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Adam de la Zerda: We can start winning the war against cancer
亚当 德拉泽达: 我们怎样能够开始赢得与癌症战争的胜利
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从斯坦福研究人员亚当 德拉泽拉那儿了解与癌症之间战争的最新发现。亚当正在研究最新的技术——一种超前的影像技术，使用寻找癌细胞的金粒子并注射入体内。徳拉泽拉的实验室希望能够帮助手术医师移除甚至微小的致命的肿瘤。
Adam de la Zerda - Biologist, electrical engineer
Adam de la Zerda develops new medical imaging technologies to detect and destroy cancer. Full bio
Adam de la Zerda develops new medical imaging technologies to detect and destroy cancer. Full bio
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00:12
"We're declaring war against cancer,
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“我们已经和癌症宣战了，
00:14
and we will win this war by 2015."
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而且我们能在2015年前赢得这场战争。”
00:18
This is what the US Congress
and the National Cancer Institute declared
and the National Cancer Institute declared
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这是美国国会和国家癌症协会
00:22
just a few years ago, in 2003.
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在几年前，即2003年宣布的。
00:25
Now, I don't know about you,
but I don't buy that.
but I don't buy that.
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现在，我不知道你们对这事儿怎么看，
但是我并不相信。
但是我并不相信。
00:28
I don't think we quite won this war yet,
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我不认为我们已经赢得这场战争了，
00:30
and I don't think
anyone here will question that.
anyone here will question that.
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而且我不认为在场的人会质疑我。
00:33
Now, I will argue that a primary reason
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现在我会告诉你们一个最基本的原因，
00:36
why we're not winning
this war against cancer
this war against cancer
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为什么我们不会赢得和癌症的战争:
00:38
is because we're fighting blindly.
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是因为我们在盲目地斗争。
00:40
I'm going to start by sharing with you
a story about a good friend of mine.
a story about a good friend of mine.
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我要给你们分享一个我的好朋友的故事。
00:44
His name is Ehud,
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他的名字是埃胡德，
00:45
and a few years ago,
Ehud was diagnosed with brain cancer.
Ehud was diagnosed with brain cancer.
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几年前，他被诊断出有脑癌。
00:48
And not just any type of brain cancer:
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而且还不是普通的脑癌，
00:50
he was diagnosed with one
of the most deadly forms of brain cancer.
of the most deadly forms of brain cancer.
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他被诊断出患有最致命的一种脑癌。
事实上，这个癌症致命到
00:53
In fact, it was so deadly
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00:55
that the doctors told him
that they only have 12 months,
that they only have 12 months,
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医生告诉他，他只有12个月，
00:57
and during those 12 months,
they have to find a treatment.
they have to find a treatment.
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在这个12个月里，
他们必须要找到一种治疗方法。
他们必须要找到一种治疗方法。
01:01
They have to find a cure,
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他们必须要找到一种有效的治疗方法，
01:02
and if they cannot
find a cure, he will die.
find a cure, he will die.
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而且如果找不到，他将会死亡。
01:05
Now, the good news, they said,
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现在，好消息是，他们说，
01:07
is that there are tons
of different treatments to choose from,
of different treatments to choose from,
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有无数种治疗方法可以选择，
01:10
but the bad news is
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而坏消息是，
01:11
that in order for them to tell
if a treatment is even working or not,
if a treatment is even working or not,
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如果要检测一种治疗方法是否有效，
01:15
well, that takes them
about three months or so.
about three months or so.
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好吧，需要大约三个月的时间。
01:17
So they cannot try that many things.
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所以他们尝试不了几种方法。
01:19
Well, Ehud is now going
into his first treatment,
into his first treatment,
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现在，
埃胡德正在进行他的第一次治疗，
埃胡德正在进行他的第一次治疗，
01:23
and during that first treatment,
just a few days into that treatment,
just a few days into that treatment,
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在第一次治疗开始几天的时候，
01:26
I'm meeting with him, and he tells me,
"Adam, I think this is working.
"Adam, I think this is working.
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我见到他，他告诉我说
“亚当，我觉得疗程有效果。
“亚当，我觉得疗程有效果。
01:29
I think we really lucked out here.
Something is happening."
Something is happening."
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我觉得我们挺走运的。
事情正在改变。”
事情正在改变。”
01:32
And I ask him, "Really?
How do you know that, Ehud?"
How do you know that, Ehud?"
