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David Korins: 3 ways to create a space that moves you, from a Broadway set designer
大衛科林斯: 百老匯劇場設計師教你三種方式，創造出能感動你的空間
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創造總監大衛科林斯說，你不用在百老匯工作，也能設計場景——在你的人生中，你能成為任何空間的場景設計師。科林斯分享了他在做熱門大作《漢密爾頓》和《致埃文漢森》時的洞見，並提供了一個三步驟流程，讓你也能開始創造一個你會想要住在其中的世界。
David Korins - Creative director, set designer
David Korins develops and designs innovative experiences. Full bio
David Korins develops and designs innovative experiences. Full bio
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00:12
You're sitting there,
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你坐在那裡，
00:14
and it's incredibly frustrating.
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感到非常挫折。
這實在讓人抓狂。
你在那裡坐了數個小時，
你在那裡坐了數個小時，
00:19
It's maddening.
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00:20
You've been sitting there for hours,
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用你的二號鉛筆
把那些小圓圈塗滿——
把那些小圓圈塗滿——
00:21
filling in those little tiny circles
with your No. 2 pencil --
with your No. 2 pencil --
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這是學測。
00:24
this is a standardized test.
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00:26
You look up, half-erased chalkboard,
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你抬頭看，黑板上的字
擦掉了一半，
00:29
you can see that perfectly
written cursive alphabet,
written cursive alphabet,
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你可以看見寫得很完美的草寫字母，
00:33
the pull-down maps,
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下拉地圖，
00:35
you can hear, tick, tick, tick, ticking
on the wall, that industrial clock.
on the wall, that industrial clock.
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你能聽到牆上的工業風格時鐘
不停地滴答、滴答、滴答。
00:40
But most importantly, you can feel
that oppressive fluorescent light,
that oppressive fluorescent light,
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但，最重要的是，你能感受到
很有壓迫感的日光燈，
00:45
that death ray over your head.
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你頭頂上的死亡光線。
00:47
Bzzzzzz.
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滋滋滋滋滋。
00:49
And you can't take it anymore,
but you don't have to,
but you don't have to,
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你無法再忍受了，
但你也不用再忍受，
但你也不用再忍受，
因為達林老師說：
「好了，各位，到此為止。」
「好了，各位，到此為止。」
00:52
because Miss Darling says,
"OK, boys and girls, you're done."
"OK, boys and girls, you're done."
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你跳起來——我是指，你已經
什麼都不剩，只留下雲霧狀尾跡。
什麼都不剩，只留下雲霧狀尾跡。
00:55
So you jump up -- I mean, there is nothing
left of you but a vapor trail.
left of you but a vapor trail.
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00:58
You move so quickly, you slam
that little molded plastic chair,
that little molded plastic chair,
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你的動作超快，猛然推開
那張模壓塑膠小椅子，
那張模壓塑膠小椅子，
01:02
and you sprint down the hallway;
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你立馬衝向走廊；
01:04
you go past the Lysol smell
and the BO smell and the cubbies,
and the BO smell and the cubbies,
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你經過了消毒藥水味、
汗臭味，和置物櫃，
汗臭味，和置物櫃，
01:08
and you push the door --
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你推開門——
01:09
(Inhales deeply)
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（深吸氣）
01:11
and finally, you're outside.
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終於，你到了室外。
01:13
Oh, you can feel the wind on your face,
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喔，你能感受到吹拂在臉上的風，
01:15
then the sun on your skin
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照射在皮膚上的陽光，
01:18
and most importantly, the big blue sky.
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最重要的，還有那廣闊的藍天。
01:22
That is a revelation of space.
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那是空間的揭示。
01:25
Making revelations of space is what I do;
I'm a designer and creative director,
I'm a designer and creative director,
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我的工作就是在做空間的揭示。
我是設計師和創意總監，
那是我的工作。
那是我的工作。
01:30
and that's what I do for a living.
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我用各式各樣的方式，
為各式各樣的人做空間的揭示，
為各式各樣的人做空間的揭示，
01:32
I do it for all sorts of people
in all kinds of different ways,
in all kinds of different ways,
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聽起來似乎很複雜，但其實不然。
01:35
and it might seem
complicated, but it's not.
complicated, but it's not.
