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Robert Gupta: Music is medicine, music is sanity
Robert Gupta: Muzika je lek, muzika je zdrav um
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Robert Gupta, violinista losanđeleskog filharmonijskog orkestra, govori o časovima violine koje je držao brilijantnom i šizofrenom muzičaru – i o tome šta je sam naučio. Kada su ga nakon govora ponovo pozvali na pozornicu, izveo je svoju adaptaciju preludijuma iz Bahove svite za čelo br. 1.
Robert Gupta - Violinist
Violinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow. Full bio
Violinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow. Full bio
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One day, Los Angeles Times columnist
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Jednog dana kolumnista Los Anđeles Tajmsa
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Steve Lopez was walking along
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Stiv Lopez je šetajući se
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the streets of downtown Los Angeles
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ulicama u centru Los Anđelesa
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when he heard beautiful music.
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začuo predivnu muziku.
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And the source was a man,
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Zvuke muzike proizvodio je
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an African-American man,
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jedan Afroamerikanac,
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charming, rugged, homeless,
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šarmantan, krševit beskućnik,
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playing a violin that only had two strings.
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i to na violini sa samo dve žice.
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And I'm telling a story that many of you know,
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Pričam vam priču koju mnogi od vas znaju,
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because Steve's columns became the basis
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jer su Stivove kolumne bile osnova
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for a book, which was turned into a movie,
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za knjigu, po kojoj je snimljen film
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with Robert Downey Jr. acting as Steve Lopez,
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u kom Robert Dauni Džunior ima ulogu Stiva Lopeza,
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and Jamie Foxx as Nathaniel Anthony Ayers,
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a Džejmi Foks glumi Natanijela Antoni Ajersa,
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the Juilliard-trained double bassist
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kontrabasista njujorškog konzervatorijuma Džulijard,
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whose promising career was cut short
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čiju je obećavajuću karijeru tragično zaustavio
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by a tragic affliction with paranoid schizophrenia.
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nastup paranoidne šizofrenije.
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Nathaniel dropped out of Juilliard, he suffered a complete breakdown,
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Natanijel se ispisao sa Džulijarda, preživeo potpuni nervni slom,
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and 30 years later he was living homeless
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a 30 godina kasnije živeo je kao beskućnik
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on the streets of Skid Row in downtown Los Angeles.
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na ulicama zapuštenog naselja Skid Rou u centru Los Anđelesa.
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I encourage all of you to read Steve's book or to watch the movie
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Želim da vas podstaknem da pročitate Stivovu knjigu, ili pogledate film,
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to understand not only the beautiful bond
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da biste razumeli ne samo prelepu povezanost
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that formed between these two men,
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koja je nastala između ova dva čoveka,
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but how music helped shape that bond,
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već i kako je muzika uticala na stvaranje te veze
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and ultimately was instrumental -- if you'll pardon the pun --
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i na kraju bila zaslužna za - oprostite na izrazu -
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in helping Nathaniel get off the streets.
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to da Natanijela sklonimo sa ulice.
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I met Mr. Ayers in 2008,
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Gospodina Ajersa sam upoznao 2008,
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two years ago, at Walt Disney Concert Hall.
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pre dve godine, u Volt Diznijevoj koncertnoj dvorani.
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He had just heard a performance of Beethoven's First and Fourth symphonies,
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Upravo je čuo izvođenje Betovenove prve i četvrte simfonije,
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and came backstage and introduced himself.
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i došao je iza pozornice da se predstavi.
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He was speaking in a very jovial and gregarious way
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Sa radošću i druželjubivo je pričao
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about Yo-Yo Ma and Hillary Clinton
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o čembalisti Jo-Jo Mau i Hilari Klinton,
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and how the Dodgers were never going to make the World Series,
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i kako Dodžersi nikada neće ući u finale američkog bejzbola,
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all because of the treacherous first violin passage work
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i sve to zbog nesigurnog prvog odlomka violine
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in the last movement of Beethoven's Fourth Symphony.
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u zadnjem stavu Betovenove četvrte simfonije.
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And we got talking about music, and I got an email from Steve a few days later
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Započeli smo priču o muzici. Par dana kasnije dobio sam mejl od Stiva
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saying that Nathaniel was interested in a violin lesson with me.
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u kom kaže da Natanijel želi da mu držim časove violine.