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我问他：
“真的吗，你是怎么知道，埃胡德？”
“真的吗，你是怎么知道，埃胡德？”
01:35
And he says, "Well,
I feel so terrible inside.
I feel so terrible inside.
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他说，
“因为，我感觉身体十分难受。
“因为，我感觉身体十分难受。
01:37
Something's gotta be working up there.
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一定有什么东西在里面起作用，
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It just has to."
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一定是的。”
01:40
Well, unfortunately, three months later,
we got the news, it didn't work.
we got the news, it didn't work.
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然而，不幸的是，三个月后，
我们得到消息，治疗没有效果。
我们得到消息，治疗没有效果。
01:45
And so Ehud goes
into his second treatment.
into his second treatment.
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所以埃胡德尝试第二种治疗方法。
01:47
And again, the same story.
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跟第一次一样，
01:48
"It feels so bad, something's
gotta be working there."
gotta be working there."
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他说“我感觉很糟，
一定有什么东西在里面起作用。”
一定有什么东西在里面起作用。”
01:51
And then three months later,
again we get bad news.
again we get bad news.
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三个月后，我们又接到了坏消息。
01:54
Ehud is going into his third treatment,
and then his fourth treatment.
and then his fourth treatment.
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然后埃胡德接受了第三次治疗，第四次治疗，
01:58
And then, as predicted, Ehud dies.
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然后正如预测的一样，埃胡德去世了。
02:01
Now, when someone really close to you
is going through such a huge struggle,
is going through such a huge struggle,
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当你身边亲近的人经受这种巨大的折磨时，
02:06
you get really swamped with emotions.
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你会感觉尤其强烈。
02:08
A lot of things
are going through your head.
are going through your head.
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你的脑海中会充斥着各种想法。
02:10
For me, it was mostly outrage.
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对于我来说，
我感觉很愤怒。
我感觉很愤怒。
02:11
I was just outraged that, how come
this is the best that we can offer?
this is the best that we can offer?
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我愤怒的是，
难道这就是我们能为病人提供的最好的办法吗？
难道这就是我们能为病人提供的最好的办法吗？
02:16
And I started looking
more and more into this.
more and more into this.
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然后我开始深入地研究这件事，
02:18
As it turns out, this is not just
the best that doctors could offer Ehud.
the best that doctors could offer Ehud.
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我发现，这并不是是医生能够
提供给埃胡德最好的办法，
提供给埃胡德最好的办法，
02:22
It's not just the best doctors could offer
patients with brain cancer generally.
patients with brain cancer generally.
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而且这也不是医生能够提供给一般
脑癌病人最好的办法。
脑癌病人最好的办法。
02:26
We're actually not doing that well
all across the board with cancer.
all across the board with cancer.
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我们在治疗癌症这件事情上并没有做得很好。
02:30
I picked up one of those statistics,
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我挑选了一些统计数据，
02:32
and I'm sure some of you
have seen those statistics before.
have seen those statistics before.
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我相信你们可能有人曾经
看过这些数据。
看过这些数据。
02:34
This is going to show you here
how many patients actually died of cancer,
how many patients actually died of cancer,
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这组数据统计了死于癌症的病人数量，
02:38
in this case females in the United States,
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确切的说是有多少美国女性，
02:40
ever since the 1930s.
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自从20世纪30年代以来死于癌症。
02:41
You'll notice that there aren't
that many things that have changed.
that many things that have changed.
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你会发现从那儿以来事情并没有什么大的改变。
02:44
It's still a huge issue.
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这依旧是一个巨大的问题。
02:46
You'll see a few changes, though.
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当然，你能看到一些改变，
02:48
You'll see lung cancer,
for example, on the rise.
for example, on the rise.
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你会发现，比如，肺癌的比例在升高。
02:50
Thank you, cigarettes.
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拜香烟所赐。
02:52
And you'll also see that,
for example, stomach cancer
for example, stomach cancer
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你还能看到，比如说，胃癌，
02:54
once used to be one
of the biggest killers of all cancers,
of the biggest killers of all cancers,
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曾经癌症中最大的杀手之一，
02:58
is essentially eliminated.
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已经几乎绝迹了。
03:00
Now, why is that?
Anyone knows, by the way?
Anyone knows, by the way?
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好，为什么会这样呢？
有人知道吗？
有人知道吗？
03:02
Why is it that humanity is no longer
struck by stomach cancer?
struck by stomach cancer?
