fotogrāfijas,
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This kid started sending private photos
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līdz viņa ģimene saprata, kas notiek.
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until his family realized
what was going on.
what was going on.
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Viņi par to ziņoja policijai,
un izmeklēšana aizveda līdz kādai mājai.
un izmeklēšana aizveda līdz kādai mājai.
00:51
The police report and subsequent
investigation lead them to a house.
investigation lead them to a house.
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This was the girl's bedroom.
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Lūk, šīs meitenes istaba.
Nīna Rodrigesa patiesībā bija
24 gadus vecs vīrietis,
24 gadus vecs vīrietis,
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Nina Rodríguez was actually
a 24-year-old man
a 24-year-old man
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kas to darīja
ar daudziem nepilngadīgajiem.
ar daudziem nepilngadīgajiem.
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that used to do this with lots of kids.
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Mikaēlai Ortegai bija 12 gadi,
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Micaela Ortega was 12 years old
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when she went to meet
her new Facebook friend,
her new Facebook friend,
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kad viņa devās satikt
savu jauno Facebook draudzeni,
savu jauno Facebook draudzeni,
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also 12.
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arī divpadsmitgadnieci.
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"Rochi de River," was her name.
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Viņa sevi sauca par Roči de Riveru.
Patiesībā Mikaēla satika
26 gadus veco Džonatanu Lunu,
26 gadus veco Džonatanu Lunu,
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She actually met Jonathan Luna,
who was 26 years old.
who was 26 years old.
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kurš, kad viņu beidzot noķēra,
atzinās viņas slepkavībā,
atzinās viņas slepkavībā,
01:30
When they finally caught him,
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he confessed that he killed the girl
because she refused to have sex with him.
because she refused to have sex with him.
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jo meitene nebija gribējusi
ar viņu nodarboties ar seksu.
ar viņu nodarboties ar seksu.
Viņam bija četri Facebook profili
01:38
He had four Facebook profiles
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01:41
and 1,700 women on his contact list;
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un draugu sarakstā 1700 sieviešu.
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90 percent of them
were under 13 years old.
were under 13 years old.
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No tām 90% bija jaunākas par 13 gadiem.
01:52
These are two different
cases of "grooming":
cases of "grooming":
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Šie ir divi dažādi
iedraudzināšanas gadījumi:
iedraudzināšanas gadījumi:
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an adult contacts a kid
through the internet,
through the internet,
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pieaugušais uzrunā bērnu internetā
un, manipulējot vai melojot,
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and through manipulation or lying,
leads that kid into sexual territory --
leads that kid into sexual territory --
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ieved šo bērnu seksuālā teritorijā,
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from talking about sex
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sākot no sarunām par seksu
līdz intīmu fotogrāfiju sūtīšanai,
līdz intīmu fotogrāfiju sūtīšanai,
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to sharing private photos,
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bērna filmēšanai ar tīmekļa kameru
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recording the kid using a webcam
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vai norunājot tikšanos klātienē.
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or arranging an in-person meeting.
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02:14
This is grooming.
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Tā ir iedraudzināšana.
Tā notiek un iet plašumā.
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This is happening, and it's on the rise.
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02:21
The question is: What are we going to do?
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Jautājums ir, ko darīsim,
jo, kamēr domājam, bērni ir vieni.
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Because, in the meantime, kids are alone.
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Viņi paēd vakariņas,
aiziet uz savu istabu,
aiziet uz savu istabu,
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They finish dinner, go to their rooms,
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aizver durvis,
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close the door,
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ieiet datorā, savos telefonos
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get on their computer, their cell phones,
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un nokļūst naktsklubā,
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and get into a bar,
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nokļūst ballītē.
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into a club.
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02:42
Think for one second
about what I've just said:
about what I've just said:
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Brīdi apdomājiet to, ko tikko pateicu:
viņi ir vietā, kas pilna svešinieku,
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they're in a place full of strangers
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vidē bez ierobežojumiem.
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in an uninhibited environment.
