ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Beverly + Dereck Joubert - Conservationists, filmmakers
Documentary filmmakers Beverly and Dereck Joubert have worked to conserve wildlife for more than 25 years. As National Geographic Explorers in Residence, the couple influences public policy and perceptions.

Why you should listen

For nearly three decades, conservationists Beverly and Dereck Joubert have celebrated nature and wildlife in documentaries, books, scientific journals, photographs and magazine articles. The couple’s arresting visual work—which includes the widely viewed film Eternal Enemies: Lions and Hyena -- has earned them five Emmys and many other awards. The Jouberts, both National Geographic Explorers in Residence based in Botswana, are dedicated to understanding and preserving key species throughout the African continent. The couple is particularly interested in large predators, and lead the Big Cats Initiative, a campaign to stop dwindling populations and bolster public awareness.

Beverly and Dereck are also building a new model for preservation as partners in Great Plains Conservation. Striking a balance of preservation, community and commerce, GPC aims to save endangered habitats in Africa and surrounding the Indian Ocean through low-impact tourism and the sale of carbon credits and villas or bush homes.

Their new movie is The Last Lions, opening February 18, 2011.

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Beverly + Dereck Joubert: Life lessons from big cats

Beverly + Dereck Joubert: “大猫们”的生命课堂

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Beverly Joubert和Dereck Joubert长期驻守在荒野中,在狮子和花豹的自然生境中对它们进行录影和拍摄。在这里,他们向我们展示了绝妙的画面(一些是我们从未见过的)。同时,本片讲述了他们与这些雄伟的动物间长期建立的关系——他们也呼吁人们挽救这些大型猫科动物,使它们免受人类的威胁。
- Conservationists, filmmakers
Documentary filmmakers Beverly and Dereck Joubert have worked to conserve wildlife for more than 25 years. As National Geographic Explorers in Residence, the couple influences public policy and perceptions. Full bio

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Beverly贝弗利 Joubert茹贝尔: We are truly passionate多情
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Beverly Joubert (BJ):我们真地非常热衷于
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about the African非洲人 wilderness荒野
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and protecting保护 the African非洲人 wilderness荒野,
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及对这些荒原的保护。
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and so what we've我们已经 doneDONE
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因此,一直以来,
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is we've我们已经 focused重点 on iconic标志性的 cats.
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我们都在关注标志性的猫科动物。
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And I know,
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是的,我知道,
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in the light of human人的 suffering痛苦 and poverty贫穷
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面对人类困难和贫困,
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and even climate气候 change更改,
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甚至气候变化,
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one would wonder奇迹,
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你或许会问,
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why worry担心 about a few少数 cats?
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何必要为几只猫而忧心忡忡?
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Well today今天 we're here
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今天,在这里,我们
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to share分享 with you a message信息 that we have learned学到了
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要和大家分享我们
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from a very important重要 and special特别 character字符 --
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从一个非常重要而特殊的角色——
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this leopard.
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这只花豹——身上所学到的东西。
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Dereck德雷克 Joubert茹贝尔: Well, our lives生活 have basically基本上 been
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Dereck Joubert (DJ): 我们的生活基本上可以算是
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like a super long episode插曲 of "CSICSI" --
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一集超长的“犯罪现场调查(CSI)”——
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something like 28 years年份.
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大约长达28年之久。
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In essence本质, what we've我们已经 doneDONE
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实质上,我们一直在做的事情包括:
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is we've我们已经 studied研究 the science科学, we've我们已经 looked看着 at the behavior行为,
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研究这门自然科学,观察(动物的)行为,
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we've我们已经 seen看到 over 2,000 kills杀死
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并目睹了超过2000次
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by these amazing惊人 animals动物.
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由这些神奇的动物施行的猎杀。
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But one of the things that science科学 really lets让我们 us down on
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但是,科学无法合理解释的
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is that personality个性,
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是个性,
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that individual个人 personality个性 that these animals动物 have.
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这些动物的独特个性。
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And here's这里的 a prime主要 example.
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这里有个最好的例子。
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We found发现 this leopard in a 2,000-year-old-岁
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在非洲一棵2000年
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baobab猴面包树 tree in Africa非洲,
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的猴面包树上,我们发现了这只花豹。
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the same相同 tree that we found发现 her mother母亲 in
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在同一棵树上,我们也看到过她的母亲
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and her grandmother祖母.
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和外祖母。
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And she took us on a journey旅程
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她带我们踏上了一段旅程,
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and revealed透露 something very special特别 to us --
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向我们展示了非常特别的东西——
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her own拥有 daughter女儿, eight days old.