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为什么人类不再受胃癌折磨？
03:05
What was the huge, huge
medical technology breakthrough
medical technology breakthrough
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是哪个巨大的医疗技术突破
03:10
that came to our world
that saved humanity from stomach cancer?
that saved humanity from stomach cancer?
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于胃癌中拯救了人类？
03:15
Was it maybe a new drug,
or a better diagnostic?
or a better diagnostic?
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是一种新药或者
一种更好的诊断吗？
一种更好的诊断吗？
03:19
You guys are right, yeah.
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你们答对啦！（笑）
03:20
It's the invention of the refrigerator,
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是因为我们发明的了冰箱，
03:23
and the fact that we're
no longer eating spoiled meats.
no longer eating spoiled meats.
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于是我们不再吃变质的食物。
03:25
So the best thing
that happened to us so far
that happened to us so far
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所以至今，
03:28
in the medical arena in cancer research
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我们在癌症研究的医疗领域取得的最大的成就，
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is the fact that
the refrigerator was invented.
the refrigerator was invented.
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是冰箱的发明。
03:32
(Laughter)
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（笑声）
03:33
And so -- yeah, I know.
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所以，是的。
03:34
We're not doing so well here.
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我们并没有做的很好。
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I don't want to miniaturize the progress
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我不想贬低
我们在癌症研究方面取得的进步。
03:38
and everything that's been done
in cancer research.
in cancer research.
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03:41
Look, there is like 50-plus years
of good cancer research
of good cancer research
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你看，
我们做了五十多年的癌症研究，
我们做了五十多年的癌症研究，
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that discovered major, major things
that taught us about cancer.
that taught us about cancer.
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发现了有关癌症的很多重要的知识。
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But all that said,
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这些年研究的结果就是，
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we have a lot of heavy lifting
to still do ahead of us.
to still do ahead of us.
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关于治疗癌症我们依然任重道远。
03:54
Again, I will argue that the primary
reason why this is the case,
reason why this is the case,
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我认为，之所以我们进展缓慢，
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why we have not done that remarkably well,
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之所以我们并没有取得突破性的成绩
04:00
is really we're fighting blindly here.
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是因为我们一直在盲目地斗争。
04:01
And this is where
medical imaging comes in.
medical imaging comes in.
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所以我们发明了医疗影像，
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This is where my own work comes in.
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这就是我的工作成果。
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And so to give you a sense
of the best medical imaging
of the best medical imaging
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下面我给大家演示一下
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that's offered today
to brain cancer patients,
to brain cancer patients,
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当前我们能给脑癌患者提供的最好的医疗影像，
04:11
or actually generally
to all cancer patients,
to all cancer patients,
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或者应该说是给所以癌症患者提供的最好的医疗影像
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take a look at this PET scan right here.
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看一看这个PET扫描，
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Let's see. There we go.
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So this is a PET/CT scan,
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好，这是一个PET/CT扫描，
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and what you'll see in this PET/CT scan
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你能从这个PET／CT扫描中看到什么呢？
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is the CT scan will show you
where the bones are,
where the bones are,
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CT扫描能够告诉你骨头的位置，
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and the PET scan will show you
where tumors are.
where tumors are.
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PET扫描则能告诉你肿瘤的位置。
04:27
Now, what you can see here
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现在，你可以看到，
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is essentially a sugar molecule
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一个糖分子
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that was added a small little tag
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被添加了一个小小的标签，
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that is signaling to us
outside of the body,
outside of the body,
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在给我们发信号，
04:36
"Hey, I'm here."
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“嗨，我在这。”
04:37
And those sugar molecules are injected
into these patients by the billions,
into these patients by the billions,
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上十亿那样的糖分子被
注射进病人体内，
注射进病人体内，
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and they're going all over the body
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并散布至全身，
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looking for cells
that are hungry for sugar.
that are hungry for sugar.
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寻找需要糖分的细胞。
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You'll see that the heart,
for example, lights up there.
for example, lights up there.
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你会看到，比如说，
心脏部位是亮的，
心脏部位是亮的，
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That's because the heart
needs a lot of sugar.
needs a lot of sugar.
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那是因为心脏需要很多糖。
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You'll also see that the bladder
lights up there.
lights up there.
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你还会看到膀胱也是亮的。
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That's because the bladder
is the thing that's clearing
is the thing that's clearing
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那是因为膀胱负责清除
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the sugar away from our body.