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在接下來的幾分鐘，
我會告訴各位三種方法，
我會告訴各位三種方法，
01:37
And over the next couple of minutes,
I'm going to give you three ways
I'm going to give you three ways
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讓你能在你的世界中穿梭，
01:41
that I think you can
move through your world
move through your world
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01:43
so that you, too, can make revelations
of space, or at least reveal them.
of space, or at least reveal them.
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這麼一來，你也能做空間的揭示，
或至少展示它們。
01:47
Step one: therapy.
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步驟一：治療。
01:50
I know, I know, I know: blah, blah, blah,
New Yorker, blah, blah, blah, therapy.
New Yorker, blah, blah, blah, therapy.
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我知道，我知道，有的沒的，
紐約客，有的沒的，治療。
紐約客，有的沒的，治療。
但，說真的，治療——你得要
知道你為什麼要做這些事，對吧？
知道你為什麼要做這些事，對吧？
01:54
But seriously, therapy -- you have to know
why you're doing these things, right?
why you're doing these things, right?
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當我拿到設計
《漢密爾頓》的工作時，
《漢密爾頓》的工作時，
01:58
When I got the job
of designing "Hamilton,"
of designing "Hamilton,"
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我和編劇林曼努爾米蘭達
02:00
I sat with Lin-Manuel Miranda, writer,
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02:02
Tommy Kail, director, and I said,
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及導演托馬斯凱爾坐下來談，我說：
02:04
"Why are we telling
this 246-year-old story?
this 246-year-old story?
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「我們為什麼要說
這個已經 246 歲的故事？
這個已經 246 歲的故事？
02:07
What is it about the story
that you want to say,
that you want to say,
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關於這個故事，
你們想說的是什麼？
你們想說的是什麼？
02:10
and what do you want people to feel like
when they experience the show?"
when they experience the show?"
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當觀眾體驗這齣劇的時候，
你們希望他們有什麼感覺？
你們希望他們有什麼感覺？
這很重要。這步驟完成了，
我們就要進行步驟二：設計階段。
我們就要進行步驟二：設計階段。
02:13
It's important. When we get that,
we move into step two: the design phase.
we move into step two: the design phase.
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02:17
And I'll give you
some little tricks about that,
some little tricks about that,
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我會告訴你們一些密技，
但設計階段之所以重要，
02:19
but the design phase is important
because we get to make these cool toys.
because we get to make these cool toys.
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是因為我們能做出很酷的玩具。
02:24
I reach into Lin's brain,
he reaches into mine,
he reaches into mine,
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我進入林的腦袋裡，
他進入我的腦袋裡，
他進入我的腦袋裡，
02:27
this monologue becomes a dialogue.
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這段獨白變成了對話。
02:28
And I make these cool toys,
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我做出這些很酷的玩具，
我說：「這個世界看起來
我說：「這個世界看起來
02:30
and I say, "Does this world
look like the world
look like the world
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是你們認為能夠把你們的劇
給呈現出來的地方嗎？」
給呈現出來的地方嗎？」
02:32
that you think could be a place
where we could house your show?"
where we could house your show?"
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02:35
If the answer is yes --
and when the answer is yes --
and when the answer is yes --
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若答案是「是」——
且當答案是「是」——
且當答案是「是」——
02:38
we move into what I think
is the most terrifying part,
is the most terrifying part,
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我們就要進入我認為
最讓人害怕的部分，
最讓人害怕的部分，
02:41
which is the execution phase.
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執行階段。
02:43
The execution phase is when
we get to build this thing,
we get to build this thing,
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執行階段就要開始把它打造出來了，
02:45
and when this conversation goes
from a few people to a few hundred people
from a few people to a few hundred people
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對話的人數也從只有幾個人，
變成幾百個人，
變成幾百個人，
02:50
now translating this idea.
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把想法實際呈現出來。
02:51
We put it in this beautiful little thing,
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我們把這個美麗的小東西放進來，
02:53
put it in the "Honey, I Shrunk the Kids"
super-sizer machine
super-sizer machine
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把它放在《親愛的，我把孩子縮小了》
戲裡的放大縮小機裡，
再把它放大成原尺寸，
我們不會知道是否做對了，
我們不會知道是否做對了，
02:56
and blow it up full-scale,
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02:58
and we never know if we did it right
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02:59
until we show up onstage and go,
"Is it OK? Is it OK?"
