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Bryan Stevenson: We need to talk about an injustice
Brajan Stivenson (Bryan Stevenson): Moramo pričati o nepravdi!
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Advokat za ljudska prava, Brajan Stivensnon, u veoma inspirativnom i intimnom govoru, u kom se u sporednim ulogama pojavljuju njegova baka i Roza Parks, priča o mnogim problemima u američkom sistemu pravosuđa, a pre svega o sveprisutnoj neravnopravnosti rasa: trećina populacije muškaraca crnaca u Americi je za života provela neko vreme iza rešetaka. Retko se čuje neko ko tako otvoreno, ubedljivo i znalački priča o ovim problemima koji su upakovani u neistraženi deo američke istorije.
Bryan Stevenson - Public-interest lawyer
Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. Full bio
Bryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. Full bio
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Well this is a really extraordinary honor for me.
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Zaista sam počastvovan što sam ovde.
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I spend most of my time
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Uglavnom provodim vreme
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in jails, in prisons, on death row.
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u pritvorima, zatvorima, na izvršenju smrtne kazne.
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I spend most of my time in very low-income communities
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Najveći deo vremena provodim u siromašnim zajednicama,
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in the projects and places where there's a great deal of hopelessness.
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u komunama i mestima gde nema mnogo nade.
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And being here at TED
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Gostovanje na TED-u,
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and seeing the stimulation, hearing it,
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i doživljaj podsticaja ovde, saznanja,
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has been very, very energizing to me.
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su mi dali mnogo energije.
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And one of the things that's emerged in my short time here
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Ono što sam shvatio za vreme svog kratkog boravka ovde
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is that TED has an identity.
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jeste da TED ima identitet.
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And you can actually say things here
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Ovde možete saopštiti stvari
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that have impacts around the world.
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koje će imati uticaj širom sveta.
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And sometimes when it comes through TED,
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Ponekada, kada je to saopšteno na TED-u,
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it has meaning and power
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to ima veći značaj i moć,
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that it doesn't have when it doesn't.
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koju ne bi posedovalo bez TED-a.
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And I mention that because I think identity is really important.
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Govorim ovo jer smatram da je identitet značajan.
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And we've had some fantastic presentations.
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Videli smo fantastična predavanja.
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And I think what we've learned
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Mislim da smo naučili
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is that, if you're a teacher your words can be meaningful,
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da reči nastavnika mogu biti pune značenja,
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but if you're a compassionate teacher,
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ali reči strastvenih nastavnika,
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they can be especially meaningful.
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one mogu biti naročito značajne.
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If you're a doctor you can do some good things,
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Doktori mogu činiti dobre stvari,
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but if you're a caring doctor you can do some other things.
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ali ukoliko ste saosećajni doktor, onda činite neke druge stvari.
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And so I want to talk about the power of identity.
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Zato želim da pričam o moći identiteta.
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And I didn't learn about this actually
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Nisam to naučio ustvari
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practicing law and doing the work that I do.
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baveći se pravom i radom koji činim.
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I actually learned about this from my grandmother.
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To sam naučio od svoje bake.
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I grew up in a house
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Odrastao sam u tradicionalnoj
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that was the traditional African-American home
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afro-američkoj familiji,
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that was dominated by a matriarch,
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u kojoj dominira matrijarhat,
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and that matriarch was my grandmother.
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a on je bio oličen u mojoj baki.
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She was tough, she was strong,
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Bila je stroga, bila je jaka,
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she was powerful.
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bila je moćna.
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She was the end of every argument in our family.
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Ona je završavala svaku raspravu u našoj porodici.
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She was the beginning of a lot of arguments in our family.
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Bila je i začetnik mnogih rasprava u našoj porodici.
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She was the daughter of people who were actually enslaved.
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Bila je ćerka ljudi koji su bili porobljeni.
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Her parents were born in slavery in Virginia in the 1840's.
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Njeni roditelji su rođeni u ropstvu, u Virdžiniji 1840-tih.
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She was born in the 1880's
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Ona je rođena 1880-tih,
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and the experience of slavery
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i iskustvo ropstva
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very much shaped the way she saw the world.
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je poprilično obilikovalo način na koji gleda na svet.
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And my grandmother was tough, but she was also loving.
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Moja baka je bila stroga, ali puna ljubavi.
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When I would see her as a little boy,
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Kada bih je video dok sam bio dečačić,
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she'd come up to me and she'd give me these hugs.
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ona bi mi prišla i grlila me.
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And she'd squeeze me so tight I could barely breathe
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Tako bi me snažno zagrlila da nisam mogao da dišem,
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and then she'd let me go.
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a onda bi me pustila.
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And an hour or two later, if I saw her,
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Ukoliko bih je ugledao sat ili dva kasnije,
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she'd come over to me and she'd say, "Bryan, do you still feel me hugging you?"
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prišla bi mi i pitala: "Brajane, da li još uvek osećaš moj zagrljaj?"
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And if I said, "No," she'd assault me again,
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Ukoliko bih rekao: "Ne", prigrabila bi me opet,
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and if I said, "Yes," she'd leave me alone.
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a ukoliko bih rekao "Da", ostavila bi me na miru.
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And she just had this quality
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Odlikovala se time da
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that you always wanted to be near her.
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ste uvek želeli da budete blizu nje.
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And the only challenge was that she had 10 children.
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Izazov je bio u tome što je imala desetoro dece.
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My mom was the youngest of her 10 kids.
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Moja majka je bila najmlađa.
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And sometimes when I would go and spend time with her,
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Kada bih ponekada otišao da provedem vreme sa njom,
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it would be difficult to get her time and attention.
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bilo je teško osvojiti njenu pažnju.
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My cousins would be running around everywhere.
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Moji rođaci bi jurcali posvuda.
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And I remember, when I was about eight or nine years old,
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Sećam se da sam se probudio jednog jutra, kada mi je bilo
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waking up one morning, going into the living room,
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osam ili devet godina, otišao sam u dnevnu sobu,
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and all of my cousins were running around.
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i svi moji rođaci su jurcali naokolo.
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And my grandmother was sitting across the room
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Baka je sedela na drugom kraju sobe,
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staring at me.
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i zurila je u mene.
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And at first I thought we were playing a game.
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Pomislio sam prvo da se igramo neke igre.
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And I would look at her and I'd smile,
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Pogledao sam je i nasmejao se,
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but she was very serious.
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ali je ona bila veoma ozbiljna.
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And after about 15 or 20 minutes of this,
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Nakon 15 ili 20 minuta ove igre,
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she got up and she came across the room
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ona je ustala i došla sa drugog kraja sobe,
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and she took me by the hand
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uhvatila me je za ruku
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and she said, "Come on, Bryan. You and I are going to have a talk."