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体内的糖分。
04:58
And then you'll see a few other hot spots,
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然后你会发现其他亮点，
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and these are in fact the tumors.
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这些事实上都是肿瘤。
05:01
Now, this is a really
a wonderful technology.
a wonderful technology.
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这真的是一个很棒的科技。
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For the first time it allowed us
to look into someone's body
to look into someone's body
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这是第一次，我们能够观察身体内部，
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without picking up
each and every one of the cells
each and every one of the cells
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不需要取出细胞，
05:09
and putting them under the microscope,
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并把它们放在显微镜下来观察，
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but in a noninvasive way
allowing us to look into someone's body
allowing us to look into someone's body
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而是无侵入性地观察人体内部，
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and ask, "Hey,
has the cancer metastasized?
has the cancer metastasized?
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并问，“嘿，癌症有扩散吗？
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Where is it?"
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它在哪里？”
05:17
And the PET scans here
are showing you very clearly
are showing you very clearly
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PET扫描很清晰的告诉我们
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where are these hot spots,
where is the tumor.
where is the tumor.
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亮点在哪里，
肿瘤在哪里。
肿瘤在哪里。
05:23
So as miraculous as this might seem,
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这看起来很奇妙，
05:26
unfortunately, well, it's not that great.
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然而，这并没有那么棒。
05:30
You see, those
small little hot spots there.
small little hot spots there.
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那些小小的亮点，
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Can anyone guess how many cancer cells
are in any one of these tumors?
are in any one of these tumors?
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有人能猜猜在其中一个肿瘤里
有多少癌细胞吗？
有多少癌细胞吗？
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So it's about 100 million cancer cells,
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大概有1亿个癌细胞，
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and let me make sure
that this number sunk in.
that this number sunk in.
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让我解释一下这个数字。
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In each and every one
of these small little blips
of these small little blips
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每一个小小的亮点，
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that you're seeing on the image,
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你能在图片中看到的，
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there needs to be
at least 100 million cancer cells
at least 100 million cancer cells
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都需要至少1亿个癌细胞
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in order for it to be detected.
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才能被检测到。
05:53
Now, if that seemed to you
like a very large number,
like a very large number,
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如果那对你来说是个很大的数字，
05:55
it is a very large number.
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没错，那就是一个很大的数字。
05:58
This is in fact
an incredibly large number,
an incredibly large number,
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事实上，
这就是一个非常巨大的数字，
这就是一个非常巨大的数字，
我们需要的是能够尽早发现一些东西，
06:00
because what we really need
in order to pick up something early enough
in order to pick up something early enough
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并能够采取有意义的行动，
06:04
to do something about it,
to do something meaningful about it,
to do something meaningful about it,
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我们需要能发现有一千个癌细胞大小的肿瘤，
06:07
well, we need to pick up tumors
that are a thousand cells in size,
that are a thousand cells in size,
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理想来说，
我们需要能发现只有很少癌细胞的肿瘤，
我们需要能发现只有很少癌细胞的肿瘤，
06:10
and ideally just
a handful of cells in size.
a handful of cells in size.
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所以我们很明显离这个目标还很远。
06:12
So we're clearly
pretty far away from this.
pretty far away from this.
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所以我们要做一个小实验。
06:14
So we're going to play
a little experiment here.
a little experiment here.
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06:16
I'm going to ask each of you
to now play and imagine
to now play and imagine
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我要你们每一个人扮演和想象
06:19
that you are brain surgeons.
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你是一个脑部手术医师。
06:21
And you guys are now at an operating room,
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你们现在在一间手术室里，
06:25
and there's a patient in front of you,
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面前有一个病人，
06:27
and your task is to make sure
that the tumor is out.
that the tumor is out.
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你的任务就是保证清除肿瘤。
06:31
So you're looking down at the patient,
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所以你低头看着病人，
06:34
the skin and the skull
have already been removed,
have already been removed,
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皮肤和头骨都已经被拆除了，
06:37
so you're looking at the brain.
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所以你正在看着大脑。
06:38
And all you know about this patient
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你知道的所有关于这个病人的，
06:40
is that there's a tumor
about the size of a golf ball or so
about the size of a golf ball or so
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就是有一个大概高尔夫球大小的肿瘤
06:43
in the right frontal lobe
of this person's brain.
of this person's brain.
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在这个病人的右额叶。
06:46
And that's more or less it.