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Now, I should mention that Nathaniel refuses treatment
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Trebao bih da napomenem da Natanijel odbija lečenje
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because when he was treated it was with shock therapy
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jer su ga lečili šok terapijom,
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and Thorazine and handcuffs,
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torazinom i lisicama,
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and that scar has stayed with him for his entire life.
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i to sećanje mu je ostalo za ceo život.
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But as a result now, he is prone to
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Ali kao rezultat toga, sada je sklon
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these schizophrenic episodes,
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tim šizofrenim epizodama.
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the worst of which can manifest themselves as
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Koje se u najgorem slučaju ispoljavaju tako što
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him exploding
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on pobesni,
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and then disappearing for days,
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nestane na nekoliko dana,
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wandering the streets of Skid Row,
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lutajući ulicama Skid Roua,
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exposed to its horrors, with the torment of his own mind
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predat svojim užasima, a njegovi unutrašnji demoni
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unleashed upon him.
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ga muče.
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And Nathaniel was in such a state of agitation
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Natanijel je bio toliko uzbuđen
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when we started our first lesson at Walt Disney Concert Hall --
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kada smo započeli prvi čas u Volt Diznijevoj koncertnoj dvorani
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he had a kind of manic glint in his eyes,
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da je imao mahnit sjaj u očima,
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he was lost.
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bio je izgubljen.
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And he was talking about
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Pričao je o
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invisible demons and smoke,
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nevidljivim demonima i dimu,
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and how someone was poisoning him in his sleep.
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i o tome kako ga neko truje u snu.
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And I was afraid,
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Ja sam se plašio,
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not for myself, but I was afraid
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ne zbog sebe, već
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that I was going to lose him,
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da ću ga izgubiti,
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that he was going to sink into one of his states,
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da će zapasti u neko od njegovih raspoloženja,
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and that I would ruin his relationship with the violin
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i da ću ja da pokvarim njegov odnos prema violini
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if I started talking about scales
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ako počnem da pričam o lestvicama
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and arpeggios and other exciting forms of
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i arpeđima i drugim uzbudljivim oblicima
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didactic violin pedagogy.
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didaktičke pedagogije violine.
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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So, I just started playing.
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Zato sam počeo da sviram.
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And I played the first movement of the Beethoven Violin Concerto.
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Svirao sam prvi stav Betovenovog koncerta za violinu.
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And as I played,
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I dok sam svirao
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I understood that there was a profound change
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shvatio sam da se desila duboka promena
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occurring in Nathaniel's eyes.
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u Natanijelovim očima.
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It was as if he was in the grip of some invisible pharmaceutical,
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Delovalo je kao da se nalazi u stisku nekog nevidljivog leka,
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a chemical reaction, for which my playing the music
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hemijske reakcije, za koju je to što sam svirao
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was its catalyst.
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bilo katalizator.
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And Nathaniel's manic rage
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Natanijelov mahniti bes
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was transformed into understanding,
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se pretvorio u razumevanje,
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a quiet curiosity and grace.
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tihu radoznalost, gracioznost.
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And in a miracle, he lifted his own violin
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I kao u čudu, on je podigao svoju violinu
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and he started playing, by ear,
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i počeo da po sluhu svira
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certain snippets of violin concertos
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određene isečke koncerata za violinu,
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which he then asked me to complete -- Mendelssohn,
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koje je tražio da dovršim, Mendelson,
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Tchaikovsky, Sibelius.
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Čajkovski, Sibelius.
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And we started talking about music, from Bach
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I tako smo počeli da pričamo o muzici, od Baha
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to Beethoven and Brahms,
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preko Betovena, do Bramsa,
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Bruckner, all the B's,
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Bruknera, svim na slovo B,
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from Bartók, all the way up to Esa-Pekka Salonen.
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od Bartoka, sve do Esa Peka Salonena.
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And I understood that he not only
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Shvatio sam da on ne samo da je
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had an encyclopedic knowledge of music,
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imao enciklopedijsko znanje o muzici,
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but he related to this music at a personal level.
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već i da je imao vrlo ličan odnos sa muzikom.
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He spoke about it with the kind of passion
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Pričao je o muzici sa onom vrstom strasti
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and understanding that I share with my colleagues
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i razumevanja koju imamo ja i moje kolege
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in the Los Angeles Philharmonic.
