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Christopher Soghoian: How to avoid surveillance ... with the phone in your pocket
Christopher Soghoian: Kako izbjeći nadzor... koristeći vaš telefon u džepu
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Tko sluša vaše telefonske pozive? Na fiksnom telefonu, to može biti bilo tko, kaže aktivist za privatnost Christopher Sogholan, jer su opcije za nadzor ugrađene u telefonski sustav, kako bi dozvolile vladi da sluša. Ali opet, to isto mogu koristiti i strane službe... ili kriminalac. A to je razlog zbog kojeg se, kaže Sogholan, neke tehnološke tvrtke odupiru vladinom pozivu da ugrade te iste točke pristupa na mobilnim telefonima i novim sustavima za razmjenu poruka. Naučite kako se neke tvrtke trude zadržati vaše pozive i poruke privatnima.
Christopher Soghoian - Privacy researcher and activist
Christopher Soghoian researches and exposes the high-tech surveillance tools that governments use to spy on their own citizens, and he is a champion of digital privacy rights. Full bio
Christopher Soghoian researches and exposes the high-tech surveillance tools that governments use to spy on their own citizens, and he is a champion of digital privacy rights. Full bio
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For more than 100 years,
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Više od stotinu godina,
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the telephone companies have provided
wiretapping assistance to governments.
wiretapping assistance to governments.
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telefonske tvrtke su pružale
usluge prisluškivanja vladama.
usluge prisluškivanja vladama.
00:19
For much of this time,
this assistance was manual.
this assistance was manual.
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Većinu tog vremena,
ta pomoć bila je ručna.
ta pomoć bila je ručna.
00:22
Surveillance took place manually
and wires were connected by hand.
and wires were connected by hand.
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Nadzor je provođen ručno,
i žice su spajane rukom.
i žice su spajane rukom.
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Calls were recorded to tape.
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Pozivi su se snimali na vrpcu.
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But as in so many other industries,
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Ali kao i u mnogim drugim industrijama,
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computing has changed everything.
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računarstvo je promijenilo sve.
00:33
The telephone companies
built surveillance features
built surveillance features
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Telefonske tvrtke ugradile su opcije nadzora
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into the very core of their networks.
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u samu srž svojih mreža.
00:39
I want that to sink in for a second:
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Želim da ovo upijete na sekundu.
00:41
Our telephones and the networks
that carry our calls
that carry our calls
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Naši telefoni i mreže
koje nose naše pozive
koje nose naše pozive
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were wired for surveillance first.
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su prvo uređene za prisluškivanje.
00:48
First and foremost.
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Prvo i najvažnije.
00:50
So what that means is that
when you're talking to your spouse,
when you're talking to your spouse,
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To znači da kada pričate sa supružnikom,
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your children, a colleague
or your doctor on the telephone,
or your doctor on the telephone,
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vašom djecom, kolegama
ili liječnikom preko telefona,
ili liječnikom preko telefona,
00:58
someone could be listening.
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netko bi mogao slušati.
01:00
Now, that someone might
be your own government;
be your own government;
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Sad, taj netko može biti vaša vlada,
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it could also be another government,
a foreign intelligence service,
a foreign intelligence service,
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ali i druga vlada, strana tajna služba,
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or a hacker, or a criminal, or a stalker
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ili haker, ili kriminalac,
ili netko tko vas uhodi
ili netko tko vas uhodi
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or any other party that breaks into
the surveillance system,
the surveillance system,
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ili bilo tko drugi
tko provali u sustav nadziranja,
tko provali u sustav nadziranja,
01:14
that hacks into the surveillance system
of the telephone companies.
of the telephone companies.
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tko provali u sustav nadziranja
telefonskih tvrtki.
telefonskih tvrtki.
01:19
But while the telephone companies
have built surveillance as a priority,
have built surveillance as a priority,
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Ali dok su telefonske kompanije
izgradile sustav nadzora kao prioritet,
izgradile sustav nadzora kao prioritet,
01:24
Silicon Valley companies have not.
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tvrtke Silicijske doline nisu.
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And increasingly,
over the last couple years,
over the last couple years,
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I učestalo u posljednjih par godina,
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Silicon Valley companies have built
strong encryption technology
strong encryption technology
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tvrtke iz Silicijske doline izgradile su
snažnu enkripcijsku tehnologiju
snažnu enkripcijsku tehnologiju
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into their communications products
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u svoje komunikacijske tehnologije
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that makes surveillance
extremely difficult.
extremely difficult.
