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Ben Cort: What commercialization is doing to cannabis
本·科特: 商业化对大麻的影响是什么？
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2012年，科罗拉多州将大麻合法化，并迅速成为全球规模数十亿美元的与大麻相关的产业，从笔式电子烟到布朗尼等。但是，说大麻已经合法化是一种微妙的误导——我们真正在做的是将 THC 商业化，本·科特（Ben Cort）说，这导致了产品的非天然性。在一次令人眼界大开的演讲中，柯特审视了商业大麻行业经常被忽视的影响，并呼吁我们质疑那些靠大麻致富的人。
Ben Cort - Author, addiction treatment specialist
Ben Cort focuses on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field. Full bio
Ben Cort focuses on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field. Full bio
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00:12
Hey look, if you guys
are anything like me,
are anything like me,
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如果你们和我一样，
你会发现如果不看见
几个像“自由放养”，
几个像“自由放养”，
00:15
you have found it harder and harder
to turn around recently
to turn around recently
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without seeing words like "free-range,"
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“从农场到餐桌”，
“有机产品”这样的词，
00:21
"farm-to-table,"
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就会觉得很不舒服，
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"organically produced,"
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especially here in Colorado.
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尤其在科罗拉多这里。
00:26
Now, as we've become more conscientious
of the way that we eat in recent years,
of the way that we eat in recent years,
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随着近几年我们对
饮食方式越来越讲究，
饮食方式越来越讲究，
00:31
these once unfamiliar words have worked
their way into our daily lexicon.
their way into our daily lexicon.
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这些一度不熟悉的单词逐渐
进入了我们的日常生活。
进入了我们的日常生活。
00:36
When we started to pay more attention
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当我们开始将更多的注意力放在
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to the way that the food we were eating
interacted with our bodies
interacted with our bodies
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我们所吃的食物是如何与身体
00:42
and with the earth,
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和土地相互作用的时候，
00:43
the food industry had to listen.
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食品行业就会按需求做出改变，
00:46
And the results have been really powerful.
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结果通常令人十分震惊。
00:49
Now, those of you out there
from states like Washington and Oregon
from states like Washington and Oregon
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华盛顿州和俄勒冈州的朋友们，
00:54
and, of course, my fellow Coloradans --
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当然，还有科罗拉多的朋友们——
00:57
(Cheers)
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（欢呼）
00:58
y'all know what I'm talking about.
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你们都知道我在说什么。
01:02
Because this is not ...
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因为
01:05
Words like "all-natural" and "homegrown"
are not just being used in our diets.
are not just being used in our diets.
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像“纯天然”和“自家种植”这样的词
不仅仅我们在使用，
不仅仅我们在使用，
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There's this whole new industry
using this language now.
using this language now.
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还有一个全新的行业
也正在使用这些词。
也正在使用这些词。
是的，
01:17
You guys know.
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01:18
It's weed,
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这就是大麻业，
01:20
an industry that taxed a sale
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一个2016年征税额
01:22
of about six billion dollars
worth of product in 2016.
worth of product in 2016.
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高达60亿美金的行业。
01:26
So what if I were to propose to you
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所以如果我向你说，
01:28
that some of what you think you know
about this legalized marijuana thing
about this legalized marijuana thing
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你们所知道的
关于大麻合法化的事情
关于大麻合法化的事情
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could be wrong?
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可能是错误的呢？
01:35
Listen, I get it --
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我知道，
01:36
talking about issues with legal weed
is a pretty quick way to get uninvited
is a pretty quick way to get uninvited
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突然谈论大麻合法化的问题
的确有些突兀，
01:40
from the cool kids' table.
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I know that better than most,
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这我比多数人都清楚，
01:45
but I intend to do it anyway.
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但我无论如何还是要说。
01:48
First, before I get started, let me
be perfectly clear about one thing:
be perfectly clear about one thing:
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首先，在开始前，我需要澄清一下：：
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my fight is not against the casual
adult use of marijuana --
adult use of marijuana --
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我并不反对成年人抽食大麻——
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I don't care about that.
