TEDGlobal 2011
Nadia Al-Sakkaf: See Yemen through my eyes
Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Pogledajte Jemen mojim očima
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Kako se politički nemiri nastavljaju, urednica Yemen Times-a, Nadia Al-Sakkaf, govori na TEDGlobal-u s domaćicom Pat Mitchell. Al-Sakkafine nezavisne novine na engleskom jeziku su ključne za širenje vijesti -- i za dijeljenje nove vizije Jemena te za prihvaćanje žena iz te zemlje kao jednakopravnih partnera u radu i promjenama.
Nadia Al-Sakkaf - Journalist
Nadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen. Full bio
Nadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen. Full bio
Double-click the English transcript below to play the video.
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Pat Mitchell: You have brought us images from the Yemen Times.
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Pat Mitchell: Donijeli ste nam slike iz Yemen Times-a.
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And take us through those,
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I provedite nas kroz njih,
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and introduce us to another Yemen.
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i upoznajte nas s drugim Jemenom.
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Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Well, I'm glad to be here.
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Nadia Al-Sakkaf: Drago mi je što sam ovdje.
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And I would like to share with you all
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I voljela bih podijeliti sa svima vama
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some of the pictures that are happening today in Yemen.
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neke od slika koje se događaju u današnjem Jemenu.
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This picture shows a revolution
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Ova slika prikazuje revoluciju
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started by women,
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koju su započele žene.
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and it shows women and men
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I pokazuje muškarce i žene
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leading a mixed protest.
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kako vode mješovite prosvjede.
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The other picture
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Druga slika
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is the popularity of the real need for change.
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prikazuje popularnost stvarne potrebe za promjenama.
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So many people are there.
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Toliko puno ljudi je tamo.
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The intensity of the upspring.
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Intenzitet ustanka.
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This picture shows that the revolution
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Ova slika prikazuje kako je revolucija
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has allowed opportunities for training,
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pružila mogućnost za usavršavanje,
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for education.
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za obrazovanje.
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These women are learning about first aid
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Ove žene uče o prvoj pomoći
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and their rights according to the constitution.
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i o svojim pravima u skladu s ustavom.
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I love this picture.
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Volim ovu sliku.
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I just wanted to show
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Samo sam željela pokazati
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that over 60 percent of the Yemeni population
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kako je preko 60 posto jemenskog stanovništva
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are 15 years and below.
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mlađe od 15 godina.
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And they were excluded from decision-making,
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I nisu bili uključeni u proces donošenja odluka,
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and now they are in the forefront of the news,
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a sada su u prvom planu u vijestima,
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raising the flag.
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podižu zastavu.
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English --
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Engleski --
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you will see, this is jeans
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vidjeti ćete, to su traperice
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and tights,
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i tajice,
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and an English expression --
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i engleski izraz --
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the ability to share with the world
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sposobnost dijeljenja sa svijetom
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what is going on in our own country.
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onoga što se događa u vašoj zemlji.
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And expression also,
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I izraz je također
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it has brought talents.
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donio talente.
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Yemenis are using cartoons
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Jemenci koriste crtiće
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and art,
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i umjetnost,
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paintings, comics,
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slike, stripove,
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to tell the world and each other
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kako bi rekli svijetu i jedni drugima
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about what's going on.
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o tome što se događa.
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Obviously, there's always the dark side of it.
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Očito, uvijek postoji tamna strana toga.
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And this is just one of the less-gruesome pictures
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I ovo je samo jedna od manje odvratnih slika
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of the revolution
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revolucije
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and the cost that we have to pay.
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i cijene koju moramo platiti.
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The solidarity
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Solidarnost
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of millions of Yemenis across the country
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milijuna Jemenaca širom zemlje
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just demanding the one thing.
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koji zahtjevaju samo jednu stvar.
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And finally, lots of people are saying
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I na kraju, puno ljudi kaže
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that Yemen's revolution
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kako će jemenska revolucija
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is going to break the country.
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slomiti zemlju.
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Is it going to be so many different countries?
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Hoće li biti kao u mnogim drugim zemljama?