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她的女儿,八天大。
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And the minute分钟 we found发现 this leopard,
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在我们发现这只花豹的那一刻,
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we realized实现 that we needed需要 to move移动 in,
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我们就意识到,我们需要进入她的生活。
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and so we basically基本上 stayed with this leopard
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于是,在接下来的四年半时间里,我们基本
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for the next下一个 four-and-a-half四和半 years年份 --
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上与这只花豹在一起——
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following以下 her every一切 day,
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每天跟随她,观察她,
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getting得到 to know her,
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开始了解她
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that individual个人 personality个性 of hers她的,
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和她的独特个性,
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and really coming未来 to know her.
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并真正地认识她。
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Now I'm destined注定
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如今,命中注定,我
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to spend a lot of time
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要花大量的时间
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with some unique独特,
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与一些独特的、
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very, very special特别,
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极特立独行的、
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individualistic个人主义的
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充满个性的、
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and often经常 seductive妖媚 female characters人物.
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通常也很性感的女性在一起。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(观众笑声)
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Beverly's富康的 clearly明确地 one of them,
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Beverly当然是其中之一,
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and this little leopard, LegademaLegadema, is another另一个,
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而这只小花豹,Legadema,则是另一位,
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and she changed our lives生活.
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她改变了我们的生活。
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BJBJ: Well we certainly当然 did spend a lot of time with her --
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BJ: 我们的确花了很多时间和她在一起——
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in fact事实, more time than even her mother母亲 did.
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事实上,多过她母亲和她在一起的时间。
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When her mother母亲 would go off hunting狩猎,
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当她母亲出去猎食时,
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we would stay and film电影.
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我们会留下来陪她,并进行拍摄。
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And early on, a lightning闪电 bolt螺栓 hit击中 a tree
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刚和她相处不久,一道夹杂着雷鸣的闪电直劈在一棵
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20 paces步伐 away from us.
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离我们只有20步远的树上。
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It was frightening可怕的,
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当时的场景非常吓人。
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and it showered洗完澡 us with leaves树叶 and a pungent泼辣 smell.
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树叶像雨点儿般落在我们头上,伴随着一股难闻的气味儿。
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And of course课程, we were stunned目瞪口呆 for a while,
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当然,有一阵我们吓蒙了。
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but when we managed管理 to get our wits斗智斗勇 about us,
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但当我们回过神儿来,
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we looked看着 at it and said, "My gosh天哪,
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看着那边,说:“天呐,
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what's going to happen发生 with that little cub幼兽?
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那只小花豹会怎么想?
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She's probably大概 going to forever永远 associate关联
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她可能会把那声震耳欲聋的雷鸣和
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that deafening震耳欲聋 crash紧急 with us."
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我们俩永远联系在一起。”
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Well, we needn't不用 have worried担心.
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其实,我们的担心是多余的。
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She came来了 charging充电 out of the thicket灌木丛 straight直行 towards us,
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她从树丛中出来,径直走向我们,
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satSAT next下一个 to us, shivering发抖的,
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在我们旁边坐下,瑟瑟发抖。
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with her back towards Dereck德雷克, and looking out.
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她背对着Dereck,四处张望。
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And actually其实 from that day on,
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事实上,从那天起,
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she's been comfortable自在 with us.
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她接纳了我们。
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So we felt that that day
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因此,我们觉得,就是在那天,
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was the day that she really earned her name名称.
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她真正获得了属于自己的名字。
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We called her LegademaLegadema,
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我们叫她“Legadema”,
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which哪一个 means手段, "light from the sky天空."
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意思是“来自天空的闪电”。
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DJDJ: Now we've我们已经 found发现 these individualismsindividualisms
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in all sorts排序 of animals动物,
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类似的个性,
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in particular特定 in the cats.
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尤其是猫科动物。
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This particular特定 one is called EetwidomaylohEetwidomayloh,
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这是Eetwidomayloh,
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"he who greets招呼 with fire,"
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意思是“烈焰腾腾”。
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and you can just see that about him, you know -- that's his character字符.
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看到它的样子你就能了解,你知道——这就是它的特点。
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But only by getting得到 up close to these animals动物
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但是,只有贴近这些动物,
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and spending开支 time with them
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和它们长期在一起,
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can we actually其实 even reach达到 out
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我们才可能真正接触
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and dig out these personal个人 characters人物 that they have.
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并挖掘出它们的这些个性。
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BJBJ: But through通过 our investigation调查,
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BJ: 但是,在探索过程中,
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we have to seek寻求 the wildest最疯狂 places地方 in Africa非洲.
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我们必须找寻非洲最荒野的地方。
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And right now this is in the Okavango奥卡万戈 Delta三角洲
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这里是博茨瓦纳的Okavango
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in Botswana博茨瓦纳.
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三角洲。
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Yes, it is swamp沼泽. We live生活 in the swamp沼泽 in a tent帐篷,
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是的,这里是沼泽地。我们就住在沼泽地的一个帐篷里。
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but I must必须 tell you, every一切 day is exhilarating令人振奋.