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情景大概就是这样。
06:47
So you're looking down, and unfortunately
everything looks the same,
everything looks the same,
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所以你往下看，不幸的是，
所有东西都看起来是一样的，
所有东西都看起来是一样的，
06:50
because brain cancer tissue
and healthy brain tissue
and healthy brain tissue
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因为脑癌组织和健康的脑组织
06:53
really just look the same.
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看起来是一样的。
06:55
And so you're going in with your thumb,
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所以你要用你的拇指，
06:57
and you start to press
a little bit on the brain,
a little bit on the brain,
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开始轻轻地在大脑上按压，
06:59
because tumors tend to be
a little harder, stiffer,
a little harder, stiffer,
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因为肿瘤相对更硬，
07:02
and so you go in and go
a little bit like this and say,
a little bit like this and say,
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所以你一遍一遍做这样的事情，
07:04
"It seems like the tumor is right there."
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“看起来肿瘤在这。”
07:06
Then you take out your knife
and start cutting the tumor
and start cutting the tumor
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然后你拿出刀，开始切割肿瘤，
07:09
piece by piece by piece.
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一块一块地，
07:10
And as you're taking the tumor out,
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当你正在摘除肿瘤的时候，
07:12
then you're getting
to a stage where you think,
to a stage where you think,
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然后你会想，
07:14
"Alright, I'm done.
I took out everything."
I took out everything."
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“好，我把所有的肿瘤都拿出来了。”
07:16
And at this stage, if that's --
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到了这个时候，
07:18
so far everything sounded,
like, pretty crazy --
like, pretty crazy --
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一切看起来都有点疯狂，
07:21
you're now about to face the most
challenging decision of your life here.
challenging decision of your life here.
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你现在要面临人生中最具挑战的决定，
07:24
Because now you need to decide,
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因为你要决定：
07:26
should I stop here
and let this patient go,
and let this patient go,
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我应该停下，让病人出院吗？
07:29
risking that there might be
some leftover cancer cells behind
some leftover cancer cells behind
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有可能还有一些癌细胞我并没有清除掉
07:32
that I just couldn't see,
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因为我看不出来。
07:33
or should I take away some extra margins,
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或者我应该多摘除一些边缘组织，
07:36
typically about an inch or so
around the tumor
around the tumor
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比如把肿瘤边缘一英寸的区域都清除掉，
07:39
just to be sure that I removed everything?
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以保证移除了所有肿瘤？
07:43
So this is not a simple decision to make,
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所以这不是一个简单的决定，
07:47
and unfortunately this is the decision
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而且不幸的是，这是一个
07:49
that brain cancer surgeons
have to take every single day
have to take every single day
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脑癌手术医师每一场手术都要做的决定，
07:53
as they're seeing their patients.
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07:55
And so I remember talking
to a few friends of mine in the lab,
to a few friends of mine in the lab,
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所以我记得我跟
我的几个朋友在实验室聊天，
我的几个朋友在实验室聊天，
07:58
and we say, "Boy,
there's got to be a better way."
there's got to be a better way."
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我们说 “伙计们，我们必须要有更好的方式。”
08:00
But not just like you tell a friend
that there's got to be a better way.
that there's got to be a better way.
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这不是说说而已
08:04
There's just got to be a better way here.
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而是，真的，我们必须要有一个更好的方式。
08:06
This is just incredible.
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这太不可思议了。
08:07
And so we looked back.
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所以我们回头看，
08:09
Remember those PET scans I told you about,
the sugar and so on.
the sugar and so on.
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想起了我告诉你们的那个PET扫描，
糖分子啊等等。
糖分子啊等等。
08:12
We said, hey, how about
instead of using sugar molecules,
instead of using sugar molecules,
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我们说，嘿，如果不用糖分子，
08:15
let's maybe take tiny, tiny
little particles made of gold,
little particles made of gold,
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我们可以用很小很小的由金构成的粒子，
08:18
and let's program them with some
interesting chemistry around them.
interesting chemistry around them.
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然后在它们旁边附上一些
有趣的化学物质，
有趣的化学物质，
08:21
Let's program them
to look for cancer cells.
to look for cancer cells.