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Is it going to be another Somalia?
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Hoće li to biti druga Somalija?
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But we want to tell the world that, no,
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Ali mi želimo reći svijetu, ne,
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under the one flag, we'll still remain as Yemeni people.
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pod jednom zastavom, mi smo i dalje Jemenci.
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PM: Thank you for those images, Nadia.
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PM: Hvala ti za ove slike, Nadia.
02:25
And they do, in many ways,
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I one na mnogo načina
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tell a different story
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pričaju drugačiju priču
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than the story of Yemen,
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od priče o Jemenu,
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the one that is often in the news.
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one koja je često u vijestima.
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And yet, you yourself
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I opet, ti sama
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defy all those characterizations.
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pobijaš sve te stereotipe.
02:37
So let's talk about the personal story for a moment.
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Pa, popričajmo malo o osobnoj priči na trenutak.
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Your father is murdered.
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Tvoj otac je ubijen.
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The Yemen Times already has
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Yemen Times već ima
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a strong reputation in Yemen
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jaku reputaciju u Jemenu
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as an independent English language newspaper.
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kao nezavisan list na engleskom jeziku.
02:53
How did you then
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Kako si onda
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make the decision and assume the responsibilities
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odlučila i preuzeti odgovornost
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of running a newspaper,
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da vodiš jedne novine,
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especially in such times of conflict?
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posebno u vrijeme sukoba?
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NA: Well, let me first warn you
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NA: Pa, prvo da vas upozorim
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that I'm not the traditional Yemeni girl.
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kako ja nisam tradicionalna djevojka iz Jemena.
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I've guessed you've already noticed this by now.
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Pretpostavljam kako ste već primjetili.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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In Yemen, most women are veiled
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U Jemenu, većina žena je pod velom
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and they are sitting behind doors
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i sjede iza vrata
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and not very much part of the public life.
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i ne predstavljaju veliki dio društvenog života.
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But there's so much potential.
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Ali ima toliko potencijala.
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I wish I could show you my Yemen.
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Voljela bih kada bih vam mogla pokazati svoj Jemen.
03:23
I wish you could see
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Željela bih da možete vidjeti
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Yemen through my eyes.
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Jemen kroz moje oči.
03:27
Then you would know
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Onda biste znali
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that there's so much to it.
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kako postoji toliko toga za napraviti.
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And I was privileged because I was born into a family,
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A ja sam privilegirana jer sam rođena u obitelji,
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my father would always encourage the boys and the girls.
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moj otac je uvijek poticao dječake i djevojčice.
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He would say we are equal.
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On bi rekao da smo jednaki.
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And he was such an extraordinary man.
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A on je bio izuzetan čovjek.
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And even my mother -- I owe it to my family.
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Čak i moja majka -- dugujem to svojoj obitelji --
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A story:
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priča.
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I studied in India.
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Studirala sam u Indiji.
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And in my third year, I started becoming confused
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I na mojoj trećoj godini, postala sam zbunjena
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because I was Yemeni,
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jer sam bila Jemenka,
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but I was also mixing up
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ali sam također imala
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with a lot of my friends in college.
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puno prijatelja na fakultetu.
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And I went back home and I said,
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Vratila sam se kući i rekla,
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"Daddy, I don't know who I am.
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"Tata, ne znam tko sam.
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I'm not a Yemeni; I'm not an Indian."
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Nisam Jemenka, nisam Indijka".
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And he said, "You are the bridge."
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A on je rekao, "Ti si most".
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And that is something I will keep in my heart forever.
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I to ću zauvijek čuvati u srcu.
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So since then I've been the bridge,
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I od tada, ja sam most,
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and a lot of people have walked over me.
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i puno je ljudi prešlo preko njega.
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PM: I don't think so. (Laughter)
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PM: Ne bih rekla.
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NA: But it just helps tell
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NA: Ali pomaže kada se kaže
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that some people are change agents
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kako neki ljudi utječu na promjene
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in the society.
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u društvu.