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i rekla: "Hajmo, Brajane. Sada ćemo da popričamo."
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And I remember this just like it happened yesterday.
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Sećam se toga kao da je bilo juče.
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I never will forget it.
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Nikada to neću zaboraviti.
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She took me out back and she said, "Bryan, I'm going to tell you something,
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Izvela me je napolje i rekla: "Brajan, rećiću ti nešto,
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but you don't tell anybody what I tell you."
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ali nikome nemoj to reći."
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I said, "Okay, Mama."
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Rekao sam: "U redu, bako."
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She said, "Now you make sure you don't do that." I said, "Sure."
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Rekla je: "Postaraj se da ne uradiš to." Rekoh: "Sigurno."
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Then she sat me down and she looked at me
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Onda me je posadila, pogledala me
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and she said, "I want you to know
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i rekla: "Želim da znaš
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I've been watching you."
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da sam te posmatrala."
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And she said, "I think you're special."
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Rekla je: "Mislim da si poseban."
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She said, "I think you can do anything you want to do."
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Rekla je: "Mislim da možeš da uradiš šta god poželiš."
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I will never forget it.
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Nikada to neću zaboraviti.
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And then she said, "I just need you to promise me three things, Bryan."
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A onda je rekla: "Ali moraš mi obećati tri stvari, Brajane."
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I said, "Okay, Mama."
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Rekoh: "U redu, bako."
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She said, "The first thing I want you to promise me
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Rekla je: "Prvo želim da mi obećaš
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is that you'll always love your mom."
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da ćeš uvek voleti svoju majku."
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She said, "That's my baby girl,
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Rekla je: "To je moja devojčica,
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and you have to promise me now you'll always take care of her."
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i moraš mi obećati da ćeš se uvek starati o njoj."
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Well I adored my mom, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Obožavao sam svoju majku, pa sam rekao: "Da, bako. Učiniću to."
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Then she said, "The second thing I want you to promise me
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Onda je rekla: "Potom želim da mi obećaš
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is that you'll always do the right thing
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da ćeš uvek uraditi ispravnu stvar
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even when the right thing is the hard thing."
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čak i kada je to teži put."
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And I thought about it and I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Razmislio sam o tome i rekao sam: "Da, bako. Uradiću to."
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Then finally she said, "The third thing I want you to promise me
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Na kraju je rekla: "Treća stvar koju želim da mi obećaš
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is that you'll never drink alcohol."
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je da nikada nećeš piti alkohol."
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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Well I was nine years old, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."
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Imao sam devet godina, te rekoh: "Da, bako. Učiniću to."
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I grew up in the country in the rural South,
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Odrastao sam na selu, u seoskom delu juga,
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and I have a brother a year older than me and a sister a year younger.
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imao sam godinu dana starijeg brata i godinu dana mlađu sestru.
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When I was about 14 or 15,
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Kada mi je bilo 14 ili 15
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one day my brother came home and he had this six-pack of beer --
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jednog dana je moj brat došao kući sa gajbom piva,
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I don't know where he got it --
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ne znam gde je nabavio,
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and he grabbed me and my sister and we went out in the woods.
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i poveo je mene i sestru u šumu.
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And we were kind of just out there doing the stuff we crazily did.
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Zanimali smo se napolju radeći ludosti koje smo uglavnom radili.
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And he had a sip of this beer and he gave some to my sister and she had some,
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On je popio gutljaj piva, dao je pivo mojoj sestri, ona je popila malo,
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and they offered it to me.
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i ponudili su i meni.
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I said, "No, no, no. That's okay. You all go ahead. I'm not going to have any beer."
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ne, ne. U redu je. Vi se zabavite. Neću da pijem pivo."
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My brother said, "Come on. We're doing this today; you always do what we do.
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Moj brat je rekao: "Ma hajde. To danas radimo, ti uvek radiš što i mi.
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I had some, your sister had some. Have some beer."
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Ja sam popio, i tvoja sestra. Popij pivo."
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I said, "No, I don't feel right about that. Y'all go ahead. Y'all go ahead."
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Rekao sam: "Ne, ne sviđa mi se ta ideja. Samo napred. Samo napred."
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And then my brother started staring at me.
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Tada je moj brat počeo da zuri u mene.
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He said, "What's wrong with you? Have some beer."
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Pitao me je: "Šta je sa tobom? Popij pivo."
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Then he looked at me real hard and he said,
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Onda me je prostrelio pogledom i rekao:
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"Oh, I hope you're not still hung up
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"A, nadam se da nisi i dalje opsednut
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on that conversation Mama had with you."
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razgovorom za bakom."
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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I said, "Well, what are you talking about?"
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Rekao sam: "Ma o čemu pričaš?"
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He said, "Oh, Mama tells all the grandkids that they're special."
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Rekao je: "Pa baka govori svim unucima da su posebni."
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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I was devastated.
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To me je pokosilo.
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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And I'm going to admit something to you.
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Priznaću vam nešto.
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I'm going to tell you something I probably shouldn't.
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Rećiću vam nešto što verovatno ne bi trebalo.
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I know this might be broadcast broadly.
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Znam da će ovo možda biti puštano širom sveta.
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But I'm 52 years old,
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Imam 52 godine,
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and I'm going to admit to you
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i priznaću vam
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that I've never had a drop of alcohol.
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da nikada nisam okusio alkohol.
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(Applause)
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(aplauz)
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I don't say that because I think that's virtuous;
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Ne kažem to jer mislim da je to nešto posebno,
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I say that because there is power in identity.
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kažem jer u tome postoji moć identiteta.
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When we create the right kind of identity,
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Kada izgradimo pravi tip identiteta,
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we can say things to the world around us
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možemo poručiti svetu neke stvari
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that they don't actually believe makes sense.
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za koje ne veruju da imaju smisla.
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We can get them to do things
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Možemo ih motivisati da urade stvari
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that they don't think they can do.
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koje smatraju da ne mogu da urade.
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When I thought about my grandmother,
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Kada razmislim o baki,
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of course she would think all her grandkids were special.
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naravno da je mislila da su svi njeni unuci posebni.
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My grandfather was in prison during prohibition.
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Moj deda je bio u zatvoru za vreme prohibicije.
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My male uncles died of alcohol-related diseases.
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Moji ujaci su umrli od posledica bolesti alkoholizma.
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And these were the things she thought we needed to commit to.
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Ona je smatrala da treba da se identifikujemo sa tim stvarima.
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Well I've been trying to say something
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Ja sam pokušavao da poručim nešto
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about our criminal justice system.
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o našem sistemu pravde.
