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Ben Cort: What commercialization is doing to cannabis
班柯爾特: 商業化對大麻的影響
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2012年，科羅拉多州將大麻合法化，大麻相關產業很快就變成了數十億的全球產業：從大麻電子筆、到布朗尼，甚至更多。但，教育家班柯爾特說，我們將大麻合法化，其實是誤導——我們真正做的，是將四氫大麻酚給商業化。結果導致很多產品的效能高到完全不自然。在這場讓人開眼界的演說中，班柯爾特探討了商業大麻產業未被看見的影響——並希望我們都能質疑那些從中獲益的人。
Ben Cort - Author, addiction treatment specialist
Ben Cort focuses on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field. Full bio
Ben Cort focuses on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field. Full bio
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00:12
Hey look, if you guys
are anything like me,
are anything like me,
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嘿，聽著，若你們和我很像的話，
00:15
you have found it harder and harder
to turn around recently
to turn around recently
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你們應該有發現，
最近越來越難環顧四週
最近越來越難環顧四週
00:18
without seeing words like "free-range,"
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而不看到像是「自由放養」、
00:21
"farm-to-table,"
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「產地到餐桌」、
「有機製造」等字眼，
「有機製造」等字眼，
00:22
"organically produced,"
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especially here in Colorado.
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特別是在科羅拉多這裡。
00:26
Now, as we've become more conscientious
of the way that we eat in recent years,
of the way that we eat in recent years,
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這幾年，隨著我們越來越
意識到我們吃東西的方式，
意識到我們吃東西的方式，
00:31
these once unfamiliar words have worked
their way into our daily lexicon.
their way into our daily lexicon.
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這些曾經很陌生的字眼也漸漸
進入了我們的日常語彙中。
進入了我們的日常語彙中。
00:36
When we started to pay more attention
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當我們開始更注意我們的食物
00:38
to the way that the food we were eating
interacted with our bodies
interacted with our bodies
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如何和我們的身體以及地球互動，
00:42
and with the earth,
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00:43
the food industry had to listen.
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食物產業也得要傾聽。
00:46
And the results have been really powerful.
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而結果非常強大。
00:49
Now, those of you out there
from states like Washington and Oregon
from states like Washington and Oregon
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在座如果有來自華盛頓、
奧勒崗這些州的人，
奧勒崗這些州的人，
00:54
and, of course, my fellow Coloradans --
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當然，還有科羅拉多的夥伴們——
00:57
(Cheers)
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（歡呼）
00:58
y'all know what I'm talking about.
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你們都懂我在說什麼。
01:02
Because this is not ...
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因為這不是……
01:05
Words like "all-natural" and "homegrown"
are not just being used in our diets.
are not just being used in our diets.
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「完全天然」、
「自家種植」這些字眼
「自家種植」這些字眼
並不只被用在我們的飲食上。
01:11
There's this whole new industry
using this language now.
using this language now.
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現在有一整個產業
在用這種語言了。
在用這種語言了。
你們知道的。
01:17
You guys know.
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01:18
It's weed,
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這產業就是大麻，
01:20
an industry that taxed a sale
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這個產業在 2016 年銷售出
01:22
of about six billion dollars
worth of product in 2016.
worth of product in 2016.
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價值約六十億美元的產品。
01:26
So what if I were to propose to you
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所以，如果我要跟各位說的是，
01:28
that some of what you think you know
about this legalized marijuana thing
about this legalized marijuana thing
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對於將大麻合法化，
你們認為你們所知道的事，
你們認為你們所知道的事，
01:33
could be wrong?
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有些可能是錯的呢？
01:35
Listen, I get it --
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聽著，我懂——
01:36
talking about issues with legal weed
is a pretty quick way to get uninvited
is a pretty quick way to get uninvited
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談論關於合法大麻的議題，
很快就會讓酷孩子們
不再邀請你一起吃飯。
不再邀請你一起吃飯。
01:40
from the cool kids' table.
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01:41
I know that better than most,
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我比大部分人都清楚這一點，
01:45
but I intend to do it anyway.
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但我還是打算這麼做。
01:48
First, before I get started, let me
be perfectly clear about one thing:
be perfectly clear about one thing:
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首先，在我開始之前，
讓我先把一件事說清楚：
讓我先把一件事說清楚：
01:52
my fight is not against the casual
adult use of marijuana --
adult use of marijuana --
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我並不是要反對成年人
偶爾使用大麻——
偶爾使用大麻——
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I don't care about that.
