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Hasan Elahi: FBI, here I am!
Hasan Elahi: 聯邦調查局, 我在這裡！
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當他意外地被列在一個觀察名單上時，Hasan Elahi 被當地的聯邦調查局特工通知，要讓他們知道他的行踪。他不只聽從照辦, 而且他幹了更多......很多。
Hasan Elahi - Privacy artist
In 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list. Full bio
In 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list. Full bio
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Hi there. I'm Hasan. I'm an artist.
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你好。我叫Hasan。我是一個藝術家。
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And usually when I tell people I'm an artist,
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通常當我告訴人我是一個藝術家，
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they just look at me and say, "Do you paint?"
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他們只是看著我問，「 你畫油畫？」
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or "What kind of medium do you work in?"
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或「你用什麼工具創作？」
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Well most of my work that I work with
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我的工作，實際上是
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is really a little bit about methodologies of working
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一個有關工作的方法
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rather than actually a specific discipline
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而不是一個特定的媒質
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or a specific technique.
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或特定的技術。
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So what I'm really interested in is creative problem solving.
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我真正感興趣的是創造性地解決問題。
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And I had a little bit of a problem a few years ago.
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幾年前，我有一點問題。
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So let me show you a little of that.
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因此，讓我告訴你一點點。
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So it started over here.
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故事在這裡開始。
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And this is the Detroit airport in June 19th of 2002.
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這裡是在2002年6月19日底特律機場。
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I was flying back to the U.S. from an exhibition overseas.
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我從海外展覽飛回美國。
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And as I was coming back,
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在我回來時，
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well I was taken by the FBI, met by an FBI agent,
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聯邦調查局扣留着我, 聯邦調查局特工
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and went into a little room
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帶我走進一個小房間,
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and he asked me all sorts of questions --
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他問了我各種各樣的問題 --
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"Where were you? What were you doing? Who were you talking with?
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「 你去了哪裡？你在幹什麼？你跟誰說話？
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Why were you there? Who pays for your trips?" --
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為什麼你你去了那裡? 誰幫你出錢？ 」--
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all these little details.
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所有這些小細節。
01:07
And then literally just out of nowhere,
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然後不知道從哪裡,
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the guy asks me, "Where were you September 12th?"
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這個傢伙問我，「你9月12日在哪裡？」
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And when most of us get asked, "Where were you September 12th?"
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當我們最經常被問，「你9月12日在哪裡？」
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or any date for that fact,
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或事實任何一日期，
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it's like, "I don't exactly remember, but I can look it up for you."
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經常這就像，「 我不完全記得，但我可以給你查查看。」
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So I pulled out my little PDA,
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於是我掏出我的掌上型電腦，
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and I said, "Okay, let's look up my appointments for September 12th."
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我說：「好吧，讓我們來看看我在9月12日約會。 」
01:24
I had September 12th -- from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 a.m., I paid my storage bill.
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9月12日 -- 上午10時至10時半，我付清了我的儲藏室帳單。
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From 10:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m., I met with Judith who was one of my graduate students at the time.
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從上午10時半至中午，我會見了在當時是我的一個研究生Judith。
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From 12:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m., I taught my intro class,
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從中午至下午3時，我教授我的介紹課，
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3:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m., I taught my advanced class.
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下午3時0至6時，我教授我的高級班。
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"Where were you the 11th?" "Where were you the 10th?"
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「你在11日在哪裡？」「你在10日在哪裡？」
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"Where were you the 29th? the 30th?"
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「你29日在哪裡？30日呢？」
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"Where were you October 5th?"
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「 你在10月5日在哪裡？」
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We read about six months of my calendar.
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我們翻查了我6個月的日曆。
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And I don't think he was expecting me to have such detailed records
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我想他不曾預料我會有
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of what I did.
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這樣詳細的記錄。
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But good thing I did,
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但幸虧我有，
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because I don't look good in orange.
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因為我變成橙色不好看。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:54
So he asked me --
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於是，他問我 --
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(Applause)
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(掌聲）
01:58
"So this storage unit that you paid the rent on,
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「你這個要支付的租金存儲單位，
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what did you have in it?"
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裡面存儲什麼？ 」
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This was in Tampa, Florida,
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這是在美國佛羅里達州坦帕市，
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so I was like, "Winter clothes that I have no use for in Florida.