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što nadzor čini ekstremno teškim.
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For example, many of you
might have an iPhone,
might have an iPhone,
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Na primjer, mnogi od vas imaju iPhone,
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and if you use an iPhone
to send a text message
to send a text message
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i ako ga koristite da biste poslali
tekstualne poruke
tekstualne poruke
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to other people who have an iPhone,
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drugim ljudima koji imaju iPhone,
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those text messages
cannot easily be wiretapped.
cannot easily be wiretapped.
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te poruke ne mogu biti lako nadzirane.
01:47
And in fact, according to Apple,
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I zapravo, Apple tvrdi,
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they're not able to even see
the text messages themselves.
the text messages themselves.
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da oni sami uopće ne mogu vidjeti poruke.
01:52
Likewise, if you use FaceTime
to make an audio call
to make an audio call
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Također, ako koristite FaceTime
da biste ostvarili audio poziv
da biste ostvarili audio poziv
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or a video call with one of your
friends or loved ones,
friends or loved ones,
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ili video poziv sa nekim
od prijatelja ilji voljenih,
od prijatelja ilji voljenih,
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that, too, cannot be easily wiretapped.
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to također ne može biti
jednostavno nadzirano.
jednostavno nadzirano.
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And it's not just Apple.
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I ne radi se samo o Appleu.
02:03
WhatsApp, which is now owned by Facebook
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WhatsApp, koji je sada
u vlasništvu Facebooka
u vlasništvu Facebooka
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and used by hundreds of millions
of people around the world,
of people around the world,
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i koriste ga stotine milijuna ljudi
diljem svijeta,
diljem svijeta,
02:08
also has built strong
encryption technology into its product,
encryption technology into its product,
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također je ugradio snažnu enkripcijsku
tehnologiju u svoj proizvod,
tehnologiju u svoj proizvod,
02:12
which means that people
in the Global South can easily communicate
in the Global South can easily communicate
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što znači da ljudi na Globalnom Jugu
mogu komunicirati
mogu komunicirati
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without their governments,
often authoritarian,
often authoritarian,
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bez da njihova vlada, ponekad autoritarna,
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wiretapping their text messages.
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prisluškuje njihove poruke.
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So, after 100 years of being able
to listen to any telephone call --
to listen to any telephone call --
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Dakle, nakon 100 godina što su
mogli prisluškivati telefonske pozive
mogli prisluškivati telefonske pozive
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anytime, anywhere --
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bilo kada, bilo gdje,
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you might imagine that government
officials are not very happy.
officials are not very happy.
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možete zamisliti da vladini dužnosnici
nisu bili najsretniji.
nisu bili najsretniji.
02:32
And in fact, that's what's happening.
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I zapravo, to se događa.
02:34
Government officials are extremely mad.
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Vladini dužnosnici su ljuti.
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And they're not mad because
these encryption tools are now available.
these encryption tools are now available.
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I nisu ljuti što ti enkripcijski alati
postoje.
postoje.
02:40
What upsets them the most
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Najviše ih smeta
02:42
is that the tech companies have built
encryption features into their products
encryption features into their products
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što su tehnološke kompanije ugradile
enkripciju u svoje proizvode
enkripciju u svoje proizvode
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and turned them on by default.
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i uključile ju.
02:48
It's the default piece that matters.
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To što je uključena prilikom
kupnje je najvažnije.
kupnje je najvažnije.
02:50
In short, the tech companies
have democratized encryption.
have democratized encryption.
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Ukratko, enkripcija je demokratizirana
od strane tehnoloških kompanija.
od strane tehnoloških kompanija.
02:55
And so, government officials
like British Prime Minister David Cameron,
like British Prime Minister David Cameron,
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Tako da vladini dužnosnici,
kao britanski premijer David Cameron
kao britanski premijer David Cameron
02:58
they believe that all communications --
emails, texts, voice calls --
emails, texts, voice calls --
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smatraju da sva komunikacija
-- e-mailovi, poruke, pozivi --
-- e-mailovi, poruke, pozivi --
03:03
all of these should be
available to governments,
available to governments,
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sve to treba biti dostupno vladi,
03:06
and encryption is making that difficult.
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a enkripcija to otežava.
03:09
Now, look -- I'm extremely sympathetic
to their point of view.
to their point of view.
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Sad, pogledajte -- suosjećam
s njihovim stajalištem.
s njihovim stajalištem.