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那不是我在乎的。
01:59
What I care deeply about
is this new industry
is this new industry
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我非常在乎的是這個新產業，
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that is working to convince us
that we are consuming something natural
that we are consuming something natural
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它努力要說服我們，
說我們是在消費天然產品，
說我們是在消費天然產品，
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while fixing social ills,
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同時還能導正社會弊病，
02:07
when we aren't.
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但其實不然。
02:09
So let's start with
a little bit of Weed 101.
a little bit of Weed 101.
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所以，咱們先從
一點大麻基礎知識開始。
一點大麻基礎知識開始。
02:12
Cannabis is a plant that grows naturally
and has been used within textiles
and has been used within textiles
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大麻是一種天然生長的植物，
一直被用在紡織品當中，
一直被用在紡織品當中，
02:15
and even traditional Chinese medicine
for thousands of years.
for thousands of years.
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甚至數千年來都被
中國醫學拿來使用。
中國醫學拿來使用。
02:20
Genesis 1:12 even tells us:
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創世紀 1:12 甚至告訴我們：
02:22
"I have given you all of the seed-bearing
plants and herbs to use."
plants and herbs to use."
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「我已經給了你們所有會結實的
植物和藥草讓你們使用。」
植物和藥草讓你們使用。」
02:26
It's the microphone -- it's got
a TV preacher sort of thing.
a TV preacher sort of thing.
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是麥克風的問題——
它有種電視宣傳功能之類的。
它有種電視宣傳功能之類的。
02:30
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
02:33
Now, cannabis is made up of hundreds
of different chemicals,
of different chemicals,
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大麻是由數百種
不同的化學物組成的，
不同的化學物組成的，
02:36
but two of those chemicals
are by far the most interesting.
are by far the most interesting.
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但目前有兩種化學物特別有意思。
02:39
That's CBD and THC.
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就是大麻二酚和四氫大麻酚。
02:42
CBD is where almost all
of the medicinal properties lie.
of the medicinal properties lie.
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大麻大部分的藥效特性
都是來自大麻二酚。
都是來自大麻二酚。
02:47
It's an incredibly fascinating
part of the plant
part of the plant
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這是這種植物非常迷人的部分，
02:50
with real potential to help people.
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它真的有潛力可以幫助人。
02:53
It also is totally nonintoxicating.
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它也是完全無毒的。
02:57
You could take a bath in the stuff
while vaping pure CBD
while vaping pure CBD
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你可以在這東西裡面沐浴，
同時吸入純大麻二酚，
同時吸入純大麻二酚，
03:00
and drinking a CBD smoothie,
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還一邊喝大麻二酚奶昔，
03:03
and you still couldn't get high.
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就算這樣你也不會有快感。
03:05
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:07
I've tried.
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我試過。
03:08
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
我沒有，沒有啦。那樣太花錢了。
03:10
I haven't, I haven't.
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03:11
That'd cost a lot of money.
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03:13
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:16
Now, for as interesting and remarkable
a part of the plant as CBD is,
a part of the plant as CBD is,
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雖然大麻二酚是這種植物中
很有趣也很了不起的一部分，
很有趣也很了不起的一部分，
03:20
it actually makes up a really tiny portion
of the commercial market.
of the commercial market.
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但它在商業市場中
所佔的比例非常低。
所佔的比例非常低。
03:24
The real money is being made
in that other chemical --
in that other chemical --
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真正能賺錢的，
是那另一項化學物——
是那另一項化學物——
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in THC.
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四氫大麻酚。
03:28
THC is the natural part of the plant
that gets you high.
that gets you high.
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四氫大麻酚是該植物中
會讓你有快感的天然部分。
會讓你有快感的天然部分。
03:31
And before the 1970s,
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在七○年代之前，
03:32
cannabis contained less than half
of a percent of THC.
of a percent of THC.
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大麻中所含的四氫大麻酚
還不到 0.5%。
還不到 0.5%。
03:36
That's what's naturally occurring.
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那是天然的狀態。
03:38
Over the last 40 years,
as we became better gardeners, that --
as we became better gardeners, that --
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在過去四十年間，
我們變成更厲害的園丁——
我們變成更厲害的園丁——
03:43
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:44
that percentage of THC started
to slowly but steadily rise,
to slowly but steadily rise,
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四氫大麻酚的比例
緩慢地但穩定地上升，
緩慢地但穩定地上升，
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until recently, when the chemists
started to get involved.
started to get involved.
