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Nadia Al-Sakkaf: See Yemen through my eyes
Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Vegin Yemen a través dels meus ulls
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Mentre continua l'agitació política al Iemen, l'editora del 'Yemen Times', Nadia Al-Sakkaf, parla a TEDGlobal amb la presentadora Pat Mitchell. El diari independent d'Al-Sakkaf, en anglès, és vital per l'intercanvi de notícies i per compartir una nova visió del Iemen i de les dones d'aquest país amb les mateixes condicions d'igualtat a la feina i davant el canvi.
Nadia Al-Sakkaf - Journalist
Nadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen. Full bio
Nadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen. Full bio
Double-click the English transcript below to play the video.
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Pat Mitchell: You have brought us images from the Yemen Times.
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Pat Mitchell: Ens has portat imatges del 'Yemen Times'.
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And take us through those,
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I mostren's aquestes,
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and introduce us to another Yemen.
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i presenten's a un altre Iemen.
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Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Well, I'm glad to be here.
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Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Bé, m'alegra estar aquí.
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And I would like to share with you all
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I m'agradaria compartir amb tots vosaltres
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some of the pictures that are happening today in Yemen.
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algunes de les imatges que estan donant lloc avui al Iemen.
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This picture shows a revolution
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Aquesta imatge mostra una revolució
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started by women,
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iniciada per dones.
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and it shows women and men
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I mostra dones i homes
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leading a mixed protest.
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dirigint una protesta mixta.
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The other picture
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L'atre imatge
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is the popularity of the real need for change.
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és la popularitat de la necessitat real de canvi.
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So many people are there.
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Hi ha tanta gent allí.
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The intensity of the upspring.
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La intensistat de l'alçament.
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This picture shows that the revolution
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Aquesta imatge mostra que la revolució
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has allowed opportunities for training,
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ha permès oportunitats de formació,
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for education.
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d'eduació.
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These women are learning about first aid
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Aquestes dones estan aprenent primers auxilis
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and their rights according to the constitution.
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i els seus drets segons la constitució.
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I love this picture.
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M'encanta aquesta imatge.
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I just wanted to show
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Només volia mostrar
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that over 60 percent of the Yemeni population
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que més del 60% de la població Iemenita
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are 15 years and below.
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tenen 15 anys o menys.
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And they were excluded from decision-making,
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I van ser exclosos de la presa de decisions,
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and now they are in the forefront of the news,
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i ara estan a primera plana en les notícies,
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raising the flag.
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alçant la bandera.
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English --
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En anglès,
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you will see, this is jeans
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veuen que això són texans,
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and tights,
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ajustats,
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and an English expression --
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i unes frases en anglès-
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the ability to share with the world
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la capacitat de compartir amb el món
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what is going on in our own country.
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el que està passant al nostre país.
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And expression also,
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I aquesta manifestació també
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it has brought talents.
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ha generat talents.
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Yemenis are using cartoons
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Els iemenites estan usant caricatures
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and art,
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i art,
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paintings, comics,
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pintures, còmics,
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to tell the world and each other
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per contar al món i als uns i als altres
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about what's going on.
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el que està passant.
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Obviously, there's always the dark side of it.
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És clar, sempre hi ha un cantó obscur.
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And this is just one of the less-gruesome pictures
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I aquesta és una de les imatges més horripilants
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of the revolution
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de la revolució
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and the cost that we have to pay.
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i el preu que hem de pagar.
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The solidarity
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La solidaritat
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of millions of Yemenis across the country
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de milions de iemenites a tot el país
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just demanding the one thing.
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només demanant una cosa.
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And finally, lots of people are saying
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I finalment, molta gent esta diguent
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that Yemen's revolution
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que la revolució del Iemen
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is going to break the country.
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fracturarà el país.
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Is it going to be so many different countries?
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Surgiràn molts més països?
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Is it going to be another Somalia?
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Sirà un altre Somalia?
