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Kate Darling: Why we have an emotional connection to robots
Kejt Darling (Kate Darling): Zašto osećamo emocionalnu vezu sa robotima
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Daleko smo od razvijanja robota koji osećaju, ali mi već imamo osećanja prema njima, kaže etičarka za robotiku Kejt Darling, a takav instinkt može imati posledice. Naučite više o tome kako smo biološki predodređeni da projektujemo smisao i život na mašine, i kako nam to može pomoći da bolje razumemo sebe.
Kate Darling - Robot ethicist
Kate Darling investigates the relationship between humans and robots -- now, and in the future. Full bio
Kate Darling investigates the relationship between humans and robots -- now, and in the future. Full bio
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00:13
There was a day, about 10 years ago,
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Jednog dana, pre oko 10 godina,
00:15
when I asked a friend to hold
a baby dinosaur robot upside down.
a baby dinosaur robot upside down.
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zamolila sam prijatelja da drži
robota bebu dinosaurusa naopačke.
robota bebu dinosaurusa naopačke.
00:21
It was this toy called a Pleo
that I had ordered,
that I had ordered,
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Bila je to igračka po imenu Plio
koju sam naručila,
koju sam naručila,
00:25
and I was really excited about it
because I've always loved robots.
because I've always loved robots.
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i zbog nje sam bila jako uzbuđena
jer sam oduvek volela robote.
jer sam oduvek volela robote.
00:29
And this one has really cool
technical features.
technical features.
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A ovaj ima stvarno kul tehnička svojstva.
00:32
It had motors and touch sensors
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Imao je motor, senzore dodira
00:34
and it had an infrared camera.
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i infracrvenu kameru.
00:36
And one of the things it had
was a tilt sensor,
was a tilt sensor,
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Još jedna od stvari koju je imao
bio je senzor naginjanja,
bio je senzor naginjanja,
00:39
so it knew what direction it was facing.
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pa je znao u kom smeru je okrenut.
00:42
And when you held it upside down,
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Ako biste ga držali naopačke,
00:44
it would start to cry.
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počeo bi da plače.
00:46
And I thought this was super cool,
so I was showing it off to my friend,
so I was showing it off to my friend,
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Mislila sam da je ovo jako zabavno,
pa sam ga pokazala prijatelju,
pa sam ga pokazala prijatelju,
00:50
and I said, "Oh, hold it up by the tail.
See what it does."
See what it does."
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i rekla sam: „Drži ga za rep.
Videćeš šta radi.“
Videćeš šta radi.“
00:55
So we're watching
the theatrics of this robot
the theatrics of this robot
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I tako smo gledali performans ovog robota
00:58
struggle and cry out.
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koji se borio i plakao.
01:02
And after a few seconds,
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Nakon nekoliko sekundi,
01:04
it starts to bother me a little,
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počelo je malo da mi smeta,
01:07
and I said, "OK, that's enough now.
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pa sam rekla: „Okej, sad je dosta.
01:11
Let's put him back down."
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Hajde da ga spustimo dole.“
01:14
And then I pet the robot
to make it stop crying.
to make it stop crying.
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Zatim sam mazila robota
da bi prestao da plače.
da bi prestao da plače.
01:18
And that was kind of
a weird experience for me.
a weird experience for me.
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I to mi je bilo prilično čudno iskustvo.
01:22
For one thing, I wasn't the most
maternal person at the time.
maternal person at the time.
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Prvo, tada baš i nisam imala
majčinski instinkt.
majčinski instinkt.
01:26
Although since then I've become
a mother, nine months ago,
a mother, nine months ago,
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Iako sam od tada postala majka,
pre devet meseci,
pre devet meseci,
01:29
and I've learned that babies also squirm
when you hold them upside down.
when you hold them upside down.
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i shvatila da se i bebe vrpolje
kada ih držite naopačke.
kada ih držite naopačke.
01:32
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
01:35
But my response to this robot
was also interesting
was also interesting
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Moja reakcija na ovog robota
je bila zanimljiva
je bila zanimljiva
01:37
because I knew exactly
how this machine worked,
how this machine worked,
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i zato što sam tačno znala
kako ova mašina radi,
kako ova mašina radi,
01:41
and yet I still felt
compelled to be kind to it.
compelled to be kind to it.
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a ipak sam se osećala primorano
da budem dobra prema njoj.
da budem dobra prema njoj.