03:12
We live in a dangerous time
in a dangerous world,
in a dangerous world,
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Živimo u opasno vrijeme
u opasnom svijetu,
u opasnom svijetu,
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and there really are bad people out there.
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i tamo postoje strašno loši ljudi.
03:17
There are terrorists and other
serious national security threats
serious national security threats
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Postoje teroristi i druge prijetnje
nacionalnoj sigurnosti
nacionalnoj sigurnosti
03:20
that I suspect we all want
the FBI and the NSA to monitor.
the FBI and the NSA to monitor.
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za koje pretpostavljam da svi želimo
da NSA i FBI nadziru.
da NSA i FBI nadziru.
03:25
But those surveillance
features come at a cost.
features come at a cost.
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Ali te opcije nadzora imaju cijenu.
03:29
The reason for that is
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Razlog za to je
03:30
that there is no such thing
as a terrorist laptop,
as a terrorist laptop,
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da ne postoji nešto
kao teroristički laptop,
kao teroristički laptop,
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or a drug dealer's cell phone.
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ili mobitel dilera droge.
03:34
We all use the same
communications devices.
communications devices.
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Svi koristimo iste uređaje za komunikaciju.
03:38
What that means is that
if the drug dealers' telephone calls
if the drug dealers' telephone calls
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To znači da ukoliko se pozivi
dilera droge
dilera droge
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or the terrorists' telephone calls
can be intercepted,
can be intercepted,
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ili terorista mogu nadzirati,
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then so can the rest of ours, too.
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onda se mogu i naši, također.
03:46
And I think we really need to ask:
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I onda mislim da moramo pitati:
03:48
Should a billion people
around the world be using devices
around the world be using devices
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Treba li milijardu ljudi širom svijeta
koristiti uređaje
koristiti uređaje
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that are wiretap friendly?
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koji će se moći prisluškivati?
03:55
So the scenario of hacking of surveillance
systems that I've described --
systems that I've described --
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Dakle, scenarij hakiranja sustava
za nadziranje koji sam opisao --
za nadziranje koji sam opisao --
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this is not imaginary.
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to nije izmišljeno.
04:01
In 2009,
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2009.
04:02
the surveillance systems that Google
and Microsoft built into their networks --
and Microsoft built into their networks --
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sustav za nazdor koje su Google
i Microsoft ugradili u svoje mreže --
i Microsoft ugradili u svoje mreže --
04:06
the systems that they use to respond
to lawful surveillance requests
to lawful surveillance requests
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sustavi koji se koriste
za zakonite zahtjeve za nadzorom
za zakonite zahtjeve za nadzorom
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from the police --
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od strane policije --
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those systems were compromised
by the Chinese government,
by the Chinese government,
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ti sustavi su komprimitirani
od strane kineske vlade,
od strane kineske vlade,
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because the Chinese government
wanted to figure out
wanted to figure out
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jer je kineska vlada htjela utvrditi
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which of their own agents
the US government was monitoring.
the US government was monitoring.
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koje njene agente
je nadzirala američka vlada.
je nadzirala američka vlada.
04:20
By the same token,
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Na isti način,
04:21
in 2004, the surveillance system
built into the network
built into the network
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2004., sustavi nadzora ugrađeni u mrežu
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of Vodafone Greece --
Greece's largest telephone company --
Greece's largest telephone company --
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Vodafona Grčka --
najveće telefonske tvrtke u Grčkoj --
najveće telefonske tvrtke u Grčkoj --
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was compromised by an unknown entity,
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komprimitiran je od nepoznatog entiteta,
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and that feature,
the surveillance feature,
the surveillance feature,
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i ta opcija, opcija za nadzor,
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was used to wiretap
the Greek Prime Minister
the Greek Prime Minister
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korištena je za prisluškivanje
grčkog premijera
grčkog premijera
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and members of the Greek cabinet.
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i članova grčkog kabineta.
04:37
The foreign government or hackers
who did that were never caught.
who did that were never caught.
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Strana vlada ili hakeri
koji su to napravili nikad nisu uhvaćeni.
koji su to napravili nikad nisu uhvaćeni.
04:41
And really, this gets to the very problem
with these surveillance features,
with these surveillance features,
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I zapravo, ovo je srž problema
s ovim opcijama za nadzor,
s ovim opcijama za nadzor,
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or backdoors.
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ili stražnjim vratima.