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But we want to tell the world that, no,
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Però nosaltres volem dir al món que, no,
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under the one flag, we'll still remain as Yemeni people.
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baix una sola bandera, restarem com gent iemenita.
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PM: Thank you for those images, Nadia.
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PM: Gràcies per les imatges, Nadia.
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And they do, in many ways,
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I, en molts de sentits,
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tell a different story
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conten una història diferent
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than the story of Yemen,
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de l'história del Iemen,
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the one that is often in the news.
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la que sovint surt a les notícies.
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And yet, you yourself
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I així mateix, tu mateixa
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defy all those characterizations.
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desafies aquests estereotips.
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So let's talk about the personal story for a moment.
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Parlem de l'història personal per un moment.
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Your father is murdered.
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El teu pare és assessinat.
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The Yemen Times already has
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El 'Yemen Times' ja té
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a strong reputation in Yemen
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una forta reputació al Iemen
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as an independent English language newspaper.
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de ser un diari independent en anglès.
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How did you then
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¿Com és que llavors
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make the decision and assume the responsibilities
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prens la decisió d'assumir la responsabilitat
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of running a newspaper,
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de dirigir el diari,
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especially in such times of conflict?
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especialment durant aquest temps tan conflictiu?
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NA: Well, let me first warn you
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NA: Bé, primer deixin-me advertir
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that I'm not the traditional Yemeni girl.
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que no sóc la típica jove iemenita.
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I've guessed you've already noticed this by now.
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Suposo que ja s'han adonat d'això.
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(Laughter)
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(Riures)
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In Yemen, most women are veiled
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Al Iemen, la majoria de dones porten vel
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and they are sitting behind doors
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i estan assegudes al darrera de portes
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and not very much part of the public life.
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i no participen gaire en la vida pública.
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But there's so much potential.
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Però hi ha tant de potencial,
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I wish I could show you my Yemen.
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m'agradaria poder mostrar-lis el meu Iemen.
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I wish you could see
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m'agradaria que poguessin veure
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Yemen through my eyes.
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El Iemen a través dels meus ulls.
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Then you would know
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I llavors sabrien
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that there's so much to it.
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que hi ha molt més que allò.
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And I was privileged because I was born into a family,
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Vaig tenir el privilegi de nèixer a una família,
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my father would always encourage the boys and the girls.
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amb un pare que sempre va alentar tant als nois com les noies.
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He would say we are equal.
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Ell deia que erem iguals.
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And he was such an extraordinary man.
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I era un home tan extraordinari.
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And even my mother -- I owe it to my family.
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I inclús la meva mare - ho dec a la meva família -
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A story:
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una història.
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I studied in India.
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Vaig estudiar a l'India.
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And in my third year, I started becoming confused
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I en el tercer any, vaig començar a confundir-me
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because I was Yemeni,
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perquè era iemenita,
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but I was also mixing up
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però també m'estava barrejant
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with a lot of my friends in college.
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amb molts d'amics a l'escola.
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And I went back home and I said,
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I vaig tornar a casa diguent:
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"Daddy, I don't know who I am.
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"Papa, no sé qui sóc.
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I'm not a Yemeni; I'm not an Indian."
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No sóc iemenita, no sóc india."
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And he said, "You are the bridge."
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I ell em va dir: "Ets el pont."
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And that is something I will keep in my heart forever.
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I això és una cosa que guardaré al meu cor per sempre.
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So since then I've been the bridge,
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Així que des de llavors he set el pont,
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and a lot of people have walked over me.
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i molta gent m'ha passat per sobre.
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PM: I don't think so. (Laughter)
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PM: No ho crec.
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NA: But it just helps tell
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NA: Però serveix per contar
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that some people are change agents
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que alguna gent és portadora de canvis
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in the society.
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a la societat.
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And when I became editor-in-chief
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I quan vaig convertir-me el cap de redacció
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after my brother actually --
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de fet, succeint al meu germà -
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my father passed away in 1999,
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el meu pare va morir al 1999,
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and then my brother until 2005 --
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i el meu germà al 2005 -
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and everybody was betting that I will not be able to do it.