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但是,我必须告诉你们,这里的每一天都是激动人心的。
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But also, our hearts心中 are in our throats喉咙
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但同时,大多数时间,我们都
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a huge巨大 amount of the time,
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because we're driving主动 through通过 water,
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因为我们要开车涉水,
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and it's an unknown未知 territory领土.
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在这片完全未知的领域。
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But we're really there
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但我们确实在那里
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seeking and searching搜索 and filming拍戏 the iconic标志性的 cats.
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找寻、跟踪并拍摄这些标志性的猫科动物。
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DJDJ: Now one of the big things, of course课程,
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everybody每个人 knows知道 that cats hate讨厌 water,
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每个人都知道猫科动物不喜欢水。
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and so this was a real真实 revelation启示 for us.
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所以,这对我们来说这的是一个重大发现。
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And we could only find this by pushing推动 ourselves我们自己,
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而想要有这个发现就必须逼迫自己,
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by going where no sane明智的 person should go --
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到疯子才会去的地方——
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not without some prompting提示, by the way, from Beverly贝弗利 --
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顺便说以句,Beverly起了很大的敦促作用——
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and just pushing推动 the envelope信封,
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就这样突破极限,
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going out there, pushing推动 our vehicle车辆, pushing推动 ourselves我们自己.
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深入沼泽,挑战汽车、逼迫自己。
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But we've我们已经 managed管理 to find that these lions狮子
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终于,我们发现,这些狮子
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are 15 percent百分 bigger than any others其他,
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比其他地方的狮子大15%,
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and they specialize专攻 in hunting狩猎 buffalo水牛 in the water.
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它们擅长在水中猎食非洲水牛。
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BJBJ: And then of course课程, the challenge挑战
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is knowing会心 when to turn around.
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在于要知道什么时候该掉头转向。
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We don't always get that right,
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对此,我们并非总能把握好。
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and on this particular特定 day,
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尤其是这一天,
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we seriously认真地 underestimated低估 the depth深度.
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We got deeper更深 and deeper更深,
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我们越走越深,
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until直到 it was at Dereck's德雷克的 chest-height胸部高度.
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一直淹到了Dereck的胸口。
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Well then we hit击中 a deep depression萧条,
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随后,我们撞进一个很深的洼地,
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and we seriously认真地 submerged the vehicle车辆.
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We actually其实 managed管理 to drown
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实际上,我们将
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two million百万 dollars'美元的 worth价值 of camera相机 gear齿轮.
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价值200万美元的摄像器材浸没在水中。
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We drowned淹死的 our pride自豪, I must必须 tell you,
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一同浸没的还有我们的骄傲,我不得不说,
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which哪一个 was really serious严重,
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那次真的很严重,
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and we seized the engine发动机.
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而且发动机抱缸了(基本等于报废)。
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DJDJ: And of course课程, one of the rules规则 that we have in the vehicle车辆
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DJ: 当然,我们车上的其中一条规章是,
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is that he who drowns淹死 the vehicle车辆
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谁把车开到水里,
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gets得到 to swim游泳 with the crocodiles鳄鱼.
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谁就下去和鳄鱼一起游泳。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(观众笑声)
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You will notice注意 also that all of these images图片 here
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你们也会注意到所有这些图片
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are taken采取 from the top最佳 angle角度 by Beverly贝弗利 --
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都是Beverly从顶角拍的——
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the dry top最佳 angle角度, by the way.
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顺便说一句,是干燥的顶角。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(观众笑声)
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But all the places地方 we get stuck卡住 in really have great views意见.
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但是所有我们陷入困境的地方确实都会有令人叹为观止的景象。
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And it wasn't a moment时刻, and these lions狮子 came来了 back towards us,
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这样的事情发生过不止一次。这些狮子朝我们走来,
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and Beverly贝弗利 was able能够 to get a great photograph照片.
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Beverly得以拍下绝佳的照片。
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BJBJ: But we truly do
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BJ: 我们确实
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spend day and night
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日夜努力,
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trying to capture捕获 unique独特 footage镜头.
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只为能够捕捉到独一无二的镜头。
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And 20 years年份 ago,
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20年前,
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we did a film电影 called "Eternal永恒 Enemies敌人"
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我们拍摄了一部影片,叫“永恒的敌人”。
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where we managed管理 to capture捕获
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在这部影片中,我们捕捉到了
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this unusual异常 disturbing烦扰的 behavior行为 across横过 two species种类 --
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两种动物——狮子和土狼——之间令人异常不安
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lions狮子 and hyenas鬣狗.
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的行为。
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And surprisingly出奇, it became成为 a cult礼拜 film电影.
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令人惊讶的是,这部电影竟然成为了异教狂热片。
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And we can only work that out
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我们唯一能想到的理由就是,
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as people were seeing眼看 parallels相似之处
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人们看到了
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between之间 the thuggish凶残 side of nature性质
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and gang结伙 warfare.