04:46
When you build a backdoor
into a communications network
into a communications network
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Kada izgradite stražnja vrata
u sustav za komunikaciju
u sustav za komunikaciju
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or piece of technology,
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ili komad tehnologije,
04:51
you have no way of controlling
who's going to go through it.
who's going to go through it.
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nemate nikakav način za kontrolu
toga tko kroz njih prolazi.
toga tko kroz njih prolazi.
04:55
You have no way of controlling
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Nemate način kontroliranja
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whether it'll be used by your side
or the other side,
or the other side,
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da li će se koristiti
s vaše ili tuđe strane,
s vaše ili tuđe strane,
04:59
by good guys, or by bad guys.
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od strane dobrih ili loših.
05:01
And so for that reason,
I think that it's better
I think that it's better
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I zato, iz tog razloga, mislim da je bolje
05:04
to build networks
to be as secure as possible.
to be as secure as possible.
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graditi mreže koje su najsigurnije moguće.
05:08
Yes, this means that in the future,
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Da, ovo znači da ćemo u budućnosti,
05:10
encryption is going to make
wiretapping more difficult.
wiretapping more difficult.
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enkriciju koristiti da otežamo
prisluškivanje.
prisluškivanje.
05:13
It means that the police
are going to have a tougher time
are going to have a tougher time
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To znači da će policiji biti teže hvatati
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catching bad guys.
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loše tipove.
05:17
But the alternative would mean
to live in a world
to live in a world
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Ali alternativa bi značila
da živimo u svijetu
da živimo u svijetu
05:19
where anyone's calls or anyone's
text messages could be surveilled
text messages could be surveilled
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gdje bilo čiji pozivi ili poruke
mogu biti nadzirani
mogu biti nadzirani
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by criminals, by stalkers
and by foreign intelligence agencies.
and by foreign intelligence agencies.
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od strane kriminalaca, uhoda
i stranih službi nadzora.
i stranih službi nadzora.
05:27
And I don't want to live
in that kind of world.
in that kind of world.
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I ja ne želim živjeti u tom svijetu.
05:30
And so right now,
you probably have the tools
you probably have the tools
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I sada, sigurno imate alate
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to thwart many kinds
of government surveillance
of government surveillance
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da se oduprete nadzoru vlade
05:35
already on your phones
and already in your pockets,
and already in your pockets,
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na vašim telefonima i u vašim džepovima,
05:38
you just might not realize how strong
and how secure those tools are,
and how secure those tools are,
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samo možda niste svjesni koliko su
sigurni i snažni ti alati,
sigurni i snažni ti alati,
05:41
or how weak the other ways
you've used to communicate really are.
you've used to communicate really are.
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ili kako su zapravo slabi drugi načini
komunikacije.
komunikacije.
05:46
And so, my message to you is this:
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I zato, moja poruka vama je ova:
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We need to use these tools.
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Trebamo koristiti te alate.
05:52
We need to secure our telephone calls.
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Moramo osigurati svoje pozive.
05:54
We need to secure our text messages.
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Moramo osigurati naše poruke.
05:56
I want you to use these tools.
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Želim da koristite te alate.
05:58
I want you to tell your loved ones,
I want you to tell your colleagues:
I want you to tell your colleagues:
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Želim da kažete svojim bližnjima.
Želim da kažete svojim kolegama.
Želim da kažete svojim kolegama.
06:02
Use these encrypted communications tools.
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Koristite ove alate
za enkripciju komunikacije.
za enkripciju komunikacije.
06:04
Don't just use them
because they're cheap and easy,
because they're cheap and easy,
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Ne koristite ih samo zato što su
povoljni i laki,
povoljni i laki,
06:07
but use them because they're secure.
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nego ih koristite jer su sigurni.
06:09
Thank you.
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Hvala vam.
06:10
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Christopher Soghoian - Privacy researcher and activistChristopher Soghoian researches and exposes the high-tech surveillance tools that governments use to spy on their own citizens, and he is a champion of digital privacy rights.
Why you should listen
TED Fellow Christopher Soghoian is a champion of digital privacy rights, with a focus on the role that third-party service providers play in enabling governments to monitor citizens. As the principal technologist at the American Civil Liberties Union, he explores the intersection of federal surveillance and citizen's rights.
Before joining the ACLU, he was the first-ever technologist for the Federal Trade Commision's Division of Privacy and Identity Protection, where he worked on investigations of Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and Netflix. Soghoian is also the creator of Do Not Track, an anti-tracking device that all major web browsers now use, and his work has been cited in court.
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