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i tothom apostava a que jo no seria capaç de fer-ho.
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"What's this young girl coming in and showing off
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"¿Què ve a fer aquesta jove ostentant
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because it's her family business," or something.
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només perque és el negoci de família?", or alguna cosa així.
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It was very hard at first.
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Va ser molt difícil al començament.
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I didn't want to clash with people.
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No volia entrar en conflicte amb ningú.
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But with all due respect
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Però amb tots els respectes
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to all the men, and the older men especially,
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a tots els homes, i els més grans en especial,
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they did not want me around.
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no em volien allí.
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It was very hard, you know,
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Va ser molt difícil, saben,
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to impose my authority.
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imposar la meva autoritat
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But a woman's got to do what a woman's got to do.
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Però una dona ha de fer el que una dona ha de fer.
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(Applause)
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(Aplaudiment)
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And in the first year,
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I durant el primer any,
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I had to fire half of the men.
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vaig haver de despatxar la meitad dels homes.
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(Laughter)
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(Riures)
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(Applause)
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(Aplaudiment)
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Brought in more women.
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Vaig incorporar més dones
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Brought in younger men.
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i homes més joves.
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And we have a more gender-balanced newsroom today.
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I avui tenim una sala de redacció més equilibrada en questió de gènere.
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The other thing is that it's about professionalism.
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Un altre tema és el professionalisme.
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It's about proving who you are and what you can do.
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És tracta de demostrar qui ets i que pots fer.
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And I don't know if I'm going to be boasting now,
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I no sé si vaig a pecar de superba ara,
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but in 2006 alone,
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però només al 2006.
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we won three international awards.
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varem guanyar tres premis internacionals.
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One of them is the IPI
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Un d'ells és el IPI
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Free Media Pioneer Award.
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Premi Pioner dels Medis Lliures
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So that was the answer
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Així que aquella va ser la resposta
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to all the Yemeni people.
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per a tota la gent iemenita.
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And I want to score a point here,
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I vull anotar un punt aquí
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because my husband is in the room over there.
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perque el meu marit està aquí a la sala, allí.
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If you could please stand up, [unclear].
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Aixeca't si us plau,
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He has been very supportive of me.
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Ell m'ha donat molt de suport.
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(Applause)
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(Aplaudiment)
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PM: And we should point out
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PM: Hi hauriem de recalcar
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that he works with you as well at the paper.
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que també treballa amb tu al diari.
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But in assuming this responsibility
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Però assumint aquesta responsabilitat
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and going about it as you have,
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i de la manera que ho has fet,
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you have become a bridge
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t'has convertit en el pont
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between an older and traditional society
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entre la societat antiga tradicinal
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and the one that you are now creating at the paper.
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i la que ara estàs creant al diari.
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And so along with changing who worked there,
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I al mateix temps que canviaves el personal,
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you must have come up against another positioning
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et vas haver d'enfrentar a un altre tema
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that we always run into, in particular with women,
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amb el qual sempre ens hi topem les dones, sobre tot,
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and it has to do with outside image,
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i té a veure amb l'imatge exterior,
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dress, the veiled woman.
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el vestuari, la dona amb vel.
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So how have you dealt with this
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¿Com has manejat això
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on a personal level
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a nivell personal
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as well as the women who worked for you?
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i amb les dones que treballen amb tu?
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NA: As you know,
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NA: Com ja saben,
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the image of a lot of Yemeni women is a lot of black
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la imatge de moltes dones iemenites és de molt de negre
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and covered, veiled women.
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i cobertes amb vel.
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And this is true.
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I això és veritat.
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And a lot of it is
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I en gran part es deu
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because women are not able, are not free,
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a que les dones no poden, no són lliures,
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to show their face to their self.
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de mostrar-se el seu propi rostre.