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This country is very different today
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Ova zemlja se razlikuje danas
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than it was 40 years ago.
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u odnosu na zemlju pre 40 godina.
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In 1972, there were 300,000 people in jails and prisons.
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1972. je bilo 300 000 ljudi u pritvorima i zatvorima.
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Today, there are 2.3 million.
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Danas, taj broj je 2,3 miliona.
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The United States now has the highest rate of incarceration
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Najveća stopa pritvora u svetu je danas
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in the world.
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u Sjedinjenim Državama.
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We have seven million people on probation and parole.
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Sedam miliona ljudi je na uslovnoj kazni i posmatranju.
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And mass incarceration, in my judgment,
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Masovno pritvaranje je po meni
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has fundamentally changed our world.
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promenilo naš svet u osnovi.
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In poor communities, in communities of color
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U siromašnim zajednicama, nebelačkim populacijama,
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there is this despair,
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vidi se očaj,
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there is this hopelessness,
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vlada beznađe,
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that is being shaped by these outcomes.
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koje je uzrokovano ovim rezultatima.
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One out of three black men
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Jedan od tri crnca
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between the ages of 18 and 30
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između 18 i 30 godina je
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is in jail, in prison, on probation or parole.
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u pritvoru, zatvoru, uslovnoj ili posmatranju.
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In urban communities across this country --
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U urbanim zajednicama širom zemlje,
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Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington --
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u Los Anđelesu, Filadelfiji, Baltimoru, Vašingtonu,
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50 to 60 percent of all young men of color are
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50 do 60 odsto mladih nebelaca
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in jail or prison or on probation or parole.
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su u zatvoru, pritvoru, na uslovnoj ili posmatranju.
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Our system isn't just being shaped
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Naš sistem nije samo oblikovan
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in these ways that seem to be distorting around race,
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na načine koji izgledaju određeni rasom,
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they're also distorted by poverty.
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već i siromaštvom.
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We have a system of justice in this country
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Sistem pravde u ovoj zemlji se odnosi
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that treats you much better
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prema vama mnogo bolje
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if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent.
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ukoliko ste bogati i krivi, nego siromašni i nevini.
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Wealth, not culpability,
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Bogatstvo, ne krivica,
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shapes outcomes.
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određuje rezultat.
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And yet, we seem to be very comfortable.
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Ali, čini se da nam je to prirodno.
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The politics of fear and anger
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Politike straha i ljutnje
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have made us believe
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su učinile da verujemo
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that these are problems that are not our problems.
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da ovi problemi nisu naši problemi.
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We've been disconnected.
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Bili smo otuđeni od toga.
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It's interesting to me.
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Mene to zanima.
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We're looking at some very interesting developments in our work.
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Svedoci smo veoma zanimljivog razvoja u našem poslu.
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My state of Alabama, like a number of states,
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Država u kojoj radim, Alabama, kao i mnoge druge,
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actually permanently disenfranchises you
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vam trajno oduzima pravo glasanja
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if you have a criminal conviction.
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ukoliko ste bili zakonski osuđeni za krivično delo.
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Right now in Alabama
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U ovom trenutku, u Alabami,
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34 percent of the black male population
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34 odsto muške populacije crnaca
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has permanently lost the right to vote.
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je trajno izgubilo pravo glasanja.
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We're actually projecting in another 10 years
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Izračunali smo da će za 10 godiina
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the level of disenfranchisement
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stopa oduzimanja prava na glasanje
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will be as high as it's been
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biti onoliko visoka koliko je bila
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since prior to the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
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pre nego što je usvojen Akt o pravu na glasanje.
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And there is this stunning silence.
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A opet, niko ne priča o tome.
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I represent children.
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Ja zastupam decu.
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A lot of my clients are very young.
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Mnogi moji klijenti su veoma mladi.
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The United States is the only country in the world
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Jedino se u Sjedinjenim Državama na ovom svetu
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where we sentence 13-year-old children
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trinaestogodišnjaci osuđuju
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to die in prison.
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da umru u zatvoru.
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We have life imprisonment without parole for kids in this country.
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Postoji kazna na doživotnu robiju bez prava na uslovnu slobodu u ovoj državi.
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And we're actually doing some litigation.
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Ustvari, i sprovodimo neka suđenja.
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The only country in the world.
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Jedina zemlja na svetu.
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I represent people on death row.
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Zastupan ljude osuđene na smrtnu kaznu.
07:56
It's interesting, this question of the death penalty.
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Zanimljivo je pitanje smrtne kazne.
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In many ways, we've been taught to think
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Na mnogo načina su nas učili da mislimo
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that the real question is,
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da je pravo pitanje:
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do people deserve to die for the crimes they've committed?
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"Da li ljudi zaslužuju da umru za zločine koje su počinili?"
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And that's a very sensible question.
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To pitanje ima smisla.
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But there's another way of thinking
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Ali možemo sagledati i drugi način
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about where we are in our identity.
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aspekte našeg identiteta.
08:11
The other way of thinking about it
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Drugi način razmišljanja
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is not, do people deserve to die for the crimes they commit,
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ne razmatra da li ljudi zaslužuju da umru zbog počinjenih zločina,
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but do we deserve to kill?
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već da li mi zaslužujemo da ubijemo?
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I mean, it's fascinating.
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To je zaista fascinantno.
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Death penalty in America is defined by error.
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Smrtna kazna u Americi je okarakterisana greškom.
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For every nine people who have been executed,
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Jedan od devet ljudi koji je osuđen na smrt,
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we've actually identified one innocent person
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je bio nevin,
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who's been exonerated and released from death row.
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bio je oslobođen optužbi i oslobođen smrtne kazne.
08:29
A kind of astonishing error rate --
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Neverovatan procenat greške,
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one out of nine people innocent.
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jedan od devet ljudi je nevin.
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I mean, it's fascinating.
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Zar to nije fascinantno?
08:37
In aviation, we would never let people fly on airplanes
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Nikada ne bismo dozvolili ljudima da se voze avionom,
08:40
if for every nine planes that took off
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ukoliko bi svaki deveti avion koji poleti
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one would crash.
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pao.
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But somehow we can insulate ourselves from this problem.
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Ali mi nekako možemo da se ogradimo od ovog problema.
08:47
It's not our problem.
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To nije naš problem.
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It's not our burden.
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Nije to naš teret.
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It's not our struggle.
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Nije to naša borba.
08:53
I talk a lot about these issues.
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Mnogo pričam o ovim stvarima.
08:55
I talk about race and this question
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Pričam o rasama i pitanju
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of whether we deserve to kill.
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da li zaslužujemo da ubijemo.