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And when I became editor-in-chief
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I kada sam postala glavna urednica
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after my brother actually --
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poslije mog brata, zapravo --
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my father passed away in 1999,
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moj otac je preminuo 1999.
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and then my brother until 2005 --
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a onda i moj brat 2005. --
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and everybody was betting that I will not be able to do it.
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i svi su se kladili kako neću uspjeti.
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"What's this young girl coming in and showing off
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"Zbog čega ova mlada djevojka dolazi i pravi se važna
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because it's her family business," or something.
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jer je to njen obiteljski posao", ili nešto slično.
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It was very hard at first.
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Bilo je jako teško isprva.
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I didn't want to clash with people.
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Nisam se htjela sukobljavati s ljudima.
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But with all due respect
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Ali uz svo dužno poštovanje
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to all the men, and the older men especially,
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svim muškarcima, a posebno starijim muškarcima,
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they did not want me around.
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oni me nisu htjeli u blizini.
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It was very hard, you know,
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Bilo je jako teško, znate,
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to impose my authority.
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nametnuti moj autoritet.
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But a woman's got to do what a woman's got to do.
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Ali žena mora učiniti ono što mora učiniti.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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And in the first year,
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I u prvoj godini,
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I had to fire half of the men.
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morala sam otpustiti polovicu muškaraca.
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(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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Brought in more women.
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Uključiti još žena.
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Brought in younger men.
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Uključiti mlađe muškarce.
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And we have a more gender-balanced newsroom today.
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I tako danas imamo izbalansiraniju redakciju.
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The other thing is that it's about professionalism.
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Druga stvar je da se ovdje radi o profesionalizmu.
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It's about proving who you are and what you can do.
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Rdai se o tome da pokažeš tko si i što možeš napraviti.
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And I don't know if I'm going to be boasting now,
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I ne znam hoću li se hvaliti sada
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but in 2006 alone,
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ali samo u 2006. godini
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we won three international awards.
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osvojili smo tri međunarodne nagrade.
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One of them is the IPI
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Jedna od njih je "IPI",
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Free Media Pioneer Award.
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Nagradu za pionira slobodnih medija.
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So that was the answer
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Tako da je to bio odgovor
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to all the Yemeni people.
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svim Jemencima.
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And I want to score a point here,
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I želim osvojiti bod ovdje,
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because my husband is in the room over there.
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jer moj se muž nalazi u dvorani ovdje.
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If you could please stand up, [unclear].
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Ako se molim te možeš ustati, [nejasno].
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He has been very supportive of me.
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Bio mi je velika podrška.
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(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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PM: And we should point out
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PM: I morali bismo naglasiti
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that he works with you as well at the paper.
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kako radi zajedno s tobom na novinama.
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But in assuming this responsibility
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Ali kada treba preuzeti odgovornost
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and going about it as you have,
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i iskoristiti je kao ti,
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you have become a bridge
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postala si most
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between an older and traditional society
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između starijeg i tradicionalnijeg društva
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and the one that you are now creating at the paper.
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i onog koje upravo stvaraš novinama.
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And so along with changing who worked there,
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Uz promjene zaposlenika,
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you must have come up against another positioning
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sigurno si naišla na još jednu sliku
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that we always run into, in particular with women,
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na koju uvijek naletimo, posebno kada su u pitanju žene,
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and it has to do with outside image,
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a ima veze s vanjskom slikom,
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dress, the veiled woman.
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odjećom, žene pod velom.
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So how have you dealt with this
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Kako si se borila s time
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on a personal level
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na osobnoj razini
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as well as the women who worked for you?
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a kako žene koje su radile za tebe?
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NA: As you know,
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NA: Kao što znate,
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the image of a lot of Yemeni women is a lot of black
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slika o jemenskim ženama je slika jako crnih
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and covered, veiled women.
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i velom prekrivenih žena.
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And this is true.
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I to je istina.
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And a lot of it is
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I puno toga je
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because women are not able, are not free,
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zbog toga što žene nisu u mogućnosti, nisu slobodne,
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to show their face to their self.
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pokazati svoja lica samima sebi.