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直到最近化學家開始介入。
03:53
So these guys moved grow cycles --
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這些人把生長循環——
03:56
sorry -- these guys moved cultivation
exclusively indoors,
exclusively indoors,
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對不起——這些人把栽培
專門移到室內進行，
專門移到室內進行，
04:00
and they made grow cycles
extremely and unnaturally short.
extremely and unnaturally short.
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且他們讓生長循環變得極短，
短到不符合自然。
短到不符合自然。
04:05
They also started to use
pesticides and fertilizers
pesticides and fertilizers
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他們也開始使用殺蟲劑和肥料，
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in some ways that we
should be concerned with.
should be concerned with.
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且使用的方式是蠻讓人擔憂的。
04:10
In fact, I was recently talking to a buddy
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事實上，最近，
我在和一個傢伙談，
我在和一個傢伙談，
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who had just left a job
at a commercial grow operation
at a commercial grow operation
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他剛辭去了一份
商業農場的工作，
商業農場的工作，
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because he was so concerned
with the chemicals
with the chemicals
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就是因為他被要求
要處理一些化學物質，
要處理一些化學物質，
04:17
that he was being asked to interact with.
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而那些化學物質讓他擔憂。
04:19
Some of his fellow employees
were actually encouraged
were actually encouraged
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他有一些同事還被鼓勵
04:22
to wear hazmat suits
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在將化學混合物灑到植物上時，
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while they were spraying
the chemical cocktails on the plants.
the chemical cocktails on the plants.
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要穿著化學災害處理的防護裝。
04:28
With that kind of manipulation,
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透過那種操作，
04:30
the products that are being sold today
can contain above 30 percent THC.
can contain above 30 percent THC.
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現在販售的產品能夠含有
至少 30% 的四氫大麻酚。
至少 30% 的四氫大麻酚。
04:36
And our concentrates --
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而我們的濃縮物——
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our concentrates can actually contain
above 95 percent THC --
above 95 percent THC --
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我們的濃縮物可以達到
超過 95% 的四氫大麻酚含量——
超過 95% 的四氫大麻酚含量——
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a far cry from the natural plant.
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和原本的天然植物差異非常大。
04:46
Listen, this isn't your grandpa's weed.
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聽著，這不是你爺爺抽的那種大麻。
04:51
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
04:52
This isn't your dad's weed.
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這不是你爸爸的大麻。
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Like, this isn't even my weed.
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這甚至不是我的大麻。
04:58
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:00
If you've ever set foot inside
one of the thousands of dispensaries
one of the thousands of dispensaries
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近年來大麻店如雨後春筍般出現，
若你曾經踏入過
數千間的其中一間，
數千間的其中一間，
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that have sprung up in recent years,
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你就知道他們真正在販售的是
四氫大麻酚。
四氫大麻酚。
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you know that what we're
really selling in them is THC.
really selling in them is THC.
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05:09
All of the weed that you buy commercially
lists exactly how much THC it contains,
lists exactly how much THC it contains,
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你商業購買的所有大麻，
都會列出它含有多少四氫大麻酚，
都會列出它含有多少四氫大麻酚，
05:14
as do our other,
much more popular products
much more popular products
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就像我們其他更普遍的產品一樣，
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like vape pens, coffee, ice cream,
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如電子筆、咖啡、冰淇淋、
05:21
condiments, granola, gum, candy,
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調味品、燕麥捲、口香糖、糖果、
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baked goods,
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烘焙商品、
05:26
suppositories.
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栓劑。
05:28
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:29
And, of course, lube.
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當然，還有潤滑油。
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Pretty much -- no, for real --
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幾乎——不，說真的——
05:33
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:37
pretty much anything that you can imagine
introducing into the human body.
introducing into the human body.
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幾乎你能想像的任何東西，
只要是給人體用的都是。
只要是給人體用的都是。
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The vast majority of cannabis
that's being sold today --
that's being sold today --
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現今大部分在販售的大麻——
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it isn't really cannabis.
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它其實不是大麻。
05:47
It's THC in either a pure form
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它的四氫大麻酚非常純，
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or in an extremely high
and unnatural concentration.
and unnatural concentration.
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要不然濃度至少也是
極高且極不自然的。
極高且極不自然的。
05:54
To say that we have legalized weed
is subtly misleading.
is subtly misleading.
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說我們已經將大麻合法化，
其實是種巧妙的誤導。
其實是種巧妙的誤導。
05:58
We have commercialized THC.