"Is it OK? Is it OK?"
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直到我們出現在舞台上，
說：「可以嗎？可以嗎？」
說：「可以嗎？可以嗎？」
03:02
Here's the thing:
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重點來了：你不需要是林，
03:04
you don't have to be Lin,
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03:05
you don't have to have a book
that you want to turn into a show
that you want to turn into a show
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你不需要有一本書，
然後想要把它變成一齣劇，
然後想要把它變成一齣劇，
一樣能在你的真實人生中這樣做。
03:08
in order to do this in your real life.
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03:10
You're already starring in a show,
by the way. It's called your life.
by the way. It's called your life.
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你已經在一齣劇中演出了，
這齣劇叫做「你的人生」。恭喜。
這齣劇叫做「你的人生」。恭喜。
03:13
Congratulations. (Laughter)
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（笑聲）
但，說真的，莎士比亞說過：
「全世界就是舞台。」
「全世界就是舞台。」
03:15
But seriously, Shakespeare said it:
"All the world's a stage."
"All the world's a stage."
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03:18
He nailed that part.
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那個部分他說得很好。
他很莊嚴地搞砸的部分，
他很莊嚴地搞砸的部分，
03:19
What he screwed up royally
was that part where he said,
was that part where he said,
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是他說：「而我們只是演員。」
03:23
"And we are merely players."
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03:25
It's ridiculous. We're not merely players.
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這太荒唐了。我們不只是演員。
03:27
We are the costume designers
and the lighting designers
and the lighting designers
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我們也是我們自己世界中的
服裝設計師、燈光師，和化妝師，
03:30
and the makeup artists in our own world,
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我想要讓你思考去擔任
你的世界中的舞台設計師。
你的世界中的舞台設計師。
03:32
and I want to get you to think about
being the set designer in your world.
being the set designer in your world.
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03:35
Because I think you can leave here
if you do these three steps
if you do these three steps
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因為我認為，離開這裡之後，
如果你能做這三個步驟，
如果你能做這三個步驟，
03:40
and a couple of little tricks,
as I said, I'm going to tell you,
as I said, I'm going to tell you,
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還有一些我剛說過我等下
會告訴你們的小技倆，
會告訴你們的小技倆，
那麼你就能開始
依你想要的方式改變世界，
依你想要的方式改變世界，
03:43
and you can begin to change the world
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03:45
the way you want to.
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你們想做嗎？
好，大家去寫一齣劇。
好，大家去寫一齣劇。
03:46
You want to do it?
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03:47
OK. Everybody write a show.
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03:48
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）沒啦，開玩笑。
03:50
No. Just kidding.
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好。步驟一：治療。對吧？
03:51
OK. Step one: therapy. Right?
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03:54
How are you feeling?
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你們感覺如何？
03:56
That's what the therapist says:
"How are you feeling today?"
"How are you feeling today?"
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治療師都這樣說：
「你今天感覺如何？」
「你今天感覺如何？」
記住這一點是很重要的，因為
03:59
It's important to remember that,
because when we design the world for you,
because when we design the world for you,
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當我們為你設計世界場景的時候，
04:03
the therapy is important.
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治療很重要。
04:05
It tells you that emotion
is going to become light and color.
is going to become light and color.
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它告訴你，情緒會變成光線和顏色。
04:10
A good example of that light and color
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關於那種光線，有一個很好的例子，
就是我設計的劇
《致埃文漢森》。（歡呼）
《致埃文漢森》。（歡呼）
04:14
is a show I designed called
"Dear Evan Hansen."
"Dear Evan Hansen."
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04:16
(Cheers)
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《致埃文漢森》——喔，天——
04:17
"Dear Evan Hansen" exists -- oh my God --
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《致埃文漢森》所處的世界，
04:19
"Dear Evan Hansen" exists in a world
of almost all light and color.
of almost all light and color.
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是個幾乎有所有光線和顏色的世界。
04:23
So I chose a color: inky-black darkness.