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It's a lot of traditional imposing
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Puno je tradicionalnog nametanja
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coming by authority figures
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koje dolazi od autoriteta
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such as the men, the grandparents and so on.
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poput muškaraca, djedova i baka i tako dalje.
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And it's economic empowerment
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A to je i ekonomsko osnaživanje
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and the ability for a woman to say,
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i mogućnost za žene da kaže,
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"I am as much contributing to this family, or more,
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"Ja doprinosim ovoj obitelji jednaki, ili više,
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than you are."
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nego ti".
07:16
And the more empowered the women become,
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I što žene postaju sve snažnije,
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the more they are able to remove the veil, for example,
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to će biti više u mogućnosti da skinu veo, na primjer,
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or to drive their own car
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ili da voze vlastiti auto
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or to have a job or to be able to travel.
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ili da imaju posao ili da mogu putovati.
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So the other face of Yemen
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Tako da je drugo lice Jemena
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is actually one
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zapravo ono
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that lies behind the veil,
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koje se nalazi iza vela.
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and it's economic empowerment mostly
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I zapravo je ekonomska samostalnost
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that allows the woman to just uncover it.
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ono što ženama omogućuje da ga maknu.
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And I have done this throughout my work.
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I ja to radim kroz cijeli svoj rad.
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I've tried to encourage young girls.
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Pokušavam ohrabriti mlade djevojke.
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We started with, you can take it off in the office.
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Počeli smo s time da ga mogu skinuti u uredima.
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And then after that, you can take it off on assignments.
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A nakon toga, mogu ga skinuti na zadacima.
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Because I didn't believe a journalist can be a journalist with --
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Nisam vjerovala da novinar može biti novinar s --
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how can you talk to people if you have your face covered? --
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kako ćeš pričati s ljudima ako ti je lice pokriveno? --
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and so on; it's just a movement.
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i tako dalje; to je samo pokret.
07:59
And I am a role model in Yemen.
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I ja sam primjer u Jemenu.
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A lot of people look up to me.
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Puno ljudi se ugleda na mene.
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A lot of young girls look up to me.
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I puno mladih djevojaka se ugleda na mene.
08:05
And I need to prove to them that, yes, you can still be married,
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I ja im moram dokazati, točno, možete biti udane,
08:07
you can still be a mother,
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možete biti majke,
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and you can still be respected within the society,
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i još vas uvijek mogu cijenit u društvu,
08:11
but at the same time,
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ali u isto vrijeme,
08:13
that doesn't mean you [should] just be one of the crowd.
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to ne znači kako biste trebale biti jedna u gomili.
08:16
You can be yourself and have your face.
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Možeš biti ti i imati svoje lice.
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PM: But by putting yourself personally out there --
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PM: Ali to što se osobno pokazuješ --
08:23
both projecting a different image
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i daješ drugačiju sliku
08:25
of Yemeni women,
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jemenskih žena,
08:27
but also what you have made possible
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ali i onoga što si učinila mogućim
08:29
for the women who work at the paper --
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za žene koje rade za novine --
08:32
has this put you in personal danger?
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je li te to osobno dovelo u opasnost?
08:36
NA: Well the Yemen Times, across 20 years,
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NA: Pa, Yemen Times je tijekom 20 godina,
08:39
has been through so much.
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prošao kroz mnogo toga.
08:41
We've suffered prosecution;
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Bili smo proganjani;
08:43
the paper was closed down more than three times.
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novine su zatvarali više od tri puta.
08:45
It's an independent newspaper,
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To su nezavisne novine,
08:48
but tell that to the people in charge.
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ali recite to onima koji donose odluke.
08:50
They think that if there's anything against them,
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Misle da ako ima bilo čega protiv njih,
08:53
then we are being an opposition newspaper.
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onda smo novine opozicije.
08:57
And very, very difficult times.
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I jako, jako teško vrijeme.
09:00
Some of my reporters were arrested.
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Neki moji reporteri su bili hapšeni.
09:02
We had some court cases.
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Bili smo na nekim suđenjima.
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My father was assassinated.
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Moj otac je ubijen.