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我說，「我在佛羅里達州沒有用的冬天衣服。
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Furniture that I can't fit in my ratty apartment.
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在我破爛的公寓沒有足夠空間放置的家具。
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Just assorted garage sale junk,
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車庫出售的垃圾，
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because I'm a pack rat."
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因為我是一個囤積狂。」
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And he looks at me really confused and says, "No explosives?"
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他看着我真的很困惑，說：「 沒有炸藥？」
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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I was like, "No, no. I'm pretty certain there were no explosives.
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我說，「 不，不。我敢肯定沒有炸藥，
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And if there were, I would have remembered that one."
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而如果有，我會記得的。」
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And he's still a little confused,
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他還是有點困惑，
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but I think that anyone who talks to me for more than a couple of minutes
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但我覺得任何人跟我談超過幾分鐘，
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realizes I'm not exactly a terrorist threat.
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會意識到我完全不是一個恐怖威脅。
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And so we're sitting there,
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我們坐在那裡，
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and eventually after about an hour, hour and a half of just going back and forth,
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最終經過約一個小時，一個半小時來來回回，
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he says, "Okay, I have enough information here.
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他說，「好吧，我有足夠的資料在這裡，
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I'm going to pass this onto the Tampa office. They're the ones who initiated this.
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我會傳遞到坦帕的辦公室。是他們發起調查的。
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They'll follow up with you, and we'll take care of it."
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他們將與你跟進，我們會關照他們。」
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I was like, "Great."
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我當時說，「好。」
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So I got home and the phone rings,
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我回到家，電話鈴聲響起，
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and a man introduced himself.
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一名男子介紹自己。
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Basically this is the FBI offices in Tampa
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基本上，這是在坦帕的聯邦調查局辦事處，
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where I spent six months of my life --
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我在坦帕生活了6個月 --
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back and forth, not six months continuously.
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6個月內, 來來回回。
03:00
By the way, you folks know that in the United States,
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順便說一下，你要知道在美國，
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you can't take photographs of federal buildings,
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你不可以攝影聯邦大樓的照片，
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but Google can do it for you.
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但谷歌能為你做到。
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So to the folks from Google, thank you.
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因此，谷歌，謝謝你。
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(Applause)
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（掌聲）
03:11
So I spent a lot of time in this building.
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所以我在這棟樓花了大量的時間。
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Questions like:
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問題如：
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"Have you ever witnessed or participated in any act
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「你有沒有曾經目睹或參與任何
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that may be detrimental to the United States or a foreign nation?"
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可能會損害到美國或外國民族行動？ 」
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And you also have to consider the state of mind you're in
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而且你還必須要考慮
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when you're doing this.
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當你這個時候的心態。
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You're basically face-to-face with someone
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你基本上是面對面，
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that essentially decides life or death.
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面對着基本上決定生或死的人。
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Or questions such as -- actually, during the polygraph,
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或問題如 -- 實際上，在測謊器，
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which was how it finally ended after nine consecutive of them --
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這是他們連續九次後決定終於結束 --
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one of the polygraph questions was ...
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測謊問題之一...
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well the first one was, "Is your name Hasan?" "Yes."
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第一個是，「Hasan是你的名字嗎？」「是的。」
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"Are we in Florida?" "Yes." "Is today Tuesday?" "Yes."
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「我們是在佛羅里達州嗎？」「是的。」「今天是星期二嗎？」「是的。」
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Because you have to base it on a yes or no.
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因為你要答是或否。
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Then, of course, the next question is:
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當然，然後接下來的問題是：
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"Do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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「你屬於任何想損害美國的團體嗎？」
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I work at a university.
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我在一所大學工作。
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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So I was like, "Maybe you want to ask some of my colleagues that directly."
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所以說，「也許你要直接問我的一些同事。」
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But they said, "Okay, aside from what we had discussed,
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但是他們說：「好了，除了我們討論的事情，
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do you belong to any groups that wish to harm the United States?"
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你屬於任何想損害美國的團體嗎？ 」
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I was like, "No."
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我說，「不。 」
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So at the end of six months of this
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因此，在6個月
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and nine consecutive polygraphs,
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和連續九個測謊儀結束時，
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they said, "Hey, everything's fine."
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他們說，「 嘿，一切都無恙。」
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I was like, "I know. That's what I've been trying to tell you guys all along.