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所以我選擇了一個顏色：
墨黑的黑暗色。（笑聲）
墨黑的黑暗色。（笑聲）
04:25
(Laughter)
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04:26
Inky-black darkness is a color
the way that sadness is an emotion.
the way that sadness is an emotion.
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在墨黑的黑暗色中的情緒是悲傷。
04:31
And this show transforms people,
but not before it wrecks people.
but not before it wrecks people.
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這齣劇會改變人，
但在這之前會先給人挫折。
但在這之前會先給人挫折。
04:35
I bet you're wondering, "How expensive
could the set possibly be to transform you
could the set possibly be to transform you
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我打賭你們在納悶：
「舞台場景要多貴才能
爲你帶來煥然一新的體驗？
爲你帶來煥然一新的體驗？
04:40
if you sit for two hours and 20 minutes
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畢竟你是在墨黑的黑暗色中
坐了兩小時二十分鐘。」
坐了兩小時二十分鐘。」
04:42
in inky-black darkness?"
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04:43
The answer is: cheap!
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答案是：很便宜！
04:46
Inky-black darkness,
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墨黑的黑暗色，
04:48
turn the lights on at the right time.
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在對的時間點把燈打開。
04:50
Seriously, think about leaving
Miss Darling's class.
Miss Darling's class.
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說真的，想想看離開
達林老師的教室時，
達林老師的教室時，
04:53
Inky-black darkness gives way
at the right moment,
at the right moment,
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墨黑的黑暗色在對的時刻退去，
04:56
we fly away that wall and reveal
a beautiful blue sky.
a beautiful blue sky.
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我們遠離那道牆，揭示出
美麗的藍天。
05:01
It blows people away
and it transports them,
and it transports them,
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它能讓人驚訝，
帶他們去不同的地方，
給予他們希望。
給予他們希望。
05:03
and it makes them feel hopeful.
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我們知道這一點，
因為顏色就是情緒，
因為顏色就是情緒，
05:05
And we know this because color is emotion,
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05:07
and when you paint with color,
you're painting with feelings.
you're painting with feelings.
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當你用顏色來作畫，
你就是用感受來作畫。
你就是用感受來作畫。
05:12
So think about that emotion, the one I had
you file away in your mental Rolodex.
you file away in your mental Rolodex.
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所以，想想我讓你歸檔到
你的心理名片盒中的那種情緒。
你的心理名片盒中的那種情緒。
它是什麼顏色的？
它在你衣櫥裡的哪個地方？
它在你衣櫥裡的哪個地方？
05:15
What color is it?
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05:17
Where in your wardrobe does it exist,
and where in your home does it exist?
and where in your home does it exist?
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它在你家裡的哪個地方？
當我們為你設計一齣劇時，
05:20
When we design the show for you,
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05:22
we're going to use that color
to tell you how you feel in certain times.
to tell you how you feel in certain times.
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我們會使用那種顏色來告訴你
在某些時候你要有什麼感覺。
在某些時候你要有什麼感覺。
05:26
But also, you know this exists
because you put the hero in white,
because you put the hero in white,
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但，你也知道它存在，
因為你讓英雄穿白色，
因為你讓英雄穿白色，
05:29
you put the lead character in red,
you put the villain in all black.
you put the villain in all black.
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讓主角穿紅色，讓壞蛋穿全黑。
05:33
It's typecasting. You know that.
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你知道演員會定型。所以，想想它。
05:35
So think about it.
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05:36
But there's also something else
that happens in the world
that happens in the world
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但世界上還有其他的事物在發生，
能協助我們以安全的方式
在世界中穿梭。
在世界中穿梭。
05:39
that helps us move through
the world in a safe way.
the world in a safe way.
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它們叫做建築標準。
05:41
They're called architectural standards.
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05:43
They make us not fall down and go boom.
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它們讓我們不會掉下去而搞砸。
05:46
Doorknobs are all at the same height.
Light switches are all at the same height.
Light switches are all at the same height.
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門把都設在同樣的高度。
燈光開關都設在同樣的高度。
燈光開關都設在同樣的高度。
05:49
Toilet bowls are always --
thank God -- at the same height,
thank God -- at the same height,
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小便斗都——謝天謝地——
設在同樣的高度，
設在同樣的高度，
因為大家用小便斗時都能命中。
05:52
because no one ever
misses the toilet bowl.
misses the toilet bowl.