08:59
And it's interesting, when I teach my students about African-American history,
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Zanimljivo je da kada studentima predajem afro-američku isotriju,
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I tell them about slavery.
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ja njima pričam o ropstvu.
09:03
I tell them about terrorism,
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Pričam im o terorizmu,
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the era that began at the end of reconstruction
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period koji je otpočeo nakon Građanskog rata
09:07
that went on to World War II.
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i produžio se do Drugog svetskog rata.
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We don't really know very much about it.
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Ne znamo ustvari mnogo o tome.
09:11
But for African-Americans in this country,
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Ali za Afro-Amerikance u ovoj zemlji je to bio period
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that was an era defined by terror.
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obeležen terorom.
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In many communities, people had to worry about being lynched.
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Ljudi su u mnogim zajednicama bili linčovani.
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They had to worry about being bombed.
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Brinuli su o bombardovanju.
09:19
It was the threat of terror that shaped their lives.
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Pretnja terorom je oblikovala njihove živote.
09:21
And these older people come up to me now
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Stariji ljudi mi sada prilaze
09:23
and they say, "Mr. Stevenson, you give talks, you make speeches,
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i govore: "G-dine Stivenson, vi predajete, držite govore,
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you tell people to stop saying
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kažite ljudima da prestanu da pričaju
09:28
we're dealing with terrorism for the first time in our nation's history
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kako se po prvi put u istoriji ove nacije nosimo sa terorizmom
09:31
after 9/11."
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posle 11. septembra."
09:33
They tell me to say, "No, tell them that we grew up with that."
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Kažu mi da saopštim: "Ne, reci im da smo mi sa tim odrasli."
09:36
And that era of terrorism, of course,
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Period terorizma je naravno
09:38
was followed by segregation
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praćen raslojavanjem
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and decades of racial subordination
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i decenijama rasnog potčinjavanja
09:42
and apartheid.
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i aparthejdom.
09:44
And yet, we have in this country this dynamic
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A opet, nekako u ovoj zemlji baš
09:47
where we really don't like to talk about our problems.
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i ne volimo da pričamo o svojim problemima.
09:50
We don't like to talk about our history.
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Ne volimo da pričamo o našoj istoriji.
09:53
And because of that, we really haven't understood
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Baš usled toga nismo razumeli
09:56
what it's meant to do the things we've done historically.
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šta je značilo to što smo kroz istoriju činili.
09:59
We're constantly running into each other.
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Sve vreme se vrtimo u krug.
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We're constantly creating tensions and conflicts.
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Stalno stvaramo napetost i probleme.
10:03
We have a hard time talking about race,
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Nerado prihvatamo priče o rasama,
10:06
and I believe it's because we are unwilling to commit ourselves
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i verujem da se koren toga nalazi u našoj nespremnosti
10:10
to a process of truth and reconciliation.
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da prihvatimo istinu i pomirenje.
10:12
In South Africa, people understood
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U Južnoj Africi su shvatili
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that we couldn't overcome apartheid
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da ne možemo prevazići aparthejd
10:16
without a commitment to truth and reconciliation.
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bez spremnosti da prihvatimo istinu i pomirenje.
10:18
In Rwanda, even after the genocide, there was this commitment,
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Čak su i nakon genocida u Ruandi ljudi bili spremni na to,
10:21
but in this country we haven't done that.
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ali u ovoj zemlji to nikada nismo učinili.
10:23
I was giving some lectures in Germany about the death penalty.
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Držao sam predavanja u Nemačkoj o smrtnoj kazni.
10:26
It was fascinating
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Bio sam oduševljen,
10:28
because one of the scholars stood up after the presentation
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jer je jedan od učenika prokomentarisao nakon
10:31
and said, "Well you know it's deeply troubling
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mog predavanja: "Veoma je uznemiravajuće
10:33
to hear what you're talking about."
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to što pričaš."
10:35
He said, "We don't have the death penalty in Germany.
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Rekao je: "Mi nemamo smrtnu kaznu u Nemačkoj.
10:38
And of course, we can never have the death penalty in Germany."
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I naravno, mi nikada nećemo imati smrtnu kaznu u Nemačkoj."
10:41
And the room got very quiet,
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Svi su zanemeli,
10:43
and this woman said,
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a onda je žena rekla:
10:45
"There's no way, with our history,
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"Nemoguće je, ako sagledamo našu istoriju,
10:48
we could ever engage
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da mi podržimo
10:50
in the systematic killing of human beings.
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sistemsko ubiljanje ljudi.
10:52
It would be unconscionable for us
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To bi bilo nesavesno,
10:56
to, in an intentional and deliberate way,
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da prosto otvorenim i planiranim pristupom
10:58
set about executing people."
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ubijamo ljude."
11:01
And I thought about that.
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Razmislio sam o tome.
11:03
What would it feel like
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Kako bi izgledalo
11:05
to be living in a world
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da živite u svetu
11:07
where the nation state of Germany was executing people,
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u kom Nemačka osuđuje ljude na smrt,
11:10
especially if they were disproportionately Jewish?
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i ako se desi da su osuđeni mahom Jevreji?
11:12
I couldn't bear it.
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Nisam mogao to da podnesem.
11:14
It would be unconscionable.
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Bilo je nepojmivo.
11:16
And yet, in this country,
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A u ovoj državi,
11:18
in the states of the Old South,
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u regionima starog juga,
11:20
we execute people --
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mi osuđujemo ljude na smrt,
11:22
where you're 11 times more likely to get the death penalty
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gde je verovatnoća te presude 11 puta veća
11:24
if the victim is white than if the victim is black,
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ukoliko je žrtva belac,
11:26
22 times more likely to get it
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a 22 puta je veća verovatnoća
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if the defendant is black and the victim is white --
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ukoliko je osumnjičeni crnac.
11:30
in the very states where there are buried in the ground
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U istim tim državama gde su zakopana u zemlju
11:32
the bodies of people who were lynched.
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tela linčovanih ljudi.
11:34
And yet, there is this disconnect.
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A opet, postoji ta otuđenost.
11:38
Well I believe that our identity is at risk.
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Verujem da je naš identitet u krizi.
11:42
That when we actually don't care
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Čak i kada ne vodimo računa
11:45
about these difficult things,
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o ovim teškim stvarima,
11:48
the positive and wonderful things
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u to su uključene pozitivne
11:50
are nonetheless implicated.
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i prelepe stvari.
11:53
We love innovation.
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Obožavamo izume.
11:55
We love technology. We love creativity.
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I tehnologiju. I kreativnost.
11:58
We love entertainment.
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Volimo zabavu.