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黑帮火拼的相似之处。
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DJDJ: It was amazing惊人, because you can see that this lion狮子
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DJ: 真的很神奇,因为你能看到,这头雄狮
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is doing exactly究竟 what his name名称,
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确实如它名字Eetwidomayloh的含义一样,
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EetwidomaylohEetwidomayloh, represents代表.
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杀气腾腾。
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He's focused重点 on this hyena鬣狗,
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它盯上了这只土狼,
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and he is going to get it.
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准备猎杀它。
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(Animal动物 sounds声音)
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(动物嚎叫)
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But that's, I think, what this is all about,
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但我认为,这就是这部影片的目的所在,
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is that these individuals个人 have these personalities个性 and characters人物.
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即所有的这些动物都有它们自己的个性和特点。
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But for us to get them, not only do we push ourselves我们自己,
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而我们拍摄期间,不仅要挑战我们的底线,
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but we live生活 by certain某些 rules规则 of engagement订婚,
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还需遵循一定的“交战规则”——
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which哪一个 mean we can't interfere干扰.
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我们不能干涉。
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This sort分类 of behavior行为 has been going on
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for three, four, five million百万 years年份,
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大约三、四、五百万年之久,
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and we can't step in and say, "That's wrong错误, and that's right."
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我们不能突然站出来,说:“这样是错的,那样是对的。”
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But that's not always easy简单 for us.
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但对我们来说,这往往不容易做到。
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BJBJ: So, as Dereck德雷克 says,
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BJ: 正如Dereck所说,
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we have to work through通过 extremes极端 --
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我们必须经历很多极端情况——
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extreme极端 temperatures温度, push ourselves我们自己 at night.
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比如极端温度,夜晚挑战身体极限。
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Sleep睡觉 deprivation剥夺 is extreme极端.
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睡眠不足相当严重。
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We're on the edge边缘
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through通过 a large part部分 of the time.
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临界状态。
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But, for 10 years年份, we tried试着 to capture捕获
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lions狮子 and elephants大象 together一起 --
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狮子和大象在一起(的场景)——
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and never ever managed管理
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却从未成功过,
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until直到 this particular特定 night.
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直到这天晚上。
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And I have to tell you
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that it was a disturbing烦扰的 night for me.
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对我来说,这是一个非常不安的夜晚。
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I had tears眼泪 rolling压延 down my cheeks脸颊.
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我泪流两颊,
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I was shaking发抖 with anxiety焦虑,
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焦虑得瑟瑟发抖。
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but I knew知道 that [I had] to capture捕获 something
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但是,我知道这就是为了拍摄到
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that had never been seen看到 before, had never been documented记录.
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以前从未有人目睹、也从未被记录下来的情景。
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And I do believe you should stay with us.
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我坚信,你们应该和我们一起看下去。
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DJDJ: The amazing惊人 thing about these moments瞬间 --
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DJ: 这些时刻的神奇之处——
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and this is probably大概 a highlight突出 of our career事业 --
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而这可能也是我们事业的精彩之处——
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is that you never know how it's going to end结束.
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就在于你从来不知道事情将会如何结束。
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Many许多 people believe, in fact事实,
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很多人认为,事实上,
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that death死亡 begins开始 in the eyes眼睛, not in the heart,
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死亡始于眼睛,而不是内心,
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not in the lungs,
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不是肺部。
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and that's when people give up hope希望,
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而这就是人们放弃希望时的样子,
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or when any life form形成 gives up hope希望.
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或是任何生命放弃希望时的样子。
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And you can see the start开始 of it here.
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你们可以看到,从这里开始了。
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This elephant, against反对 overwhelming压倒 odds可能性,
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这头大象,在狮子压倒性的优势面前,
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simply只是 gives up hope希望.
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干脆放弃了希望。
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但是,在同样的情况下,
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you can get your hope希望 back again.
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你也可以重新燃起希望。
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So just when you think it's all over, something else其他 happens发生,
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所以,就在你认为一切行将结束时,另外一件事发生了,
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some spark火花 gets得到 into you,
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某种热情潜入你心,
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some sort分类 of will to fight斗争 --
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某种战斗意愿(浮出脑海)——
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that iron will that we all have,
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这种坚强的意志我们都有,
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that this elephant has,
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这头大象有,
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that conservation保护 has, that big cats have.
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保护区有,大型猫科动物也有。
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Everything has that will to survive生存,
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任何生命都要靠这种坚强的意志去生存,
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to fight斗争, to push through通过 that mental心理 barrier屏障
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去斗争,去冲破内心的关卡,
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and to keep going.
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继续前行。
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And for us, in many许多 ways方法,
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this elephant has become成为
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这头大象已经成为
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a symbol符号 of inspiration灵感 for us,
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激励我们的一种象征,
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a symbol符号 of that hope希望 as we go forward前锋 in our work.
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我们投入工作是的希望象征。
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(Applause掌声)
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(观众掌声)
08:51
Now back to the leopard.