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02:53
The internet broke physical boundaries.
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Internets ir nojaucis fiziskās robežas.
Kad esam vieni savā istabā
02:56
When we're alone in our bedroom
and we go online,
and we go online,
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un pieslēdzamies internetam,
mēs patiesībā neesam vieni.
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we're not really alone.
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Ir vismaz divi iemesli,
kāpēc neko nedarām –
kāpēc neko nedarām –
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There are at least two reasons
why we're not taking care of this,
why we're not taking care of this,
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vai vismaz nedarām pareizi.
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or at least not in the right way.
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Pirmkārt, esam pārliecināti,
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First, we're sure that everything
that happens online is "virtual."
that happens online is "virtual."
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ka viss internetā notiekošais ir virtuāls.
Patiesībā mēs to tā arī saucam –
virtuālā pasaule.
virtuālā pasaule.
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In fact, we call it "the virtual world."
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03:23
If you look it up in the dictionary,
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Ja ieskatīsieties vārdnīcā,
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something virtual is something
that seems to exist
that seems to exist
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virtuāls ir kas tāds,
kas ir šķietams vai nav īsts.
kas ir šķietams vai nav īsts.
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but is not real.
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Un šo vārdu mēs izmantojam,
runājot par internetu –
runājot par internetu –
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And we use that word
to talk about the internet:
to talk about the internet:
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kaut kas, kas nav reāls.
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something not real.
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Iedraudzināšanas problēma ir tā,
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And that's the problem with grooming.
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03:41
It is real.
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ka tā ir īsta.
Deģenerāti, izvirtuši pieaugušie
lieto internetu,
lieto internetu,
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Degenerate, perverted adults
use the internet to abuse boys and girls
use the internet to abuse boys and girls
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lai izmantotu zēnus un meitenes.
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and take advantage of, among other things,
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Turklāt viņi izmanto faktu,
ka bērni un viņu vecāki domā,
ka bērni un viņu vecāki domā,
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the fact that the kids and their parents
think that what happens online
think that what happens online
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ka internetā notiekošais
patiesībā nenotiek.
patiesībā nenotiek.
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doesn't actually happen.
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Pirms dažiem gadiem kopā ar kolēģiem
nodibinājām NVO „Kiberdrošā Argentīna”,
nodibinājām NVO „Kiberdrošā Argentīna”,
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Several years ago,
some colleagues and I founded an NGO
some colleagues and I founded an NGO
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called "Argentina Cibersegura,"
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dedicated to raising awareness
about online safety.
about online safety.
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kuras mērķis ir veicināt izpratni
par drošību internetā.
par drošību internetā.
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In 2013, we attended meetings
at the House of Legislature
at the House of Legislature
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2013. gadā mēs piedalījāmies
parlamenta sanāksmēs,
parlamenta sanāksmēs,
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to discuss a law about grooming.
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kurās apsprieda Iedraudzināšanas likumu.
04:19
I remember that a lot of people thought
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Atceros, ka daudziem iedraudzināšana
nozīmēja tikai un vienīgi soli,
nozīmēja tikai un vienīgi soli,
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that grooming was strictly a precursor
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04:24
to arranging an in-person meeting
with a kid to have sex with them.
with a kid to have sex with them.
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lai ar bērniem norunātu tikšanos klātienē
un iesaistītu tos seksuālās aktivitātēs.
un iesaistītu tos seksuālās aktivitātēs.
Bet viņi nedomāja par to,
kas notiek ar bērniem,
kas notiek ar bērniem,
04:30
But they didn't think about what happened
to the kids who were exposed
to the kids who were exposed
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kas piedalījušies sarunās par seksu
ar pieaugušo, pašiem to nezinot,
ar pieaugušo, pašiem to nezinot,
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by talking about sex
with an adult without knowing it,
with an adult without knowing it,
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kas dalījušies ar intīmām fotogrāfijām,
domādami, ka tās redz cits bērns,
domādami, ka tās redz cits bērns,
04:37
or who shared intimate photos thinking
only another kid would see them,
only another kid would see them,
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vai vēl ļaunāk –
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or even worse,
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04:43
who had exposed themselves
using their web cam.
using their web cam.