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我不关心这个。
01:59
What I care deeply about
is this new industry
is this new industry
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我真正在意的是这个新兴的行业
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that is working to convince us
that we are consuming something natural
that we are consuming something natural
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正在试图让我们认为自己是在
消费一种天然的东西，
消费一种天然的东西，
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while fixing social ills,
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同时也在治疗社会弊病，
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when we aren't.
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但事实并非如此。
02:09
So let's start with
a little bit of Weed 101.
a little bit of Weed 101.
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我先给大家简单介绍一下大麻。
02:12
Cannabis is a plant that grows naturally
and has been used within textiles
and has been used within textiles
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大麻是一种野生的植物，
几千年来一直被用于
几千年来一直被用于
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and even traditional Chinese medicine
for thousands of years.
for thousands of years.
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纺织甚至传统中药中。
02:20
Genesis 1:12 even tells us:
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《创世纪》1：12 甚至说道：
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"I have given you all of the seed-bearing
plants and herbs to use."
plants and herbs to use."
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“我已经给你们这些所有
可以结种子的果蔬和草药去用。”
可以结种子的果蔬和草药去用。”
02:26
It's the microphone -- it's got
a TV preacher sort of thing.
a TV preacher sort of thing.
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这麦克风， 让我听起来
有点像电视上的传教士...
有点像电视上的传教士...
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
02:33
Now, cannabis is made up of hundreds
of different chemicals,
of different chemicals,
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大麻由数百种不同的化学物质组成，
02:36
but two of those chemicals
are by far the most interesting.
are by far the most interesting.
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但其中的两种化学物质非常有意思，
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That's CBD and THC.
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就是 CBD（大麻二酚）
和 THC（四氢大麻酚）。
和 THC（四氢大麻酚）。
02:42
CBD is where almost all
of the medicinal properties lie.
of the medicinal properties lie.
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CBD 是所有药用属性所在。
02:47
It's an incredibly fascinating
part of the plant
part of the plant
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这是这种植物非常奇妙的一点，
02:50
with real potential to help people.
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它甚至可以在某方面帮助人们。
02:53
It also is totally nonintoxicating.
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它更不会使人完全的失去控制。
02:57
You could take a bath in the stuff
while vaping pure CBD
while vaping pure CBD
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你可以用大麻泡澡，吸食纯 CBD，
03:00
and drinking a CBD smoothie,
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再来杯 CBD 冰沙，
03:03
and you still couldn't get high.
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你仍不会感到兴奋...
03:05
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
03:07
I've tried.
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我试过了。
03:08
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
03:10
I haven't, I haven't.
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我没，我没有。
03:11
That'd cost a lot of money.
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我没那么多钱...
03:13
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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Now, for as interesting and remarkable
a part of the plant as CBD is,
a part of the plant as CBD is,
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虽然 CBD 是植物中有趣
且引人注目的一部分，
且引人注目的一部分，
03:20
it actually makes up a really tiny portion
of the commercial market.
of the commercial market.
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它的销售额实际上只占
商业市场的很小一部分。
商业市场的很小一部分。
03:24
The real money is being made
in that other chemical --
in that other chemical --
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真正赚钱的是另外一种化学物质——
03:26
in THC.
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THC。
03:28
THC is the natural part of the plant
that gets you high.
that gets you high.
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THC是真正让你兴奋的天然成分。
03:31
And before the 1970s,
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在 1970 年代前，
03:32
cannabis contained less than half
of a percent of THC.
of a percent of THC.
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大麻中 THC 的含量不到 0.5%。
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That's what's naturally occurring.
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这是事实。
03:38
Over the last 40 years,
as we became better gardeners, that --
as we became better gardeners, that --
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在过去40年中，随着我们的
园丁工作越做越好——
园丁工作越做越好——
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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that percentage of THC started
to slowly but steadily rise,
to slowly but steadily rise,
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THC 的含量开始缓慢稳定地增长，
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until recently, when the chemists
started to get involved.
started to get involved.
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直到最近化学家参与了进来。
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So these guys moved grow cycles --
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这些人
03:56
sorry -- these guys moved cultivation
exclusively indoors,
exclusively indoors,
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把这种植物专门搬到室内，
04:00
and they made grow cycles
extremely and unnaturally short.
extremely and unnaturally short.