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我說，「 我知道，我一直都在試圖告訴你們，
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I know everything's fine."
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我知道一切都無恙。」
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So they're looking at me really odd.
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他們很奇怪地看著我。
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And it's like, "Guys, I travel a lot."
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我說，「伙計們，我經常旅行。」
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This is with the FBI.
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這是與美國聯邦調查局。
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And I was like, "All we need is Alaska not to get the last memo,
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我當時說，「 只要阿拉斯加沒有得到最後的備忘錄,
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and here we go all over again."
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我們又需再在這裡從新開始再走一遍。」
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And there was a sincere concern there.
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他們實際在有真誠的顧慮。
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And he was like, "You know, if you get into trouble,
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他說，「 這樣吧，如果你陷入困境，
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give us a call -- we'll take care of it."
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給我們一個電話 -- 我們會關照你。」
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So ever since then, before I would go anywhere, I would call the FBI.
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因此從那時起，在我去任何地方之前，我會先致電聯邦調查局。
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I would tell them, "Hey guys, this is where I'm going. This is my flight.
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我會告訴他們，「 嗨，我要去這裡，這是我的航班。
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Northwest flight seven coming into Seattle
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西北航空7號3月12日
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on March 12th" or whatever.
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往西雅圖」或如此類推。
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A couple weeks later, I'd call again, let them know.
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幾個星期後，我再打電話讓他們知道行程。
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It wasn't that I had to, but I chose to.
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我不是要一定這樣做，但我選擇這樣做。
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Just wanted to say, "Hey guys.
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我想說，「 嗨, 傢伙，
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Don't want to make it look like I'm making any sudden moves."
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我只不想看起來像在做任何突然的舉動。」
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
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"I don't want you guys to think that I'm about to flee.
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「 我不想你們以為在我逃跑，
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Just letting you know. Heads up."
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因此我必須讓你知道。」
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And so I just kept doing this over and over and over.
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我不停地反復這樣做。
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And then the phone calls turned into emails,
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然後, 電話變成電郵，
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and the emails got longer and longer and longer ...
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而電子郵件亦變得更長，越來越長
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with pictures,
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附帶圖片，
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with travel tips.
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旅遊提示。
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Then I'd make websites.
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然後我更設網站。
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And then I built this over here. Let me go back to it over here.
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我在這裡建設網站。讓我們回去來看看。
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So I actually designed this back in 2003.
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我其實在2003年設計這個。
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So this kind of tracks me at any given moment.
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所以在任何時刻都可以跟踪我。
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I wrote some code for my mobile phone.
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我在我的手機寫了一些代碼。
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Basically, what I decided is okay guys, you want to watch me, that's cool.
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基本上，我決定, 好，你要視察我，好。
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But I'll watch myself. It's okay.
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但我會自己視察自己。沒問題。
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You don't have to waste your energy or your resources.
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你不必浪費人力或資源。
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And I'll help you out.
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讓我來幫你們。
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So in the process, I start thinking, well what else might they know about me?
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因此在這個過程中，我開始思考，他們還有什麼可以更了解我呢？
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Well they probably have all my flight records,
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他們應可能有我所有的飛行記錄，
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so I decided to put all my flight records from birth online.
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所以，我決定把我從出生所有的飛行記錄放在網上。
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So you can see, Delta 1252
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所以你可以看到，在達美航空1252
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going from Kansas City to Atlanta.
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從堪薩斯城到亞特蘭大。
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And then you see, these are some of the meals that I've been fed on the planes.
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然後就可以看到，這些都是一些我在飛機吃的飯菜。
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This was on Delta 719
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這是達美航空719
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going from JFK to San Francisco.
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從肯尼迪機場到舊金山三角洲。
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See that? They won't let me on a plane with that,
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看到了嗎？他們不會讓我帶這個上機，
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but they'll give it to me on the plane.
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但他們會在飛機上給我這個。
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(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:05
These are the airports that I hang out in,
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這些是我流連的機場，
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because I like airports.
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因為我喜歡機場。
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That's Kennedy airport, May 19th, Tuesday.
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這是肯尼迪機場，5月19日，星期二。
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This is in Warsaw.
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這是在華沙。
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Singapore. You can see, they're kind of empty.