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我們已經將四氫大麻酚
給商業化了。
給商業化了。
06:02
And it's happened really quickly.
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且發生的速度非常快。
06:05
Now, the reason why the commercial market
has so rapidly exploded
has so rapidly exploded
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商業市場之所以如此快速地擴大，
06:08
is because there is a hell
of a lot of money to be made
of a lot of money to be made
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是因為只要靠著滿足
和增加人類想要得到
和增加人類想要得到
06:11
in satisfying and increasing
our desire to get high.
our desire to get high.
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這種恍惚快感的慾望，
真的能賺很多錢。
真的能賺很多錢。
06:15
And that money is no longer really
being made by the mom-and-pop shops.
being made by the mom-and-pop shops.
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那些錢不再是被
家庭式的小店賺走。
家庭式的小店賺走。
06:20
So industry groups and corporations --
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產業團體和企業——
06:23
groups like the Drug Policy Alliance,
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包括藥物政策聯盟、
06:24
the Marijuana Policy Project,
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大麻政策計畫、
Arcview 投資、大麻產業協會——
06:26
Arcview Investment,
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06:27
the Cannabis Industry Association --
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06:30
they've chased out and helped to chase out
a lot of the small-time growers.
a lot of the small-time growers.
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它們趕走及協助趕走了
許多小規模的種植者。
許多小規模的種植者。
06:35
So these cats know that the best way
to continue to profit off of us
to continue to profit off of us
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所以，這些傢伙知道，
若要持續從我們身上獲利，
最好的方法就是依照酒精產業的
「80／20 原則」。
「80／20 原則」。
06:40
is if they follow the alcohol
industry's 80/20 rule.
industry's 80/20 rule.
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06:44
It's simple -- it's where 80 percent
of the product is consumed
of the product is consumed
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它很簡單—— 80% 的產品是由
20% 的消費者所消費的——
有問題的使用者。
有問題的使用者。
06:47
by 20 percent of the consumers --
the problemed users.
the problemed users.
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06:51
The wealthy, white, weed lobbyists --
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富有、白人、大麻遊說者——
06:55
and seriously, they are almost
all rich, white men --
all rich, white men --
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說真的，
他們幾乎都是有錢的白種男性——
07:01
they know that we will consume
more of what they're selling
more of what they're selling
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他們知道，若能把他們販售的商品
變得更有效力，我們會買更多。
變得更有效力，我們會買更多。
07:04
if they jack up the potency.
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07:07
They also know that we are more than
twice as likely to consume THC regularly
twice as likely to consume THC regularly
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他們也知道，
年收入兩萬美元以下的人，
定期消費四氫大麻酚的可能性
07:11
if we earn under 20,000 dollars a year
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07:14
than those who earn
over 50,000 dollars a year.
over 50,000 dollars a year.
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是年收入五萬美元
以上的人的兩倍。
以上的人的兩倍。
07:18
In other words, the poorer you are,
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換言之，越窮的人
07:21
the more likely you are to spend
your money on their products.
your money on their products.
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越有可能把錢花在他們的產品上。
在這個國家，
07:26
And in this country, income
and race are highly correlated.
and race are highly correlated.
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收入和種族是高度相關的。
07:33
One of the reasons we often hear cited
for the legalization of marijuana
for the legalization of marijuana
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大麻合法化的這個議題，我們經常
聽到有人引述的其中一個理由是，
聽到有人引述的其中一個理由是，
07:36
is that it will help to stop
the disproportionate incarceration rates
the disproportionate incarceration rates
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合法化能夠阻止少數族群被監禁
比例很不平衡的情況，
07:40
among minorities,
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07:41
which is something everybody in this room
should be extremely concerned with.
should be extremely concerned with.
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這間房間中的人應該
都極關心這個情況。
都極關心這個情況。
07:47
Unfortunately, we don't
have to look any further
have to look any further
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不幸的是，光是看科羅拉多這裡
07:49
than arrest rates for juveniles
here in Colorado
here in Colorado
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青少年被逮捕的比率，
07:52
to counter that argument.
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就足以反駁那個論點了。
07:54
According to the Colorado
Department of Public Safety,
Department of Public Safety,
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根據科羅拉多的公共安全局，
07:57
since we opened retail in 2014 --
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自從 2014 年我們開始零售——
08:01
almost all of which are in poor,
minority neighborhoods --
minority neighborhoods --
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幾乎全部都是在貧窮、
少數族群的鄰里——
少數族群的鄰里——
08:06
we saw an eight percent reduction
in the arrest of white kids
in the arrest of white kids
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我們發現，白種孩子
因為大麻相關活動
因為大麻相關活動
而遭逮捕的比率有下降 8%。
08:10
for all weed-related activity.