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人工大幅度缩短了大麻的生长周期。
04:05
They also started to use
pesticides and fertilizers
pesticides and fertilizers
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他们还开始使用杀虫剂和化肥，
04:07
in some ways that we
should be concerned with.
should be concerned with.
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到了我们应该开始关注的程度。
04:10
In fact, I was recently talking to a buddy
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实际上，我最近跟一个朋友聊天，
04:12
who had just left a job
at a commercial grow operation
at a commercial grow operation
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他刚刚辞去了一家
商业种植公司的工作，
商业种植公司的工作，
04:15
because he was so concerned
with the chemicals
with the chemicals
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因为他特别担心这种被要求
使用的化学物质。
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that he was being asked to interact with.
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Some of his fellow employees
were actually encouraged
were actually encouraged
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他的一些同事被允许
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to wear hazmat suits
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在给植物喷洒
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while they were spraying
the chemical cocktails on the plants.
the chemical cocktails on the plants.
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化学混合物时穿着防毒服。
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With that kind of manipulation,
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通过这种操纵，
04:30
the products that are being sold today
can contain above 30 percent THC.
can contain above 30 percent THC.
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今天销售的大麻 THC 含量超过30%。
04:36
And our concentrates --
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而浓缩产品——
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our concentrates can actually contain
above 95 percent THC --
above 95 percent THC --
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浓缩产品其实能够
包含95%的 THC——
包含95%的 THC——
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a far cry from the natural plant.
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比天然植物多了太多了。
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Listen, this isn't your grandpa's weed.
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注意，这可不是你爷爷那辈的大麻。
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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This isn't your dad's weed.
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这也不是你爸爸那个时代的大麻。
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Like, this isn't even my weed.
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这甚至都不是我所认识的大麻。
04:58
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
05:00
If you've ever set foot inside
one of the thousands of dispensaries
one of the thousands of dispensaries
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如果你曾经踏进近年来涌现出来的
数千家大麻店中的任何一家，
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that have sprung up in recent years,
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要知道他们真正卖的是 THC。
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you know that what we're
really selling in them is THC.
really selling in them is THC.
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All of the weed that you buy commercially
lists exactly how much THC it contains,
lists exactly how much THC it contains,
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你从市场上买的大麻都列出了
它包含多少 THC 成分，
它包含多少 THC 成分，
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as do our other,
much more popular products
much more popular products
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跟其他受欢迎的产品一样，
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like vape pens, coffee, ice cream,
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如电子烟，咖啡，冰淇淋，
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condiments, granola, gum, candy,
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调味品，麦片，口香糖，糖果，
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baked goods,
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烘焙食品，
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suppositories.
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栓剂。
05:28
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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And, of course, lube.
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当然还有润滑油。
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Pretty much -- no, for real --
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千真万确——
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(Laughter)
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（笑声）
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pretty much anything that you can imagine
introducing into the human body.
introducing into the human body.
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基本就是你能想到的任何
可以摄入人体东西。
可以摄入人体东西。
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The vast majority of cannabis
that's being sold today --
that's being sold today --
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今天出售的大部分大麻——
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it isn't really cannabis.
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并不是真的大麻。
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It's THC in either a pure form
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它要么是纯 THC，
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or in an extremely high
and unnatural concentration.
and unnatural concentration.
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要么就是人工高度浓缩的。
05:54
To say that we have legalized weed
is subtly misleading.
is subtly misleading.
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所以说，大麻合法化其实
是一种微妙的误导。
是一种微妙的误导。
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We have commercialized THC.
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我们已经将 THC 商业化了。
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And it's happened really quickly.
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它发生的非常迅速。
06:05
Now, the reason why the commercial market
has so rapidly exploded
has so rapidly exploded
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这个商业市场之所以迅速膨胀，
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is because there is a hell
of a lot of money to be made
of a lot of money to be made
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是因为他们能够从我们
不断增长的
不断增长的
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in satisfying and increasing
our desire to get high.
our desire to get high.