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kas atkailinājušies kameras priekšā.
To neviens neuzskatīja par izvarošanu.
04:46
Nobody considered that rape.
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Esmu pārliecināts, ka daudziem no jums
04:51
I'm sure lots of you find it odd to think
one person can abuse another
one person can abuse another
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šķiet dīvaina doma, ka viens cilvēks
var otru izmantot nepieskaroties.
var otru izmantot nepieskaroties.
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without physical contact.
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04:57
We're programmed to think that way.
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Tas vienkārši ir veids, kā mēs domājam.
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I know, because I used to think that way.
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Zinu, jo pats savulaik domāju tāpat.
Biju vienkārši IT drošības tehniķis,
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I was just an IT security guy
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līdz ar mani atgadījās, lūk, kas.
05:07
until this happened to me.
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05:11
At the end of 2011,
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2011. gada nogalē
mazā pilsētiņā Buenosairesas provincē
05:14
in a little town in Buenos Aires Province,
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05:16
I heard about a case for the first time.
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pirmoreiz dzirdēju par kādu gadījumu.
Pēc kādas uzstāšanās
05:20
After giving a talk,
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05:23
I met the parents of an 11-year-old girl
who had been a victim of grooming.
who had been a victim of grooming.
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pie manis pienāca
11-gadīgas meitenes vecāki,
11-gadīgas meitenes vecāki,
kuru meita bija kļuvusi
par iedraudzināšanas upuri.
par iedraudzināšanas upuri.
05:30
A man had manipulated her
into masturbating in front of her web cam,
into masturbating in front of her web cam,
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Kāds pieaugušais viņu bija pierunājis
masturbēt kameras priekšā
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and recorded it.
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un bija to ierakstījis.
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And the video was on several websites.
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Šis video ceļoja
pa dažādām interneta vietnēm.
pa dažādām interneta vietnēm.
Todien vecāki ar asarām acīs lūdza,
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That day, her parents asked us, in tears,
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05:43
to tell them the magic formula
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lai pastāstām viņiem,
kā izdzēst šos video no interneta.
kā izdzēst šos video no interneta.
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for how to delete those videos
from the internet.
from the internet.
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Man sāpēja sirds,
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It broke my heart and changed me forever
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un es mainījos uz visiem laikiem,
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to be their last disappointment,
telling them it was too late:
telling them it was too late:
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kad sagādāju viņiem pēdējo vilšanos,
sakot, ka ir par vēlu:
sakot, ka ir par vēlu:
tajā brīdī, kad saturs
ir nonācis internetā,
ir nonācis internetā,
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once content is online,
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06:00
we've already lost control.
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mēs to vairs nespējam kontrolēt.
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Since that day, I think about that girl
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Kopš tās dienas domāju par šo meiteni,
kas no rītiem ceļas,
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waking up in the morning,
having breakfast with her family,
having breakfast with her family,
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brokasto ar ģimeni,
kas šo video ir redzējusi,
kas šo video ir redzējusi,
06:12
who had seen the video,
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kājām dodas uz skolu,
06:15
and then walking to school, meeting
people that had seen her naked,
people that had seen her naked,
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satiek cilvēkus,
kas viņu redzējuši kailu,
kas viņu redzējuši kailu,
ierodas skolā un rotaļājas
ar draugiem, kas viņu arī redzējuši.
ar draugiem, kas viņu arī redzējuši.
06:20
arriving to school, playing with
her friends, who had also seen her.
her friends, who had also seen her.
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Tā viņa dzīvo.
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That was her life.
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Kā uz delnas.
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Exposed.
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06:33
Of course, nobody raped her body.
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Protams, viņas ķermeni neviens neizvaroja.
06:37
But hadn't her sexuality been abused?
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Bet vai viņas seksualitāti neizmantoja?