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新加坡。你可以看到，它們是空空的。
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These images are shot really anonymously
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這些圖像匿名的拍攝，
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to the point where it could be anyone.
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它可能是任何人拍攝。
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But if you can cross-reference this with the other data,
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但如果你可以交叉引用其他數據，
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then you're basically replaying the roll of the FBI agent
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那麼你基本上扮演邦調查局特工，
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and putting it all together.
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將全部信息放在一起。
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And when you're in a situation
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當你在一個情況
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where you have to justify every moment of your existence,
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是你必須證明你存在的每一刻的時候，
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you're put in the situation where you react in a very different manner.
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在你投入這情況下，你便會有非常不同的反應方式。
06:36
At the time that this was going on,
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在當時發生這回事的時候，
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the last thing on my mind was "art project."
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在我腦海 根本沒想到這是一項「藝術項目」。
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I was certainly not thinking, hey, I got new work here.
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我肯定沒有想到，哎，我得到了新的工作。
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But after going through this, after realizing, well what just happened?
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但經過這個後，看清後，便會想想剛剛究竟發生了什麼？
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And after piecing together this, this and this,
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拼湊這個和那個後，
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this way of actually trying to figure out what happened for myself
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這種試圖找出在自己身上發生了什麼的方式
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eventually evolved into this,
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最終慢慢地演變成這個，
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and it actually became this project.
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然後實際上成為了這個項目。
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So these are the stores that I shop in -- some of them --
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這些是我其中一些買東西的店鋪 --
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because they need to know.
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因為他們是需要知道的。
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This is me buying some duck flavored paste
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這是我在達大華超級市場
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at the Ranch 99 in Daly City
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買了一些鴨味調醬,
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on Sunday, November 15th.
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在11月15日,星期日。
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At Coreana Supermarket
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在樟超市
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buying my kimchi because I like kimchi.
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我買泡菜，因為我喜歡泡菜。
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And I bought some crabs too right around there,
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我亦在附近買了一些螃蟹,
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and some chitlins at the Safeway in Emoryville.
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又在moryville的Safeway買了一些豬腸。
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And laundry too. Laundry detergent at West Oakland --
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亦去了洗衣房。在奧克蘭西買洗衣粉 --
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East Oakland, sorry.
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對不起, 奧克蘭東。
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And then my pickled jellyfish
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然後在不倫瑞克東18幹線的
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at the Hong Kong Supermarket on Route 18 in East Brunswick.
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香港超市買了醃海蜇。
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Now if you go to my bank records,
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現在如果你去看看我的銀行記錄，
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it'll actually show something from there,
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它實際上顯示從那裡的東西，
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so you know that, on May 9th,
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讓你知道，在5月9日，
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that I bought $14.79 in fuel from Safeway Vallejo.
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我從瓦列霍的Safeway購買了$14.79的燃油。
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So not only that I'm giving this information here and there,
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所以不僅是我給這些資料，
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but now there's a third party,
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但現在還有第三者，
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an independent third party, my bank,
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獨立的第三者，我的銀行，
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that's verifying that, yes indeed, I was there at this time.
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驗證我在這個時候就在這裡。
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So there's points, and these points are actually being cross-referenced.
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因此，有這些資料點，可以交叉引用。
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And there's a verification taking place.
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還有正在發生的核查。
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Sometimes they're really small purchases.
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有時，它們真是小額的採購。
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So 34 cents foreign transaction fee.
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所以僅僅的34美分外匯交易費。
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All of these are extracted directly from my bank accounts,
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所有這些都直接從我的銀行帳戶中提取，
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and everything pops up right away.
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並一切可以馬上登出。
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Sometimes there's a lot of information.
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往往有大量的信息。
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This is exactly where my old apartment in San Francisco was.
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這是我在舊金山的老年公寓的確切位置。
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And then sometimes you get this.
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然後有時候你會得到這個。
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Sometimes you just get this, just an empty hallway in Salt Lake City,
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有時候你會有時候你會得到這個。1月22日在鹽湖城，
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January 22nd.
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一個空的走廊。
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And I can tell you exactly who I was with, where I was,
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我可以確切地告訴你我與誰在一起，我在哪裡，
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because this is what I had to do with the FBI.
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因為這是我必須替聯邦調查局這樣做。
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I had to tell them every little detail of everything.