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对致幻的需求中疯狂的敛财。
06:15
And that money is no longer really
being made by the mom-and-pop shops.
being made by the mom-and-pop shops.
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小作坊几乎已经退出了市场。
06:20
So industry groups and corporations --
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所以行业组织和公司——
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groups like the Drug Policy Alliance,
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像药物政策联盟这样的组织，
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the Marijuana Policy Project,
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大麻政策项目，
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Arcview Investment,
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Arcview 投资公司，
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the Cannabis Industry Association --
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大麻工业协会——
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they've chased out and helped to chase out
a lot of the small-time growers.
a lot of the small-time growers.
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它们直接或间接赶走了
很多小农种植者。
很多小农种植者。
06:35
So these cats know that the best way
to continue to profit off of us
to continue to profit off of us
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所以这些人知道继续从我们
身上获利的最好方法，
身上获利的最好方法，
06:40
is if they follow the alcohol
industry's 80/20 rule.
industry's 80/20 rule.
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就是遵循酒精行业的 80/20 法则。
06:44
It's simple -- it's where 80 percent
of the product is consumed
of the product is consumed
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很简单——也就是将 80% 的产品
卖给 20% 的消费者——
就是那些问题用户。
就是那些问题用户。
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by 20 percent of the consumers --
the problemed users.
the problemed users.
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06:51
The wealthy, white, weed lobbyists --
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富人，白人，大麻游说者——
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and seriously, they are almost
all rich, white men --
all rich, white men --
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说真的，他们几乎都是有钱的白人——
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they know that we will consume
more of what they're selling
more of what they're selling
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那些人知道，如果他们提高药效，
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if they jack up the potency.
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我们就会消费更多他们的产品。
07:07
They also know that we are more than
twice as likely to consume THC regularly
twice as likely to consume THC regularly
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如果一个人的年薪不到 2 万美元，
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if we earn under 20,000 dollars a year
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那么他经常食用 THC 的可能性是
07:14
than those who earn
over 50,000 dollars a year.
over 50,000 dollars a year.
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年薪超过 5 万美元的人的两倍。
07:18
In other words, the poorer you are,
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换句话说，你越穷，
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the more likely you are to spend
your money on their products.
your money on their products.
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就越可能把钱花在他们的产品上。
07:26
And in this country, income
and race are highly correlated.
and race are highly correlated.
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而且在这个国家，
收入和种族高度相关。
收入和种族高度相关。
07:33
One of the reasons we often hear cited
for the legalization of marijuana
for the legalization of marijuana
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我们经常听到的
一个大麻合法化的原因是，
一个大麻合法化的原因是，
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is that it will help to stop
the disproportionate incarceration rates
the disproportionate incarceration rates
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这有助于减少少数族裔中不成比例
07:40
among minorities,
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的监禁率，
07:41
which is something everybody in this room
should be extremely concerned with.
should be extremely concerned with.
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这是在座的各位都需要特别关注的。
07:47
Unfortunately, we don't
have to look any further
have to look any further
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不幸的是，我们只需要看看
07:49
than arrest rates for juveniles
here in Colorado
here in Colorado
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科罗拉多州青少年的被捕率
07:52
to counter that argument.
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就可以反驳这种观点。
07:54
According to the Colorado
Department of Public Safety,
Department of Public Safety,
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根据科罗拉多
公共安全部门的数据，
公共安全部门的数据，
07:57
since we opened retail in 2014 --
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自从 2014 年开放销售大麻以来——
08:01
almost all of which are in poor,
minority neighborhoods --
minority neighborhoods --
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几乎所有这些生活在贫穷，
少数族裔社区的人——
少数族裔社区的人——
08:06
we saw an eight percent reduction
in the arrest of white kids
in the arrest of white kids
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我们看到因大麻有关的活动
而被逮捕的白人儿童
而被逮捕的白人儿童
08:10
for all weed-related activity.
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减少了 8%。
08:13
Good on 'em.
