ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Clifford Stoll - Astronomer, educator, skeptic
Astronomer Clifford Stoll helped to capture a notorious KGB hacker back in the infancy of the Internet. His agile mind continues to lead him down new paths -- from education and techno-skepticism to the making of zero-volume bottles.

Why you should listen

When Clifford Stoll speaks, you can't help but listen. Full of restless energy, he jumps from one topic to the next, darting back and forth across the stage. You may not be sure where he's going, but the ride is always part of the adventure.

An astronomer (though his astronomy career took a turn when he noticed a bookkeeping error that ultimately led him to track down a notorious hacker), researcher and internationally recognized computer security expert -- who happens to be a vocal critic of technology -- Stoll makes a sharp, witty case for keeping computers out of the classroom. Currently teaching college-level physics to eighth graders at a local school, he stays busy in his spare time building Klein bottles.

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Clifford Stoll: The call to learn

Clifford Stoll o ... vsem

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Clifford Stoll prevzame občinstvo, ko ga polije z divjim, energičnim tušem anekdot, opazovanj -- in celo z znanstvenim poizkusom. Konec koncev je, po njegovi lastni definiciji, znanstvenik: "Ko enkrat nekaj naredim, želim početi nekaj drugega."
- Astronomer, educator, skeptic
Astronomer Clifford Stoll helped to capture a notorious KGB hacker back in the infancy of the Internet. His agile mind continues to lead him down new paths -- from education and techno-skepticism to the making of zero-volume bottles. Full bio