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We clearly use different standards
to measure physical and digital things.
to measure physical and digital things.
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Ir skaidrs, ka fizisko un digitālo
mēs mēram ar dažādām mērauklām.
mēs mēram ar dažādām mērauklām.
Mēs dusmojamies uz sociālajiem tīkliem,
06:49
And we get angry at social networks
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jo dusmoties pašiem uz sevi
ir sāpīgāk un patiesāk.
ir sāpīgāk un patiesāk.
06:51
because being angry with ourselves
is more painful and more true.
is more painful and more true.
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Un tas aizved pie otra iemesla,
06:56
And this brings us
to the second reason why
to the second reason why
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kāpēc šim jautājumam nepievēršam
pietiekami daudz uzmanības.
pietiekami daudz uzmanības.
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we aren't paying proper
attention to this issue.
attention to this issue.
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Proti, mēs uzskatām,
07:02
We're convinced that kids
don't need our help,
don't need our help,
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ka bērniem mūsu palīdzība nav vajadzīga,
ka par tehnoloģijām
viņi jau tāpat visu zina.
viņi jau tāpat visu zina.
07:06
that they "know everything"
about technology.
about technology.
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07:12
When I was a kid,
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Bērnībā
07:14
at one point, my parents started
letting me walk to school alone.
letting me walk to school alone.
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pienāca brīdis, kad man atļāva
uz skolu iet vienam pašam.
uz skolu iet vienam pašam.
Pēc tam, kad vairākus gadus
biju gājis vecākiem pie rokas,
biju gājis vecākiem pie rokas,
07:19
After years of taking me by the hand
and walking me to school,
and walking me to school,
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mani todien apsēdināja,
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one day they sat me down,
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iedeva mājas atslēgas
07:26
gave me the house keys
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07:27
and said, "Be very careful with these;
don't give them to anyone,
don't give them to anyone,
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un teica: „Sargā tās, nevienam nedod,
07:31
take the route we showed you,
be at home at the time we said,
be at home at the time we said,
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ej un nāc atpakaļ pa ceļu, ko tev rādījām,
esi mājās laikus,
07:36
cross at the corner,
and look both ways before you cross,
and look both ways before you cross,
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uz stūra pārej pāri ielai,
pirms tam paskaties uz abām pusēm,
pirms tam paskaties uz abām pusēm,
07:38
and no matter what,
don't talk to strangers."
don't talk to strangers."
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un, galvenais, nerunā ar svešiniekiem!”
07:44
I knew everything about walking,
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Es visu zināju par iešanu,
tomēr par mani rūpējās
atbildīgs pieaugušais.
atbildīgs pieaugušais.
07:47
and yet, there was a responsible adult
there taking care of me.
there taking care of me.
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07:52
Knowing how to do something is one thing,
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Viens ir zināt, kā kaut kas jādara,
otrs ir prast sevi pasargāt.
07:54
knowing how to take care
of yourself is another.
of yourself is another.
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07:58
Imagine this situation:
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Iedomājieties šādu situāciju:
08:00
I'm 10 or 11 years old,
I wake up in the morning,
I wake up in the morning,
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man ir 10 vai 11 gadu,
un kādu rītu pēc pamošanās
un kādu rītu pēc pamošanās
08:03
my parents toss me the keys and say,
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man pamet mājas atslēgas un saka:
„Seba, šodien uz skolu vari iet pats.”
08:05
"Seba, now you can walk to school alone."
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08:08
And when I come back late,
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Kad mājās pārrodos vēlu,
08:11
they say, "No, you need to be home
at the time we said."
at the time we said."
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man saka: „Nē, tev jābūt mājās laikus.”
08:16
And two weeks later,
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Divas nedēļas vēlāk,
08:18
when it comes up,
they say, "You know what?
they say, "You know what?
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garām ejot, piebilst: „Zini ko?
Ielai pāri jāiet krustojumos
08:21
You have to cross at the corner,
and look both ways before crossing."
and look both ways before crossing."