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现在回到这只花豹。
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We were spending开支 so much time with this leopard
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我们很长时间和这只花豹在一起,
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and getting得到 to understand理解 her individualism个人主义,
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才得以熟悉她的个性
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her personal个人 character字符,
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和特点,
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that maybe we were taking服用 it a little bit far.
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可能我们和她的关系有些过于亲密了。
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We were perhaps也许 taking服用 her for granted理所当然,
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可能我们认为理所当然可以如此,
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and maybe she didn't like that that much.
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而她或许并不喜欢这样。
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This is about couples情侣 working加工 together一起,
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夫妻一起工作时也是如此,
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and so I do need to say that within the vehicle车辆
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需要说明的是,在越野车里,
09:11
we have quite相当 strict严格 territories领土, Beverly贝弗利 and I.
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Beverly和我有着严格的地盘划分。
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Beverly贝弗利 sits坐镇 on the one side
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Beverly坐的那边
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where all her camera相机 gear齿轮 is,
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放着她全部的摄影器材,
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and I'm on the other side where my space空间 is.
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而另一边是我的地盘。
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These are precious珍贵 to us, these divides分歧.
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这些分界对我们来说很重要。
09:24
BJBJ: But when this little cub幼兽 saw
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BJ: 但是,当这只小花豹看到
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that I had vacated腾空 my seat座位
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我离开座位,
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and climbed爬上 to the back to get some camera相机 gear齿轮,
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爬到车后面拿照相器材时,
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she came来了 in like a curious好奇 cat
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她就像一只好奇的猫一样
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to come and investigate调查.
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爬进来探索一番。
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It was phenomenal非凡的, and we felt grateful感激
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这很不寻常,我们也非常感谢
09:37
that she trusted信任 us to that extent程度.
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她对我们如此地信任。
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But at the same相同 time, we were concerned关心
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但与此同时,我们也很担心,
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that if she created创建 this as a habit习惯
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如果她养成这样的习惯,
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and jumped跳下 into somebody else's别人的 car汽车,
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跳到别人的车里,
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it might威力 not turn out the same相同 way --
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结果可能大不一样——
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she might威力 get shot射击 for that.
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她可能因此遭到射杀。
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So we knew知道 we had to react应对 quickly很快.
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因此,我们知道,我们必须迅速做出反应。
09:52
And the only way we thought we could
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我们想唯一能做
09:55
without scaring惊吓 her
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而又不吓到她的方法
09:57
is to try and simulate模拟 a growl吠声 like her mother母亲 would make --
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就是试着发出像她妈妈那样的低声咆哮——
09:59
a hiss and a sound声音.
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伴着嘶嘶的声音。
10:01
So Dereck德雷克 turned转身 on the heater加热器 fan风扇 in the car汽车 --
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于是,Dereck打开了车内的热风扇——
10:03
very innovative创新.
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很有创意吧。
10:05
DJDJ: It was the only way for me to save保存 the marriage婚姻,
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DJ: 这是我挽救这段婚姻的唯一途径,
10:07
because Beverly贝弗利 felt she was being存在 replaced更换, you see.
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因为,你看,Beverly觉得自己被取代了。
10:09
(Laughter笑声)
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(观众笑声)
10:12
But really and truly, this was how
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但是,的的确确,这就是
10:14
this little leopard was displaying显示
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这只小花豹如何向我们展示
10:16
her individual个人 personality个性.
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她的独特个性。
10:18
But nothing prepared准备 us
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但是,我们绝对没有想到,
10:20
for what happened发生 next下一个 in our relationship关系 with her,
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在我们和她交往中接下来发生的事情,
10:22
when she started开始 hunting狩猎.
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那是在她刚开始自己捕猎时。
10:24
BJBJ: And on this first hunt打猎, we truly were excited兴奋.
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BJ: 对于这第一次捕猎,我们真的非常兴奋。
10:27
It was like watching观看 a graduation毕业 ceremony仪式.
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我就像在观看一场毕业典礼。
10:29
We felt like we were surrogate代孕 parents父母.
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我们觉得自己好像是代理家长。
10:31
And of course课程, we knew知道 now
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当然,那时我们确信,
10:33
that she was going to survive生存.
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她将可以(独立)生存下去了。
10:35
But only when we saw the tiny baby宝宝 baboon狒狒
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但只有当我们看到那个小小的狒狒幼崽
10:38
clinging执着 to the mother's母亲 fur毛皮
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挂在它妈妈身上时,
10:40
did we realize实现 that something very unique独特
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我们才意识到,一件非常特殊的
10:42
was taking服用 place地点 here with LegademaLegadema.
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事情正发生在Legadema身上。
10:45
And of course课程, the baby宝宝 baboon狒狒 was so innocent无辜,
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当然,小狒狒完全不知道发生了什么,
10:48
it didn't turn and run.
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它没有转身逃走。
10:50
So what we watched看着
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于是,
10:52
over the next下一个 couple一对 of hours小时
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接下来的几个小时内,
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was very unique独特.
