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Joshua Walters: On being just crazy enough
約書亞•華特斯︰瘋得剛剛好
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在TED的Full Spectrum面試會上，罹患躁鬱症的搞笑藝人約書亞•華特斯遊走在躁鬱之間，講述了精神疾病以及它的「優點」。在這有趣又發人深思的演講中，他問道：「在藥物治癒以及善用躁症的創意優勢與衝勁之間，該怎麼平衡?」
Joshua Walters - Comedian, activist
Joshua Walters is a bipolar comedian whose work explores language, creativity, beatboxing and madness ... Full bio
Joshua Walters is a bipolar comedian whose work explores language, creativity, beatboxing and madness ... Full bio
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My name is Joshua Walters.
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我是約書亞•華特斯
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I'm a performer.
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我是位表演家
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(Beatboxing)
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【口技表演】
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(Laughter)
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【笑聲】
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(Applause)
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【掌聲】
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But as far as being a performer,
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但身為表演家的同時
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I'm also diagnosed
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我也被診斷出
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bipolar.
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患有躁鬱症
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I reframe that as a positive
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我換個想法把它當成件好事
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because the crazier I get onstage,
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因為我在舞台上越瘋狂
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the more entertaining I become.
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我就越有娛樂性
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When I was 16 in San Francisco,
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我16歲那年在舊金山的時候
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I had my breakthrough manic episode
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我的躁症發作了
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in which I thought I was Jesus Christ.
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我以為自己是耶穌基督
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Maybe you thought that was scary,
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也許你們覺得那挺可怕的
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but actually there's no amount of drugs you can take
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但老實說 想靠嗑藥
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that can get you as high
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High到以為自己是耶穌基督
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as if you think you're Jesus Christ.
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還不容易咧
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(Laughter)
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【笑聲】
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I was sent to a place,
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我被送到一個地方
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a psych ward,
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一間精神病院
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and in the psych ward,
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在那間精神病院
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everyone is doing their own one-man show.
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每個人都在唱自己的獨角戲
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(Laughter)
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【笑聲】
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There's no audience like this
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那裡不像現在，有觀眾
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to justify their rehearsal time.
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來讓他們的「排演」看起來正式
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They're just practicing.
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他們不斷地練習
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One day they'll get here.
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好像有一天 他們也會站上舞台
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Now when I got out,
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在我出院後
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I was diagnosed
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我接受了診斷
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and I was given medications
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也拿了藥
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by a psychiatrist.
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精神科醫師開的藥
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"Okay, Josh, why don't we give you some --
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「好吧 喬許（暱稱） 不如我開個......痾.....
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why don't we give you some Zyprexa.
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那個......金普薩（常用精神藥物）給你好了
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Okay? Mmhmm?
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好嗎? 嗯?
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At least that's what it says on my pen."
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至少藥商送的筆上是這個名字」
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(Laughter)
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【笑聲】
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Some of you are in the field, I can see.
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我看得出來你們有人在這個領域工作
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I can feel your noise.
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我聽到你們的笑聲了
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The first half of high school
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在我高中的前半段
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was the struggle of the manic episode,
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我都因為躁症發作而掙扎著
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and the second half
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後半段
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was the overmedications of these drugs,
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則是服藥過量
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where I was sleeping through high school.
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而讓我一路睡到畢業
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The second half was just one big nap, pretty much, in class.
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後半段差不多就是在學校睡一場很長的午覺
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When I got out
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畢業後
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I had a choice.
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我有個機會抉擇
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I could either deny
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我可以排拒
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my mental illness
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我的精神病
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or embrace
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或者是擁抱
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my mental skillness.
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我精神病症的「優點」
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(Bugle sound)
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【口技表演喇叭聲】
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There's a movement going on right now
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現在有一個趨勢
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to reframe mental illness as a positive --
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要人們正面看待精神疾病
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at least the hypomanic edge part of it.
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至少正面看待輕躁症的優勢
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Now if you don't know what hypomania is,
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如果你問我輕躁症是什麼
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it's like an engine that's out of control,
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它就像是失控的引擎
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maybe a Ferrari engine, with no breaks.
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可能是法拉利的引擎 但沒有剎車
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Many of the speakers here, many of you in the audience,
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台下許多講者及聽眾
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have that creative edge,
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就有這樣的創意優勢
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if you know what I'm talking about.