01:46
And that observation sparked a curiosity
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To opažanje je izazvalo radoznalost
01:49
that I've spent the past decade pursuing.
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koju sam sledila proteklih deset godina.
01:52
Why did I comfort this robot?
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Zašto sam tešila ovog robota?
01:56
And one of the things I discovered
was that my treatment of this machine
was that my treatment of this machine
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Jedna od stvari koju sam otkrila
je da je moje ponašanje prema ovoj mašini
je da je moje ponašanje prema ovoj mašini
01:59
was more than just an awkward moment
in my living room,
in my living room,
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bilo više od neprijatnog trenutka
u mojoj dnevnoj sobi,
u mojoj dnevnoj sobi,
02:03
that in a world where we're increasingly
integrating robots into our lives,
integrating robots into our lives,
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da u svetu u kome robote
sve više uključujemo u svoje živote
sve više uključujemo u svoje živote
02:09
an instinct like that
might actually have consequences,
might actually have consequences,
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takav instinkt u stvari
može imati posledice,
može imati posledice,
02:13
because the first thing that I discovered
is that it's not just me.
is that it's not just me.
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jer sam prvo otkrila
da nisam samo ja u pitanju.
da nisam samo ja u pitanju.
02:19
In 2007, the Washington Post
reported that the United States military
reported that the United States military
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List „Vašington post“ je 2007. godine
izvestio da je vojska SAD-a
izvestio da je vojska SAD-a
02:24
was testing this robot
that defused land mines.
that defused land mines.
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testirala nekog robota
koji je uklanjao mine.
koji je uklanjao mine.
02:27
And the way it worked
was it was shaped like a stick insect
was it was shaped like a stick insect
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Radio je tako što je imao oblik
izduženog insekta
izduženog insekta
02:30
and it would walk
around a minefield on its legs,
around a minefield on its legs,
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koji bi šetao po minskom polju
na svojim nogama,
na svojim nogama,
02:32
and every time it stepped on a mine,
one of the legs would blow up,
one of the legs would blow up,
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a svaki put kad bi stao na minu,
jedna noga bi mu eksplodirala,
jedna noga bi mu eksplodirala,
02:36
and it would continue on the other legs
to blow up more mines.
to blow up more mines.
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i nastavio bi na ostalim nogama
da razminira još mina.
da razminira još mina.
02:39
And the colonel who was in charge
of this testing exercise
of this testing exercise
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Pukovnik koji je bio zadužen za ovu vežbu
02:43
ends up calling it off,
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ju je na kraju otkazao,
02:45
because, he says, it's too inhumane
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jer, kako kaže, previše je nehumano
02:47
to watch this damaged robot
drag itself along the minefield.
drag itself along the minefield.
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gledati oštećenog robota
kako se vuče minskim poljem.
kako se vuče minskim poljem.
02:54
Now, what would cause
a hardened military officer
a hardened military officer
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E sad, šta bi nateralo očeličenog vojnika
02:58
and someone like myself
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i nekog kao što sam ja
03:00
to have this response to robots?
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na ovakvu reakciju na robote?
03:03
Well, of course, we're primed
by science fiction and pop culture
by science fiction and pop culture
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Pa, naravno, naveli su nas
naučna fantastika i masovna kultura
naučna fantastika i masovna kultura
03:06
to really want to personify these things,
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da zaista želimo
da personifikujemo ove stvari,
da personifikujemo ove stvari,
03:09
but it goes a little bit deeper than that.
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ali istina ide malo dublje od toga.
03:12
It turns out that we're biologically
hardwired to project intent and life
hardwired to project intent and life
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Ispostavlja se da nam je biološki urođeno
da projektujemo smisao i život
da projektujemo smisao i život
03:17
onto any movement in our physical space
that seems autonomous to us.
that seems autonomous to us.
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na bilo šta što se kreće u fizičkom svetu
što nam se čini samostalno.
što nam se čini samostalno.
03:23
So people will treat all sorts
of robots like they're alive.
of robots like they're alive.
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Tako da će ljudi tretirati
sve vrste robota kao da su živi.
sve vrste robota kao da su živi.
03:26
These bomb-disposal units get names.
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Ovi koji uklanjaju bombe dobijaju imena.
03:29
They get medals of honor.
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Dobijaju medalje časti.
03:31
They've had funerals for them
with gun salutes.
with gun salutes.
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Organizovane su im sahrane
uz počasnu paljbu.
uz počasnu paljbu.