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挺好的。
08:16
During that same time period,
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然而同时，
08:18
there was a 29 percent increase
in the arrest of Hispanic kids
in the arrest of Hispanic kids
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因大麻相关活动被捕
的西班牙裔儿童的人数
的西班牙裔儿童的人数
08:21
for weed-related activity
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增加了 29%，
08:23
and a 58 percent increase in the arrest
of black kids for weed-related crimes.
of black kids for weed-related crimes.
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因大麻犯罪而被捕
的黑人儿童增加了 58%。
的黑人儿童增加了 58%。
08:29
You guys heard that, right?
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你们都听过，对吧？
08:31
We are actually arresting
more people of color in Colorado
more people of color in Colorado
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在科罗拉多州，
我们实际上比大麻市场化前
我们实际上比大麻市场化前
08:34
than we were prior to commercialization.
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逮捕了更多的有色人种。
08:38
And you're not reading that in the Post.
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而这些在报道中都看不到。
08:42
Colorado Department of Safety.
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科罗拉多安全部门
08:44
Legal marijuana coming into focus.
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已经开始关注大麻合法化的问题。
08:48
Another big issue that we have
is in school suspension rates.
is in school suspension rates.
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另一个大问题是学校的停课率。
08:52
So, schools that are
predominantly white --
predominantly white --
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那些以白人为主的学校——
08:55
that is, they have a minority population
of 25 percent or fewer --
of 25 percent or fewer --
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即少数族裔占比不到 25% 的学校——
08:59
in the first full year of data collection
following commercialization,
following commercialization,
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在大麻商业化第一年后
的数据显示，
的数据显示，
09:03
these schools had a grand total
of 190 drug-related suspensions,
of 190 drug-related suspensions,
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这些学校总计有
190 起大麻相关的停课，
190 起大麻相关的停课，
09:08
almost all of which are for THC.
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几乎都是因为 THC。
09:12
At the same time,
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同时，
09:13
schools with a minority population
of 75 to 100 percent
of 75 to 100 percent
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那些少数族裔占 75%～100% 的学校
09:19
had 801 drug-related suspensions,
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有 801 起毒品相关的停课，
09:24
almost all of which were for THC.
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也都是因为 THC。
09:27
When discussing minority populations,
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当讨论少数族裔时，
09:29
one that unfortunately often
gets left out of the conversation
gets left out of the conversation
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其中一个常被忽视的不幸群体
09:33
is the LGBTQ community.
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是 LGBTQ 群体。
09:36
Members of this community are more
than twice as likely to consume THC
than twice as likely to consume THC
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这个群体的成员消费 THC 的可能性
09:41
than those who identify
as heterosexual or cisgender.
as heterosexual or cisgender.
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是那些确定为异性恋
或同性恋的人的两倍多。
或同性恋的人的两倍多。
09:46
They also, unfortunately, have
higher rates of mental illness
higher rates of mental illness
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更糟的是，他们也有
很高比例的精神疾病
很高比例的精神疾病
09:50
and suicide.
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和自杀率。
09:52
According to a study published in 2014
called "Going to Pot,"
called "Going to Pot,"
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根据 2014 年发表的一个名叫
《走向大麻》的研究，
《走向大麻》的研究，
09:55
we see that the unnaturally high levels
of THC found in today's products
of THC found in today's products
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今天的产品中发现的
不正常的高含量 THC
不正常的高含量 THC
10:00
actually compound those issues.
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实际上加剧了这些问题。
10:03
They make them worse.
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它们让问题变糟了。
10:06
Unfortunately, that seems
to matter very little
to matter very little
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不幸的是，这对于售卖这些产品的人
10:09
to the folks who are
selling these products,
selling these products,
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似乎无关紧要，
因为正如你刚看到的，
10:11
because as you just saw,
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10:13
clearly, this is a good consumer base.
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显然，这是一个很好的消费群体。
10:17
Listen, man -- I get it.
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各位，我懂。
10:19
In many circles, legalized marijuana
is too much of a sacred cow to question.
is too much of a sacred cow to question.
