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Beverly + Dereck Joubert: Life lessons from big cats
Beverly + Dereck Joubert: Životne lekcije velikih mačaka
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Beverly + Dereck Joubert žive u grmlju, snimajući i fotografirajući lavove i leoparde u njihovim prirodnim staništima. Sa zadivljujućim snimkama (neke nikad prije viđene), oni pričaju o njihovim osobnim vezama s tim veličanstvenim životinjama -- i njihovim pohodom da spase velike mačke od ljudske prijetnje.
Beverly + Dereck Joubert - Conservationists, filmmakers
Documentary filmmakers Beverly and Dereck Joubert have worked to conserve wildlife for more than 25 years. As National Geographic Explorers in Residence, the couple influences public policy and perceptions. Full bio
Documentary filmmakers Beverly and Dereck Joubert have worked to conserve wildlife for more than 25 years. As National Geographic Explorers in Residence, the couple influences public policy and perceptions. Full bio
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Beverly Joubert: We are truly passionate
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Beverly Joubert: Mi doista imamo strast
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about the African wilderness
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za afričkom divljinom
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and protecting the African wilderness,
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i očuvanjem afričke divljine.
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and so what we've done
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I ono što smo učinili
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is we've focused on iconic cats.
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jest da smo se fokusirali na ikonske mačke.
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And I know,
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I znam,
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in the light of human suffering and poverty
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u usporedbi s ljudskom patnjom i siromaštvom
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and even climate change,
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čak i klimatskim promjenama,
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one would wonder,
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neki će se pitati,
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why worry about a few cats?
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zašto brinuti o nekoliko mačaka?
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Well today we're here
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Danas smo ovdje
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to share with you a message that we have learned
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kako bi s vama podijelili poruku koju smo naučili
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from a very important and special character --
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od veoma važnog i posebnog lika --
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this leopard.
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ove leopardice.
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Dereck Joubert: Well, our lives have basically been
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Dereck Joubert: Naši životi su, u osnovi, bili
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like a super long episode of "CSI" --
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kao super dugačka epizoda serije "CSI" --
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something like 28 years.
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kojih 28 godina.
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In essence, what we've done
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U suštini, ono što smo učinili
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is we've studied the science, we've looked at the behavior,
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jest da smo proučavali znanost, promatrali smo ponašanje,
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we've seen over 2,000 kills
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vidjeli smo više od 2.000 ubojstava
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by these amazing animals.
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od ovih zadivljujućih životinja.
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But one of the things that science really lets us down on
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Ali jedna od stvari za koju nam znanost služi,
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is that personality,
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jest ta osobnost,
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that individual personality that these animals have.
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ta individualna osobnost koju te životinje imaju.
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And here's a prime example.
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A ovo je prvoklasni primjer.
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We found this leopard in a 2,000-year-old
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Pronašli smo ovu leopardicu na 2.000 godina starom
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baobab tree in Africa,
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drvu baobaba u Africi,
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the same tree that we found her mother in
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na istom drvu gdje smo pronašli njenu majku
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and her grandmother.
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i njenu baku.
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And she took us on a journey
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I ona nas je odvela na putovanje
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and revealed something very special to us --
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i otkrila nam nešto veoma posebno --
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her own daughter, eight days old.
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njezinu vlastitu kćer, osam dana staru.
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And the minute we found this leopard,
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I u trenutku kada smo otkrili tu leopardicu,
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we realized that we needed to move in,
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shvatili smo kako se moramo približiti.
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and so we basically stayed with this leopard
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I, zapravo, ostali smo s tom leopardicom
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for the next four-and-a-half years --
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iduće četiri i pol godine --
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following her every day,
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prateći je svaki dan,
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getting to know her,
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upoznajući je,
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that individual personality of hers,
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njezinu individualnu osobnost,
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and really coming to know her.
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i doista smo je počeli poznavati.
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Now I'm destined
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Predodređen sam
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to spend a lot of time
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da provodim mnogo vremena
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with some unique,
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s nekim jedinstvenim,
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very, very special,
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vrlo, vrlo posebnim
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individualistic
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individualiziranim
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and often seductive female characters.
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i često zavodljivim ženskim likovima.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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Beverly's clearly one of them,
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Beverly je, očito, jedna od njih,
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and this little leopard, Legadema, is another,
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a ova mala leopardica, Legadema, je druga,
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and she changed our lives.