03:34
And research shows that we do this
even with very simple household robots,
even with very simple household robots,
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Istraživanje pokazuje da radimo isto to
čak i sa prostim kućnim robotima,
čak i sa prostim kućnim robotima,
03:38
like the Roomba vacuum cleaner.
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kao što je usisivač Rumba.
03:40
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:41
It's just a disc that roams
around your floor to clean it,
around your floor to clean it,
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To je samo disk koji tumara
vašim podom i čisti ga,
vašim podom i čisti ga,
03:44
but just the fact it's moving
around on its own
around on its own
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ali sama činjenica da se sam kreće okolo
03:47
will cause people to name the Roomba
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navešće ljude da mu daju ime
03:49
and feel bad for the Roomba
when it gets stuck under the couch.
when it gets stuck under the couch.
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i da ga sažaljevaju
kad se zaglavi ispod kauča.
kad se zaglavi ispod kauča.
03:52
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
03:54
And we can design robots
specifically to evoke this response,
specifically to evoke this response,
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Možemo posebno dizajnirati robote
da izazovu ovu reakciju,
da izazovu ovu reakciju,
03:57
using eyes and faces or movements
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koristeći oči, lice ili pokrete
04:01
that people automatically,
subconsciously associate
subconsciously associate
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koje ljudi automatski, podsvesno povezuju
04:04
with states of mind.
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sa stanjem svesti.
Postoji čitava oblast istraživanja
zvana interakcija čoveka i robota
zvana interakcija čoveka i robota
04:06
And there's an entire body of research
called human-robot interaction
called human-robot interaction
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koja pokazuje kako ovo funkcioniše.
04:09
that really shows how well this works.
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04:11
So for example, researchers
at Stanford University found out
at Stanford University found out
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Na primer, istraživači
sa Stenforda su otkrili
sa Stenforda su otkrili
04:14
that it makes people really uncomfortable
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da je ljudima jako neprijatno
ako im tražite da dotaknu
intimne delove robota.
intimne delove robota.
04:16
when you ask them to touch
a robot's private parts.
a robot's private parts.
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04:19
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
04:21
So from this, but from many other studies,
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Iz ovog, ali i mnogih drugih istraživanja,
04:23
we know, we know that people
respond to the cues given to them
respond to the cues given to them
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znamo da ljudi reaguju na date signale
ovih čovekolikih mašina,
04:27
by these lifelike machines,
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04:29
even if they know that they're not real.
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iako znaju da nisu prave.
04:33
Now, we're headed towards a world
where robots are everywhere.
where robots are everywhere.
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Uskoro ćemo živeti u svetu
u kome su roboti svuda.
u kome su roboti svuda.
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Robotic technology is moving out
from behind factory walls.
from behind factory walls.
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Robotska tehnologija se širi
van fabričkih zidova.
van fabričkih zidova.
04:40
It's entering workplaces, households.
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Ulazi u poslovni svet, domaćinstva.
04:43
And as these machines that can sense
and make autonomous decisions and learn
and make autonomous decisions and learn
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Pošto ove mašine koje mogu da osećaju,
samostalno donose odluke i uče
samostalno donose odluke i uče
04:50
enter into these shared spaces,
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stupaju u zajednički prostor,
04:52
I think that maybe the best
analogy we have for this
analogy we have for this
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mislim da je najbolja analogija za ovo
04:55
is our relationship with animals.
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naša veza sa životinjama.
04:57
Thousands of years ago,
we started to domesticate animals,
we started to domesticate animals,
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Pre više hiljada godina,
počeli smo da pripitomljavamo životinje,
počeli smo da pripitomljavamo životinje,
05:01
and we trained them for work
and weaponry and companionship.
and weaponry and companionship.
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da ih dresiramo za rad,
oružje i drugarstvo.
oružje i drugarstvo.
05:05
And throughout history, we've treated
some animals like tools or like products,
some animals like tools or like products,
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Kroz istoriju, neke životinje
smo tretirali kao alate ili proizvode,
smo tretirali kao alate ili proizvode,
05:10
and other animals,
we've treated with kindness
we've treated with kindness
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a druge sa ljubaznošću
05:12
and we've given a place in society
as our companions.
as our companions.
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i pružili im mesto u društvu
kao našim drugarima.
kao našim drugarima.
05:15
I think it's plausible we might start
to integrate robots in similar ways.
to integrate robots in similar ways.