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让它们去寻找癌细胞。
08:24
And then we will inject
these gold particles
these gold particles
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然后我们会注射这些金粒子，
08:26
into these patients by the billions again,
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同样以上十亿的数量注入病人体内，
08:28
and we'll have them go all over the body,
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让它们散布全身，
08:30
and just like secret agents, if you will,
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你可以把他们想象成秘密特工，
08:32
go and walk by
every single cell in our body
every single cell in our body
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潜伏在我们体内的每一个细胞，
08:35
and knock on the door of that cell,
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并敲开细胞的门，
08:37
and ask, "Are you a cancer cell
or are you a healthy cell?
or are you a healthy cell?
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并问：
“你是一个癌细胞，还是健康的细胞？”
“你是一个癌细胞，还是健康的细胞？”
如果你是一个健康的细胞，那就继续去敲下一家门，
08:40
If you're a healthy cell, we're moving on.
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如果你是一个癌细胞，
我们就潜入进去，并发出亮光，
我们就潜入进去，并发出亮光，
08:42
If you're a cancer cell,
we're sticking in and shining out
we're sticking in and shining out
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08:44
and telling us,
"Hey, look at me, I'm here."
"Hey, look at me, I'm here."
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给出信号说，
“嘿，看看我，我在这。”
“嘿，看看我，我在这。”
08:47
And they'll do it
through some interesting cameras
through some interesting cameras
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他们可以通过一些特殊的摄像头来完成这些任务
08:49
that we developed in the lab.
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（我们在实验室里研发出来的）
08:50
And once we see that,
maybe we can guide brain cancer surgeons
maybe we can guide brain cancer surgeons
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一旦我们可以看到癌细胞，
我们就可以指导脑癌手术医师，
我们就可以指导脑癌手术医师，
08:53
towards taking only the tumor
and leaving the healthy brain alone.
and leaving the healthy brain alone.
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只摘除肿瘤，留下健康的脑细胞。
08:57
And so we've tested that,
and boy, this works well.
and boy, this works well.
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所以我们尝试了这个办法，
它的运作很成功。
它的运作很成功。
09:00
So I'm going to show you an example now.
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我现在要给你们展示一个实验，
09:02
What you're looking at here
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你现在看到的，
09:04
is an image of a mouse's brain,
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是一张老鼠大脑的照片，
09:08
and we've implanted
into this mouse's brain
into this mouse's brain
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我们已经在这只老鼠的大脑里，
09:11
a small little tumor.
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种植了一个小肿瘤。
09:13
And so this tumor is now
growing in this mouse's brain,
growing in this mouse's brain,
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所以这个肿瘤现在正在老鼠大脑里扩散，
09:15
and then we've taken a doctor
and asked the doctor
and asked the doctor
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我们已经请求过一个医生，
09:18
to please operate on the mouse
as if that was a patient,
as if that was a patient,
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让他来这只“病人”老鼠动手术，
09:21
and take out piece by piece
out of the tumor.
out of the tumor.
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一片一片地取出肿瘤。
09:23
And while he's doing that,
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当他在做这个的时候，
09:25
we're going to take images
to see where the gold particles are.
to see where the gold particles are.
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我们准备给金粒子的位置拍照，
09:28
And so we're going to first start
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所以首先我们要
09:30
by injecting these gold particles
into this mouse,
into this mouse,
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给这只老鼠注射金粒子，
09:32
and we're going to see
right here at the very left there
right here at the very left there
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所以我们可以看到，在最左边，
09:35
that image at the bottom
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底部的那张图片，
09:36
is the image that shows
where the gold particles are.
where the gold particles are.
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展示金粒子的位置，
09:39
The nice thing
is that these gold particles
is that these gold particles
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金粒子的好处就是
09:41
actually made it all the way to the tumor,
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它们能够成功找到肿瘤，
09:43
and then they shine out and tell us,
"Hey, we're here. Here's the tumor."
"Hey, we're here. Here's the tumor."
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发光，并告诉我们
“嘿，我们在这儿，肿瘤在这儿。”
“嘿，我们在这儿，肿瘤在这儿。”
09:47
So now we can see the tumor,
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所以我们可以看到肿瘤，
09:48
but we're not showing this
to the doctor yet.
to the doctor yet.
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但是我们还没有把这个展示给医生。
09:50
We're asking the doctor,
now please start cutting away the tumor,
now please start cutting away the tumor,
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我们要求医生开始切除肿瘤，
你能看到四分之一的肿瘤
已经被医生摘除了，
已经被医生摘除了，
09:53
and you'll see here the doctor
just took the first quadrant of the tumor
just took the first quadrant of the tumor
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你已经看不到四分之一的肿瘤了。
09:57
and you see that first quadrant
is now missing.
is now missing.