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我们看到的是极其特别的。
10:57
It was absolutely绝对 amazing惊人
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这绝对让人觉得惊奇。
10:59
when she picked采摘的 it up to safety安全,
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她把它叼起来放到安全的地方,
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protecting保护 it from the hyena鬣狗.
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保护它不被土狼叼走。
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And over the next下一个 five hours小时,
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接下来的5个小时里,
11:07
she took care关心 of it.
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她一直照料着它。
11:09
We realized实现 that we actually其实 don't know everything,
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我们意识到,其实,我们并非什么都了解。
11:12
and that nature性质 is so unpredictable不可预料的,
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大自然是如此神奇莫测,
11:16
we have to be open打开 at all times.
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我们必须时刻保持开放的态度。
11:19
DJDJ: Okay, so she was a little bit rough.
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DJ: 好吧,她是有点儿粗鲁。
11:21
(Laughter笑声)
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(观众笑声)
11:26
But in fact事实,
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但事实上,
11:30
what we were seeing眼看 here was interesting有趣.
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我们所看到的这一幕很有趣。
11:33
Because she is a cub幼兽 wanting希望 to play,
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因为她自己还是一只想要玩耍的小豹子,
11:36
but she was also a predator捕食者 needing需要 to kill,
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但同时她又是一个需要杀戮的捕食者,
11:39
and yet然而 conflicted冲突 in some way,
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然而在某种程度上,与之矛盾的,
11:41
because she was also an emerging新兴 mother母亲.
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因为她又是一位未来的母亲。
11:44
She had this maternal母系 instinct直觉,
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她具有这种母性的本能,
11:46
much like a young年轻 girl女孩 on her way to womanhood女大十八变,
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很像是一个小姑娘正在长成为一位成熟的女性。
11:50
and so this really took us to this new level水平
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因此,这把我们带到一个全新的层次
11:53
of understanding理解 that personality个性.
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来理解她的个性。
11:58
BJBJ: And of course课程, through通过 the night, they lay铺设 together一起.
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BJ: 当然,一整夜它们都靠在一起。
12:01
They ended结束 up sleeping睡眠 for hours小时.
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它们在一起睡了好几个小时。
12:03
But I have to tell you --
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但是,我不得不告诉大家——
12:05
everybody每个人 always asks, "What happened发生 to the baby宝宝 baboon狒狒?"
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每一个人都会问:“那只小狒狒最后怎么样了?”
12:07
It did die,
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它确实死了。
12:09
and we suspect疑似 it was from the freezing冷冻 winter冬季 nights.
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我们怀疑它是死于冬夜的寒冷。
12:13
DJDJ: So at this stage阶段, I guess猜测,
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DJ: 到了这里,我认为
12:15
we had very, very firm公司 ideas思路
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我们有了一些非常坚定的信念——
12:17
on what conservation保护 meant意味着.
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关于自然保护区存在的意义。
12:19
We had to deal合同 with these individual个人 personalities个性.
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我们必须面对这些独特的个性。
12:22
We had to deal合同 with them with respect尊重
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我们必须带着尊重面对它们,
12:25
and celebrate庆祝 them.
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赞美它们。
12:27
And so we, with the National国民 Geographic地理, formed形成 the Big Cats Initiative倡议
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于是,我们和国家地理频道一起发起了“大型猫科动物倡议”,
12:30
to march游行 forward前锋 into conservation保护,
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将它在保护区内进行推广,
12:32
taking服用 care关心 of the big cats that we loved喜爱 --
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以关爱我们喜爱的这些大型猫科动物——
12:34
and then had an opportunity机会 to look back over the last 50 years年份
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于是也有机会回顾一下,在过去的50年里
12:37
to see how well we had all collectively been doing.
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我们在这些方面做得怎么样。
12:40
So when Beverly贝弗利 and I were born天生,
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Beverly和我刚出生时,
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there were 450,000 lions狮子,
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大约有45万头狮子。
12:44
and today今天 there are 20,000.
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而今天只有2万头。
12:47
Tigers老虎 haven't没有 fared表现 any better --
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老虎的境遇也好不到哪去,
12:49
45,000
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从4万5千头
12:51
down to maybe 3,000.
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锐减到大约3千头。
12:53
BJBJ: And then cheetahs猎豹 have crashed坠毁
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BJ: 非洲猎豹的数量一路锐减,
12:55
all the way down to 12,000.
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跌至1万2千头。
12:57
Leopards豹子 have plummeted暴跌
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花豹则
12:59
from 700,000
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从70万头
13:01
down to a mere 50,000.
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迅速减少到仅仅5万头。
13:03
Now in the extraordinary非凡 time
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尤其是
13:05
that we have worked工作 with LegademaLegadema --
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在我们和Legadema在一起的这段时间,
13:07
which哪一个 is really over a five-year五年 period --
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大约5年多——
13:09
10,000 leopards豹子 were legally法律上 shot射击
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有1万头花豹被游猎猎手合法地
13:12
by safari苹果浏览器 hunters猎人.