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我要告訴他們一切小細節。
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I spend a lot of time on the road.
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我在路上花很多時間。
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This is a parking lot in Elko, Nevada
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這是一個在內華達州埃爾科的停車場
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off of Route 80
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80路線
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at 8:01 p.m. on August 19th.
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8月19日下午8:01。
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I spend a lot of time in gas stations too -- empty train stations.
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我亦在加油站花很多時間 -- 空的火車站。
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So there's multiple databases.
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因此，有多個數據庫。
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And there's thousands and thousands and thousands of images.
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有成千上萬的圖像。
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There's actually 46,000 images right now on my site,
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實際上，現在我的網站上有46000圖像，
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and the FBI has seen all of them --
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聯邦調查局亦已經看到這些所有 --
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at least I trust they've seen all of them.
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至少我相信他們已經看到了。
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And then sometimes you don't get much information at all,
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然後有時你會不得到很多的信息，
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you just get this empty bed.
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只是個空床。
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And sometimes you get a lot of text information and no visual information.
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有時你得到了大量的文字資料但沒有視覺信息。
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So you get something like this.
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你得到這樣的東西。
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This, by the way, is the location of my favorite sandwich shop in California --
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順便說一下，這是我在加利福尼亞州最喜歡的三明治店的位置 --
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Vietnamese sandwich.
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越南三明治。
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So there's different categorizations
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還有在火車站,
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of meals eaten outside
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空的加油站,
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empty train stations, empty gas stations.
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吃的不同的飯菜分類。
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These are some of the meals that I've been cooking at home.
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這些都是一些我在家做的飯菜。
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So how do you know these are meals eaten at home?
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那你怎麼知道這些都是在家吃的飯？
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Well the same plate shows up a whole bunch of times.
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因為連續顯示了相同的碟子。
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So again, you have to do some detective work here.
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所以，你要在這裡做一些偵探工作。
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So sometimes the databases get so specific.
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有時數據庫會如此具有個別性。
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These are all tacos eaten in Mexico City
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這是七月五日至第六日在
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near a train station
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墨西哥城的火車站附近
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on July fifth to July sixth.
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全部我所吃墨西哥卷餅。
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At 11:39 a.m. was this one.
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這一個是在上午11時 39分。
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At 1:56 p.m. was this one. At 4:59 p.m. was this one.
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這一個是在1時 56分。這一個是在4時 59分。
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So I time-stamp my life every few moments.
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我將我的生活每隔幾分鐘便時間戳記。
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Every few moments I shoot the image.
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每隔幾分鐘，我便拍攝圖像。
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Now it's all done on my iPhone,
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全部都是在我的iPhone上進行，
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and it all goes straight up to my server,
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這一切都直接地上載到我的服務器，
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and my server does all the backend work
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而我的服務器進行所有的後台工作，
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and categorizes things and puts everything together.
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把一切東西歸類，融合在一起。
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They need to know where I'm doing my business,
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他們需要知道我往哪裡做我的事兒，
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because they want to know about my business.
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因為他們想了解我的業務。
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So on December 4th, I went here.
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因此，在12月4日，我來到這裡。
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And on Sunday, June 14th at 2009 --
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在上週日，2009年6月14日 --
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this was actually about two o'clock in the afternoon
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實際上是下午約兩點鐘
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in Skowhegan, Maine -- this was my apartment there.
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在緬因州Skowhegan, -- 這是我的公寓。
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So what you're basically seeing here
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所以你基本上在這裡看到的是
10:01
is all bits and pieces and all this information.
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所有的點點滴滴，所有這些信息。
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If you go to my site, there's tons of things.
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如果你去我的網站，那裡有很多東西。
10:06
And really, it's not the most user-friendly interface.
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但其實，這不是最容易用的界面。
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It's actually quite user-unfriendly.
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它事實上是非常不好用的。
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And one of the reasons, also being part of the user-unfriendliness,
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原因之一是
10:15
is that everything is there,
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所有東西都在網站上，
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but you have to really work through it.
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你必須深入地探討。
10:19
So by me putting all this information out there,
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所以我把所有這些信息放在那裡，
10:23
what I'm basically telling you is I'm telling you everything.
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我基本上是告訴你我的一切。
10:26
But in this barrage of noise
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因此，在我這信息的
10:28
that I'm putting out,
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噪音攻勢，
10:30
I actually live an incredibly anonymous and private life.