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i promijenila je naše živote.
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BJ: Well we certainly did spend a lot of time with her --
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BJ: Uistinu smo proveli mnogo vremena s njom --
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in fact, more time than even her mother did.
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zapravo, više vremena nego njezina majka.
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When her mother would go off hunting,
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Kada bi njezina majka otišla u lov,
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we would stay and film.
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mi bi ostali i snimali.
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And early on, a lightning bolt hit a tree
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Ranije, grom je udario u drvo
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20 paces away from us.
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20 koraka od nas.
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It was frightening,
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Bilo je zastrašujuće.
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and it showered us with leaves and a pungent smell.
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I zasulo nas je s lišćem i s oporim mirisom.
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And of course, we were stunned for a while,
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I naravno, stajali smo neko vrijeme,
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but when we managed to get our wits about us,
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ali kada smo se uspjeli trgnuti iz straha koji je bio u nama,
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we looked at it and said, "My gosh,
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pogledali smo i rekli, "Moj Bože,
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what's going to happen with that little cub?
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što će se dogoditi s tim malim mladunčetom?
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She's probably going to forever associate
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Vjerojatno će uvijek povezivati
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that deafening crash with us."
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taj zaglušujući udar sa nama."
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Well, we needn't have worried.
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Nismo trebali brinuti.
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She came charging out of the thicket straight towards us,
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Dotrčala je iz šipražja ravno k nama,
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sat next to us, shivering,
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sjela do nas, drhteći,
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with her back towards Dereck, and looking out.
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s leđima okrenutim prema Derecku, i s pogledom prema van.
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And actually from that day on,
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I zapravo, od tog dana nadalje,
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she's been comfortable with us.
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ona se priviknula na nas.
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So we felt that that day
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Stoga smo osjetili kako je taj dan
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was the day that she really earned her name.
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bio dan kada je uistinu zaslužila svoje ime.
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We called her Legadema,
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Nazvali smo je Legadema,
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which means, "light from the sky."
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što znači "svjetlo s neba".
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DJ: Now we've found these individualisms
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DJ: Pronašli smo tu vrstu individualizma
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in all sorts of animals,
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u svim vrstama životinja,
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in particular in the cats.
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naročito u mačkama.
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This particular one is called Eetwidomayloh,
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Ovaj poseban, je nazvan Eetwidomayloh,
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"he who greets with fire,"
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"onaj koji pozdravlja s vatrom".
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and you can just see that about him, you know -- that's his character.
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I upravo to možete vidjeti u njemu, znate -- to je njegov karakter.
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But only by getting up close to these animals
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Ali, samo s približavanjem tim životinjama
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and spending time with them
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i provođenjem vremena s njima,
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can we actually even reach out
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možemo u stvari doista posegnuti van
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and dig out these personal characters that they have.
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i iskopati te specifične karaktere koje imaju.
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BJ: But through our investigation,
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BJ: No, tijekom naše istrage,
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we have to seek the wildest places in Africa.
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moramo tražiti najdivljija mjesta u Africi.
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And right now this is in the Okavango Delta
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A ovo ovdje je u Delti Okavango
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in Botswana.
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u Bocvani.
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Yes, it is swamp. We live in the swamp in a tent,
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Da, to je močvara. Živimo u močvari u šatoru.
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but I must tell you, every day is exhilarating.
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Ali moram vam reći, svaki dan je stimulirajući.
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But also, our hearts are in our throats
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Ali ujedno, naša srca su nam u grlima
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a huge amount of the time,
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ogroman dio vremena,
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because we're driving through water,
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jer se vozimo kroz vodu,
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and it's an unknown territory.
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a to je nepoznato područje.
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But we're really there
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Ali, zapravo, mi smo tamo
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seeking and searching and filming the iconic cats.
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tražeći i snimajući ikonske mačke.
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DJ: Now one of the big things, of course,
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DJ: Jedna od velikih stvari, naravno,
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everybody knows that cats hate water,
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svi znamo kako mačke mrze vodu.
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and so this was a real revelation for us.
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I stoga je ovo bilo pravo otkriće za nas.
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And we could only find this by pushing ourselves,
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A to smo mogli naći samo potičući se,
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by going where no sane person should go --
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odlazeći gdje nijedna prisebna osoba ne bi išla --
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not without some prompting, by the way, from Beverly --
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ne bez malo poticaja, usput rečeno, od Beverly --
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and just pushing the envelope,
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i jednostavno gurajući omotnicu,
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going out there, pushing our vehicle, pushing ourselves.