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射杀。
13:14
And that's not the only leopards豹子
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这还不是
13:16
that were being存在 killed杀害 through通过 that period.
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这段时间内被杀死的所有花豹。
13:18
There's an immense巨大 amount of poaching偷猎 as well,
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偷猎的数量也很巨大,
13:21
and so possibly或者 the same相同 amount.
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很可能也达到1万头。
13:23
It's simply只是 not sustainable可持续发展.
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这绝对是不可持续的。
13:25
We admire欣赏 them,
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我们仰慕它们,
13:27
and we fear恐惧 them,
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我们也畏惧它们。
13:29
and yet然而, as man, we want to steal their power功率.
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然而,作为人,我们想窃取它们的力量。
13:34
It used to be the time
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曾经有段时间,
13:36
where only kings国王 wore穿着 a leopard skin皮肤,
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只有国王才穿豹皮,
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but now throughout始终 rituals仪式 and ceremonies仪式,
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但现在,所有仪式和典礼、
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traditional传统 healers术士 and ministers部长.
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传统医者和大臣们都在使用豹皮。
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And of course课程, looking at this lion狮子 paw爪子
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当然,看看这只
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that has been skinned面皮,
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已被剥皮的狮爪,
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it eerily诡异 reminds提醒 me
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它诡异地让我想起
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of a human人的 hand,
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人类的手。
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and that's ironic具有讽刺意味, because their fate命运 is in our hands.
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这很讽刺,因为狮爪的命运掌握在我们手中。
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DJDJ: There's a burgeoning新兴 bone trade贸易.
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DJ: 还有一个正在迅速发展的骨交易。
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South Africa非洲 just released发布 some lion狮子 bones骨头 onto the market市场.
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南非刚刚向这个市场投放了一些狮骨。
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Lion狮子 bones骨头 and tiger bones骨头 look exactly究竟 the same相同,
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狮子和老虎的骨头看上去完全一样,
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and so in a stroke行程, the lion狮子 bone industry行业
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因此很快地,狮骨产业
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is going to wipe擦拭 out all the tigers老虎.
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将取代所有的虎骨。
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So we have a real真实 problem问题 here,
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现在,我们面临一个真正的问题,
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no more so than the lions狮子 do, the male lions狮子.
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没有比狮子的问题更严重的了,尤其是雄狮。
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So the 20,000 lion狮子 figure数字 that you just saw
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所以,你们刚刚看到的,2万头狮子这个数字
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is actually其实 a red herring鲱鱼,
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只是一个幌子,
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because there may可能 be 3,000 or 4,000 male lions狮子,
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因为其中大约有3到4千头雄狮,
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and they all are actually其实
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实际上它们全部都
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infected感染 with the same相同 disease疾病.
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感染了同样的疾病。
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I call it complacency自满 --
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我称之为自傲——
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our complacency自满.
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我们人类的自傲。
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Because there's a sport运动, there's an activity活动 going on
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因为打猎这种运动,它的存在,
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that we're all aware知道的 of, that we condone纵容.
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我们都知道,却听之任之。
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And that's probably大概 because we haven't没有 seen看到 it
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而这很可能是因为我们以前从未
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like we are today今天.
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像今天这样看待这件事情。
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BJBJ: And you have to know
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BJ: 还有,你们必须要了解,
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that, when a male lion狮子 is killed杀害,
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当一头雄狮被杀死时,
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it completely全然 disrupts破坏 the whole整个 pride自豪.
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整个狮群都被摧毁了。
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A new male comes into the area
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一头新来的雄狮会进入到该片领域,
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and takes over the pride自豪,
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接管整个狮群。
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and, of course课程, first of all kills杀死 all the cubs幼崽
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然后,当然,它首先会杀死所有的幼狮,
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and possibly或者 some of the females女性 that are defending卫冕 their cubs幼崽.
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可能还会杀死一些保护自己幼崽的母狮。
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So we've我们已经 estimated预计
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因此,我们估算,
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that between之间 20 [and] 30 lions狮子 are killed杀害
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大概要杀死20到30头狮子
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when one lion狮子 is hanging on a wall
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才能将一头雄狮挂到
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somewhere某处 in a far-off遥远 place地点.
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某个遥远地方的墙上。
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DJDJ: So what our investigations调查 have shown显示
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DJ: 因此,我们的研究表明,
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is that these lions狮子 are essential必要.
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这些狮子是至关重要的。
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They're essential必要 to the habitat栖息地.
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它们对栖息地来说是极重要的。
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If they disappear消失,
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如果它们消失了,
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whole整个 ecosystems生态系统 in Africa非洲 disappear消失.
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整个非洲的生态系统都会随之消失。
15:24
There's an 80-billion-dollar-a-year-billion美元的一期
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非洲每年可获得价值800亿美元
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ecotourism生态旅游 revenue收入 stream into Africa非洲.