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un pirms iešanas
jāpaskatās uz abām pusēm.”
jāpaskatās uz abām pusēm.”
08:26
And two years later, they say,
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Vēl divus gadus vēlāk:
08:29
"And also, don't talk to strangers."
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„Ā! Un nerunā ar svešiniekiem!”
08:34
It sounds absurd, right?
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Izklausās muļķīgi, vai ne?
08:38
We have the same absurd behavior
in relation to technology.
in relation to technology.
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Tikpat muļķīgi mēs izturamies
pret tehnoloģijām.
pret tehnoloģijām.
08:42
We give kids total access
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Mēs ļaujam bērniem piekļūt it visam
08:44
and we see if one day, sooner or later,
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un gaidām, ka kādu dienu,
drīzāk par vēlu nekā par agru,
drīzāk par vēlu nekā par agru,
viņi iemācīsies sevi pasargāt.
08:47
they learn how to take care of themselves.
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Viens ir zināt, kā kaut kas jādara,
08:50
Knowing how to do something is one thing,
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otrs ir prast sevi pasargāt.
08:52
knowing how to take care
of yourself is another.
of yourself is another.
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Turpinot par to pašu –
kad runājam ar vecākiem,
kad runājam ar vecākiem,
08:56
Along those same lines,
when we talk to parents,
when we talk to parents,
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08:59
they often say they don't care
about technology and social networks.
about technology and social networks.
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viņi bieži vien saka,
ka viņus neinteresē tehnoloģija,
ka viņus neinteresē tehnoloģija,
ka viņus neinteresē sociālie tīkli.
09:06
I always rejoin that by asking
if they care about their kids.
if they care about their kids.
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Es vienmēr pārjautāju,
vai viņiem interesē savi bērni.
vai viņiem interesē savi bērni.
Pieaugušajiem interesēties par tehnoloģiju
09:09
As adults, being interested
or not in technology
or not in technology
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is the same as being interested
or not in our kids.
or not in our kids.
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nozīmē to pašu, ko interesēties
par saviem bērniem.
par saviem bērniem.
09:15
The internet is part of their lives.
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Internets ir daļa viņu dzīves.
09:18
Technology forces us to rethink
the relationship between adults and kids.
the relationship between adults and kids.
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Tehnoloģija liek mums pārdomāt
attiecības starp pieaugušajiem un bērniem.
09:24
Education was always based
on two main concepts:
on two main concepts:
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Izglītība vienmēr ir balstījusies
uz diviem pīlāriem:
uz diviem pīlāriem:
pieredzi un zināšanām.
09:28
experience and knowledge.
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Kā lai iemācām bērniem
par drošību internetā,
par drošību internetā,
09:32
How do we teach our kids to be safe online
when we don't have either?
when we don't have either?
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ja mums nav ne viena, ne otra?
09:40
Nowadays, we adults
have to guide our children
have to guide our children
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Šodien mums, pieaugušajiem,
bērni jāvada teritorijās,
kas bieži vien mums pašiem ir svešas
kas bieži vien mums pašiem ir svešas
09:42
through what is often for us
unfamiliar territory --
unfamiliar territory --
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09:45
territory much more inviting for them.
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un kurās viņi jūtas daudz ērtāk.
Tāpēc ir neiespējami rast atbildi,
09:49
It's impossible to find an answer
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09:52
without doing new things --
things that make us uncomfortable,
things that make us uncomfortable,
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nedarot kaut ko jaunu un neērtu,
ko tādu, pie kā neesam pieraduši.
09:55
things we're not used to.
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09:59
A lot of you may think it's easy for me,
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Daudzi no jums domā,
ka man jau tas ir viegli,
ka man jau tas ir viegli,
jo esmu relatīvi jauns.
10:02
because I'm relatively young.
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10:04
And it used to be that way.
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Un lielākoties tā arī bija.
10:07
Used to.
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Bija.