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08:13
Good on 'em.
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幹得好。
08:16
During that same time period,
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同樣的期間，
08:18
there was a 29 percent increase
in the arrest of Hispanic kids
in the arrest of Hispanic kids
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西班牙裔孩子因為大麻相關活動
而遭逮捕的比率卻增加了 29%，
08:21
for weed-related activity
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08:23
and a 58 percent increase in the arrest
of black kids for weed-related crimes.
of black kids for weed-related crimes.
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黑人孩子因為大麻相關犯罪
而遭逮捕的比率則增加了 58%。
08:29
You guys heard that, right?
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你們聽到了，對吧？
08:31
We are actually arresting
more people of color in Colorado
more people of color in Colorado
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在科羅拉多，我們其實
逮捕了更多有色人種，
逮捕了更多有色人種，
08:34
than we were prior to commercialization.
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比商業化之前還要多。
08:38
And you're not reading that in the Post.
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且你在《郵報》上
不會讀到這項資訊。
不會讀到這項資訊。
08:42
Colorado Department of Safety.
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科羅拉多安全部。
08:44
Legal marijuana coming into focus.
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合法大麻成為焦點。
08:48
Another big issue that we have
is in school suspension rates.
is in school suspension rates.
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我們還有另一個重大議題，
就是學校的停學率。
就是學校的停學率。
08:52
So, schools that are
predominantly white --
predominantly white --
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所以，白人較多的學校——
08:55
that is, they have a minority population
of 25 percent or fewer --
of 25 percent or fewer --
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意即，在這些學校中，
少數族群人數在 25% 以下——
少數族群人數在 25% 以下——
08:59
in the first full year of data collection
following commercialization,
following commercialization,
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在商業化之後資料收集的頭一年，
09:03
these schools had a grand total
of 190 drug-related suspensions,
of 190 drug-related suspensions,
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這些學校總共核准了
190 件毒品相關的停學案，
09:08
almost all of which are for THC.
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幾乎全部都與四氫大麻酚有關。
09:12
At the same time,
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同時，
09:13
schools with a minority population
of 75 to 100 percent
of 75 to 100 percent
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少數族群人數為
75%~100% 的學校，
75%~100% 的學校，
09:19
had 801 drug-related suspensions,
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核准了 801 件毒品相關的停學案，
09:24
almost all of which were for THC.
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幾乎全部都與四氫大麻酚有關。
09:27
When discussing minority populations,
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在討論少數族群時，
09:29
one that unfortunately often
gets left out of the conversation
gets left out of the conversation
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在對話中很不幸
常常會被漏掉的族群
常常會被漏掉的族群
09:33
is the LGBTQ community.
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就是 LGBTQ 族群。
09:36
Members of this community are more
than twice as likely to consume THC
than twice as likely to consume THC
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這個族群的成員消費四氫大麻酚的可能性，
09:41
than those who identify
as heterosexual or cisgender.
as heterosexual or cisgender.
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是異性戀或是順性別者的兩倍。
09:46
They also, unfortunately, have
higher rates of mental illness
higher rates of mental illness
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不幸的是，他們的
心理疾病率也比較高，
心理疾病率也比較高，
09:50
and suicide.
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還有自殺率。
09:52
According to a study published in 2014
called "Going to Pot,"
called "Going to Pot,"
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根據 2014 年在《麻煩》刊出的研究
09:55
we see that the unnaturally high levels
of THC found in today's products
of THC found in today's products
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我們可以發現，現今產品中
四氫大麻酚的量高到太不自然，
四氫大麻酚的量高到太不自然，
10:00
actually compound those issues.
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反而導致上述那些議題發生。
10:03
They make them worse.
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結果反而更糟糕。
10:06
Unfortunately, that seems
to matter very little
to matter very little
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不幸的是，對於販售
這些產品的人來說，
這些產品的人來說，
10:09
to the folks who are
selling these products,
selling these products,
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這似乎不怎麼重要，
10:11
because as you just saw,
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因為，如各位剛剛看到的，
10:13
clearly, this is a good consumer base.
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很顯然，這是很好的消費族群。
10:17
Listen, man -- I get it.
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聽著——我懂。
10:19
In many circles, legalized marijuana
is too much of a sacred cow to question.
is too much of a sacred cow to question.