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的生态旅游收入。
15:29
So this is not just a concern关心 about lions狮子;
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所以,这不仅仅是在关心狮子,
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it's a concern关心 about communities社区 in Africa非洲 as well.
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也是在关心非洲的社群。
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If they disappear消失, all of that goes away.
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如果它们消失了,那所有这些都完了。
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But what I'm more concerned关心 about in many许多 ways方法
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但是,我在更多方面的担心是,
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is that, as we de-link脱钩 ourselves我们自己 from nature性质,
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当我们与自然脱钩,
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as we de-link脱钩 ourselves我们自己 spiritually灵性
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当我们从灵性上
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from these animals动物,
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与这些动物脱钩时,
15:48
we lose失去 hope希望,
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我们就失去了希望,
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we lose失去 that spiritual精神 connection连接,
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失去了精神上的联系,
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our dignity尊严, that thing within us
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失去了我们的人格,而正是这内在于我们的东西,
15:57
that keeps保持 us connected连接的 to the planet行星.
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使我们保持着与这颗星球的联系。
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BJBJ: So you have to know, looking into the eyes眼睛
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BJ: 所以,你们必须了解,请看着这些
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of lions狮子 and leopards豹子 right now,
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狮子和豹子的眼睛,
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it is all about critical危急 awareness意识.
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这全是批判性的警醒。
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And so what we are doing,
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所以,我们要做的,
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in February二月, we're bringing使 out a film电影 called "The Last Lion狮子,"
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就是在2月份,将发布一部纪录片,叫做“最后的狮子”。
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and "The Last Lion狮子" is exactly究竟
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而“最后的狮子”恰恰就是
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what is happening事件 right now.
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现在正在发生的事实。
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That is the situation情况 we're in --
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这就是我们目前所处的情形——
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the last lions狮子.
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最后的狮子。
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That is, if we don't take action行动 and do something,
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这就是说,如果我们不采取行动做点儿什么,
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these plains平原 will be completely全然 devoid没有
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大型猫科动物将在这些平原上
16:24
of big cats,
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彻底消失。
16:26
and then, in turn, everything else其他 will disappear消失.
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其后果就是,其余的一切也将随之消亡。
16:29
And simply只是, if we can't protect保护 them,
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很简单,如果我们不能够保护它们,
16:31
we're going to have a job工作 protecting保护 ourselves我们自己 as well.
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接下来,我们的工作就是要保护我们自己了。
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DJDJ: And in fact事实, that original原版的 thing that we spoke about
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DJ: 而事实上,我们所谈论的,也就是
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and designed设计 our lives生活 by --
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我们依此而生活的最根本的东西——
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that conservation保护 was all about respect尊重
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保护区的意义就在于尊重
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and celebration庆典 --
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与赞美——
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is probably大概 true真正. That's really what it needs需求.
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这很可能是本质的东西;那是它真正需要的东西。
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We need it. We respect尊重 and celebrate庆祝 each other
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我们需要它。
16:49
as a man and a woman女人, as a community社区
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作为男人和女人,作为一个社群,
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and as part部分 of this planet行星,
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同时作为这个星球的一部分,我们彼此尊重彼此赞美,
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and we need to continue继续 that.
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我们要将它延续下去。
16:56
And LegademaLegadema?
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至于Legadema?
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Well we can report报告, in fact事实,
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我们可以告诉大家,事实上,
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that we're grandparents祖父母.
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我们做外祖父母了(Legadema已经升级为母亲了)。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(观众笑声)
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BJBJ/DJDJ: Thank you very much.
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BJ/DJ: 非常感谢大家。
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(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
Translated by Fengqiao Liu
Reviewed by Tracy Xin

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Beverly + Dereck Joubert - Conservationists, filmmakers
Documentary filmmakers Beverly and Dereck Joubert have worked to conserve wildlife for more than 25 years. As National Geographic Explorers in Residence, the couple influences public policy and perceptions.

Why you should listen

For nearly three decades, conservationists Beverly and Dereck Joubert have celebrated nature and wildlife in documentaries, books, scientific journals, photographs and magazine articles. The couple’s arresting visual work—which includes the widely viewed film Eternal Enemies: Lions and Hyena -- has earned them five Emmys and many other awards. The Jouberts, both National Geographic Explorers in Residence based in Botswana, are dedicated to understanding and preserving key species throughout the African continent. The couple is particularly interested in large predators, and lead the Big Cats Initiative, a campaign to stop dwindling populations and bolster public awareness.

Beverly and Dereck are also building a new model for preservation as partners in Great Plains Conservation. Striking a balance of preservation, community and commerce, GPC aims to save endangered habitats in Africa and surrounding the Indian Ocean through low-impact tourism and the sale of carbon credits and villas or bush homes.

Their new movie is The Last Lions, opening February 18, 2011.

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