12:00
But ultimately,
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Ali na kraju dana,
12:02
those realities
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sve to je senka
12:04
are shadowed by suffering,
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veće patnje,
12:07
abuse, degradation,
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iskorištavanja, nipodaštavanja,
12:09
marginalization.
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marginalizacije.
12:11
And for me, it becomes necessary
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Smatram da je prosto neophodno
12:13
to integrate the two.
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da sve to bude integrisano.
12:15
Because ultimately we are talking
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Jer u suštini mi pričamo
12:17
about a need to be more hopeful,
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o potrebi da budemo više od pomoći,
12:19
more committed, more dedicated
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posvećeniji, više usredređeni,
12:22
to the basic challenges of living in a complex world.
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na osnovne izazove života u ovom složenom svetu.
12:25
And for me that means
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Za mene to znači da treba
12:28
spending time thinking and talking
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da provedem vreme razmišljajući o i pričajući sa
12:30
about the poor, the disadvantaged,
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siromašnima, onima bez prednosti,
12:33
those who will never get to TED.
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onima koji nikada neće biti na TED-u.
12:35
But thinking about them in a way
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Ali treba i te ljude zamisliti
12:37
that is integrated in our own lives.
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kao sastavne delove naših života.
12:39
You know ultimately, we all have to believe things we haven't seen.
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Naposletku, svi treba da verujemo u stvari koje nismo videli.
12:43
We do. As rational as we are, as committed to intellect as we are.
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Zaista. Koliko god da smo racionalni i posvećeni intelektu.
12:47
Innovation, creativity,
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Izumi, kreativnost,
12:49
development comes
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razvoj nalazi korene
12:51
not from the ideas in our mind alone.
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ne u našem izolovanom umu.
12:53
They come from the ideas in our mind
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Oni se rađaju iz ideja u našem umu
12:56
that are also fueled
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koje su takođe nadahnute
12:58
by some conviction in our heart.
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pobudama našeg srca.
13:00
And it's that mind-heart connection
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Ja upravo verujem da je
13:02
that I believe compels us
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ta veza između srca i uma ono što
13:04
to not just be attentive
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nas navodi da obraćamo pažnju
13:06
to all the bright and dazzly things,
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ne samo na lepe i očaravajuće stvari,
13:09
but also the dark and difficult things.
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već i na one mračne i teške.
13:12
Vaclav Havel, the great Czech leader, talked about this.
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Vaclav Havel, veliki vođa Čeha, je pričao o tome.
13:15
He said, "When we were in Eastern Europe and dealing with oppression,
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Rekao je: "Kada smo bili deo istočne Evrope, pod velikim pritiskom,
13:18
we wanted all kinds of things,
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želeli smo razne stvari,
13:20
but mostly what we needed was hope,
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ali pre svega želeli smo nadu,
13:22
an orientation of the spirit,
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usmerenje našeg duha,
13:24
a willingness to sometimes be in hopeless places
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spremnost da se ponekada nađemo na beznadežnom mestu
13:26
and be a witness."
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i budemo očevici."
13:28
Well that orientation of the spirit
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Takvo duhovno usmerenje
13:30
is very much at the core of what I believe
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je zaista srž onoga što ja smatram da treba
13:33
even TED communities
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da bude deo i same
13:35
have to be engaged in.
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TED zajednice.
13:37
There is no disconnect
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Ne postoji otuđenost
13:39
around technology and design
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tehnologije i dizajna
13:42
that will allow us to be fully human
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koja će nam dozvoliti da budemo zaista ljudi,
13:44
until we pay attention to suffering,
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dok se ne bavimo isto tako i patnjom,
13:47
to poverty, to exclusion, to unfairness, to injustice.
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siromaštvom, isključenošću, nepravdom.
13:50
Now I will warn you
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Upozoriću vas da je
13:52
that this kind of identity
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ta vrsta identiteta
13:54
is a much more challenging identity
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mnogo zahtevnija u odnosu na
13:57
than ones that don't pay attention to this.
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onaj tip koji na to ne obraća pažnju.
13:59
It will get to you.
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Shvatićete to.
14:01
I had the great privilege, when I was a young lawyer, of meeting Rosa Parks.
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Kada sam bio mladi advokat, imao sam čast da upoznam Rozu Parks.
14:04
And Ms. Parks used to come back to Montgomery every now and then,
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S vremena na vreme g-đa Parks je dolazila u Montgomeri,
14:07
and she would get together with two of her dearest friends,
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kako bi se našla sa svoje dve najbolje prijateljice,
14:09
these older women,
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starije žene,
14:11
Johnnie Carr who was the organizer
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Džoni Kar, koja je organizovala
14:13
of the Montgomery bus boycott --
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bojkot bus linije Montgomeri
14:15
amazing African-American woman --
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i neverovatne žene afro-američkog porekla,
14:17
and Virginia Durr, a white woman,
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i Virdžinijom Dur, belkinjom,
14:19
whose husband, Clifford Durr, represented Dr. King.
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čiji je muž, Kliford Dur, zastupao dr Kinga,
14:21
And these women would get together and just talk.
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One bi se našle i ćaskale.
14:24
And every now and then Ms. Carr would call me,
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S vremena na vreme g-đa Kar bi me pozvala
14:26
and she'd say, "Bryan, Ms. Parks is coming to town. We're going to get together and talk.
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i rekla: "Brajane, g-đa Parks dolazi u grad. Naći ćemo se i razgovarati.
14:29
Do you want to come over and listen?"
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Da li želiš da nam se pridružiš?"
14:31
And I'd say, "Yes, Ma'am, I do."
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Ja bih rekao: "Da, naravno."
14:33
And she'd say, "Well what are you going to do when you get here?"
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Ona bi rekla: "I šta ćeš raditi kada se nađemo?"
14:35
I said, "I'm going to listen."
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Ja bih rekao: "Slušaću vas."
14:37
And I'd go over there and I would, I would just listen.
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Ja bih im se pridružio i samo bih ih slušao.
14:39
It would be so energizing and so empowering.
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To mi je davalo energiju i motivaciju.
14:41
And one time I was over there listening to these women talk,
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Jednom prilikom sam se našao sa njima i slušao njihov razgovor,
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and after a couple of hours Ms. Parks turned to me
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i nakon nekoliko sati, g-đa Parks se okrenula ka meni
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and she said, "Now Bryan, tell me what the Equal Justice Initiative is.
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i pitala me: "Pa, Brajane, reci mi šta predstavlja 'Pokret jednake pravde'.
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Tell me what you're trying to do."
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Reci mi šta pokušavaš da uradiš."
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And I began giving her my rap.
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Počeo sam sa svojim izveštajem.
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I said, "Well we're trying to challenge injustice.
