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Robert Gupta: Music is medicine, music is sanity
Roberts Gupta: Mūzika ir zāles, mūzika ir veselais saprāts
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Roberts Gupta, Losandželosas Filharmonijas orķestra vijolnieks, runā par vijoles stundu, kuru reiz sniedzis ģeniālam šizofrēnijas māktam mūziķim, un to, ko viņš no tā iemācījies. Vēlāk atsaukts atpakaļ uz skatuves, viņš nospēlē savu aranžējumu Baha prelūdijas no 1.svītas čellam pārnesumu vijolei.
Robert Gupta - Violinist
Violinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow. Full bio
Violinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow. Full bio
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One day, Los Angeles Times columnist
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Reiz kādu dienu, Losandželosas Times slejinieks
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Steve Lopez was walking along
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Stīvs Lopezs pastaigājās pa
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the streets of downtown Los Angeles
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Losandželosas centra ielām,
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when he heard beautiful music.
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kad viņš izdzirdēja brīnišķīgu mūziku.
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And the source was a man,
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Tās avots bija
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an African-American man,
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kāds afrioamerikāņu vīrietis,
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charming, rugged, homeless,
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pievilcīgs, raupjš, bez pajumtes,
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playing a violin that only had two strings.
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viņš spēlēja vijoli, kurai bija tikai divas stīgas.
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And I'm telling a story that many of you know,
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Šo stāstu daudzi no jums jau zina,
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because Steve's columns became the basis
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jo Stīva rakstītais kļuva par pamatu
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for a book, which was turned into a movie,
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grāmatai, no kuras vēlāk uzņēma filmu
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with Robert Downey Jr. acting as Steve Lopez,
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ar Robertu Dauniju jaunāko Stīvu Lopeza lomā
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and Jamie Foxx as Nathaniel Anthony Ayers,
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un Džeimiju Foksu Nataniēla Entonija Eijersa lomā,
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the Juilliard-trained double bassist
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Džuliarda akadēmijā skolotu kontrabasistu,
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whose promising career was cut short
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kura daudzsološo karjeru
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by a tragic affliction with paranoid schizophrenia.
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traģiski pārtrauca paranojiskā šizofrēnija.
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Nathaniel dropped out of Juilliard, he suffered a complete breakdown,
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Nataniēls pameta Džuliarda akadēmiju, piedzīvoja pilnīgu sabrukumu,
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and 30 years later he was living homeless
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un 30 gadus vēlāk dzīvoja kā bezpajumtnieks
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on the streets of Skid Row in downtown Los Angeles.
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Skidrovas ielās Losandželosā.
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I encourage all of you to read Steve's book or to watch the movie
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Es iesaku jums visiem izlasīt Stīva grāmatu vai noskatīties filmu,
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to understand not only the beautiful bond
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ne tikai, lai izprastu šo brīnišķīgo saiti,
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that formed between these two men,
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kas izveidojusies starp šiem diviem vīriem,
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but how music helped shape that bond,
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bet arī saprastu, kā mūzika palīdzēja to veidot,
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and ultimately was instrumental -- if you'll pardon the pun --
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un galu galā bija instruments, piedodiet par vārdu spēli,
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in helping Nathaniel get off the streets.
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kas palīdzēja Nataniēlam vairs nebūt uz ielas.
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I met Mr. Ayers in 2008,
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Es satiku Eijersa kungu 2008.gadā,
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two years ago, at Walt Disney Concert Hall.
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pirms diviem gadiem Valta Disneja koncerthallē.
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He had just heard a performance of Beethoven's First and Fourth symphonies,
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Viņš nupat bija dzirdējis Bēthovena pirmo un ceturto simfonijas
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and came backstage and introduced himself.
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un bija atnācis uz aizkulisēm, lai iepazīstinātu ar sevi.
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He was speaking in a very jovial and gregarious way
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Viņš runāja ļoti dzīvespriecīgā un atklātā tonī
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about Yo-Yo Ma and Hillary Clinton
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par Jo-Jo Ma, Hilariju Klintoni
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and how the Dodgers were never going to make the World Series,
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un to kā Dodžers nekad netiks līdz pasaules kausa finālam,
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all because of the treacherous first violin passage work
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viss tas nedrošās vijoles partijas dēļ
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in the last movement of Beethoven's Fourth Symphony.
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Bēthovena ceturtās simfonijas pēdējā daļā.
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And we got talking about music, and I got an email from Steve a few days later
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Tā mēs sākām runāt par mūziku, un pāris dienas vēlāk es saņēmu e-pastu no Stīva,
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saying that Nathaniel was interested in a violin lesson with me.