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It's a lot of traditional imposing
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Hi ha una gran imposició de la tradició
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coming by authority figures
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provenent de la figura d'autoritat
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such as the men, the grandparents and so on.
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com la dels homes, els avis i de més.
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And it's economic empowerment
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I és el poder econòmic
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and the ability for a woman to say,
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i la capacitat d'una dona de dir:
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"I am as much contributing to this family, or more,
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"Jo contribueixo a aquesta família tant o més
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than you are."
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que tu".
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And the more empowered the women become,
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I quant més poder adquireixen les dones,
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the more they are able to remove the veil, for example,
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més probable és que puguin llevar-se el vel, per exemple,
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or to drive their own car
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o conduir el seu propi cotxe
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or to have a job or to be able to travel.
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o tenir una feina o poder viatjar.
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So the other face of Yemen
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Així que l'altre cara de Iemen
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is actually one
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en realitat és una
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that lies behind the veil,
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que roman al darrera dels vels.
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and it's economic empowerment mostly
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I és principalment el poder econòmic
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that allows the woman to just uncover it.
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que permet a la dona descobrir-se.
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And I have done this throughout my work.
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I he procurat això a través de la meva feina.
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I've tried to encourage young girls.
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He intentat animar a les joves.
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We started with, you can take it off in the office.
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Varem començar amb, "t'ho pots treure a l'oficina".
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And then after that, you can take it off on assignments.
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I després d'allò, "t'ho pots treure a entrevistes".
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Because I didn't believe a journalist can be a journalist with --
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Perquè no crec que una periodista pugui ser-ho amb -
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how can you talk to people if you have your face covered? --
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com pots parlar amb la gent si tens el rostre cobert? -
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and so on; it's just a movement.
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i així successivament; és un moviment.
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And I am a role model in Yemen.
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I jo sóc un exemple a seguir al Iemen.
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A lot of people look up to me.
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Molta gent m'admira.
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A lot of young girls look up to me.
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Moltes joves m'admiren.
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And I need to prove to them that, yes, you can still be married,
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I necessito demostrar-lis que, sí, pots estar casada,
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you can still be a mother,
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pots ser mare,
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and you can still be respected within the society,
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i pots ser respectada dins la societat,
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but at the same time,
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però a la vegada,
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that doesn't mean you [should] just be one of the crowd.
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això no significa que hagis de ser una més entre la multitud.
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You can be yourself and have your face.
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Pots ser tu mateixa i tenir un rostre.
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PM: But by putting yourself personally out there --
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PM: Però al posar-te allí fora -
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both projecting a different image
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a la vegada que projectant una imatge diferent
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of Yemeni women,
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de les dones iemenites,
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but also what you have made possible
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també el que has fet possible
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for the women who work at the paper --
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per les dones que traballen amb tu al diari -
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has this put you in personal danger?
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T'ha posat això en perill personal?
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NA: Well the Yemen Times, across 20 years,
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NA: Bé, 'The Yemen Times', al llarg de 20 anys,
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has been through so much.
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ha passat per tant.
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We've suffered prosecution;
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Hem patit persecució;
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the paper was closed down more than three times.
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el diari va ser clausurat més de tres vegades.
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It's an independent newspaper,
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És un diari independent,
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but tell that to the people in charge.
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però diguin-li això a la gent que està al càrrec.
08:50
They think that if there's anything against them,
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Pensen que si es diu res que vagi en contra seva,
08:53
then we are being an opposition newspaper.
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llavors estem sent un diari de l'oposició.
08:57
And very, very difficult times.
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I hem passat per temps molt difícils.
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Some of my reporters were arrested.
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Alguns dels meus reporters varen ser arrestats.
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We had some court cases.
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Hem tengut casos judicials.
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My father was assassinated.
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El meu pare va ser assessinat.
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Today, we are in a much better situation.
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Avui estem a una situació més favorable.
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We've created the credibility.
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Hem creat la credibilitat.