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Rekao sam: "Pa, pokušavamo da se suprotstavimo nepravdi.
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We're trying to help people who have been wrongly convicted.
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Pokušavamo da pomognemo onima koji su nepravedno osuđeni.
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We're trying to confront bias and discrimination
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Pokušavamo da se nosimo sa predrasudama i diskriminacijom
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in the administration of criminal justice.
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u sistemu administracije krivičnog prava.
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We're trying to end life without parole sentences for children.
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Želimo da se izborimo za ukidanje kazni za decu.
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We're trying to do something about the death penalty.
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Želimo da utičemo na proces smrtne kazne.
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We're trying to reduce the prison population.
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Želimo da redukujemo broj ljudi u zatvorima.
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We're trying to end mass incarceration."
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Želimo da zaustavimo oduzimanje prava na glas."
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I gave her my whole rap, and when I finished she looked at me
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Kada sam završio sa izveštajem, pogledala me je
15:12
and she said, "Mmm mmm mmm."
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i rekla: "Hmm, mmm mmm."
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She said, "That's going to make you tired, tired, tired."
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Rekla je: "Bićeš umoran, umoran, umoran."
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(Laughter)
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(smeh)
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And that's when Ms. Carr leaned forward, she put her finger in my face,
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U tom momentu se g-đa Kar primakla meni, i stavila je prst na moje lice,
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she said, "That's why you've got to be brave, brave, brave."
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i rekla: "I zbog toga treba da budeš hrabar, hrabar, hrabar."
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And I actually believe that the TED community
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Ja zaista verujem da bi TED zajednica
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needs to be more courageous.
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trebalo da bude hrabrija.
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We need to find ways
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Trebalo bi da nađemo načine
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to embrace these challenges,
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da se nosimo sa ovim izazovima,
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these problems, the suffering.
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problemima, patnjom.
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Because ultimately, our humanity depends
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Jer na kraju dana, naša humanost
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on everyone's humanity.
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zavisi od humanosti svih ljudi.
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I've learned very simple things doing the work that I do.
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Naučio sam jednostavne stvari baveći se ovim radom.
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It's just taught me very simple things.
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To me je naučilo jednostavnim stvarima.
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I've come to understand and to believe
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Shvatio sam i verujem da je
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that each of us
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svako od nas
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is more than the worst thing we've ever done.
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mnogo više od najgore stvari koje je učinio.
15:55
I believe that for every person on the planet.
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Smatram da je to tačno za sve ljude na ovoj planeti.
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I think if somebody tells a lie, they're not just a liar.
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Ukoliko neko kaže laž, on nije samo lažov.
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I think if somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them,
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Ukoliko neko uzme nešto što mu ne pripada,
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they're not just a thief.
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ta osoba nije samo lopov.
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I think even if you kill someone, you're not just a killer.
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Čak i ako ubijete nekoga, niste samo ubica.
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And because of that there's this basic human dignity
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Usled toga postoji osnovno ljudsko dostojanstvo
16:11
that must be respected by law.
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koje zakon mora poštovati.
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I also believe
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Takođe verujem
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that in many parts of this country,
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da u mnogim delovima ove države,
16:17
and certainly in many parts of this globe,
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a sigurno na mnogim mestima na ovoj planeti,
16:21
that the opposite of poverty is not wealth.
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suprotnost siromaštvu nije bogatstvo.
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I don't believe that.
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Ne verujem u to.
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I actually think, in too many places,
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Mislim da je ustvari na mnogim mestima
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the opposite of poverty is justice.
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pravda suprotnost siromaštva.
16:31
And finally, I believe
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Na kraju, verujem da
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that, despite the fact that it is so dramatic
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bez obzira što je sve to tako dramatično,
16:37
and so beautiful and so inspiring
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lepo, inspirišuće,
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and so stimulating,
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pokretačko,
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we will ultimately not be judged by our technology,
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mi nećemo biti ocenjeni na osnovu naše tehnologije,
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we won't be judged by our design,
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niti će nas oceniti po našem dizajnu,
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we won't be judged by our intellect and reason.
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niti po intelektu i rezonovanju.
16:50
Ultimately, you judge the character of a society,
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U krajnjoj liniji, karakter društva se ne ocenjuje
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not by how they treat their rich and the powerful and the privileged,
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na osnovu odnosa prema bogatima, moćnima i privilegovanima,
16:56
but by how they treat the poor,
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već prema tome kako se odnosi prema siromašnima,
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the condemned, the incarcerated.
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osuđenima, ljudima u zatvoru.
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Because it's in that nexus
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Upravo u tom segmentu
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that we actually begin to understand truly profound things
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mi počinjemo da suštinski da shvatamo
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about who we are.
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ko smo mi.
17:09
I sometimes get out of balance. I'll end with this story.
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Nekada izgubim svoj balans. Završiću sa ovom pričom.
17:11
I sometimes push too hard.
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Ponekada previše pokušavam.
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I do get tired, as we all do.
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Umorim se, kao i svi mi.
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Sometimes those ideas get ahead of our thinking
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Ponekada ideje trče ispred nas
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in ways that are important.
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na veoma značajan način.
17:20
And I've been representing these kids
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Branio sam klince
17:22
who have been sentenced to do these very harsh sentences.
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koji su osuđeni na vrlo teške kazne.
17:24
And I go to the jail and I see my client who's 13 and 14,
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Odem u zatvor u posetu klijentu kom je 13 ili 14 godina,
17:27
and he's been certified to stand trial as an adult.
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a određeno je da mu se sudi kao odrasloj osobi.
17:30
I start thinking, well, how did that happen?
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Pomislim: "Kako se to desilo?
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How can a judge turn you into something
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Kako sudija može da vas preokrene u
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that you're not?
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nešto što niste?"
17:36
And the judge has certified him as an adult, but I see this kid.
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Sudija ga je obeležio kao odraslu osobu, ali ja radim sa detetom.
17:39
And I was up too late one night and I starting thinking,
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Dugo sam radio jedne noći i počeo sam da razmilšljam,
17:41
well gosh, if the judge can turn you into something that you're not,
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da ukoliko sudija može da vas preobrati u nešto što niste,
17:43
the judge must have magic power.
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sudija sigurno ima magičnu moć.
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Yeah, Bryan, the judge has some magic power.
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Da, Brajane, sudija ima magičnu moć.
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You should ask for some of that.
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Trebalo bi da zamoliš za delić toga.
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And because I was up too late, wasn't thinking real straight,
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Obzirom da je bilo veoma kasno, nisam baš jasno razmišljao,
17:52
I started working on a motion.
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počeo sam da radim na predmetu.
17:54
And I had a client who was 14 years old, a young, poor black kid.