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odlazeći tamo, gurajući naše vozilo, potičući nas same.
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But we've managed to find that these lions
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Uspijeli smo otkriti kako su ti lavovi
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are 15 percent bigger than any others,
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15 posto veći od ostalih,
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and they specialize in hunting buffalo in the water.
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i da se specijaliziraju za lov na bizone u vodi.
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BJ: And then of course, the challenge
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BJ: I tada, naravno, izazov
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is knowing when to turn around.
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je znati kada se treba okrenuti natrag.
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We don't always get that right,
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Ne polazi nam uvijek to za rukom.
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and on this particular day,
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A na taj specifičan dan,
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we seriously underestimated the depth.
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ozbiljno smo podcijenili dubinu.
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We got deeper and deeper,
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Išli smo dublje i dublje,
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until it was at Dereck's chest-height.
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do dubine Dereckovih prsa.
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Well then we hit a deep depression,
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Zatim smo došli u jako duboki dio,
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and we seriously submerged the vehicle.
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i ozbiljno smo potopili vozilo.
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We actually managed to drown
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Uspjeli smo, zapravo, potopiti
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two million dollars' worth of camera gear.
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opremu za kameru u vrijednosti od dva milijuna dolara.
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We drowned our pride, I must tell you,
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Potopili smo naš ponos, moram vam reći,
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which was really serious,
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što je bilo doista ozbiljno,
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and we seized the engine.
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i uspjeli smo spasiti motor.
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DJ: And of course, one of the rules that we have in the vehicle
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DJ: I, naravno, jedno od pravila koje imamo u vozilu
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is that he who drowns the vehicle
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je da onaj tko potopi vozilo
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gets to swim with the crocodiles.
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pliva s krokodilima.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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You will notice also that all of these images here
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Primjetit ćete, ujedno, da je sve ove slike ovdje
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are taken from the top angle by Beverly --
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Beverly poslikala iz gornjeg kuta --
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the dry top angle, by the way.
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suhog gornjeg kuta, usput rečeno.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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But all the places we get stuck in really have great views.
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Ali sva mjesta na kojima zaglavimo imaju prekrasne poglede.
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And it wasn't a moment, and these lions came back towards us,
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I nije prošao ni trenutak, a ti lavovi su krenuli prema nama,
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and Beverly was able to get a great photograph.
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i Beverly je uspijela dobiti odličnu fotografiju.
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BJ: But we truly do
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BJ: Ali, doista,
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spend day and night
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provodimo dan i noć
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trying to capture unique footage.
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pokušavajući uhvatiti jedinstvene snimke.
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And 20 years ago,
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Prije 20 godina,
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we did a film called "Eternal Enemies"
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napravili smo film zvan "Vječni neprijatelji"
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where we managed to capture
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gdje smo uspjeli uhvatiti
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this unusual disturbing behavior across two species --
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ovo neobično uznemiravajuće ponašanje dviju vrsta --
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lions and hyenas.
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lavova i hijena.
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And surprisingly, it became a cult film.
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Iznenađujuće, postao je kultni film.
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And we can only work that out
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I jedini način na koji to možemo dokučiti je
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as people were seeing parallels
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kroz ljude koji vide paralele
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between the thuggish side of nature
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između daviteljske strane prirode
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and gang warfare.
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i ratnog sukoba između bandi.
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DJ: It was amazing, because you can see that this lion
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DJ: Bilo je nevjerojatno, jer možete vidjeti kako ovaj lav
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is doing exactly what his name,
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čini upravo ono što njegovo ime,
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Eetwidomayloh, represents.
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Eetwidomayloh, predstavlja.
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He's focused on this hyena,
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On je fokusiran na ovu hijenu,
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and he is going to get it.
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i ulovit će je.
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(Animal sounds)
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(Životinjski zvukovi)
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But that's, I think, what this is all about,
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Ali to je, mislim, ono o čemu se radi,
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is that these individuals have these personalities and characters.
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da ti pojedinci imaju te osobnosti i karaktere.
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But for us to get them, not only do we push ourselves,
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Ali za nas da ih dobijemo, ne samo da moramo gurati sami sebe,
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but we live by certain rules of engagement,
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već živimo prema određenim pravilima angažmana,
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which mean we can't interfere.