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在很多圈子，大麻合法化是
不容置疑的神圣不可侵犯的事情。
不容置疑的神圣不可侵犯的事情。
10:24
But we need to start this conversation,
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但我们得开始这个对话，
10:26
because what's being sold today
is not natural,
is not natural,
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因为今天所卖的产品并不天然，
10:31
and lobbyists and industry are using
social justice as a smoke screen
social justice as a smoke screen
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游说者和行业
在使用社会公平作为烟幕弹，
在使用社会公平作为烟幕弹，
10:36
so that they can get richer.
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这样他们才能变得更富有。
10:40
It's been my own journey to sobriety
that led me to begin questioning
that led me to begin questioning
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我的调查让我开始质疑
10:44
a lot of what I was seeing;
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我所看到的一切；
10:46
that's kind of one of the things
that we're taught to do.
that we're taught to do.
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这是我们被教导要做的事情之一。
10:49
When I left Boulder
for the Washington, DC, area
for the Washington, DC, area
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当我 12 岁那年，离开博尔德
10:53
at 12 years old,
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前往华盛顿特区时，
10:54
I was transported into a world
where the kind of shoes you wore
where the kind of shoes you wore
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我被带入了一个世界，在这里，
10:57
mattered more than
just about anything else.
just about anything else.
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你穿什么样的鞋比什么都重要。
11:00
And my family was just too poor
to help me play that game.
to help me play that game.
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而我的家庭条件不允许我这样攀比。
11:05
So I was faced with a pretty real
crisis of identity.
crisis of identity.
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于是我开始面临身份危机
11:09
In this new scene where there's more
blacktop than treetops,
blacktop than treetops,
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在这个柏油路比树梢还多的新世界里，
11:12
man, I just didn't know who I was.
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我迷失了自己。
11:14
So I smoked weed for the first time
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所以我开始第一次吸食大麻，
11:16
when I was 13.
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那时我13岁。
11:17
And I loved it.
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我爱死它了。
11:20
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
11:21
I instantly found this social group,
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我很快发现了这个社交群体，
11:24
and I also just really liked being high.
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我也很喜欢让自己兴奋起来。
11:28
I finally found a way to shut this up.
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我终于找到了把头脑关闭的方法。
11:33
I quickly turned to other
drugs and alcohol,
drugs and alcohol,
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我很快转向其他毒品和酒精，
11:36
and something just woke up
inside of my brain.
inside of my brain.
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我的脑海中有东西醒过来了。
11:40
I was a daily user
within a couple of months.
within a couple of months.
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在几个月内，我每天都在
使用致幻药品。
使用致幻药品。
11:42
My addictive use mirrors
many of the stories
many of the stories
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我的上瘾过程反应了很多故事，
11:45
that I'm sure you've heard before.
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我相信你们以前都听到过。
11:47
It started out as fun,
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刚开始只是好玩，
11:49
it got scary,
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后来变得有些可怕，
11:50
and then it was just necessary.
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再然后，它就变成了必需品。
11:53
Enough said.
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没什么好说的。
11:56
I got wasted for the last time
on June 15 of 1996.
on June 15 of 1996.
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我最后一次沉迷
是在1996年6月15号。
是在1996年6月15号。
12:00
And I --
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我——
12:01
(Applause and cheers)
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（鼓掌和欢呼）
12:09
Thank you.
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谢谢。
12:12
And I've spent the last 21 years
trying to both put my life back in order
trying to both put my life back in order
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我在过去21年中一直努力
让我的生活回到正轨，
让我的生活回到正轨，
12:17
as well as trying to find
some peace in this world.
some peace in this world.
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同时试图在这个世界上寻找安宁。
12:23
And one of the ways I've done that
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我采取的一个行动是，
12:24
is by working inside of nonprofit
drug and alcohol treatment
drug and alcohol treatment
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过去10年间在非盈利治疗机构工作，
帮助患者戒除
帮助患者戒除
12:27
for the last 10 years,
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毒品和酒精，
12:28
with groups like Phoenix Multisport,
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我们的合作机构有凤凰户外、
12:30
the University of Colorado Hospital
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科罗拉多大学医院，
12:33
and NALGAP --
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和NALGAP——
12:34
the National Association for Lesbian, Gay,
Transgender, Bisexual Treatment Providers
Transgender, Bisexual Treatment Providers
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美国女同性恋、男同性恋、
变性人、双性恋治疗提供者
变性人、双性恋治疗提供者
12:39
and their Allies.