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但，說真的，
05:54
But seriously,
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what would happen if we started
to tweak those architectural standards
to tweak those architectural standards
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如果我們開始微調那些建築標準，
來得到我們想要的，會如何？
來得到我們想要的，會如何？
06:00
to get what we wanted?
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06:01
It reminds me of the stairs
I made for Pee-Wee Herman.
I made for Pee-Wee Herman.
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這讓我想起我為
皮威赫爾曼製作的樓梯。
皮威赫爾曼製作的樓梯。
06:05
Pee-Wee Herman is a child,
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皮威赫爾曼是個孩子，
06:06
and his entire world is created
so that we perceive Pee-Wee as a child.
so that we perceive Pee-Wee as a child.
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他的整個世界被創造出來的方式，
讓我們覺得皮威是個孩子。
06:12
The architecture and the furniture
and everything come to life,
and everything come to life,
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建築、家具，一切都活了過來，
06:16
but nothing more important
than those stairs.
than those stairs.
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但沒有什麼比那樓梯更重要。
06:18
Those stairs are 12 inches high,
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那樓梯每階有十二英吋高，
06:21
so when Pee-Wee clomps
up and down those stairs,
up and down those stairs,
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當皮威沉重地爬上爬下那樓梯，
06:23
he interacts with them like a kid.
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他以孩子的方式和樓梯互動。
06:26
You can't fake that kind of interaction,
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那種互動是無法假造的，
06:28
and that's the exact opposite
of what we ask people in opera to do.
of what we ask people in opera to do.
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這和我們要求歌劇中的人
所做的完全相反。
06:33
In opera, we shrink those stairs
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在歌劇中，我們把那樓梯縮小，
06:35
so that our main characters
can glide up and down effortlessly
can glide up and down effortlessly
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讓主要的角色能
毫不費力地滑上滑下，
06:40
without ever breaking their voice.
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聲音完全不受影響。
06:42
You could never put an opera singer
in Pee-Wee's Playhouse,
in Pee-Wee's Playhouse,
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把歌劇中的演唱者放到
皮威的劇場中是不可能的，
皮威的劇場中是不可能的，
06:45
(Sings in Pee-Wee's voice)
or they wouldn't be able to do their job.
or they wouldn't be able to do their job.
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（皮威的唱法）他們不可能
唱好他們的歌。（笑聲）
唱好他們的歌。（笑聲）
但你也不能把皮威放到歌劇場景。
06:48
(Laughter)
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06:49
But you couldn't put Pee-Wee
in an opera set.
in an opera set.
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他不能爬上爬下那種樓梯。
那就不是皮威了。
那就不是皮威了。
06:51
He couldn't climb
up and down those stairs.
up and down those stairs.
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他會像詹姆士龐德很優雅地
上下樓梯。（笑聲）
上下樓梯。（笑聲）
06:53
There'd be no Pee-Wee.
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06:54
He'd be like James Bond slinking
elegantly up and down the stairs.
elegantly up and down the stairs.
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那是行不通的。
想想你的場景、你的家、
想想你的場景、你的家、
06:58
It wouldn't work.
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06:59
(Laughter)
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你每天生活的環境。
07:00
Now think of your set, your home,
what you exist in every single day.
what you exist in every single day.
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如果你跟我很像，垃圾筒總是太小，
07:03
If you're anything like me,
the trash can is just too small
the trash can is just too small
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07:06
for the amount of takeout
that you buy every night, right?
that you buy every night, right?
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裝不下你每天晚上
買回家的外帶食物，對吧？
買回家的外帶食物，對吧？
我會不斷在擠壓，
好像我在比薩店捏麵團一樣，
好像我在比薩店捏麵團一樣，
07:09
And I find myself jamming
like I'm kneading dough at a pizza place,
like I'm kneading dough at a pizza place,
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07:12
I'm jamming it in
because I don't understand.
because I don't understand.
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我要把東西壓進去，因為我不了解。
07:15
Or, maybe the light switch in your foyer
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喔，也許你門廳的燈光開關
07:18
is just stashed behind too many
precariously placed coats,
precariously placed coats,
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被一大堆亂放的外套擋住，
07:21
and so you don't even go for it.