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što znači da se ne smijemo miješati.
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This sort of behavior has been going on
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Taj oblik ponašanja se događa
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for three, four, five million years,
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već tri, četiri, pet milijuna godina,
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and we can't step in and say, "That's wrong, and that's right."
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i ne možemo zakoračiti unutra i reći, "To je krivo, a to je pravilno."
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But that's not always easy for us.
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Ali to nama nije uvijek lako.
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BJ: So, as Dereck says,
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BJ: Kao što Dereck kaže,
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we have to work through extremes --
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moramo raditi u ekstremnim uvjetima --
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extreme temperatures, push ourselves at night.
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ekstremne temperature, gurati nas tijekom noći.
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Sleep deprivation is extreme.
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Nedostatak sna je ekstreman.
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We're on the edge
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Na granici smo
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through a large part of the time.
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velik dio vremena.
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But, for 10 years, we tried to capture
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10 godina smo pokušavali uhvatiti
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lions and elephants together --
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lavove i slonove zajedno --
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and never ever managed
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i nikad, ikad nismo uspjeli
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until this particular night.
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sve do ove specifične noći.
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And I have to tell you
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I moram vam reći
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that it was a disturbing night for me.
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da je to bila uznemirujuća noć za mene.
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I had tears rolling down my cheeks.
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Suze su mi klizile niz obraze.
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I was shaking with anxiety,
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Tresla sam se od tjeskobe.
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but I knew that [I had] to capture something
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Ali znala sam to da bi se uhvatilo nešto
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that had never been seen before, had never been documented.
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što nikad prije nije bilo viđeno, što nikad prije nije bilo dokumentirano.
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And I do believe you should stay with us.
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I vjerujem kako biste trebali ostati s nama.
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DJ: The amazing thing about these moments --
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DJ: Nevjerojatna stvar o tim trenucima --
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and this is probably a highlight of our career --
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a to je vjerojatno vrhunac naše karijere --
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is that you never know how it's going to end.
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jest da nikada ne znate kako će završiti.
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Many people believe, in fact,
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Mnogi ljudi vjeruju, u biti,
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that death begins in the eyes, not in the heart,
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kako smrt počinje u očima, ne u srcu,
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not in the lungs,
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ne u plućima.
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and that's when people give up hope,
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A tada se ljudi odreknu nade,
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or when any life form gives up hope.
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ili bilo koji oblik života se odrekne nade.
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And you can see the start of it here.
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I možete vidjeti početak toga ovdje.
07:44
This elephant, against overwhelming odds,
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Ovaj slon, protivno pobjedničkim izgledima,
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simply gives up hope.
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jednostavo se odrekao nade.
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But by the same token,
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Ali, pomoću istog znaka,
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you can get your hope back again.
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možete vratiti svoju nadu.
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So just when you think it's all over, something else happens,
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Stoga, kada mislite da je sve gotovo, nešto drugo se dogodi,
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some spark gets into you,
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neka iskra uđe u vas,
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some sort of will to fight --
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neka vrste volje za borbom --
08:16
that iron will that we all have,
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ta željezna volja koju svi imamo,
08:18
that this elephant has,
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koju ovaj slon ima,
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that conservation has, that big cats have.
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koju konzervacija ima, koju velike mačke imaju.
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Everything has that will to survive,
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Sve ima tu volju za preživjeti,
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to fight, to push through that mental barrier
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za boriti se, za proći kroz tu mentalnu barijeru
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and to keep going.
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i nastaviti ići dalje.
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And for us, in many ways,
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I za nas, na mnoge načine,
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this elephant has become
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ovaj slon je postao
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a symbol of inspiration for us,
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simbolom naše inspiracije,
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a symbol of that hope as we go forward in our work.
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simbolom nade za napredak u našem poslu.
08:40
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:51
Now back to the leopard.
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Sada, natrag na leopardicu.
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We were spending so much time with this leopard
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Provodili smo tako mnogo vremena s tom leopardicom
08:55
and getting to understand her individualism,
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i počeli smo shvaćati njezin individualizam,
08:57
her personal character,
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njezin specifični karakter,
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that maybe we were taking it a little bit far.
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da smo, možda, otišli malo predaleko.
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We were perhaps taking her for granted,
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Možda smo je uzimali zdravo za gotovo,
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and maybe she didn't like that that much.
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a njoj se možda to i nije previše sviđalo.