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及其联盟协会。
12:42
Even after all of my work
on the front lines
on the front lines
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即便我在一线工作了这么久，
12:45
and as a former consumer myself,
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并作为一个早先的消费者，
12:48
I was shocked and pissed
when I started to see
when I started to see
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我还因商业化对大麻
12:51
what commercialization
was doing to cannabis,
was doing to cannabis,
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造成的影响感到震惊和愤怒，
12:54
because, you see, our hope
for something pure and natural
for something pure and natural
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因为我们对纯净和自然的希望
12:58
is making it hard for us to see
what's really going on,
what's really going on,
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使我们很难看到真正发生了什么，
13:01
and that is that the rich
are getting richer
are getting richer
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那就是富人在穷人的支持下
13:04
on the backs of the poor
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变得越来越富有，
13:05
and lying to our faces the entire time.
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并一直在我们面前撒谎。
13:08
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
13:12
Thank you.
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谢谢。
13:14
My friends, once again I fear
that we are allowing industry
that we are allowing industry
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在座的各位，我再强调一下，
我很担忧我们一直容许这个行业
我很担忧我们一直容许这个行业
13:21
to take advantage of the most
challenged among us
challenged among us
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去利用我们
13:24
in order to turn a profit,
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来获取利润，
13:26
much like we saw with tobacco
and food in years past.
and food in years past.
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正如我们在过去这些年来
在烟草和食品行业看到的那样。
在烟草和食品行业看到的那样。
13:31
So when we told the food industry
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所以当我们告诉食品行业
13:33
that we understood the impact
our choices were having,
our choices were having,
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我们知道我们的选择造成的影响，
13:36
and that we demanded better
for ourselves and our families,
for ourselves and our families,
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并且我们和家人需要更好的产品，
13:40
that industry got into line.
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这个行业就已经步入正轨。
13:43
So is there any reason why we couldn't
demand the same thing from this
demand the same thing from this
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那么，我们为什么不能
对这个行业，以及未来那些
对这个行业，以及未来那些
13:47
and from future industries who are trying
to get a piece of our paychecks?
to get a piece of our paychecks?
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想从我们的工资中分一杯羹
的行业提出同样的要求呢？
的行业提出同样的要求呢？
13:52
What if we made these guys answer
some hard questions?
some hard questions?
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如果我们让这些人回答一些难题呢？
13:56
What if we held them to a higher standard
than we are right now?
than we are right now?
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如果我们对他们的要求
比现在更高会怎样？
比现在更高会怎样？
14:00
Because as it stands,
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因为就目前而言，
14:02
for many in our community,
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对我们大多数人而言，
14:05
the grass isn't greener on this side
of commercialization.
of commercialization.
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大麻商业化并不健康。
14:09
They've just been sold a bag of goods.
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他们只是在挂羊头卖狗肉而已。
14:12
Thank you.
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谢谢。
14:13
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
14:20
Jeremy Duhon: I know
this is a sensitive topic
this is a sensitive topic
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杰里米·杜洪（JD）：
我知道这是一个敏感的话题，
我知道这是一个敏感的话题，
14:22
but a very important one,
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但是非常重要，
谢谢你提出这个问题
并带我们进行探讨。
并带我们进行探讨。
14:23
so thank you for bringing this up
and helping us explore it.
and helping us explore it.
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14:27
You know, a lot of folks
are experiencing health benefits
are experiencing health benefits
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很多人体会了大麻带来的
14:30
from marijuana and cannabis.
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健康益处。
14:32
What would you say
to that part of the community?
to that part of the community?
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你会对那个群体说什么？
14:35
Ben Cort: I'm actually glad
you brought that up.
you brought that up.