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Moguće je da ćemo verovatno početi
da integrišemo robote na sličan način.
da integrišemo robote na sličan način.
05:21
And sure, animals are alive.
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Naravno, životinje su žive.
05:24
Robots are not.
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Roboti nisu.
05:27
And I can tell you,
from working with roboticists,
from working with roboticists,
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Mogu vam reći, pošto sam
radila sa robotičarima,
radila sa robotičarima,
05:30
that we're pretty far away from developing
robots that can feel anything.
robots that can feel anything.
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da smo prilično daleko od stvaranja
robota koji mogu bilo šta da osete.
robota koji mogu bilo šta da osete.
05:35
But we feel for them,
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Ali mi saosećamo sa njima,
05:37
and that matters,
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i to je važno,
05:39
because if we're trying to integrate
robots into these shared spaces,
robots into these shared spaces,
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jer ako pokušavamo da integrišemo
robote u ove zajedničke prostore,
robote u ove zajedničke prostore,
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we need to understand that people will
treat them differently than other devices,
treat them differently than other devices,
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moramo razumeti da će ih ljudi
tretirati drugačije od ostalih uređaja,
tretirati drugačije od ostalih uređaja,
05:47
and that in some cases,
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a to u nekim slučajevima,
05:49
for example, the case of a soldier
who becomes emotionally attached
who becomes emotionally attached
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na primer, u slučaju vojnika
koji se emocionalno veže
koji se emocionalno veže
05:52
to the robot that they work with,
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za robota sa kojim radi,
05:54
that can be anything
from inefficient to dangerous.
from inefficient to dangerous.
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samo može da bude neefikasno i opasno.
05:58
But in other cases,
it can actually be useful
it can actually be useful
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U drugim slučajevima,
može čak biti i korisno
može čak biti i korisno
06:00
to foster this emotional
connection to robots.
connection to robots.
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negovanje ove emotivne veze sa robotima.
06:04
We're already seeing some great use cases,
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Već imamo sjajne načine korišćenja robota,
06:06
for example, robots working
with autistic children
with autistic children
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na primer, roboti koji rade
sa autističnom decom
sa autističnom decom
06:08
to engage them in ways
that we haven't seen previously,
that we haven't seen previously,
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kako bi ih aktivirali na nove načine,
06:12
or robots working with teachers to engage
kids in learning with new results.
kids in learning with new results.
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ili oni koji pomažu nastavnicima
da uključe decu u proces učenja
sa novim rezultatima.
sa novim rezultatima.
06:17
And it's not just for kids.
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I to nije samo za decu.
06:19
Early studies show that robots
can help doctors and patients
can help doctors and patients
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Rane studije pokazuju da roboti
mogu pomoći doktorima i pacijentima
mogu pomoći doktorima i pacijentima
06:22
in health care settings.
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u zdravstvenoj zaštiti.
06:25
This is the PARO baby seal robot.
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Ovo je robotska beba foke PARO.
06:27
It's used in nursing homes
and with dementia patients.
and with dementia patients.
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Koristi se u staračkim domovima
i sa dementnim pacijentima.
i sa dementnim pacijentima.
06:30
It's been around for a while.
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Koristi se već neko vreme.
06:32
And I remember, years ago,
being at a party
being at a party
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Sećam se da sam, pre dosta godina,
bila na nekoj žurci
bila na nekoj žurci
06:35
and telling someone about this robot,
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i pričala nekome o ovom robotu,
06:38
and her response was,
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a njen odgovor je bio:
06:40
"Oh my gosh.
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„Zaboga.
06:42
That's horrible.
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To je strašno,
06:45
I can't believe we're giving people
robots instead of human care."
robots instead of human care."
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Ne mogu da verujem da ljudima
umesto ljudske nege dajemo robote.“
umesto ljudske nege dajemo robote.“
06:50
And this is a really common response,
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Ovo je veoma česta reakcija,
06:52
and I think it's absolutely correct,
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i mislim da je potpuno ispravna,
06:54
because that would be terrible.
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jer bi to bilo strašno.
06:57
But in this case,
it's not what this robot replaces.
it's not what this robot replaces.
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Ali u ovom slučaju,
nije do toga šta robot zamenjuje.
nije do toga šta robot zamenjuje.