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Today, we are in a much better situation.
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Danas je situacija bitno bolja.
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We've created the credibility.
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Stvorili smo kredibilitet.
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And in times of revolution or change like today,
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I u vrijeme revolucija ili promjena kao danas,
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it is very important for independent media to have a voice.
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jako je važno da nezavisni mediji imaju svoj glas.
09:18
It's very important
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Jako je važno
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for you to go to YemenTimes.com,
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da odete na yementimes.com,
09:22
and it's very important
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i jako je važno
09:24
to listen to our voice.
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da slušate naš glas.
09:27
And this is probably something
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I to je vjerojatno nešto
09:29
I'm going to share with you
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što ću podijeliti s vama
09:31
in Western media probably --
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u zapadnim medijima, vjerojatno --
09:33
and how there's a lot of stereotypes --
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kako ima puno stereotipa --
09:37
thinking of Yemen in one single frame:
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kad se razmišlja o Jemenu kao jednom okviru:
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this is what Yemen is all about.
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ovo je Jemen.
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And that's not fair.
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I to nije fer.
09:45
It's not fair for me; it's not fair for my country.
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Nije fer za mene, ni za moju zemlju.
09:47
A lot of reporters come to Yemen
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Puno reportera dolazi u Jemen
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and they want to write a story on Al-Qaeda or terrorism.
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i oni žele pisati o Al-Qaeda-i ili terorizmu.
09:52
And I just wanted to share with you:
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I samo želim s vama podijeliti:
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there's one reporter that came.
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bio je jedan novinar koji je došao.
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He wanted to do a documentary
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Htio je napraviti dokumentarac
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on what his editors wanted.
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o nečemu što su njegovi urednici htjeli.
10:04
And he ended up writing about a story that even surprised me --
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A na kraju je pisao o priči koja je čak i mene iznenadila --
10:07
hip hop --
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hip hop --
10:09
that there are young Yemeni men
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da ima mladih Jemenaca
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who express themselves
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koji se izražavaju
10:14
through dancing and puchu puchu.
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kroz ples i "punchu punchu".
10:17
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:19
That thing. (PM: Rap. Break dancing.)
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Ono. (PM: Rap, breakdance.)
10:22
Yeah, break dancing.
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Da, breakdance.
10:24
I'm not so old.
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Nisam baš toliko stara.
10:27
I'm just not in touch.
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Samo nisam u tijeku.
10:29
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:31
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
10:34
PM: Yes, you are.
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PM: Jesi, jesi.
10:36
Actually, that's a documentary
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Zapravo, taj dokumentarac
10:38
that's available online; the video's online.
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je dostupan putem interneta, postoji video.
10:41
NA: ShaketheDust.org.
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NA: ShaketheDust.org.
10:43
PM: "Shake the Dust." (NA: "Shake the Dust.")
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PM: "Prodrmaj prašinu". (NA: "Promrdaj prašinu".)
10:46
PM: ShaketheDust.org.
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PM: ShaketheDust.org.
10:48
And it definitely does give a different image of Yemen.
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I sasvim sigurno pruža drugačiju sliku Jemena.
10:51
You spoke about the responsibility of the press.
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Govorila si o odgovornosti tiska.
10:54
And certainly, when we look
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I sigurno, kada pogledamo
10:57
at the ways in which we have separated ourselves from others
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načine na koje smo se odvojili od drugih
11:00
and we've created fear
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i stvorili strah
11:02
and danger,
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i opasnost,
11:04
often from lack of knowledge,
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često zbog nedovoljno znanja,
11:06
lack of real understanding,
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nedostatka pravog razumjevanja,
11:08
how do you see
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kako ti se čini
11:10
the way that the Western press in particular
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način na koji, zapadni tisak posebno,
11:13
is covering this and all other stories out of the region,
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pokriva ovu i sve ostale priče iz regije,
11:16
but in particular, in your country?
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ali posebno, iz tvoje zemlje?
11:18
NA: Well there is a saying that says,
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NA: Postoji izreka koja kaže,
11:21
"You fear what you don't know,
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Plašite se onoga što ne poznajete
11:23
and you hate what you fear."