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如果你們懂我在說什麼
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You're driven to do something
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你們被驅使著去做一些
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that everyone has told you is impossible.
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大家都說不可能的事
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And there's a book -- John Gartner.
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有一本書 約翰‧嘉納寫的
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John Gartner wrote this book called "The Hypomanic Edge"
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約翰‧嘉納寫了這本《瀕臨輕躁》
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in which Christopher Columbus and Ted Turner and Steve Jobs
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在書中 哥倫布 泰德‧透納（CNN創辦人） 和賈伯斯
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and all these business minds
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這些頭腦精明的人
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have this edge to compete.
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都有這樣的優勢
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A different book was written not too long ago
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不久前還有另一本
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in the mid-90s
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在90年代中期寫的書
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called "Touched With Fire" by Kay Redfield Jamison
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凱‧傑米森的《為火所染》
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in which it was looked at in a creative sense
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這本書就創意的角度來探討躁鬱症
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in which Mozart and Beethoven and Van Gogh
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提到莫札特 貝多芬以及梵谷
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all have this manic depression that they were suffering with.
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都深受躁鬱症折磨
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Some of them committed suicide.
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他們之中有幾位自殺了
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So it wasn't all
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所以 這種病
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the good side of the illness.
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並不只有好的一面
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Now recently,
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最近
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there's been development in this field.
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這個領域有了新的發展
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And there was an article written in the New York Times,
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紐約時報刊登了一篇文章
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September 2010,
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2010年9月登的
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that stated:
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標題是
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"Just Manic Enough."
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〈瘋得剛剛好〉
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Just be manic enough
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瘋得剛剛好就好
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in which investors who are looking for entrepreneurs
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文章談到有些投資人在尋找企業家
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that have this kind of spectrum --
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有躁鬱症狀的企業家
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you know what I'm talking about --
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你知道我在說什麼
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not maybe full bipolar,
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或許不是完全的躁鬱症
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but they're in the bipolar spectrum --
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而是有一點那樣的症狀
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where on one side,
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或許一方面
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maybe you think you're Jesus,
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他們覺得自己是耶穌
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and on the other side
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也可能同時
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maybe they just make you a lot of money.
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他們就幫你賺了一堆錢唷
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(Laughter)
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【笑聲】
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Your call. Your call.
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完完全全看你怎麼想
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And everyone's somewhere in the middle.
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每個人其實都介於躁跟鬱之間
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Everyone's somewhere in the middle.
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都不是在躁鬱的兩極
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So maybe, you know,
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你們知道嗎 也許
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there's no such thing
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根本就沒有
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as crazy,
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發瘋這回事
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and being diagnosed with a mental illness
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即使被診斷出精神疾病
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doesn't mean you're crazy.
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也不代表你真的瘋了
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But maybe it just means
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或許這只意味著
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you're more sensitive
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你比較敏感
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to what most people can't see
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對於多數人看不到
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or feel.
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或感覺不到的事物敏感
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Maybe no one's really crazy.
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或許沒有人真正瘋
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Everyone is just a little bit mad.
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而每個人都有那麼點狂
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How much
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而你有多瘋狂
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depends on where you fall in the spectrum.
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就要看你離躁鬱的兩極有多遠
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How much
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而你離躁鬱的兩極有多遠
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depends on how lucky you are.
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就要看你多幸運了
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Thank you.
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謝謝
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(Applause)
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【掌聲】
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Joshua Walters - Comedian, activistJoshua Walters is a bipolar comedian whose work explores language, creativity, beatboxing and madness ...
Why you should listen
Joshua Walters is a comedian, poet, educator and performer. He incorporates elements of spoken word and beatbox into his shows in a mash-up of comedy, intimate reflection and unpredictable antics. In the last two years, Walters has performed at theaters and universities throughout North America, Europe and the Middle East.
His eclectic combination of performance disciplines and activity as an educator in mental health has given Walters a national platform and audience. In 2002, Walters co-founded the DBSA (Depression Bipolar Support Alliance) Young Adults Chapter in San Francisco, one of the few support groups specifically for mentally ill young adults in the country. As a facilitator, Walters developed humor to address the subject of mental illness, reframing it as a positive. Walters speaks as a mental health educator and has engaged in mental health advocacy at conventions and in classrooms nationwide.
Joshua Walters | Speaker | TED.com