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And in times of revolution or change like today,
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I en temps de revolució o canvi, com avui en dia,
09:14
it is very important for independent media to have a voice.
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és molt important que la premsa independent tingui veu.
09:18
It's very important
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És molt important
09:20
for you to go to YemenTimes.com,
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que vagin a YemenTimes.com,
09:22
and it's very important
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i és molt important
09:24
to listen to our voice.
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que escoltin la nostra veu.
09:27
And this is probably something
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I probablement això sigui
09:29
I'm going to share with you
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el que comparteixi amb vosatres
09:31
in Western media probably --
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a la premsa occidental -
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and how there's a lot of stereotypes --
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com existeixen molts d'estereotips -
09:37
thinking of Yemen in one single frame:
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pensant en el Iemen dins un sol marc:
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this is what Yemen is all about.
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això és Iemen.
09:43
And that's not fair.
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I no és just.
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It's not fair for me; it's not fair for my country.
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No és just per a mi, ni és just pel meu país.
09:47
A lot of reporters come to Yemen
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Molts de reporters venen al Iemen
09:49
and they want to write a story on Al-Qaeda or terrorism.
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i volen escriure una història sobre Al-Qaeda o el terrorisme.
09:52
And I just wanted to share with you:
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I jo només volia compartir amb vosaltres
09:56
there's one reporter that came.
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que hi ha un reporter que va venir,
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He wanted to do a documentary
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volia fer un documental
10:00
on what his editors wanted.
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sobre el que demanaven els seus editors.
10:04
And he ended up writing about a story that even surprised me --
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I va acabar escrivint una història que em va sorprendre fins i tot a mi -
10:07
hip hop --
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sobre el hip hop -
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that there are young Yemeni men
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que hi ha joves iemenites
10:12
who express themselves
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que s'expressen
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through dancing and puchu puchu.
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a través de la dança i el "puchu puchu"
10:17
(Laughter)
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(Riures)
10:19
That thing. (PM: Rap. Break dancing.)
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Ja saben, allò. (PM: el Rap, 'Break dancing')
10:22
Yeah, break dancing.
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Sí, 'Break dancing'.
10:24
I'm not so old.
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No sóc tan vella.
10:27
I'm just not in touch.
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Només que no estic molt per aquest tema.
10:29
(Laughter)
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(Riures)
10:31
(Applause)
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(Aplaudiment)
10:34
PM: Yes, you are.
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PM: Si que ho estàs.
10:36
Actually, that's a documentary
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De fet, és un documental
10:38
that's available online; the video's online.
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que es pot veure a internet; el vídeo està a internet.
10:41
NA: ShaketheDust.org.
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NA: Shakethedust.org.
10:43
PM: "Shake the Dust." (NA: "Shake the Dust.")
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PM: 'Shake the dust'. (NA: 'Shake the Dust'.)
10:46
PM: ShaketheDust.org.
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PM: Shakethedust.org.
10:48
And it definitely does give a different image of Yemen.
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I definitivament dóna una imatge diferent del Iemen.
10:51
You spoke about the responsibility of the press.
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Has parlat de la responsabilitat de la premsa.
10:54
And certainly, when we look
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I, sobre tot quan observem
10:57
at the ways in which we have separated ourselves from others
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les diferents maneres per les quals ens hem separat dels altres
11:00
and we've created fear
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i hem generat por
11:02
and danger,
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i perill,
11:04
often from lack of knowledge,
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sovint degut a la falta de coneixament,
11:06
lack of real understanding,
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a la falta d'entendiment,
11:08
how do you see
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¿Com veus
11:10
the way that the Western press in particular
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la forma en la que la premsa occidental, en particular,
11:13
is covering this and all other stories out of the region,
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cobreix això i totes les altres històries a la teva regió,
11:16
but in particular, in your country?
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però en particular al teu país?