Līdz pagājušajam gadam,
10:10
Until last year,
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10:12
when I felt the weight
of my age on my shoulders
of my age on my shoulders
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kad uz saviem pleciem sajutu gadu smagumu,
pirmoreiz atverot Snapchat.
10:17
the first time I opened Snapchat.
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(Smiekli)
10:22
(Laughter)
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(Aplausi)
10:26
(Applause)
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Es nesapratu pilnīgi neko!
10:31
I didn't understand a thing!
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Tas man šķita pilnīgi lieks, nederīgs,
nesaprotams sociālais tīkls.
nesaprotams sociālais tīkls.
10:35
I found it unnecessary,
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10:37
useless, hard to understand;
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10:40
it looked like a camera!
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Tā izskatījās pēc fotokameras!
10:42
It didn't have menu options!
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Tur nebija izvēlnes!
Tā bija pirmā reize, kad izjutu bezdibeni,
10:46
It was the first time I felt the gap
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kas reizēm ir starp bērniem
un pieaugušajiem.
un pieaugušajiem.
10:49
that sometimes exists
between kids and adults.
between kids and adults.
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Tomēr vienlaikus
tā bija iespēja rīkoties pareizi:
tā bija iespēja rīkoties pareizi:
10:53
But it was also an opportunity
to do the right thing,
to do the right thing,
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10:57
to leave my comfort zone, to force myself.
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iziet ārpus savas komforta zonas
un piespiest sevi.
un piespiest sevi.
Man šķita, ka nekad mūžā
nelietošu Snapchat.
nelietošu Snapchat.
11:00
I never thought I'd ever use Snapchat,
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11:04
but then I asked my teenage cousin
to show me how to use it.
to show me how to use it.
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Taču vēlāk palūdzu
savai pusaudzes vecuma māsīcai,
savai pusaudzes vecuma māsīcai,
lai viņa man parāda, kā to lieto.
Un arī, kāpēc viņa to lieto.
11:10
I also asked why she used it.
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Kas tajā ir tik labs?
11:12
What was fun about it?
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Mums bija brīnišķīga saruna.
11:15
We had a really nice talk.
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Viņa man ierādīja Snapchat,
pastāstīja par to,
pastāstīja par to,
11:17
She showed me her Snapchat,
she told me things,
she told me things,
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mēs satuvinājāmies, mēs smējāmies.
11:20
we got closer, we laughed.
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11:24
Today, I use it.
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Tagad es to izmantoju –
(Smiekli)
11:26
(Laughter)
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nezinu, vai veiksmīgi,
11:28
I don't know if I do it right,
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bet galvenais ir tas,
ka es to zinu un saprotu.
ka es to zinu un saprotu.
11:30
but the most important thing
is that I know it and I understand it.
is that I know it and I understand it.
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11:36
The key was to overcome the initial shock
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Risinājums bija tikt pāri
sākotnējam šokam,
sākotnējam šokam,
11:40
and do something new.
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apņemties izdarīt kaut ko jaunu –
11:43
Something new.
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kaut ko jaunu.
11:45
Today, we have the chance
to create new conversations.
to create new conversations.
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Šodien mums ir iespēja
uzsākt jaunas sarunas.
uzsākt jaunas sarunas.
Kura ir tava jaunākā lejuplādētā lietotne?
11:49
What's the last app you downloaded?
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Kurā sociālajā tīklā
tu sazinies ar draugiem?
tu sazinies ar draugiem?
11:51
Which social network do you use
to contact your friends?
to contact your friends?
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Kāda veida informāciju tu publicē?
11:55
What kind of information do you share?
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Vai ar tevi ir mēģinājis
uzsākt sarunu kāds svešinieks?
uzsākt sarunu kāds svešinieks?
11:58
Have you ever been
approached by strangers?
approached by strangers?
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12:02
Could we have these conversations
between kids and adults?
between kids and adults?
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Vai varam uzsākt šīs sarunas
starp bērniem un pieaugušajiem?
starp bērniem un pieaugušajiem?
12:07
We have to force ourselves
to do it. All of us.
to do it. All of us.