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在許多圈子中，合法大麻
太像是不能質疑的聖牛了。
太像是不能質疑的聖牛了。
10:24
But we need to start this conversation,
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但我們得要開始進行這個對話，
10:26
because what's being sold today
is not natural,
is not natural,
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因為現在販售的產品並不自然，
10:31
and lobbyists and industry are using
social justice as a smoke screen
social justice as a smoke screen
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而遊說者和產業
把社會正義拿來當障眼法，
把社會正義拿來當障眼法，
10:36
so that they can get richer.
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目的是讓自己更富有。
10:40
It's been my own journey to sobriety
that led me to begin questioning
that led me to begin questioning
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是我自己朝清醒邁進的旅程，
讓我開始質疑許多我所見的現象；
10:44
a lot of what I was seeing;
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這也算是我們被教導
要去做的事情之一。
要去做的事情之一。
10:46
that's kind of one of the things
that we're taught to do.
that we're taught to do.
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10:49
When I left Boulder
for the Washington, DC, area
for the Washington, DC, area
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我離開波德，前往華盛頓特區時，
10:53
at 12 years old,
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我十二歲，
10:54
I was transported into a world
where the kind of shoes you wore
where the kind of shoes you wore
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我踏進的這個社群，你腳上穿得鞋子
10:57
mattered more than
just about anything else.
just about anything else.
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幾乎比任何其他事物都重要。
11:00
And my family was just too poor
to help me play that game.
to help me play that game.
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而我的家庭太貧窮了，
我玩不起那種遊戲。
我玩不起那種遊戲。
11:05
So I was faced with a pretty real
crisis of identity.
crisis of identity.
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所以，我面臨到非常
真實的身分認同危機。
真實的身分認同危機。
11:09
In this new scene where there's more
blacktop than treetops,
blacktop than treetops,
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在這個柏油路比樹稍
還多的新景況中，
還多的新景況中，
11:12
man, I just didn't know who I was.
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我開始失去自我。
11:14
So I smoked weed for the first time
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所以，我十三歲時
第一次嘗試抽大麻，
第一次嘗試抽大麻，
11:16
when I was 13.
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11:17
And I loved it.
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結果發現我很愛。
11:20
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
11:21
I instantly found this social group,
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我馬上就找到了一個社交群體，
11:24
and I also just really liked being high.
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且我真的就是很喜歡恍惚的快感。
11:28
I finally found a way to shut this up.
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我終於找到了
一種方法把煩惱關掉。
一種方法把煩惱關掉。
11:33
I quickly turned to other
drugs and alcohol,
drugs and alcohol,
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我很快就轉向其他毒品和酒精，
11:36
and something just woke up
inside of my brain.
inside of my brain.
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而我的大腦中似乎
有什麼醒過來了。
有什麼醒過來了。
11:40
I was a daily user
within a couple of months.
within a couple of months.
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幾個月之內，
我就成了日常使用者。
我就成了日常使用者。
11:42
My addictive use mirrors
many of the stories
many of the stories
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我相信，我的成癮濫用和很多
你們以前聽過的故事都很相像。
11:45
that I'm sure you've heard before.
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11:47
It started out as fun,
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一開始只是好玩，
11:49
it got scary,
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接著變得讓人害怕，
11:50
and then it was just necessary.
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接著就少不了它了。
11:53
Enough said.
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無須多言。
11:56
I got wasted for the last time
on June 15 of 1996.
on June 15 of 1996.
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1996 年 6 月 15 日
是我最後一次喝醉。
是我最後一次喝醉。
12:00
And I --
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而我——
12:01
(Applause and cheers)
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（掌聲及歡呼）
12:09
Thank you.
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謝謝。
12:12
And I've spent the last 21 years
trying to both put my life back in order
trying to both put my life back in order
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我過去 21 年都一直在努力
將我的人生恢復原有的秩序，
將我的人生恢復原有的秩序，
12:17
as well as trying to find
some peace in this world.
some peace in this world.
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同時也試著在這個世界上
找尋一些平靜。
找尋一些平靜。
12:23
And one of the ways I've done that
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我的做法之一是過去十年都投入
12:24
is by working inside of nonprofit
drug and alcohol treatment
drug and alcohol treatment
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在做非營利的毒品及酒精治療，
12:27
for the last 10 years,
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12:28
with groups like Phoenix Multisport,
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合作的團體包括鳳凰綜合運動、
12:30
the University of Colorado Hospital
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科羅拉多大學的醫院，
12:33
and NALGAP --
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以及 NALGAP——
12:34
the National Association for Lesbian, Gay,
Transgender, Bisexual Treatment Providers
Transgender, Bisexual Treatment Providers
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女同志、男同志、變性人、
雙性人治療提供者國家協會
雙性人治療提供者國家協會
12:39
and their Allies.