07:00
What this robot replaces is animal therapy
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Robot zamenjuje terapiju životinja
07:04
in contexts where
we can't use real animals
we can't use real animals
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u kontekstima u kojima ne možemo
koristiti prave životinje
koristiti prave životinje
07:07
but we can use robots,
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ali možemo robote,
07:08
because people will consistently treat
them more like an animal than a device.
them more like an animal than a device.
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jer će ih ljudi dosledno tretirati
više kao životinju nego kao uređaj.
više kao životinju nego kao uređaj.
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Acknowledging this emotional
connection to robots
connection to robots
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Prepozavanje ove emotivne veze sa robotima
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can also help us anticipate challenges
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može nam pomoći i da predvidimo izazove
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as these devices move into more intimate
areas of people's lives.
areas of people's lives.
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kako ovi uređaji ulaze
u intimnije sfere ljudskih života.
u intimnije sfere ljudskih života.
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For example, is it OK
if your child's teddy bear robot
if your child's teddy bear robot
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Na primer, je li u redu
ako robot meda vašeg deteta
ako robot meda vašeg deteta
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records private conversations?
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snima privatne razgovore?
Je li u redu ako vaš robot za seks ima
07:29
Is it OK if your sex robot
has compelling in-app purchases?
has compelling in-app purchases?
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primamljive ponude za kupovinu
u sastavu aplikacije?
u sastavu aplikacije?
07:33
(Laughter)
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07:35
Because robots plus capitalism
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Jer roboti plus kapitalizam
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equals questions around
consumer protection and privacy.
consumer protection and privacy.
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daju pitanja vezana
za zaštitu potrošača i privatnost.
za zaštitu potrošača i privatnost.
07:42
And those aren't the only reasons
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I to nisu jedini razlozi
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that our behavior around
these machines could matter.
these machines could matter.
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zbog kojih je naše ponašanje
sa ovim mašinama važno.
sa ovim mašinama važno.
07:48
A few years after that first
initial experience I had
initial experience I had
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Par godina nakon svog prvog iskustva
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with this baby dinosaur robot,
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sa robotom bebe dinosaurusa,
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I did a workshop
with my friend Hannes Gassert.
with my friend Hannes Gassert.
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imala sam radionicu
sa prijateljem Hanesom Gasertom.
sa prijateljem Hanesom Gasertom.
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And we took five
of these baby dinosaur robots
of these baby dinosaur robots
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Uzeli smo pet ovih robotskih
beba dinosaurusa
beba dinosaurusa
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and we gave them to five teams of people.
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i podelili ih ljudima u pet timova.
08:02
And we had them name them
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Tražili smo da im daju imena,
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and play with them and interact with them
for about an hour.
for about an hour.
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da se igraju i druže s njima
oko sat vremena.
oko sat vremena.
08:08
And then we unveiled
a hammer and a hatchet
a hammer and a hatchet
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Onda smo im dali čekić i sekiru
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and we told them to torture
and kill the robots.
and kill the robots.
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i rekli im da muče i ubiju robote.
08:13
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:16
And this turned out to be
a little more dramatic
a little more dramatic
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Ovo se ispostavilo malo dramatičnijim
nego što smo očekivali,
08:19
than we expected it to be,
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08:20
because none of the participants
would even so much as strike
would even so much as strike
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jer niko od učesnika
nije hteo čak ni da udari
nije hteo čak ni da udari
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these baby dinosaur robots,
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robote beba dinosaurusa,
08:24
so we had to improvise a little,
and at some point, we said,
and at some point, we said,
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pa smo morali malo da improvizujemo,
i u jednom momentu smo rekli:
i u jednom momentu smo rekli:
08:30
"OK, you can save your team's robot
if you destroy another team's robot."
if you destroy another team's robot."
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„Okej, možete spasiti robota svog tima
ako uništite robota drugog tima.“
ako uništite robota drugog tima.“
08:34
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
08:36
And even that didn't work.
They couldn't do it.
They couldn't do it.
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Čak ni to nije uspelo. Nisu mogli.
Na kraju smo rekli:
08:39
So finally, we said,
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"We're going to destroy all of the robots
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„Mi ćemo uništiti sve robote
ukoliko neko ne podigne sekiru na jednog.“
08:42
unless someone takes
a hatchet to one of them."
a hatchet to one of them."