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kurā bija teikts, ka Nataniēls ir ieinteresēts vijoles stundās pie manis.
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Now, I should mention that Nathaniel refuses treatment
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Droši vien jāmin, ka Nataniēls atsakās no ārstēšanas,
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because when he was treated it was with shock therapy
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jo iepriekš, kad viņš tika ārstēts, tas bija ar šoka terapiju,
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and Thorazine and handcuffs,
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Torazīnu un rokudzelžiem,
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and that scar has stayed with him for his entire life.
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un šī rēta ir viņam palikusi uz mūžu,
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But as a result now, he is prone to
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Kā rezultātā viņam nu ir tendence
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these schizophrenic episodes,
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uz šizofrēnijas epizodēm,
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the worst of which can manifest themselves as
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sliktākās, no kurām izpaužas,
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him exploding
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viņam uzejot gaisā,
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and then disappearing for days,
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un tad pazūdot uz vairākām dienām,
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wandering the streets of Skid Row,
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klejojumos pa Skidrovas ielām,
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exposed to its horrors, with the torment of his own mind
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esot pakļautam to briesmām un sava paša prāta
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unleashed upon him.
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pārņemtajām mokām.
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And Nathaniel was in such a state of agitation
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Nataniēls bija šādā nemiera stāvoklī,
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when we started our first lesson at Walt Disney Concert Hall --
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kad mēs sākām mūsu pirmo stundu Valta Disneja koncerthallē,
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he had a kind of manic glint in his eyes,
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viņa acīs bija maniakāls spīdums,
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he was lost.
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viņš bija pazudis.
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And he was talking about
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Viņš runāja par
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invisible demons and smoke,
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neredzamiem dēmoniem, dūmiem
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and how someone was poisoning him in his sleep.
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un par to, kā kāds miegā viņu indēja.
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And I was afraid,
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Un man bija bail,
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not for myself, but I was afraid
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nevis par sevi, bet par to,
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that I was going to lose him,
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ka es viņu pazaudēšu,
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that he was going to sink into one of his states,
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ka viņš ieslīgs kādā no saviem stāvokļiem,
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and that I would ruin his relationship with the violin
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un ka es sabojāšu viņa attiecības ar vijoli,
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if I started talking about scales
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ja sākšu runāt par gammām,
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and arpeggios and other exciting forms of
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arpēdžio un citām
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didactic violin pedagogy.
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vijoles pedagoģijas aizraujošām formām.
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(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
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So, I just started playing.
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Tā nu es vienkārši sāku spēlēt.
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And I played the first movement of the Beethoven Violin Concerto.
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Es nospēlēju Bēthovena koncerta vijolei pirmo daļu.
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And as I played,
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Kamēr es spēlēju,
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I understood that there was a profound change
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es sapratu, ka Nataniēla acīs
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occurring in Nathaniel's eyes.
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parādījās būtiskas izmaiņas.
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It was as if he was in the grip of some invisible pharmaceutical,
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Tas bija it kā viņš būtu kādu neredzamu zāļu iespaidā,
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a chemical reaction, for which my playing the music
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ķīmiskas reakcijas iespaidā,
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was its catalyst.
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kuras katalizators bija manis spēlētā mūzika.
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And Nathaniel's manic rage
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Nataniēla maniakālais niknums
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was transformed into understanding,
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kļuva par sapratni,
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a quiet curiosity and grace.
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klusu ziņkārību un vēlību.
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And in a miracle, he lifted his own violin
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Un par brīnumu viņš paņēma savu vijoli
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and he started playing, by ear,
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un sāka spēlēt pēc dzirdes,
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certain snippets of violin concertos
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nelielus fragmentus no vijoļkoncertiem,
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which he then asked me to complete -- Mendelssohn,
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kurus viņš man pēcāk lūdza pabeigt — Mendelsons,
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Tchaikovsky, Sibelius.
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Čaikovskis, Sibēliuss.
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And we started talking about music, from Bach
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Mēs sākām runāt par mūziku, no Baha,
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to Beethoven and Brahms,
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līdz Bēthovenam, Brāmsam,
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Bruckner, all the B's,
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Brukneram, un visiem pārējiem „B”,
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from Bartók, all the way up to Esa-Pekka Salonen.
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no Bartoka līdz pat Esa-Pekka Salonenam.
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And I understood that he not only
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Es sapratu, ka viņam bija ne tikai
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had an encyclopedic knowledge of music,
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enciklopēdiskas zināšanas mūzikā,
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but he related to this music at a personal level.
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bet arī personīga saikne ar mūziku.