11:18
NA: Well there is a saying that says,
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NA: Bé, hi una dita que diu que,
11:21
"You fear what you don't know,
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"Temeixes el que desconeixes,
11:23
and you hate what you fear."
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i odies el que temeixes".
11:26
So it's about the lack of research, basically.
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Així que és la falta de recerca, bàsicament.
11:29
It's almost, "Do your homework," --
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És quasi com: "Fes la teva feina" -
11:32
some involvement.
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és prendre una part activa.
11:34
And you cannot do parachute reporting --
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I no pots fer periodisme de paracaigudisme -
11:37
just jump into a country for two days
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saltar a un país per un parell de dies
11:40
and think that you've done your homework and a story.
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i creure't que ja has fet la teva feina i narrat una història.
11:43
So I wish
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Així que m'agaradaria
11:45
that the world would know my Yemen,
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que el món conegués el meu Iemen,
11:47
my country, my people.
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el meu país, la meva gent.
11:50
I am an example, and there are others like me.
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Jo sóc un exemple, i n'hi ha més com jo.
11:53
We may not be that many,
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Potser no som molts,
11:55
but if we are promoted
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però si ens promocionen
11:57
as a good, positive example,
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com un bon exemple positiu,
12:00
there will be others -- men and women --
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n'hi haurà més- homes i dones -
12:03
who can eventually bridge the gap --
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qui algun dia faran de pont
12:06
again, coming to the bridge --
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un altre cop, tornem al tema del pont -
12:08
between Yemen and the world
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entre el Iemen i el món,
12:10
and telling first
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i parlant primer
12:12
about recognition
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de reconeixament
12:14
and then about communication
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i després de comunicació
12:16
and compassion.
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i compassió.
12:19
I think Yemen is going to be
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Jo crec que el Iemen estirà
12:21
in a very bad situation
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en molt mala situació
12:24
in the next two or three years.
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pels pròxims dos o tres anys.
12:26
It's natural.
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És natural.
12:28
But after the two years, which is a price we are willing to pay,
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Però passats aquests anys, que és el preu que estem disposats a pagar,
12:31
we are going to stand up again on our feet,
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ens anem a recuperar,
12:34
but in the new Yemen
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però a un Iemen
12:36
with a younger and more empowered people --
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amb gent més jove i amb més poder
12:39
democratic.
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democràtic.
12:41
(Applause)
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(Aplaudiment)
12:49
PM: Nadia, I think you've just given us
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PM: Nadia, crec que ens has donat
12:51
a very different view of Yemen.
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una visió molt diferent del Iemen.
12:54
And certainly you yourself and what you do
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I per descomptat, tu i el que tu fas
12:57
have given us a view of the future
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ens ha donat una visió d'un futur
13:00
that we will embrace
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al qual ens aferrarem
13:03
and be grateful for.
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i pel qual estirem agraïts
13:05
And the very best of luck to you.
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I moltíssima sort.
13:07
YemenTimes.com.
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YemenTimes.com.
13:10
NA: On Twitter also.
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NA: També estem al Twitter.
13:13
PM: So you are plugged in.
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PM: Veig que si que estàs conectada.
13:15
(Applause)
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(Aplaudiment)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Nadia Al-Sakkaf - JournalistNadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen.
Why you should listen
Nadia Al-Sakkaf became the chief editor of the Yemen Times, the country's first and most widely read independent English-language newspaper, in March 2005, and quickly became a leading voice in Yemen and worldwide media on issues of media, gender, development and politics. During the May 2011 leadership crisis in Yemen, Al-Sakkaf and her organization were vital in reporting the news and putting the political situation in context for the wider world. And as the crisis rolls on, the role of an independent press becomes even more vital. The Yemen Times has reporters on the ground in Sana'a, Taiz, Aden and Hodeida covering the uprising.
Under Al-Sakkaf's leadership, the Yemen Times has also created several publications -- especially those for the advocacy of women’s participation in politics, such as Breaking the Stereotype, a book on Yemeni women's experience as political candidates in elections.
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