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所以你甚至不會去動它。
07:23
Therefore, day after day,
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因此，一天又一天，
07:25
you wind up walking in and out
of a chasm of darkness.
of a chasm of darkness.
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你就只是在黑暗中進進出出。
07:28
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）這是真的。
07:29
It's true.
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但如果空間能揭示出
關於你自己的一些事，
關於你自己的一些事，
07:30
But what would happen if the space
revealed something about yourself
revealed something about yourself
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連你自己都不知道的事呢？
07:34
that you didn't even know?
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07:36
Kanye never told me specifically
that he wanted to be God.
that he wanted to be God.
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肯伊從來沒有明確
告訴我他想要當上帝。
告訴我他想要當上帝。
但——（笑聲）
07:41
But --
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07:42
(Laughter)
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當我們開始合作，
07:43
when we started working together,
we were sending images back and forth,
we were sending images back and forth,
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我們之間來來回回傳著影像，
07:48
and he sent me a picture
of the aurora borealis
of the aurora borealis
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他給了我一張北極光的照片，
有一道閃電穿過它。
07:50
with lightning strikes through it.
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他也給我一些從上頂向下看的照片，
07:52
And he sent me pictures
from a mountaintop looking down
from a mountaintop looking down
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07:55
at a smoke-filled canyon,
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那是個滿是雲霧的峽谷，
07:57
or smoke underneath
the surface of water --
the surface of water --
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或是水面之下有煙霧——
07:59
like, epic stuff.
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都是史詩般的景。
08:01
So the first set I designed for him
was a huge light box
was a huge light box
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所以我為他設計的第一個場景
是一個大型的光箱，
上面有他唱片公司的名字。
上面有他唱片公司的名字。
08:04
with the name of his record label.
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他要耀武揚威地站在前面，
它會閃光，就像雷電。
它會閃光，就像雷電。
08:06
He would stand triumphantly
in front of it,
in front of it,
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08:08
and it would flash lights
like a lightning bolt.
like a lightning bolt.
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史詩般的畫面，
卻像入門工具包的史詩。
卻像入門工具包的史詩。
08:10
And it was epic, but, like,
starter-kit epic.
starter-kit epic.
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我們接著用了一天片天空，
中間有一道裂痕，
中間有一道裂痕，
08:12
We moved on to a large swath of sky
with a tear down the middle,
with a tear down the middle,
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08:15
and through the tear, you could see
deep parts of the cosmos.
deep parts of the cosmos.
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透過裂痕，你能看見
宇宙深處的某些部分。
08:19
Getting closer.
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越來越靠近。
08:21
We evolved to standing
on top of an obelisk,
on top of an obelisk,
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我們演進成站在方尖塔的上面，
08:25
standing on top of a mountainside,
standing on top of boxes.
standing on top of boxes.
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站在山腰的上面，站在箱子的上面。
08:28
You know, he was evolving
as an artist through space,
as an artist through space,
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他身為藝術家，透過空間不斷演進，
08:30
and it was my job to try and keep up.
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我的工作就是要試著跟上去。
08:32
When we did Coachella,
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我們合作科切拉音樂節時，
08:34
there he was,
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他就站在八十英呎寬，
08:35
standing in front of an 80-foot-wide
by 40-foot-tall ancient artifact,
by 40-foot-tall ancient artifact,
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四十英呎高的古老工藝品前面，
08:39
literally handed down from God to man.
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真的是從神變成了人。
08:42
He was evolving,
and we were all witness to it.
and we were all witness to it.
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他在演進，我們都是見證人。
08:45
And in his last show,
which I didn't design but I witnessed,
which I didn't design but I witnessed,
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他的最後一場演出不是我
設計的，我只是見證，
設計的，我只是見證，
在劇中，他完成了自我實現。
08:48
he had self-actualized.
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08:49
He was literally standing
on a floating plexiglass deck
on a floating plexiglass deck
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他真的就站在漂浮的
塑膠玻璃甲板上，
塑膠玻璃甲板上，
08:54
over his adoring fans,
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下面是愛慕他的粉絲，
08:56
who had no choice but to praise
to Yeezus up above.
to Yeezus up above.