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08:45
And this guy stood up,
and he took the hatchet,
and he took the hatchet,
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Jedan tip je ustao i podigao sekiru,
08:49
and the whole room winced
as he brought the hatchet down
as he brought the hatchet down
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i cela prostorija je drhtala
dok je spuštao sekiru
dok je spuštao sekiru
08:51
on the robot's neck,
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na robotov vrat,
08:53
and there was this half-joking,
half-serious moment of silence in the room
half-serious moment of silence in the room
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i onda se javio polusmešan,
poluozbiljan momenat tišine u prostoriji
poluozbiljan momenat tišine u prostoriji
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for this fallen robot.
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za palog robota.
09:01
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
09:03
So that was a really
interesting experience.
interesting experience.
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To je bilo baš zanimljivo iskustvo.
09:06
Now, it wasn't a controlled
study, obviously,
study, obviously,
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To očigledno nije bila
kontrolisana studija,
kontrolisana studija,
09:09
but it did lead to some
later research that I did at MIT
later research that I did at MIT
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ali je kasnije dovela do mog istraživanja
09:12
with Palash Nandy and Cynthia Breazeal,
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na MIT-u sa Palašem Nandijem
i Sintijom Brezil,
i Sintijom Brezil,
09:14
where we had people come into the lab
and smash these HEXBUGs
and smash these HEXBUGs
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kada su ljudi dolazili u laboratoriju
i uništavali robote HEXBUG
i uništavali robote HEXBUG
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that move around in a really
lifelike way, like insects.
lifelike way, like insects.
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koje se kreću kao da su živi, kao insekti.
09:21
So instead of choosing something cute
that people are drawn to,
that people are drawn to,
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Umesto da izaberemo nešto slatko
što privlači ljude,
što privlači ljude,
09:24
we chose something more basic,
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izabrali smo nešto prostije,
09:26
and what we found
was that high-empathy people
was that high-empathy people
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i saznali smo da ljudi
sa razvijenom empatijom
sa razvijenom empatijom
09:30
would hesitate more to hit the HEXBUGS.
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više oklevaju da udare robote HEXBUG.
09:33
Now this is just a little study,
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To je samo mala studija,
09:35
but it's part of a larger body of research
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ali je deo većeg istraživanja
09:37
that is starting to indicate
that there may be a connection
that there may be a connection
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koje počinje da pokazuje
da može postojati veza
da može postojati veza
09:40
between people's tendencies for empathy
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između sklonosti ljudi ka empatiji
09:42
and their behavior around robots.
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i njihovog ponašanja prema robotima.
09:45
But my question for the coming era
of human-robot interaction
of human-robot interaction
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Ali moje pitanje za buduću eru
interakcije između čoveka i robota
interakcije između čoveka i robota
09:49
is not: "Do we empathize with robots?"
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nije: „Da li saosećamo sa robotima?“
09:53
It's: "Can robots change
people's empathy?"
people's empathy?"
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Nego: „Da li roboti mogu promeniti
ljudsku empatiju?“
ljudsku empatiju?“
09:57
Is there reason to, for example,
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Da li postoji razlog da, na primer,
09:59
prevent your child
from kicking a robotic dog,
from kicking a robotic dog,
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branimo detetu da šutne psa robota,
10:03
not just out of respect for property,
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ne samo iz poštovanja prema vlasništvu,
10:06
but because the child might be
more likely to kick a real dog?
more likely to kick a real dog?
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već zato što je veća šansa
da će šutnuti pravog psa?
da će šutnuti pravog psa?
10:10
And again, it's not just kids.
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I opet, nisu u pitanju samo deca.
10:13
This is the violent video games question,
but it's on a completely new level
but it's on a completely new level
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Ovo je pitanje nasilnih video igrica,
ali na potpuno novom nivou
ali na potpuno novom nivou
10:17
because of this visceral physicality
that we respond more intensely to
that we respond more intensely to
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zbog te primarne fizikalnosti
na koju intenzivnije reagujemo
na koju intenzivnije reagujemo
10:22
than to images on a screen.
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nego na slike na ekranu.
10:25
When we behave violently towards robots,
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Kada se ponašamo nasilno prema robotima,
10:28
specifically robots
that are designed to mimic life,
that are designed to mimic life,
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posebno onima dizajniranim
da imitiraju živa bića,
da imitiraju živa bića,
10:31
is that a healthy outlet
for violent behavior
for violent behavior
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da li je to zdrav izduvni ventil
za nasilno ponašanje
za nasilno ponašanje
10:35
or is that training our cruelty muscles?
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ili tako treniramo mišiće za okrutnost?