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本·科特（BC）：
我很高兴你提起这件事。
我很高兴你提起这件事。
14:37
I think one of the most important things
that we can do right now
that we can do right now
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我想我们现在就可以做的
最重要的一件事是，
最重要的一件事是，
把医药用途，
14:40
is to separate out medicinal,
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14:42
and especially what's happening
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以及我们已经看到的
14:44
and some of the advances
that are being made
that are being made
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使用这种植物的某些部分
14:47
using parts of this plant and even
some whole-plant medicines,
some whole-plant medicines,
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甚至整个植物所带来的益处，
14:50
from the commercial market for THC.
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和 THC 的商业市场区分开来，
14:53
That's, I think, crucial.
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我认为这相当重要。
14:55
We've got to stop putting them together,
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我们不能再把它们混为一谈了，
14:57
and we've got to say, "OK, here's
the part about getting high,
the part about getting high,
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要区分哪部分是娱乐用途，
哪部分是医疗用途。
15:00
and here's the part about the medicine."
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（鼓掌）
15:03
(Applause)
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15:06
JD: So it sounds like your talk
is less about being anti-cannabis
is less about being anti-cannabis
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JD：听起来你的演讲不是反大麻，
15:12
and more about raising awareness
about aspects of commercialization.
about aspects of commercialization.
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更多是关于提高大众
对商业化的认识。
对商业化的认识。
15:16
Is that a fair way to put it?
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是这样吗？
15:18
BC: Yes. So, I am not the anti-weed guy.
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BC：是的，我不是个反大麻的人。
15:22
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
15:23
I'm the pro-logic guy.
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BC：我是支持理性分析的人。
15:27
For me to cast stones --
listen, I'm a drug addict.
listen, I'm a drug addict.
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让我再澄清一次——
我也是瘾君子。
我也是瘾君子。
15:30
I don't get to do that,
and I don't want to do that.
and I don't want to do that.
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但我不能那样做，
我也不想那样做。
我也不想那样做。
15:33
But what's bothering me
and what's so hard for me
and what's so hard for me
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但让我困扰和难过的是，
15:35
is to see the way
that we are just embracing
that we are just embracing
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看到我们没有质问他们
一些必要的问题
一些必要的问题
15:38
without asking the hard questions,
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就照单全收了，
15:40
when if this was another industry,
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如果这是另一个行业，
15:42
we'd be holding their feet
to the fire on some stuff.
to the fire on some stuff.
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我们一定会对他们施加压力。
15:45
And no, I'm not the anti-weed guy,
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不，我不是反大麻的人，
15:48
I'm the pro-thought guy.
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我是个理性思考的人。
15:49
So: think.
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好好想想。
15:50
I don't even care
if you're smoking when you do it,
if you're smoking when you do it,
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我甚至不关心你抽不抽大烟，
只要你是成年人。
15:53
just so long as you're an adult.
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只要你是个成年人，
15:54
So long as you're an adult,
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好好想想再行动。
15:56
just think.
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15:58
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ben Cort - Author, addiction treatment specialistBen Cort focuses on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field.
Why you should listen
Ben Cort's passion for recovery, prevention and harm reduction comes from his own struggle with substance abuse. Sober since June 15, 1996, Cort has been a part of the recovery community in almost every way imaginable -- from a recipient to a provider to a spokesperson. Cort has a deep understanding of the issues and a personal motivation to see the harmful effects of drug and alcohol abuse minimized.
In 2007 Cort left his position as HR director of a Denver based S&P 500 firm to help start the Colorado-based nonprofit Phoenix Multisport (PM). As an original board member and then their first full-time employee, Cort was instrumental in building the organization, which has received frequent national recognition for their innovative approach to building sober communities around sport and healthy activities.
Following the passage of Coloradro Amendment 64, which outlined a new statewide drug policy for cannabis, Cort was appointed to the Board of Directors of Project SAM (Smart Approaches to Marijuana) as well as NALGAP (the National Association of Lesbian, Gay, and Transgender Treatment Providers and their Allies). Cort's passion about the intersection of recovery and public policy makes him frequent guest in the media.
Cort's first book, Weed, Inc.: The Truth About the Pot Lobby, THC, and the Commercial Marijuana Industry, was released in September 2017. He resigned from his position with the University of Colorado Hospital in their chemical dependency treatment service line in January 2017 to focus on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field.
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