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医生然后移除了第二个和
第三个四分之一，
第三个四分之一，
09:59
The doctor then took
the second quadrant, the third,
the second quadrant, the third,
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现在看起来肿瘤已经被清除干净了，
10:01
and now it appears to be everything.
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到了这个阶段，
医生告诉我们说：
医生告诉我们说：
10:03
And so at this stage,
the doctor came back to us and said,
the doctor came back to us and said,
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“好了，我做完了。
现在你们要我干什么？
现在你们要我干什么？
10:06
"Alright, I'm done.
What do you want me to do?
What do you want me to do?
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10:08
Should I keep things as they are
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留下剩下的不动，
10:10
or do you want me to take
some extra margins around?"
some extra margins around?"
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还是要我摘除多余的边缘？“
10:12
And then we said, "Well, hang on."
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然后我们说：”等等。“
10:14
We told the doctor,
"You've missed those two spots,
"You've missed those two spots,
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我们告诉医生
“你已经遗漏了这两处，
“你已经遗漏了这两处，
与其要切除大量的边缘，
10:16
so rather than taking huge margins around,
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还不如把这些小型的部分切除。
10:18
only take out those tiny little areas.
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把它们摘除，然后我们再看看。“
10:20
Take them out,
and then let's take a look."
and then let's take a look."
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10:22
And so the doctor took them away,
and lo and behold,
and lo and behold,
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然后医生把它们摘除了，
10:25
the cancer is now completely gone.
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癌细胞现在是完全的没了。
10:27
Now, the important thing
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现在，重要的不仅仅是
10:29
is that it's not just
that the cancer is completely gone
that the cancer is completely gone
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癌症细胞已经从这个人或者
是老鼠的大脑里摘除了，
是老鼠的大脑里摘除了，
10:31
from this person's brain,
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10:33
or from this mouse's brain.
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最重要的是，
10:35
The most important thing
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我不需要在手术过程中摘除大量的健康脑细胞，
10:36
is that we did not have to take
huge amounts of healthy brain
huge amounts of healthy brain
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10:39
in the process.
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10:40
And so now we can actually imagine a world
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所以现在我们可以想象一个世界，
10:42
where doctors and surgeons,
as they take away a tumor,
as they take away a tumor,
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医生和手术医师在摘除肿瘤的时候，
他们知道什么是应该摘除了，
10:46
they actually know what to take out,
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他们不再需要用拇指来猜测。
10:48
and they no longer
have to guess with their thumb.
have to guess with their thumb.
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现在，这是为什么取出那些
剩余少量的肿瘤那么重要，
剩余少量的肿瘤那么重要，
10:51
Now, here's why it's extremely important
to take those tiny little leftover tumors.
to take those tiny little leftover tumors.
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那些剩下的肿瘤，
即使只有一点点细胞，
即使只有一点点细胞，
10:55
Those leftover tumors,
even if it's just a handful of cells,
even if it's just a handful of cells,
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它们会复发，
10:58
they will grow to recur the tumor,
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重新长成肿瘤。
11:01
for the tumor to come back.
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11:03
In fact, the reason why 80 to 90 percent
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事实上，
这就是为什么80%到90%的
这就是为什么80%到90%的
11:05
of those brain cancer surgeries
ultimately fail
ultimately fail
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脑癌手术医师最终都会失败，
11:07
is because of those small little
extra margins that were left positive,
extra margins that were left positive,
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是因为那些我们乐观地
留下少量的边缘物质，
留下少量的边缘物质，
那些我们遗漏的没有能够清除的少量剩余物质。
11:11
those small little leftover tumors
that were left there.
that were left there.
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11:15
So this is clearly very nice,
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所以，这当然非常好。
11:17
but what I really want to share with you
is where I think we're heading from here.
is where I think we're heading from here.
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然而我最想分享给你们的是
由此开始，我们还可以做什么
由此开始，我们还可以做什么
11:21
And so in my lab at Stanford,
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在我的斯坦福实验室，
11:23
my students and I are asking,
what should we be working on now?
what should we be working on now?
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我和我的学生都在想：接下来我们可以做什么？
11:29
And I think where
medical imaging is heading to
medical imaging is heading to
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我认为医疗影像的未来
是能够探查人体的内部，
11:32
is the ability to look into the human body
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并能够分别查看每一个细胞。
11:34
and actually see each and every one
of these cells separately.
of these cells separately.