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This is about couples working together,
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Radi se o parovima koji rade zajedno,
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and so I do need to say that within the vehicle
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i zato moram reći kako unutar vozila
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we have quite strict territories, Beverly and I.
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imamo prilično stroga područja, Beverly i ja.
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Beverly sits on the one side
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Beverly sjedi na jednoj strani
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where all her camera gear is,
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gdje se nalazi sva njezina kamermanska oprema,
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and I'm on the other side where my space is.
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a ja sam na drugoj strani gdje je moj prostor.
09:21
These are precious to us, these divides.
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One su dragocjene za nas, te razdiobe.
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BJ: But when this little cub saw
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BJ: Ali kada je to malo mladunče vidjelo
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that I had vacated my seat
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da sam ja napustila svoje mjesto
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and climbed to the back to get some camera gear,
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i otišla iza po još kamermanske opreme,
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she came in like a curious cat
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ušla je unutra poput znatiželjne mačke
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to come and investigate.
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da dođe i istraži.
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It was phenomenal, and we felt grateful
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Bilo je fenomenalno, i osjećali smo zahvalnost
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that she trusted us to that extent.
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što nam je vjerovala do te granice.
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But at the same time, we were concerned
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Ali, u isto vrijeme, bili smo zabrinuti
09:41
that if she created this as a habit
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da ako ona to pretvori u naviku
09:43
and jumped into somebody else's car,
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i skoči u nečiji drugi auto,
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it might not turn out the same way --
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da ne bi moglo završiti na isti način --
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she might get shot for that.
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mogla bi biti upucana zbog toga.
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So we knew we had to react quickly.
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Stoga smo znali kako moramo brzo reagirati.
09:52
And the only way we thought we could
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I jedini način kojeg smo se dosjetili,
09:55
without scaring her
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bez da je uplašimo,
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is to try and simulate a growl like her mother would make --
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je da pokušamo simulirati režanje poput njezine majke --
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a hiss and a sound.
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siktanje i zvuk.
10:01
So Dereck turned on the heater fan in the car --
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Dereck je stoga upalio grijanje u autu --
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very innovative.
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veoma inovativno.
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DJ: It was the only way for me to save the marriage,
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DJ: Bio je to jedini način za mene da spasim brak,
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because Beverly felt she was being replaced, you see.
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jer, vidite, Beverly se osjećala nadomještenom.
10:09
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:12
But really and truly, this was how
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Ali, doista, ovako je
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this little leopard was displaying
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ova mala leopardica iskazivala
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her individual personality.
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svoju osobnost.
10:18
But nothing prepared us
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Ali ništa nas nije pripremilo
10:20
for what happened next in our relationship with her,
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za ono što se sljedeće dogodilo u našoj vezi s njom,
10:22
when she started hunting.
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kada je počela loviti.
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BJ: And on this first hunt, we truly were excited.
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BJ: Na tom prvom lovu, bili smo uistinu uzbuđeni.
10:27
It was like watching a graduation ceremony.
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Kao da gledam proslavu promocije.
10:29
We felt like we were surrogate parents.
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Osjećali smo se poput zamjenskih roditelja.
10:31
And of course, we knew now
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I, naravno, sada smo znali
10:33
that she was going to survive.
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da će preživjeti.
10:35
But only when we saw the tiny baby baboon
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Ali tek kada smo vidjeli ovu sićušnu bebu pavijana,
10:38
clinging to the mother's fur
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priljepljenu na majčino krzno
10:40
did we realize that something very unique
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shvatili smo da se nešto veoma jedinstveno
10:42
was taking place here with Legadema.
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događa ovdje s Legademom.
10:45
And of course, the baby baboon was so innocent,
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I, naravno, mali pavijan je bio toliko nevin,
10:48
it didn't turn and run.
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nije se okrenuo i otrčao.
10:50
So what we watched
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Ono što smo promatrali
10:52
over the next couple of hours
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kroz idućih par sati
10:54
was very unique.
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je bilo veoma jedinstveno.
10:57
It was absolutely amazing
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Bilo je potpuno zadivljujuće
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when she picked it up to safety,
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kada ga je odnijela na sigurno,
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protecting it from the hyena.
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štiteći ga od hijena.
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And over the next five hours,
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I kroz idućih pet sati,
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she took care of it.
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vodila je brigu o njemu.