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u losanđeleskoj filharmoniji.
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And through playing music and talking about music,
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I kroz sviranje i pričanje o muzici
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this man had transformed
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on se od
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from the paranoid, disturbed man
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paranoičnog i poremećenog čoveka,
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that had just come from walking the streets
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koji je upravo došao sa ulica
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of downtown Los Angeles
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centra Los Anđelesa,
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to the charming, erudite,
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pretvorio u šarmantnog, obrazovanog,
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brilliant, Juilliard-trained musician.
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brilijantnog muzičara sa džulijardskim obrazovanjem.
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Music is medicine. Music changes us.
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Muzika je lek. Muzika nas menja.
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And for Nathaniel, music is sanity.
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A za Natanijela, muzika je zdrav um.
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Because music allows him to take his thoughts
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Jer mu muzika omogućava da uhvati svoje misli
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and delusions and shape them
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i zablude, i sprovede ih
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through his imagination and his creativity,
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svojom maštom i kreativnošću
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into reality.
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u stvarnost.
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And that is an escape
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A to je izlaz
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from his tormented state.
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iz njegovog mučnog stanja.
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And I understood that this was the very essence of art.
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Shvatio sam da je ovo sama bit umetnosti.
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This was the very reason why we made music,
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To je bio suštinski razlog zbog kog pravimo muziku,
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that we take something that exists within all of us
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što uzimamo nešto što postoji u svima nama,
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at our very fundamental core,
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u samoj našoj srži,
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our emotions,
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našim osećanjima,
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and through our artistic lens,
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i kroz našu umetničku prizmu,
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through our creativity, we're able to shape those emotions into reality.
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kroz našu kreativnost, mi prelamamo naša osećanja u stvarnost.
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And the reality of that expression
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Stvarnost tog izraza
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reaches all of us
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nas sve dotiče.
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and moves us, inspires and unites us.
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ganjava, inspiriše i ujedinjuje.
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And for Nathaniel,
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A za Natanijela
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music brought him back into a fold of friends.
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je muzika bila povratak u krug prijatelja.
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The redemptive power of music brought him back
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Iskupljujuća moć muzike ga je vratila
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into a family of musicians
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u porodicu muzičara
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that understood him,
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koja ga je razumela,
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that recognized his talents
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koja je prepoznala njegov talenat
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and respected him.
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i poštovala ga.
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And I will always make music with Nathaniel,
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Ja ću uvek svirati sa Natanijelom,
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whether we're at Walt Disney Concert Hall
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bilo da smo u Volt Diznijevoj koncertnoj dvorani
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or on Skid Row, because he reminds me
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ili na Skid Rou, zato što me on podseća na to
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why I became a musician.
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zašto sam postao muzičar.
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Thank you.
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Hvala.
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(Applause)
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(aplauz)
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Bruno Giussani: Thank you. Thanks.
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Bruno Đuzani: Hvala vam. Hvala.
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Robert Gupta.
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Robert Gupta.
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(Applause)
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(aplauz)
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Robert Gupta: I'm going to play something that I shamelessly stole from cellists.
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Robert Gupta: Želim da odsviram nešto što sam bestidno ukrao od čelista.
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So, please forgive me.
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Molim da mi oprostite.
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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(Music)
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(muzika)
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(Applause)
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(aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Robert Gupta - ViolinistViolinist Robert Gupta joined the LA Philharmonic at the age of 19 -- and maintains a passionate parallel interest in neurobiology and mental health issues. He's a TED Senior Fellow.
Why you should listen
Violinist Robert Vijay Gupta joined the Los Angeles Philharmonic at the age of 19. He made his solo debut, at age 11, with the Israel Philharmonic under Zubin Mehta. He has a Master's in music from Yale. But his undergraduate degree? Pre-med. As an undergrad, Gupta was part of several research projects in neuro- and neurodegenerative biology. He held Research Assistant positions at CUNY Hunter College in New York City, where he worked on spinal cord neuronal regeneration, and at the Harvard Institutes of Medicine Center for Neurologic Diseases, where he studied the biochemical pathology of Parkinson's disease.
Gupta is passionate about education and outreach, both as a musician and as an activist for mental health issues. He has the privilege of working with Nathaniel Ayers, the brilliant, schizophrenic musician featured in "The Soloist," as his violin teacher.
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