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我其實是活在一有個令人難以置信的匿名和私人的生活。
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And you know very little about me actually.
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你實際上對我的瞭解非常少。
10:38
And really so I've come to the conclusion
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我得出的結論是，
10:41
that the way you protect your privacy,
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你保護你隱私的方式，
10:43
particularly in an era where everything is cataloged
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尤其是在這一切都是被編目,
10:45
and everything is archived and everything is recorded,
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存檔，記錄的時代，
10:47
there's no need to delete information anymore.
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是已經沒有需要刪除信息。
10:50
So what do you do when everything is out there?
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所以當一切都在那裡, 你會怎麼做？
10:53
Well you have to take control over it.
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你必須要控制它。
10:55
And if I give you this information directly,
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如果我直接給你這些信息，
10:58
it's a very different type of identity
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它會是一個比如果你嘗試去
11:01
than if you were to try to go through and try to get bits and pieces.
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調查和收集星星點點的非常不同類型的身份。
11:04
The other thing that's also interesting that's going on here
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在這裡另外有趣的事情是，
11:07
is the fact that intelligence agencies --
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情報機構 --
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and it doesn't matter who they are --
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不管他們是誰--
11:12
they all operate in an industry
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他們都工作在一個
11:14
where their commodity is information,
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信息便是商品的行業，
11:16
or restricted access to information.
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或是限制獲取信息。
11:18
And the reason their information has any value
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他們的信息有價值的原因是，
11:21
is, well, because no one else has access to it.
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因為其他人不能夠獲取它。
11:24
And by me cutting out the middle man
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當我淘汰中間人，
11:26
and giving it straight to you,
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並直接給予你信息，
11:29
the information that the FBI has has no value,
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聯邦調查局的已經沒有任何價值，
11:32
so thus devaluing their currency.
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因此貶值其資源的價值。
11:35
And I understand that, on an individual level,
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據我所知，就個人而言，
11:37
it's purely symbolic.
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這純粹是象徵性的。
11:39
But if 300 million people in the U.S.
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但如果在美國的300萬人
11:41
started doing this,
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都開始這樣做，
11:43
we would have to redesign the entire intelligence system
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我們將不得不將整個情報系統
11:45
from the ground up.
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從新設計。
11:47
Because it just wouldn't work if everybody was sharing everything.
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因為, 如果每個人都分享一切, 它基本上不中用。
11:50
And we're getting to that.
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我們會討論這一點。
11:52
When I first started this project,
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當我剛開始做這件事的時候，
11:54
people were looking at me and saying,
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人們看著我說：
11:56
"Why would you want to tell everybody what you're doing, where you're at?
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「你為什麼想告訴大家你在做什麼，你在哪裡？
11:59
Why are you posting these photos?"
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你為什麼要發佈這些照片？」
12:01
This was an age before people were Tweeting everywhere
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這是在一個Twitter(推特)以前的時代,
12:05
and 750 million people
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在有750萬人無處不發佈
12:08
were posting status messages
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狀態,信息,或
12:10
or poking people.
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戳人的時代。
12:12
So in a way, I'm glad that I'm completely obsolete.
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因此，在某種程度上，我很高興我完全過時。
12:15
I'm still doing this project, but it is obsolete,
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我還在做這個項目，但它已經過時了，
12:18
because you're all doing it.
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因為所有人都在做。
12:20
This is something that we all are doing on a daily basis,
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這是我們每天正在做的基礎，
12:22
whether we're aware of it or not.
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無論我們是否意識到這一點與否。
12:24
So we're creating our own archives and so on.
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因此，我們正在創建我們自己的檔案。
12:27
And you know, some of my friends have always said,
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你知道，我的一些朋友一直說，
12:30
"Hey, you're just paranoid. Why are you doing this?
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「嘿，你只是偏執，你為什麼要這樣做呢？
12:32
Because no one's really watching.
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因為根本上沒有人真正在看，
12:34
No one's really going to bother you."
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沒有人真的會打擾你。」
12:36
So one of the things that I do
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所以，實際上我做的事情之一是
12:38
is I actually look through my server logs very carefully.
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我非常小心跡察我服務器的日誌。
12:40
Because it's about surveillance.