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Mums visiem jāpiespiež sevi to darīt.
Visiem.
Visiem.
Šobrīd mūs dzird daudz bērnu.
12:10
Today, lots of kids are listening to us.
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Bieži, kad par šo runājam skolās
12:16
Sometimes when we go
to schools to give our talks,
to schools to give our talks,
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12:19
or through social networks,
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vai sociālajos tīklos,
bērni mums jautā un stāsta to,
12:21
kids ask or tell us things
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ko neuzdrošinās stāstīt
pat vecākiem vai skolotājiem;
pat vecākiem vai skolotājiem;
12:23
they haven't told
their parents or their teachers.
their parents or their teachers.
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viņi to pastāsta mums,
kaut gan mūs nepazīst.
kaut gan mūs nepazīst.
12:27
They tell us -- they don't even know us.
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Bērniem jāzina,
12:32
Those kids need to know
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12:36
what the risks of being online are,
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kādi riski pastāv internetā,
kā sevi pasargāt,
12:40
how to take care of themselves,
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taču galvenais, ka viņi to,
tāpat kā gandrīz visu citu,
tāpat kā gandrīz visu citu,
12:41
but also that, fundamentally,
as with almost everything else,
as with almost everything else,
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12:45
kids can learn this from any adult.
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var iemācīties no jebkura pieaugušā.
12:51
Online safety needs to be
a conversation topic
a conversation topic
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Drošībai internetā ir jābūt sarunu tēmai
ikvienā mājā un ikvienā šīs valsts skolā.
12:55
in every house and every
classroom in the country.
classroom in the country.
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12:59
We did a survey this year that showed
that 15 percent of schools said
that 15 percent of schools said
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Šogad veiktā aptaujā
15% skolu norādīja, ka zina
par iedraudzināšanas gadījumiem
par iedraudzināšanas gadījumiem
13:04
they knew of cases of grooming
in their school.
in their school.
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savā iestādē.
13:07
And this number is growing.
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Un šis skaitlis pieaug.
Tehnoloģija ir mainījusi
visus mūsu dzīves aspektus,
visus mūsu dzīves aspektus,
13:11
Technology changed
every aspect of our life,
every aspect of our life,
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13:15
including the risks we face
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tostarp riskus, ar ko sastopamies,
13:18
and how we take care of ourselves.
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un kā sevi pasargājam.
13:20
Grooming shows us this
in the most painful way:
in the most painful way:
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Un iedraudzināšana mums to parāda
vissāpīgākajā veidā –
vissāpīgākajā veidā –
iesaistot mūsu bērnus.
13:25
by involving our kids.
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13:28
Are we going to do something
to avoid this?
to avoid this?
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Vai mēs rīkosimies, lai to novērstu?
Risinājums sākas
ar kaut ko pavisam vienkāršu –
ar kaut ko pavisam vienkāršu –
13:32
The solution starts
with something as easy as:
with something as easy as:
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runāšanu par to.
13:36
talking about it.
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Liels paldies.
13:37
Thank you.
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(Aplausi)
13:38
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sebastián Bortnik - Information security specialistSebastián Bortnik's work is focused on preventing cyber attacks.
Why you should listen
Sebastián Bortnik is an information security specialist with more than ten years of work experience in the field. He has been working on research and education on cyber attacks since the beginning of his career. He's currently head of research for Onapsis, a company dedicated to protecting ERP and business-critical applications in big companies. Previously, he led a research and technology team for an antivirus company in Latin America focused on malware analysis and cyber attacks research.
Bortnik is one of the founding members of a non-profit organization in Argentina, Argentina Cibersegura, which is focused on raising awareness within the community on how to prevent cyber attacks. As its leader, he has helped create a network with more than 200 volunteers around the country that teach how to use technologies in a safer way to thousands of kids every year.
Bortnik has written several articles and delivered many talks at different conferences around the world. He is passionate about education and believes that everybody needs to understand the impact technology has on our lives and safety.
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