10:39
We don't know ...
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Ne znamo...
10:42
But the answer to this question has
the potential to impact human behavior,
the potential to impact human behavior,
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Odgovor na ovo pitanje
može uticati na ljudsko ponašanje,
može uticati na ljudsko ponašanje,
10:46
it has the potential
to impact social norms,
to impact social norms,
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kao i na društvene norme,
10:49
it has the potential to inspire rules
around what we can and can't do
around what we can and can't do
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može uticati na pravila
o tome šta možemo a šta ne
o tome šta možemo a šta ne
10:53
with certain robots,
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sa određenim robotima,
10:54
similar to our animal cruelty laws.
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kao u zakonima o zlostavljanju životinja.
10:57
Because even if robots can't feel,
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Jer iako roboti ne mogu da osećaju,
11:00
our behavior towards them
might matter for us.
might matter for us.
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naše ponašanje prema njima
može biti važno za nas.
može biti važno za nas.
11:04
And regardless of whether
we end up changing our rules,
we end up changing our rules,
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Bez obzira na to da li ćemo na kraju
promeniti pravila,
promeniti pravila,
11:08
robots might be able to help us
come to a new understanding of ourselves.
come to a new understanding of ourselves.
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roboti mogu da nam pomognu
da bolje razumemo sami sebe.
da bolje razumemo sami sebe.
11:14
Most of what I've learned
over the past 10 years
over the past 10 years
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Većina onoga što sam naučila
u poslednjih 10 godina
u poslednjih 10 godina
11:16
has not been about technology at all.
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uopšte nema veze sa tehnologijom.
11:18
It's been about human psychology
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Nego o ljudskoj psihologiji, o empatiji
11:21
and empathy and how we relate to others.
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i o tome kako se odnosimo prema drugima.
11:25
Because when a child is kind to a Roomba,
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Jer kada je dete ljubazno prema Rumbi,
11:29
when a soldier tries to save
a robot on the battlefield,
a robot on the battlefield,
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kada vojnik pokuša da spase
robota na bojnom polju,
robota na bojnom polju,
11:33
or when a group of people refuses
to harm a robotic baby dinosaur,
to harm a robotic baby dinosaur,
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ili kada grupa ljudi odbije da povredi
robotsku bebu dinosaurusa,
robotsku bebu dinosaurusa,
11:38
those robots aren't just motors
and gears and algorithms.
and gears and algorithms.
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ti roboti nisu samo motori,
zupčanici i algoritmi.
zupčanici i algoritmi.
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They're reflections of our own humanity.
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Oni su odraz naše ljudskosti.
11:45
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
11:46
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Kate Darling - Robot ethicistKate Darling investigates the relationship between humans and robots -- now, and in the future.
Why you should listen
Robots are taking increasingly bigger roles in life and business -- moving well beyond manufacturing and into transportation, education, medicine, care for the elderly, our offices and our homes. But ethics and law haven't caught up. Kate Darling, a pioneer in these fields, is helping quicken the pace.
A leading expert in robot ethics, Darling is a researcher at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Media Lab where she investigates social robotics and conducts experimental studies on human-robot interaction. Darling explores the emotional connection between people and life-like inventions, seeking to influence technology design and policy direction. Her writing and research anticipate difficult questions that lawmakers, engineers and the wider public must address as human-robot relationships evolve in the coming decades.
While her background is in intellectual property and law and economics, Darling's passion for technology and robots led her to interdisciplinary fields. She's a former Fellow and current Affiliate at the Harvard Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society and a former fellow at the Yale Information Society Project, and she's an affiliate at the Institute for Ethics and Emerging Technologies.
Her work has been featured in Vogue, The New Yorker, The Guardian, BBC, NPR, PBS, The Boston Globe, Forbes, CBC, WIRED, Boston Magazine, The Atlantic, Slate, Die Zeit, The Japan Times and more. She is a contributing writer to Robohub and IEEE Spectrum and speaks and holds workshops covering some of the more interesting developments in the world of robotics, and where we might find ourselves in the future.
Darling graduated from law school with honors and holds a doctorate of sciences from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH Zurich) and an honorary doctorate of sciences from Middlebury College. In 2017, the American Bar Association honored her legal work with the Mark T. Banner award in Intellectual Property. She is the caretaker for several domestic robots, including her Pleos Yochai, Peter, and Mr. Spaghetti. She tweets as @grok_ about eating cheerios for dinner.
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