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及它們的盟友。
12:42
Even after all of my work
on the front lines
on the front lines
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即使我在前線做了這些工作之後
12:45
and as a former consumer myself,
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且我自己也曾經是個使用者，
12:48
I was shocked and pissed
when I started to see
when I started to see
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當我開始看到商業化
對於大麻的影響時，
對於大麻的影響時，
12:51
what commercialization
was doing to cannabis,
was doing to cannabis,
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我還是感到很震驚和火大，
12:54
because, you see, our hope
for something pure and natural
for something pure and natural
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因為，我們本來是希望
產生出更純、更天然的東西，
產生出更純、更天然的東西，
12:58
is making it hard for us to see
what's really going on,
what's really going on,
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這希望卻讓我們很難
看到真正發生的狀況：
看到真正發生的狀況：
13:01
and that is that the rich
are getting richer
are getting richer
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有錢人靠窮人來變得更有錢，
13:04
on the backs of the poor
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13:05
and lying to our faces the entire time.
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且從頭到尾都當著我們的面說謊。
13:08
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
13:12
Thank you.
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謝謝。
13:14
My friends, once again I fear
that we are allowing industry
that we are allowing industry
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朋友們，又一次，
我擔心我們是在允許產業
13:21
to take advantage of the most
challenged among us
challenged among us
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佔我們當中最弱勢者的便宜，
13:24
in order to turn a profit,
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為的不外乎就是利潤，
13:26
much like we saw with tobacco
and food in years past.
and food in years past.
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就像是過去幾年在
香菸和食物產業的狀況。
香菸和食物產業的狀況。
13:31
So when we told the food industry
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所以，當我們告訴食物產業
13:33
that we understood the impact
our choices were having,
our choices were having,
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我們了解我們的選擇
會造成什麼影響，
會造成什麼影響，
13:36
and that we demanded better
for ourselves and our families,
for ourselves and our families,
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且我們的要求是，我們自己
及我們的家人要得到更好的待遇，
及我們的家人要得到更好的待遇，
13:40
that industry got into line.
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產業取得了一致共識。
13:43
So is there any reason why we couldn't
demand the same thing from this
demand the same thing from this
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所以，我們有什麼理由
不對這個產業以及未來
不對這個產業以及未來
13:47
and from future industries who are trying
to get a piece of our paychecks?
to get a piece of our paychecks?
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也想要分一杯羹的產業
做出同樣的要求？
做出同樣的要求？
13:52
What if we made these guys answer
some hard questions?
some hard questions?
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如果我們強迫這些傢伙回答
一些困難的問題呢？
一些困難的問題呢？
13:56
What if we held them to a higher standard
than we are right now?
than we are right now?
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如果我們用比現在
更高的標準來看他們呢？
更高的標準來看他們呢？
14:00
Because as it stands,
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因為，照這種情況，
14:02
for many in our community,
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對我們族群中的許多人來說，
14:05
the grass isn't greener on this side
of commercialization.
of commercialization.
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在商業化的這一邊，
月亮並沒有比較圓。
月亮並沒有比較圓。
14:09
They've just been sold a bag of goods.
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他們只是被推銷了一袋商品。
謝謝。
14:12
Thank you.
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14:13
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
14:20
Jeremy Duhon: I know
this is a sensitive topic
this is a sensitive topic
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傑若米杜宏：我知道這是個
很敏感但也很重要的話題，
很敏感但也很重要的話題，
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but a very important one,
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所以，謝謝你提起它，
並協助我們探討它。
並協助我們探討它。
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so thank you for bringing this up
and helping us explore it.
and helping us explore it.
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You know, a lot of folks
are experiencing health benefits
are experiencing health benefits
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你知道，有很多人從大麻
得到健康益處。
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from marijuana and cannabis.
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What would you say
to that part of the community?
to that part of the community?
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對於那個族群，
你有什麼要對他們說的？
你有什麼要對他們說的？
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Ben Cort: I'm actually glad
you brought that up.
you brought that up.