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Moj klijent je imao 14 godina, mlad, siromašni crnac.
17:57
And I started working on this motion,
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Počeo sam da sastavljam zvanični predlog,
17:59
and the head of the motion was: "Motion to try my poor,
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a naslov samog predloga bio je: "Predlog da vodite postupak protiv mog
18:01
14-year-old black male client
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siromašnog, četrnaestogodišnjeg klijenta, dečaka, crnca
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like a privileged, white 75-year-old
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kao da je privilegovani, 75-godišnji
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corporate executive."
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direktor firme."
18:07
(Applause)
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(aplauz)
18:12
And I put in my motion
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Napisao sam u svom predlogu
18:14
that there was prosecutorial misconduct and police misconduct and judicial misconduct.
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da je u pitanju kršenje propisa u procesu optužbe, a takođe i u miliciji i sudu.
18:17
There was a crazy line in there about how there's no conduct in this county,
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U jednoj ludoj rečenici sam saopštio kako ne postoji pravda u ovoj zemlji,
18:19
it's all misconduct.
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sve je nepravda.
18:21
And the next morning, I woke up and I thought, now did I dream that crazy motion,
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Sledećeg jutra sam se probudio i zapitao sam se da li sam sanjao o tom ludom predlogu,
18:24
or did I actually write it?
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ili sam zaista to napisao?
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And to my horror, not only had I written it,
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Užasnut sam shvatio ne samo da sam napisao to,
18:28
but I had sent it to court.
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već i da sam poslao to na sud.
18:30
(Applause)
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(aplauz)
18:33
A couple months went by,
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Prošlo je od tada nekoliko meseci,
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and I had just forgotten all about it.
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i zaboravio sam na sve to.
18:38
And I finally decided,
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Na kraju je došao momenat
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oh gosh, I've got to go to the court and do this crazy case.
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kada je trebalo da odem na sud i suočim se sa tm ludim slučajem.
18:42
And I got into my car
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Ušao sam u kola,
18:44
and I was feeling really overwhelmed -- overwhelmed.
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i osećao sam se tako iscrpljeno.
18:46
And I got in my car and I went to this courthouse.
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Ušao sam u kola i odvezao se do suda.
18:48
And I was thinking, this is going to be so difficult, so painful.
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Mislio sam da će biti veoma teško i bolno.
18:51
And I finally got out of the car and I started walking up to the courthouse.
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Na posletku sam izašao iz kola i odšetao do zgrade suda.
18:54
And as I was walking up the steps of this courthouse,
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Dok sam išao uz stepenice zgrade suda,
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there was an older black man who was the janitor in this courthouse.
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primetio sam starijeg čoveka, crnca, koji je tu radio kao čuvar.
18:59
When this man saw me, he came over to me
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Ugledao me je, prišao mi
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and he said, "Who are you?"
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i pitao: "Ko si ti?"
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I said, "I'm a lawyer." He said, "You're a lawyer?" I said, "Yes, sir."
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Rekoh: "Advokat." On reče: "Ti si advokat?" Rekoh: "Da, gospodine."
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And this man came over to me
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Taj tip mi je prišao
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and he hugged me.
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i zagrlio me.
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And he whispered in my ear.
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Šapnuo mi je nešto na uvo.
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He said, "I'm so proud of you."
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Rekao je: "Ponosan sam na tebe."
19:14
And I have to tell you,
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Priznaću vam,
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it was energizing.
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to mi je dalo podstrek.
19:18
It connected deeply with something in me
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To je dotaklo zaista nešto duboko u meni,
19:20
about identity,
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a tiče se identiteta,
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about the capacity of every person to contribute
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tiče se mogućnosti svake osobe da doprinese zajednici,
19:25
to a community, to a perspective that is hopeful.
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da doprinese budućnosti koja uliva nadu.
19:27
Well I went into the courtroom.
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Otišao sam u sud.
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And as soon as I walked inside, the judge saw me coming in.
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Čim sam zakoračio u prostoriju, sudija me je zapazio.
19:31
He said, "Mr. Stevenson, did you write this crazy motion?"
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Rekao je: "G-dine Stivenson, da li ste vi napisali ovaj ludački predlog?"
19:34
I said, "Yes, sir. I did." And we started arguing.
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Rekao sam: "Da, g-dine, jesam." Počeli smo da se raspravljamo.
19:36
And people started coming in because they were just outraged.
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Ljudi su ulazili u prostoriju jer su bili van sebe.
19:38
I had written these crazy things.
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Napisao sam te potpuno lude stvari.
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And police officers were coming in
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Ulazili su i milicajci,
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and assistant prosecutors and clerk workers.
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i asistenti tužioca i službenici.
19:44
And before I knew it, the courtroom was filled with people
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Pre nego što sam se osvestio, sudnica je bila prepuna ljudi
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angry that we were talking about race,
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koji su bili besni jer pričamo o rasi,
19:48
that we were talking about poverty,
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jer pričamo o siromaštvu,
19:50
that we were talking about inequality.
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jer pričamo o nejednakosti.
19:52
And out of the corner of my eye, I could see this janitor pacing back and forth.
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Krajičkom oka sam zapazio čuvara kako se tu šeta.
19:55
And he kept looking through the window, and he could hear all of this holler.
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Non-stop je gledao kroz prozor, i mogao je da čuje čitavu raspravu.
19:57
He kept pacing back and forth.
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Nastavio je sa šetnjom.
19:59
And finally, this older black man with this very worried look on his face
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Na posletku je taj stariji crnac, zabrinutog izraza lica,
20:02
came into the courtroom and sat down behind me,
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ušao u sudnicu i seo iza mene,
20:05
almost at counsel table.
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skoro za samim stolom sudije.
20:07
About 10 minutes later the judge said we would take a break.
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Nakon 10 minuta sudija je oglasio pauzu.
20:09
And during the break there was a deputy sheriff who was offended
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U toku pauze zapazio sam načelnika odeljenja koji je bio uvređen
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that the janitor had come into court.
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što je čuvar došao u sudnicu.
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And this deputy jumped up and he ran over to this older black man.
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Načelnik je skočio sa stolice i dojurio do starijeg crnca.
20:16
He said, "Jimmy, what are you doing in this courtroom?"
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Rekao mu je: "Džimi, šta ti radiš u sudnici?"
20:19
And this older black man stood up
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Ovaj stariji čovek je ustao
20:21
and he looked at that deputy and he looked at me
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zagledao se u načelnika, pa u mene
20:23
and he said, "I came into this courtroom
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i rekao: "Došao sam u ovu sudnicu
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to tell this young man,
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da poručim ovom mladom čoveku da
20:28
keep your eyes on the prize, hold on."