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We realized that we actually don't know everything,
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Shvatili smo da, zapravo, ne znamo sve,
11:12
and that nature is so unpredictable,
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i da je priroda toliko nepredvidljiva,
11:16
we have to be open at all times.
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da moramo biti otvoreni prema njoj svo vrijeme.
11:19
DJ: Okay, so she was a little bit rough.
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DJ: U redu, bila je pomalo gruba.
11:21
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:26
But in fact,
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Ali, u biti,
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what we were seeing here was interesting.
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ono što smo vidjeli ovdje je bilo zanimljivo.
11:33
Because she is a cub wanting to play,
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Jer ona je mladunče željno igre,
11:36
but she was also a predator needing to kill,
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ali ujedno je bila i grabljivica s instinktom za ubijanje,
11:39
and yet conflicted in some way,
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i donekle sukobljena,
11:41
because she was also an emerging mother.
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jer je bila još i majka u nastajanju.
11:44
She had this maternal instinct,
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Imala je taj materinji instinkt,
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much like a young girl on her way to womanhood,
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kao što ima i mlada djevojka na svom putu ka ženstvenosti.
11:50
and so this really took us to this new level
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I tako nas je to doista odvelo na tu novu razinu
11:53
of understanding that personality.
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razumijevanja te osobnosti.
11:58
BJ: And of course, through the night, they lay together.
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BJ: I, naravno, tijekom noći, ležali su zajedno.
12:01
They ended up sleeping for hours.
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Spavali su satima.
12:03
But I have to tell you --
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Ali, moram vam reći -
12:05
everybody always asks, "What happened to the baby baboon?"
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svi uvijek pitaju, "Što se dogodilo bebi pavijanu?"
12:07
It did die,
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Uginuo je.
12:09
and we suspect it was from the freezing winter nights.
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I mi sumnjamo na smrzavajuće zimske noći.
12:13
DJ: So at this stage, I guess,
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DJ: Dakle, u ovom stadiju, nagađam,
12:15
we had very, very firm ideas
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imali smo jako, jako čvrste ideje
12:17
on what conservation meant.
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o značenju očuvanja.
12:19
We had to deal with these individual personalities.
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Morali smo se nositi s tim specifičnim osobnostima.
12:22
We had to deal with them with respect
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Morali smo se odnositi prema njima s poštovanjem
12:25
and celebrate them.
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i slaviti ih.
12:27
And so we, with the National Geographic, formed the Big Cats Initiative
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I tako smo mi, s National Geographicom, pokrenuli "Inicijativu velikih mačaka"
12:30
to march forward into conservation,
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kako bi koračali naprijed prema očuvanju,
12:32
taking care of the big cats that we loved --
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vodeći brigu o velikim mačkama koje smo voljeli --
12:34
and then had an opportunity to look back over the last 50 years
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i imajući priliku gledati unatrag posljednjih 50 godina
12:37
to see how well we had all collectively been doing.
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i vidjeti kakav smo napredak zajednički ostvarili.
12:40
So when Beverly and I were born,
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Kada smo Beverly i ja rođeni,
12:42
there were 450,000 lions,
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bilo je 450.000 lavova,
12:44
and today there are 20,000.
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a danas ih ima 20.000.
12:47
Tigers haven't fared any better --
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Ni tigrovi nisu imali bolji put -
12:49
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s 45.000
12:51
down to maybe 3,000.
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na možda 3.000.
12:53
BJ: And then cheetahs have crashed
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BJ: A gepardi su se smanjili
12:55
all the way down to 12,000.
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na svega 12.000.
12:57
Leopards have plummeted
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Leopardi su pali
12:59
from 700,000
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sa 700.000
13:01
down to a mere 50,000.
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na pukih 50.000.
13:03
Now in the extraordinary time
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U ovom izvanrednom vremenu
13:05
that we have worked with Legadema --
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u kojem smo radili s Legademom,
13:07
which is really over a five-year period --
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što je zapravo period od pet godina --
13:09
10,000 leopards were legally shot
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10.000 leoparda je bilo legalno ubijeno
13:12
by safari hunters.
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od strane lovaca na safarijima.
13:14
And that's not the only leopards
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A to nisu jedini leopardi
13:16
that were being killed through that period.
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koji su ubijeni u tom periodu.
13:18
There's an immense amount of poaching as well,
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Postoji neizmjerna količina lovokrađe.
13:21
and so possibly the same amount.