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班柯爾特：我其實
很高興你提出這件事。
很高興你提出這件事。
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I think one of the most important things
that we can do right now
that we can do right now
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我認為，我們目前能做的事情中，
最重要的其中一項
最重要的其中一項
就是把藥用的情況給分開，
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is to separate out medicinal,
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and especially what's happening
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特別是用這種植物的部分
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and some of the advances
that are being made
that are being made
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或甚至全部所製成的藥物，
14:47
using parts of this plant and even
some whole-plant medicines,
some whole-plant medicines,
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目前發生的狀況以及進展，
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from the commercial market for THC.
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應該要和四氫大麻酚的
商業市場分開。
商業市場分開。
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That's, I think, crucial.
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我認為，那是很重要的。
14:55
We've got to stop putting them together,
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我們不能繼續把它們放在一起了，
14:57
and we've got to say, "OK, here's
the part about getting high,
the part about getting high,
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我們得說：「好，
這部分是在取得快感，
這部分是在取得快感，
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and here's the part about the medicine."
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這部分則是有藥效的。」
15:03
(Applause)
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15:06
JD: So it sounds like your talk
is less about being anti-cannabis
is less about being anti-cannabis
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傑：所以，聽起來，
你的演說並不是在反大麻，
15:12
and more about raising awareness
about aspects of commercialization.
about aspects of commercialization.
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比較是要讓大家意識到
商業化的面向。
商業化的面向。
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Is that a fair way to put it?
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這樣說還算妥當嗎？
15:18
BC: Yes. So, I am not the anti-weed guy.
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班：是的。所以，
我並不是反大麻的人。
我並不是反大麻的人。
15:22
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
15:23
I'm the pro-logic guy.
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我是個支持邏輯的人。
15:27
For me to cast stones --
listen, I'm a drug addict.
listen, I'm a drug addict.
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若要我批評——
聽著，我是個有毒癮的人。
聽著，我是個有毒癮的人。
15:30
I don't get to do that,
and I don't want to do that.
and I don't want to do that.
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我不能那麼做，我不想要那麼做。
15:33
But what's bothering me
and what's so hard for me
and what's so hard for me
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但，讓我很困擾的，
對我來說很困難的，
對我來說很困難的，
15:35
is to see the way
that we are just embracing
that we are just embracing
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是看見我們就直接張開雙手擁抱
15:38
without asking the hard questions,
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而沒有先去問那些困難的問題，
15:40
when if this was another industry,
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如果換做是其他產業，
15:42
we'd be holding their feet
to the fire on some stuff.
to the fire on some stuff.
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我們就會在某些地方對他們施壓。
15:45
And no, I'm not the anti-weed guy,
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不，我不是個反大麻的人，
15:48
I'm the pro-thought guy.
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我是個支持思考的人。
所以：思考一下吧。
所以：思考一下吧。
15:49
So: think.
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我甚至不在乎你在
思考時是否有抽菸，
思考時是否有抽菸，
15:50
I don't even care
if you're smoking when you do it,
if you're smoking when you do it,
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just so long as you're an adult.
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不是未成年抽菸就好。
15:54
So long as you're an adult,
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just think.
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思考一下吧。
15:58
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ben Cort - Author, addiction treatment specialistBen Cort focuses on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field.
Why you should listen
Ben Cort's passion for recovery, prevention and harm reduction comes from his own struggle with substance abuse. Sober since June 15, 1996, Cort has been a part of the recovery community in almost every way imaginable -- from a recipient to a provider to a spokesperson. Cort has a deep understanding of the issues and a personal motivation to see the harmful effects of drug and alcohol abuse minimized.
In 2007 Cort left his position as HR director of a Denver based S&P 500 firm to help start the Colorado-based nonprofit Phoenix Multisport (PM). As an original board member and then their first full-time employee, Cort was instrumental in building the organization, which has received frequent national recognition for their innovative approach to building sober communities around sport and healthy activities.
Following the passage of Coloradro Amendment 64, which outlined a new statewide drug policy for cannabis, Cort was appointed to the Board of Directors of Project SAM (Smart Approaches to Marijuana) as well as NALGAP (the National Association of Lesbian, Gay, and Transgender Treatment Providers and their Allies). Cort's passion about the intersection of recovery and public policy makes him frequent guest in the media.
Cort's first book, Weed, Inc.: The Truth About the Pot Lobby, THC, and the Commercial Marijuana Industry, was released in September 2017. He resigned from his position with the University of Colorado Hospital in their chemical dependency treatment service line in January 2017 to focus on marijuana education and consulting in the substance use disorder treatment field.
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