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11:39
The ability like this would allow us
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像这样的能力，能够让我们
11:40
to actually pick up tumors
way, way earlier in the process,
way, way earlier in the process,
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在早期移除肿瘤，
11:43
way before it's 100 million cells inside,
so we can actually do something about it.
so we can actually do something about it.
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远远在达到1亿个癌细胞之前，
我们就可以采取行动。
我们就可以采取行动。
11:48
An ability to see each and every one
of the cells might also allow us
of the cells might also allow us
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一种能够查看单个细胞的能力，
能够让我们
能够让我们
提出更深刻的问题。
11:51
to ask insightful questions.
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11:53
So in the lab,
we are now getting to a point
we are now getting to a point
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所以在实验室里，
我们正在尝试，
我们正在尝试，
11:55
where we can actually start asking
these cancer cells real questions,
these cancer cells real questions,
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给癌细胞提出更具体的问题，
比如说，我们给你的治疗有效果吗？
11:58
like, for example, are you responding
to the treatment we are giving you or not?
to the treatment we are giving you or not?
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如果没有效果，
我们就会知道要立即停止治疗
我们就会知道要立即停止治疗
12:02
So if you're not responding, we'll know
to stop the treatment right away,
to stop the treatment right away,
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而不是要等到三个月以后
12:05
days into the treatment, not three months.
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像埃胡德这样的病人，
12:08
And so also for patients like Ehud
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正在经受这些残酷治疗的病人
12:10
that are going through these
nasty, nasty chemotherapy drugs,
nasty, nasty chemotherapy drugs,
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12:15
for them not to suffer
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当药物并不能帮助他们的时候
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through those horrendous
side effects of the drugs
side effects of the drugs
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when the drugs are
in fact not even helping them.
in fact not even helping them.
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让他们免受这些可怕的药物副作用，
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So to be frank here,
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但是坦白来说，
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we're pretty far away
from winning the war against cancer,
from winning the war against cancer,
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我们距离赢得与癌症的斗争还很远，
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just to be realistic.
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这就是现实。
12:29
But at least I am hopeful
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但是，至少我是乐观的，
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that we should be able to fight this war
with better medical imaging techniques
with better medical imaging techniques
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我们能够用更好的医疗影像来做斗争，
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in the way that is not blind.
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那样，我们就不会是在盲目斗争了。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Adam de la Zerda - Biologist, electrical engineerAdam de la Zerda develops new medical imaging technologies to detect and destroy cancer.
Why you should listen
Adam de la Zerda is an assistant professor at the Departments of Structural Biology and Electrical Engineering (courtesy) at Stanford University – School of Medicine. He completed his undergraduate degree in computer engineering and physics from the Technion – Israel Institute of Technology in 2005 Summa Cum Laude. He received his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering from Stanford University in 2011, where he developed the Photoacoustic Molecular Imaging technique with Sanjiv Sam Gambhir. He was then a postdoctoral fellow at the lab of Carolyn Bertozzi at UC Berkeley – Chemistry Department, before joining the Stanford faculty in 2012.
de la Zerda's research interests span the broad field of molecular imaging. His lab focuses on developing new optical imaging instrumentation and chemistry tools to study the complex spatiotemporal behavior of biomolecules in living subjects. The lab uses animal models for cancer and ophthalmic diseases such as age-related macular degeneration. His research efforts span both basic science and clinically translatable work.
de la Zerda has received many awards and honors for his work, including the Pew-Stewart Scholar for Cancer Research, the AFOSR Young Investigator Award, Baxter Faculty Scholar Award, Dale F. Frey Award, Forbes Magazine 30 Under 30 in Science and Healthcare for 2012 and 2014, NIH Director’s Early Independence Award, Damon Runyon Cancer Research Foundation Postdoctoral Fellowship, Era of Hope Distinguished Predoctoral Poster Award, Best Poster Presentation at SPIE Photonics West, the Young Investigator Award at the World Molecular Imaging Congress, the Department of Defense Breast Cancer Research Program Award for Predoctoral researchers, the Bio-X Graduate Student Fellowship and first place at the Bay Area Entrepreneurship Contest. He has published papers in leading journals including Nature Medicine, Nature Nanotechnology and PNAS. He holds a number of patents and is the founder of a medical device company, Click Diagnostics.
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