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Moguće čak i u istoj količini.
13:23
It's simply not sustainable.
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Jednostavno nije održivo.
13:25
We admire them,
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Divimo im se,
13:27
and we fear them,
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i bojimo ih se.
13:29
and yet, as man, we want to steal their power.
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A ipak, kao ljudi, želimo ukrasti njihove moći.
13:34
It used to be the time
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Bila su vremena
13:36
where only kings wore a leopard skin,
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kada su samo kraljevi nosili kožu leoparda,
13:39
but now throughout rituals and ceremonies,
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ali sada kroz rituale i ceremonije,
13:41
traditional healers and ministers.
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tradicionalni iscjelitelji i poslanici.
13:44
And of course, looking at this lion paw
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I, naravno, gledajući ovu lavlju šapu
13:47
that has been skinned,
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kojoj je koža skinuta,
13:49
it eerily reminds me
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jezivo me podsjeća
13:51
of a human hand,
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na ljudsku ruku.
13:53
and that's ironic, because their fate is in our hands.
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A to je ironično, jer njihova sudbina je u našim rukama.
13:56
DJ: There's a burgeoning bone trade.
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DJ: Trgovina kostima je u procvatu.
13:58
South Africa just released some lion bones onto the market.
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Južna Afrika je upravo izbacila nekoliko lavljih kosti na tržište.
14:01
Lion bones and tiger bones look exactly the same,
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Kosti lava i kosti tigra izgledaju potpuno jednako,
14:04
and so in a stroke, the lion bone industry
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i u jednom potezu, industrija lavljih kosti
14:07
is going to wipe out all the tigers.
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će izbrisati sve tigrove.
14:10
So we have a real problem here,
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Dakle, imamo stvaran problem ovdje,
14:12
no more so than the lions do, the male lions.
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ne veći od onog koji imaju lavovi, muški lavovi.
14:15
So the 20,000 lion figure that you just saw
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Brojka od 20.000 lavova koju ste upravo vidjeli
14:18
is actually a red herring,
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je zapravo crvena haringa,
14:20
because there may be 3,000 or 4,000 male lions,
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jer postoji možda tri ili 4.000 muških lavova,
14:23
and they all are actually
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i svi su, zapravo,
14:25
infected with the same disease.
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zaraženi istom bolešću.
14:27
I call it complacency --
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Zove se samozadovoljstvo --
14:29
our complacency.
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naše samozadovoljstvo.
14:31
Because there's a sport, there's an activity going on
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Jer postoji sport, postoji aktivnost u tijeku
14:34
that we're all aware of, that we condone.
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koje smo svi svjesni, a koju opraštamo.
14:40
And that's probably because we haven't seen it
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A to je, vjerojatno, jer je nismo vidjeli
14:42
like we are today.
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kao danas.
14:46
BJ: And you have to know
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BJ: A morate znati
14:48
that, when a male lion is killed,
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da, kada je muški lav ubijen,
14:50
it completely disrupts the whole pride.
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potpuno poremeti cijeli čopor.
14:53
A new male comes into the area
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Novi mužjak dođe na to područje
14:55
and takes over the pride,
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i preuzme čopor,
14:57
and, of course, first of all kills all the cubs
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i naravno, prvo ubije svu mladunčad
15:00
and possibly some of the females that are defending their cubs.
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i moguće neke ženke koje štite svoju mladunčad.
15:03
So we've estimated
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Dakle, procjenjujemo
15:05
that between 20 [and] 30 lions are killed
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da je između 20 do 30 lavova ubijeno
15:08
when one lion is hanging on a wall
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kada jedan lav visi na zidu
15:11
somewhere in a far-off place.
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negdje na dalekom mjestu.
15:13
DJ: So what our investigations have shown
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DJ: Ono što su naša istraživanja pokazala
15:15
is that these lions are essential.
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je da su ti lavovi bitni.
15:17
They're essential to the habitat.
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Oni su bitni za stanište.
15:19
If they disappear,
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Ako oni nestanu,
15:21
whole ecosystems in Africa disappear.
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cijeli ekosustavi u Africi nestanu.
15:24
There's an 80-billion-dollar-a-year
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80 milijardi dolara godišnje
15:26
ecotourism revenue stream into Africa.
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se slijeva u Afriku u obliku prihoda od eko-turizma.