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ne gubi perspektivu iz vida, da ne odustaje."
20:31
I've come to TED
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Došao sam ovde, na TED
20:33
because I believe that many of you understand
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jer verujem da mnogi od vas shvataju
20:35
that the moral arc of the universe is long,
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da je putanja morala u univerzumu duga,
20:37
but it bends toward justice.
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ali naginje ka pravdi.
20:39
That we cannot be full evolved human beings
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Mi ne možemo da budemo u potpunosti ostvarena ljudska bića
20:42
until we care about human rights and basic dignity.
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dok ne brinemo o ljudskim pravima i dostojanstvu.
20:45
That all of our survival
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Naš opstanak
20:47
is tied to the survival of everyone.
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je vezan za opstanak svake osobe.
20:49
That our visions of technology and design
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Naše vizije tehnologije i dizajna
20:51
and entertainment and creativity
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i zabave i kreativnosti
20:53
have to be married with visions
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moraju da budu u sprezi sa vizijama
20:55
of humanity, compassion and justice.
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o humanosti, saosećajnosti i pravdi.
20:58
And more than anything,
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A pre svega,
21:00
for those of you who share that,
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za sve vas koji imaju taj stav,
21:02
I've simply come to tell you
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ja sam prosto došao da vam kažem
21:04
to keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.
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da ne gubite perspetkivu iz vida, da ne odustajete.
21:06
Thank you very much.
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Mnogo vam hvala.
21:08
(Applause)
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(aplauz)
21:29
Chris Anderson: So you heard and saw
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Kris Anderson: Čuo si i video
21:31
an obvious desire by this audience, this community,
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zaista očiglednu želju ove publike, zajednice
21:34
to help you on your way and to do something on this issue.
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da ti pomogne na tvom putu i da pomogne rešavanju ovih problema.
21:37
Other than writing a check,
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Sem davanja novca,
21:39
what could we do?
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šta još možemo da uradimo?
21:42
BS: Well there are opportunities all around us.
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BS: Pa, mogućnosti su svuda oko nas.
21:44
If you live in the state of California, for example,
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Ukoliko živite u Kaliforniji, na primer,
21:46
there's a referendum coming up this spring
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ovog proleća će biti raspisan referendum
21:48
where actually there's going to be an effort
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koji se bavi pokušajem da se podela novca
21:50
to redirect some of the money we spend on the politics of punishment.
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koji se tiče naše politike kažnjavanja reorganizuje.
21:53
For example, here in California
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Na primer, ovde, u Kaliforniji,
21:55
we're going to spend one billion dollars
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potrošićemo milijardu dolara
21:57
on the death penalty in the next five years --
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na smrtnu kaznu u narednih pet godina,
21:59
one billion dollars.
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milijardu dolara.
22:02
And yet, 46 percent of all homicide cases
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A opet, 46 procenata ubistava
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don't result in arrest.
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ne biva rešeno.
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56 percent of all rape cases don't result.
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56 procenata silovanja je nerešeno.
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So there's an opportunity to change that.
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Postoji mogućnost da se to promeni.
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And this referendum would propose having those dollars
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Na ovom referendumu će biti predloženo da taj novac
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go to law enforcement and safety.
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bude preusmeren na bezbednost i jačanje prava.
22:15
And I think that opportunity exists all around us.
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Smatram da mogućnosti postoje svuda oko nas.
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CA: There's been this huge decline
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KA: Zabeležen je ogroman pad
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in crime in America over the last three decades.
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stope kirminala u Americi tokom poslednje tri decenije.
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And part of the narrative of that
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Deo objašnjenja, ljudi misle, je u tome
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is sometimes that it's about increased incarceration rates.
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što je povećana stopa pritvora ljudi.
22:28
What would you say to someone who believed that?
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Šta bi ti rekao nekome ko veruje u to?
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BS: Well actually the violent crime rate
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BS: Stopa nasilnih zločina je
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has remained relatively stable.
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relativno nepromenjena.
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The great increase in mass incarceration in this country
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Veliko povećanje stope pritvora u ovoj zemlji
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wasn't really in violent crime categories.
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nije zabeležno u grupi nasilnih zločina.
22:39
It was this misguided war on drugs.
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Radi se o ovom pogrešno vođenom ratu protiv droga.
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That's where the dramatic increases have come
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Usled toga se povećao broj ljudi
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in our prison population.
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u našim zatvorima.
22:46
And we got carried away with the rhetoric of punishment.
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A poneli smo se baš tom retorikom o kažnjavanju.
22:49
And so we have three strikes laws
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Imamo "zakone treće greške"
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that put people in prison forever
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putem kojih se doživotno zatvaraju ljudi
22:53
for stealing a bicycle, for low-level property crimes,
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zbog krađe bicikla, zbog nisko-budžetnih krađa,
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rather than making them give those resources back
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umesto da ih prosto nateramo da vrate te stvari
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to the people who they victimized.
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onima koji su žrtve tih pljački.
23:00
I believe we need to do more to help people who are victimized by crime,
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Mislim da treba da uradimo mnogo više da pomognemo ljudima koji su pogođeni kriminalom,
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not do less.
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a ne manje.
23:04
And I think our current punishment philosophy
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Smatram da aktuelna filozofija kažnjavanja
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does nothing for no one.
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ne čini dobro nikome.
23:08
And I think that's the orientation that we have to change.
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Smatram da je to neophodno promeniti.
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(Applause)
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(aplauz)
23:12
CA: Bryan, you've struck a massive chord here.
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KA: Brajane, imaš veliku podršku ovde.
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You're an inspiring person.
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Zaista inspiršeš.
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Thank you so much for coming to TED. Thank you.
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Hvala ti što si došao na TED. Hvala ti.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Bryan Stevenson - Public-interest lawyerBryan Stevenson is the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system.
Why you should listen
Bryan Stevenson is a public-interest lawyer who has dedicated his career to helping the poor, the incarcerated and the condemned. He's the founder and executive director of the Equal Justice Initiative, an Alabama-based group that has won major legal challenges eliminating excessive and unfair sentencing, exonerating innocent prisoners on death row, confronting abuse of the incarcerated and the mentally ill, and aiding children prosecuted as adults.
EJI recently won an historic ruling in the U.S. Supreme Court holding that mandatory life-without-parole sentences for all children 17 or younger are unconstitutional. Mr. Stevenson’s work fighting poverty and challenging racial discrimination in the criminal justice system has won him numerous awards. He is a graduate of the Harvard Law School and the Harvard School of Government, and has been awarded 14 honorary doctorate degrees. Bryan is the author of Just Mercy: A Story of Justice and Redemption.
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