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他們沒有選擇，
只能讚頌上面的伊穌基督。
09:01
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）他神話了他自己。
09:02
He had deified himself.
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09:04
You can't become Yeezus
in your living room.
in your living room.
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你不能在你的客廳裡變成伊穌基督。
09:06
The space told him
who he was about himself,
who he was about himself,
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空間告訴了他他是誰，
09:09
and then he delivered that to us.
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接著他把那訊息傳遞給我們。
09:11
When I was 20 years old,
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我二十歲時，
09:13
I was driving through a parking lot,
and I saw a puddle.
and I saw a puddle.
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我開車穿過停車場，
看見一個水坑時，我心想：
「我要左轉，不——壓過它。」
「我要左轉，不——壓過它。」
09:17
I thought, "I'm going to veer to the left.
No -- I'm going through it."
No -- I'm going through it."
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我直駛向那水坑，
接著——噗噗噗——
接著——噗噗噗——
09:20
And I hit the puddle, and -- ffftt! --
all the water underneath my car,
all the water underneath my car,
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水在我的車底下飛濺，
馬上，我也有了一個
「啊哈」的時刻。
「啊哈」的時刻。
09:23
and instantly, I have an aha moment.
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09:26
Light bulb goes off.
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車燈熄了。
09:28
Everything in the world
needs to be designed.
needs to be designed.
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世界上的一切都需要好好設計。
09:31
I mean, I'm sure I was thinking,
"The drainage needs to be designed
"The drainage needs to be designed
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我是指，我確定我當時在想：
「這停車場的排水需要好好設計。」
09:35
in this parking lot."
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但接著，我說：「世界上的一切
都需要好好設計。」
都需要好好設計。」
09:36
But then I was like, "Everything
in the world needs to be designed."
in the world needs to be designed."
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那是真的：如果讓大自然自己來，
09:39
And it's true: left to its own devices,
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它不會為你刻出一條有趣
09:41
Mother Nature isn't going to carve
an interesting or necessarily helpful path
an interesting or necessarily helpful path
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或有幫助的路徑。
09:45
for you.
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09:47
I've spent my career
reaching into people's minds
reaching into people's minds
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我把我的職涯都投入在
接觸人們的心靈，
接觸人們的心靈，
09:51
and creating worlds out here
that we can all interact with.
that we can all interact with.
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在外頭創造出能與我們互動的世界。
09:56
And yeah, you might not get
to do this with fancy collaborators,
to do this with fancy collaborators,
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是的，你可能無法找到很炫的
合作者一起做這件事，
合作者一起做這件事，
但我想，離開這裡之後，
那三個簡單的步驟——
那三個簡單的步驟——
09:59
but I think if you leave here,
those three easy steps --
those three easy steps --
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治療，我想要成為誰？
10:03
therapy, who do I want to be,
why do I do the things that I do;
why do I do the things that I do;
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我為什麼要做我所做的事？
10:07
design, create a plan and try
and follow through with it,
and follow through with it,
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設計，創造出一個計畫，
試著把它實現，
10:11
what can I do;
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我能做什麼？
10:13
execute it --
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執行它——
10:15
I think if you add that
with a little color theory --
with a little color theory --
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我想如果你能再加上
一點顏色理論——
一點顏色理論——
10:17
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
10:18
some cool design choices and a general
disrespect for architectural standards,
disrespect for architectural standards,
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一些很酷的設計選擇，
及對建築標準有一般性的不尊重，
10:23
you can go out
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你就能走出去，
10:24
and create the world
that you want to live in,
that you want to live in,
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創造一個你會想要住在其中的世界，
10:27
and I am going to go home
and buy a new trash can.
and buy a new trash can.
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而我要回家去買一個新的垃圾筒。
10:30
Thank you.
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謝謝。
10:31
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
David Korins - Creative director, set designerDavid Korins develops and designs innovative experiences.
Why you should listen
David Korins is the founder and principal designer of David Korins Design, a multidisciplinary creative firm developing and designing innovative experiences. Korins is currently represented on Broadway with the back-to-back Tony Award-winning hits Hamilton and Dear Evan Hansen. David has worked extensively as a production designer in TV, film and award shows. He also won an Emmy Award for Fox's Grease: Live!
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