15:29
So this is not just a concern about lions;
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Dakle, to nije samo zabrinutost o lavovima,
15:32
it's a concern about communities in Africa as well.
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to je ujedno, zabrinutost o zajednicama u Africi.
15:35
If they disappear, all of that goes away.
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Ako oni nestanu, sve to će nestati.
15:38
But what I'm more concerned about in many ways
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Ali ono oko čega sam više zabrinut u mnogo pogleda
15:41
is that, as we de-link ourselves from nature,
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je da, kako se odvajamo od prirode,
15:44
as we de-link ourselves spiritually
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kako se duhovno odvajamo
15:46
from these animals,
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od tih životinja,
15:48
we lose hope,
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gubimo nadu,
15:51
we lose that spiritual connection,
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gubimo tu duhovnu povezanost,
15:54
our dignity, that thing within us
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naše dostojansvo, tu stvar u nama
15:57
that keeps us connected to the planet.
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koja nas povezuje s planetom.
15:59
BJ: So you have to know, looking into the eyes
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BJ: Morate znati, gledajući u oči
16:02
of lions and leopards right now,
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lavovima i tigrovima upravo sada,
16:05
it is all about critical awareness.
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radi se o kritičnoj osviještenosti.
16:07
And so what we are doing,
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I ono što radimo,
16:09
in February, we're bringing out a film called "The Last Lion,"
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u veljači, objavljujemo film zvan "Posljednji lav".
16:12
and "The Last Lion" is exactly
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A "Posljednji lav" je upravo
16:14
what is happening right now.
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ono što se događa baš sada.
16:16
That is the situation we're in --
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To je situacija u kojoj se nalazimo --
16:18
the last lions.
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posljednji lavovi.
16:20
That is, if we don't take action and do something,
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To jest, ukoliko ne poduzmemo akciju i napravimo nešto,
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these plains will be completely devoid
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ove ravnice će biti u potpunosti lišene
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of big cats,
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velikih mačaka,
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and then, in turn, everything else will disappear.
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a onda, zauzvrat, sve ostalo će nestati.
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And simply, if we can't protect them,
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I jednostavno, ako ih ne možemo zaštiti,
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we're going to have a job protecting ourselves as well.
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imat ćemo posla štiteći također sebe.
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DJ: And in fact, that original thing that we spoke about
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DJ: I zapravo, izvorna stvar o kojoj smo pričali
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and designed our lives by --
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i prema tome dizajnirali naše živote --
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that conservation was all about respect
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to očuvanje je bilo uvijek o poštovanju
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and celebration --
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i slavlju --
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is probably true. That's really what it needs.
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je vjerojatno istinito; to je ono što trebaju.
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We need it. We respect and celebrate each other
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Mi to trebamo. Poštujemo i slavimo jedni druge
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as a man and a woman, as a community
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kao muškarca i kao ženu, kao zajednicu
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and as part of this planet,
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i kao dio ovog planeta,
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and we need to continue that.
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i moramo nastaviti to činiti.
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And Legadema?
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A Legadema?
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Well we can report, in fact,
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Možemo priopćiti, u biti,
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that we're grandparents.
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da smo baka i djed.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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BJ/DJ: Thank you very much.
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BJ/DJ: Puno vam hvala.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Beverly + Dereck Joubert - Conservationists, filmmakersDocumentary filmmakers Beverly and Dereck Joubert have worked to conserve wildlife for more than 25 years. As National Geographic Explorers in Residence, the couple influences public policy and perceptions.
Why you should listen
For nearly three decades, conservationists Beverly and Dereck Joubert have celebrated nature and wildlife in documentaries, books, scientific journals, photographs and magazine articles. The couple’s arresting visual work—which includes the widely viewed film Eternal Enemies: Lions and Hyena -- has earned them five Emmys and many other awards. The Jouberts, both National Geographic Explorers in Residence based in Botswana, are dedicated to understanding and preserving key species throughout the African continent. The couple is particularly interested in large predators, and lead the Big Cats Initiative, a campaign to stop dwindling populations and bolster public awareness.
Beverly and Dereck are also building a new model for preservation as partners in Great Plains Conservation. Striking a balance of preservation, community and commerce, GPC aims to save endangered habitats in Africa and surrounding the Indian Ocean through low-impact tourism and the sale of carbon credits and villas or bush homes.
Their new movie is The Last Lions, opening February 18, 2011.
Beverly + Dereck Joubert | Speaker | TED.com