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因為這是關於監視。
12:42
I'm watching who's watching me.
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我在監視著誰在看著我。
12:45
And I came up with these.
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我發現了這些。
12:47
So these are some of my sample logs.
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這些都是我的一些日誌樣品。
12:49
And just little bits and pieces, and you can see some of the things there.
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只是點點滴滴，你可以看到一些東西。
12:52
And I cleaned up the list a little bit so you can see.
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當我清理一點點，這樣你就可以看到。
12:55
So you can see that the Homeland Security likes to come by --
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國土安全部喜歡來遊覽 --
12:58
Department of Homeland Security.
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是國土安全部。
13:00
You can see the National Security Agency likes to come by.
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你可以看到，國家安全局喜歡來。
13:02
I actually moved very close to them. I live right down the street from them now.
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其實我搬遷了到非常接近他們。距離就是街頭街尾。
13:06
Central Intelligence Agency.
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中央情報局。
13:08
Executive Office of the President.
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總統行政辦公室。
13:12
Not really sure why they show up, but they do.
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真的不知道他們為什麼來，但他們真的來看。
13:15
I think they kind of like to look at art.
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我覺得他們喜愛看藝術。
13:17
And I'm glad that we have patrons of the arts in these fields.
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我很高興我們在這些專業領域有藝術喜好者。
13:21
So thank you very much. I appreciate it.
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所以我非常感謝你們。我非常感激。
13:23
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
13:33
Bruno Giussani: Hasan, just curious.
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Bruno Giussani: Hasan, 只是好奇。
13:35
You said, "Now everything automatically goes from my iPhone,"
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你說，「一切都自動來自我的iPhone」，
13:38
but actually you do take the pictures and put on information.
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但實際上你在拍攝照片，並把信息傳上網路。
13:40
So how many hours of the day does that take?
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你一天花多少時間做這些？
13:43
HE: Almost none.
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HE: 幾乎沒有多少時間。
13:45
It's no different
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它比發送文字
13:47
than sending a text.
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沒有什麼不同。
13:49
It's no different than checking an email.
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它比檢查電子郵件沒有什麼不同。
13:52
It's one of those things, we got by just fine before we had to do any of those.
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那些東西，在這些技術之前們已經做得到。
13:54
So it's just become another day.
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所以現在沒有兩樣。
13:56
I mean, when we update a status message,
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我的意思是，當我們更新狀態消息，
13:58
we don't really think about how long that's going to take.
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我們沒有真正思考多久便進行。
14:01
So it's really just a matter of my phone clicking a couple of clicks,
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所以它真的只是在我的手機點擊幾個點,
14:03
send, and then it's done.
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然後發送便完成。
14:05
And everything's automated at the other end.
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在另一端一切皆自動化。
14:07
BG: On the day you are in a place where there is no coverage, the FBI gets crazy?
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BG: 在你在的地方沒有消息的一天，聯邦調查局會瘋了嗎？
14:10
HE: Well it goes to the last point that I was at.
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HE: 那麼, 它會去到我在最後的一點。
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So it holds onto the very last point.
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因此，它會保持到最後的一點。
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So if I'm on a 12-hour flight,
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如果我在12個小時飛行的時候，
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you'll see the last airport that I departed from.
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你便會看到我最後離開的機場。
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BG: Hasan, thank you very much. (HE: Thank you.)
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BG：Hasan，非常感謝你。 （HE：謝謝你。）
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(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Hasan Elahi - Privacy artistIn 2002, American artist Hasan Elahi’s name was added (by mistake) to the US government’s watch list.
Why you should listen
That led to an intensive investigation by the FBI. After months of interrogations, Elahi was finally cleared of suspicions but advised to keep the FBI informed of his whereabouts. Which he did -- fully, by opening up just about every aspect of his life to the public. What started with a practicality grew into an open-ended art project, with Elahi posting photos of his minute-by-minute life online (hotel rooms, airports, meals, receipts, bathrooms), tracking himself on Google Maps, releasing communication records, banking transactions and transportation logs, and more. The project questions the consequences of living under constant surveillance, and it has been presented at Centre Pompidou in Paris and at the Venice Biennale, among others. He is an associate professor of Art at University of Maryland, roughly equidistant from the CIA, FBI and NSA headquarters.
Hasan Elahi | Speaker | TED.com