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He spoke about it with the kind of passion
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Viņš par to runāja ar tādu kaislību un sapratni,
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and understanding that I share with my colleagues
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kāda ir man ar maniem kolēģiem
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in the Los Angeles Philharmonic.
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Losandželosas Filharmonijas orķestrī.
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And through playing music and talking about music,
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Caur muzicēšanu un runāšanu par mūziku
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this man had transformed
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šis cilvēks bija pārvērties no
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from the paranoid, disturbed man
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paranojas mākta, šausmu pārņemta vīrieša,
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that had just come from walking the streets
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kurš nupat klejojis pa
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of downtown Los Angeles
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Losandželosas centra ielām,
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to the charming, erudite,
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apburošā, erudītā,
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brilliant, Juilliard-trained musician.
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izcilā Džuliarda akadēmijā skolotā mūziķī.
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Music is medicine. Music changes us.
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Mūzika ir zāles. Mūzika mūs maina.
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And for Nathaniel, music is sanity.
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Nataniēlam mūzika ir veselais saprāts.
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Because music allows him to take his thoughts
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Jo mūzika viņam ļauj
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and delusions and shape them
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caur iztēli un radošumu
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through his imagination and his creativity,
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pārmainīt savas domas un maldus
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into reality.
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realitātē.
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And that is an escape
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Un tas ir glābiņš
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from his tormented state.
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no viņa izmocītā stāvokļa.
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And I understood that this was the very essence of art.
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Es sapratu, ka tā ir pati mākslas būtība.
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This was the very reason why we made music,
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Tas ir tas iemesls, kāpēc mēs radām mūziku,
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that we take something that exists within all of us
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ka mēs ņemam kaut ko, kas eksistē mūsos visos,
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at our very fundamental core,
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visdziļākajā līmenī,
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our emotions,
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mūsu emocijas,
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and through our artistic lens,
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un caur mākslas prizmu,
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through our creativity, we're able to shape those emotions into reality.
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caur mūsu radošumu, mēs visi esam spējīgi pārveidot šīs emocijas realitātē.
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And the reality of that expression
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Un, ka šo izteiksmes veidu realitāte
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reaches all of us
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sasniedz mūs visus,
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and moves us, inspires and unites us.
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aizkustina mūs, iedvesmo un vieno.
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And for Nathaniel,
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Nataniēlu mūzika
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music brought him back into a fold of friends.
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ieveda atpakaļ draugu lokā.
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The redemptive power of music brought him back
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Mūzikas glābjošais spēks atveda viņu atpakaļ
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into a family of musicians
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mūziķu ģimenē,
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that understood him,
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kuri viņu saprata,
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that recognized his talents
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kuri atzina viņa talantus
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and respected him.
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un viņu cienīja.
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And I will always make music with Nathaniel,
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Es vienmēr spēlēšu kopā ar Nataniēlu,
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whether we're at Walt Disney Concert Hall
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vai tā būtu Valta Disneja koncerthalle,
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or on Skid Row, because he reminds me
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vai Skidrovas ielas, tādēļ, ka viņš man atgādina to,
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why I became a musician.
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kādēļ es kļuvu par mūziķi.
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Thank you.
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Paldies.
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(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
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Bruno Giussani: Thank you. Thanks.
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Bruno Džiusani: Paldies jums. Paldies.
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Robert Gupta.
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Roberts Gupta.
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(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
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Robert Gupta: I'm going to play something that I shamelessly stole from cellists.
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Roberts Gupta: Es jums nospēlēšu kaut ko, ko esmu bezkaunīgi nozadzis no čellistiem.
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So, please forgive me.
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Tādēļ lūdzu piedodiet.
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(Laughter)
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(Smiekli)
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(Music)
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(Mūzika)
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(Applause)
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(Aplausi)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Robert Gupta - ViolinistViolinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow.
Why you should listen
Violinist Robert Vijay Gupta joined the Los Angeles Philharmonic at the age of 19. He made his solo debut, at age 11, with the Israel Philharmonic under Zubin Mehta. He has a Master's in music from Yale. But his undergraduate degree? Pre-med. As an undergrad, Gupta was part of several research projects in neuro- and neurodegenerative biology. He held Research Assistant positions at CUNY Hunter College in New York City, where he worked on spinal cord neuronal regeneration, and at the Harvard Institutes of Medicine Center for Neurologic Diseases, where he studied the biochemical pathology of Parkinson's disease.
Gupta is passionate about education and outreach, both as a musician and as an activist for mental health issues. He has the privilege of working with Nathaniel Ayers, the brilliant, schizophrenic musician featured in "The Soloist," as his violin teacher.
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