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i mrzite ono čega se bojite".
11:26
So it's about the lack of research, basically.
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Radi se zapravo o nedostatku istraživanja.
11:29
It's almost, "Do your homework," --
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Skoro kao "napravi domaću zadaću", --
11:32
some involvement.
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malo uključivanja.
11:34
And you cannot do parachute reporting --
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I ne možete padobranski izvještavati --
11:37
just jump into a country for two days
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skočiti u zemlju na dva dana
11:40
and think that you've done your homework and a story.
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i misliti kako ste napravili domaću zadaću i priču.
11:43
So I wish
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Tako želim
11:45
that the world would know my Yemen,
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da svijet upozna moj Jemen,
11:47
my country, my people.
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moju zemlju, moje ljude.
11:50
I am an example, and there are others like me.
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Ja sam primjer, i postoje drugi poput mene.
11:53
We may not be that many,
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Možda nas nema toliko puno,
11:55
but if we are promoted
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ali ako nas se promovira
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as a good, positive example,
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kao dobre, pozitivne primjere,
12:00
there will be others -- men and women --
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doći će drugi -- muškarci i žene --
12:03
who can eventually bridge the gap --
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koji će na kraju premostiti jaz --
12:06
again, coming to the bridge --
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opet, kada smo kod mosta --
12:08
between Yemen and the world
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između Jemena i svijeta
12:10
and telling first
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i govoreći prvo
12:12
about recognition
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o pepoznavanju
12:14
and then about communication
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i onda o komunikaciji
12:16
and compassion.
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i suosjećanju.
12:19
I think Yemen is going to be
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Mislim kako će Jemenci biti
12:21
in a very bad situation
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u lošem položaju
12:24
in the next two or three years.
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u slijedeće dvije-tri godine.
12:26
It's natural.
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To je prirodno.
12:28
But after the two years, which is a price we are willing to pay,
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Ali poslije te dvije godine, a to je cijena koju smo spremni platiti,
12:31
we are going to stand up again on our feet,
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stati ćemo ponovno na noge,
12:34
but in the new Yemen
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ali u novom Jemenu
12:36
with a younger and more empowered people --
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s mlađim i snažnijim ljudima --
12:39
democratic.
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demokratskim.
12:41
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
12:49
PM: Nadia, I think you've just given us
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PM: Nadia, mislim da si nam upravo dala
12:51
a very different view of Yemen.
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bitno drugačiju sliku Jemena.
12:54
And certainly you yourself and what you do
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I sasvim sigurno, ti sama i ono što radiš
12:57
have given us a view of the future
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su nam dali pogled na budućnost
13:00
that we will embrace
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koju ćemo prigrliti
13:03
and be grateful for.
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i biti zahvalni.
13:05
And the very best of luck to you.
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I puno sreće ti želim.
13:07
YemenTimes.com.
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YemenTimes.com.
13:10
NA: On Twitter also.
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NA: I na Twitteru također.
13:13
PM: So you are plugged in.
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PM: Dakle uključeni ste.
13:15
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Nadia Al-Sakkaf - JournalistNadia Al-Sakkaf is the editor-in-chief of the Yemen Times, the most widely read English-language newspaper in Yemen.
Why you should listen
Nadia Al-Sakkaf became the chief editor of the Yemen Times, the country's first and most widely read independent English-language newspaper, in March 2005, and quickly became a leading voice in Yemen and worldwide media on issues of media, gender, development and politics. During the May 2011 leadership crisis in Yemen, Al-Sakkaf and her organization were vital in reporting the news and putting the political situation in context for the wider world. And as the crisis rolls on, the role of an independent press becomes even more vital. The Yemen Times has reporters on the ground in Sana'a, Taiz, Aden and Hodeida covering the uprising.
Under Al-Sakkaf's leadership, the Yemen Times has also created several publications -- especially those for the advocacy of women’s participation in politics, such as Breaking the Stereotype, a book on Yemeni women's experience as political candidates in elections.
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