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I'm delightedvesel to be here.
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Presrečen sem, da sem tu.
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I'm honoredpočaščen by the invitationvabilo, and thankshvala.
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Počaščen sem, da sem bil povabljen, hvala.
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I would love to talk about stuffstvari that I'm interestedzainteresirani in,
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Zelo rad bi govoril o stvareh, ki me zanimajo,
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but unfortunatelyna žalost, I suspectsumite that what I'm interestedzainteresirani in
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amapak sumim, da stvari, ki me zanimajo,
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won'tne bo interestinteres manyveliko other people.
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ne zanimajo mnogo drugih.
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First off, my badgeznačko sayspravi I'm an astronomerastronom.
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Najprej, moja priponka pravi, da sem astronom.
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I would love to talk about my astronomyastronomija,
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Zelo rad bi govoril o astronomiji,
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but I suspectsumite that the numberštevilka of people who are interestedzainteresirani in radiativesevalne transferprenos
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ampak predvidevam, da je število ljudi, ki jih zanima sevanje
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in non-gray-siva atmospheresatmosfere
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v ne-sivih atmosferah
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and polarizationpolarizacija of lightsvetloba in Jupiter'sJupiter upperzgornji atmosphereatmosfero
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in polarizacija svetlobe v Jupitrovi gornji atmosferi
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are the numberštevilka of people who'dkdo bi fitfit in a busavtobus shelterzavetje.
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enako številu ljudi, ki jih spraviš pod nadstrešek na postajališču.
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So I'm not going to talk about that.
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Zato ne bom govoril o tem.
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(LaughterSmeh)
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(Smeh)
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It would be just as much funzabavno
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Prav tako bi bilo zabavno
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to talk about some stuffstvari that happenedse je zgodilo in 1986 and 1987,
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govoriti o nekaterih zadevah, ki so se zgodile leta 1986 in 1987,
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when a computerračunalnik hackerindijska volovska zaprega is breakingzlom into our systemssistemov
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ko so računalniški hekerji vlomili v naše sisteme
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over at LawrenceLawrence BerkeleyBerkeley LabsLabs.
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v Lawrence Berkeley Laboratoriju.
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And I caughtujet the guys,
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In sem jih ujel
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and they turnedobrnjen out to be workingdelo for what was then the SovietSovjetski KGBKGB,
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in se je izkazalo da so delali za, kar je bil takrat, sovjetski KGB,
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and stealingtatvina informationinformacije and sellingprodajo it.
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in kradli informacije in jih prodajali.
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And I'd love to talk about that -- and it'dto bi be funzabavno --
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In zelo rad bi govoril o tem -- in bilo bi zabavno --
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but, 20 yearslet laterpozneje ...
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ampak, 20 let kasneje …
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I find computerračunalnik securityvarnost, franklyodkrito, to be kindvrste of boringdolgočasno.
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se mi zdi varnost računalniških sistemov, iskreno povedano, nekako dolgočasna.
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It's tediousdolgočasno.
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Utrujujoča je
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I'm --
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Sem --
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The first time you do something, it's scienceznanost.
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Prvič ko nekaj narediš, je znanost.
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The seconddrugič time, it's engineeringinženiring.
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Drugič je inženirstvo.
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A thirdtretjino time, it's just beingbiti a techniciantehnik.
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Tretjič je samo tehnično delo.
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I'm a scientistznanstvenik. OnceEnkrat I do something, I do something elsedrugače.
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Jaz sem znanstvenik. Ko neko zadevo enkrat naredim, grem delat nekaj drugega.
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So, I'm not going to talk about that.
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Zato ne bom govoril o tem.
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NorNiti am I going to talk about what I think are obviousočitno statementsizjave from my first bookknjigo,
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Ne bom govoril niti o tem, kar mislim, da so očitne izjave z moje prve knjige
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"SiliconSilicij SnakeKača OilOlje," or my seconddrugič bookknjigo,
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Silicon Snake Oil, ali moje druge knjige,
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norniti am I going to talk about
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niti ne bom govoril o tem
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why I believe computersračunalniki don't belongpripadajo in schoolsšole.
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zakaj mislim, da računalniki ne sodijo v šolo.
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I feel that there's a massiveogromno and bizarrebizarno ideaideja going around
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Čutim, da je prisotna velika in čudna ideja o tem,
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that we have to bringprinesi more computersračunalniki into schoolsšole.
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da bi morali v šole pripeljati več računalnikov.
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My ideaideja is: no! No!
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Moje mnenje je: Ne! Ne!
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Get them out of schoolsšole, and keep them out of schoolsšole.
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Spravite jih ven iz šol in jih pustite zunaj.
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And I'd love to talk about this,
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In rad bi govoril o tem,
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but I think the argumentprepir is so obviousočitno to anyonekdorkoli who'skdo je hungvisi around a fourthčetrti graderazred classroomučilnica
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ampak mislim da je ta izjava tako očitna komurkoli, ki je bil v razredu četrtošolcev,
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that it doesn't need much talkinggovoriti about --
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da ne potrebuje dodatnega govorjenja --
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but I guessugibati I maylahko be very wrongnarobe about that,
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ampak mogoče se zelo motim o tem,
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and everything elsedrugače that I've said.
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in vsem drugem, kar sem povedal.
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So don't go back and readpreberite my dissertationdisertacija.
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Tako da ne hodite nazaj brat moje dizertacije.
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It probablyverjetno has lieslaži in it as well.
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Verjetno prav tako vsebuje laži.
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HavingOb said that, I outlinedopisano my talk about fivepet minutesminut agonazaj.
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Ko sem že povedal vse to, svoj govor sem sestavil pred petimi minutami.
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(LaughterSmeh)
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(Smeh)
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And if you look at it over here,
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In če pogledate sem,
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the mainglavni thing I wrotenapisal on my thumbpalec was the futureprihodnost.
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glavna stvar, ki sem jo napisal na moj palec, je prihodnost.
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I'm supposeddomnevno to talk about the futureprihodnost, yes?
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Govoril naj bi o prihodnosti, kajne?
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Oh, right. And my feelingobčutek is, askingsprašujem me to talk about the futureprihodnost is bizarrebizarno,
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Oh, ja. In moj občutek je, prositi mene, da govorim o prihodnosti, je čudno,
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because I've got graysiva hairlasje,
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ker imam sive lase,
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and so, it's kindvrste of sillyneumno for me to talk about the futureprihodnost.
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in je malce nesmiselno, da bi jaz govoril o prihodnosti.
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In factdejstvo, I think that if you really want to know what the future'sprihodnost je going to be,
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Pravzaprav mislim, da če bi res radi vedeli, kaj bo prinesla prihodnost,
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if you really want to know about the futureprihodnost,
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če bi res radi vedeli o prihodnosti,
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don't askvprašajte a technologisttehnolog, a scientistznanstvenik, a physicistfizik.
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ne sprašujte tehnologa, znanstvenika, fizika.
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No! Don't askvprašajte somebodynekdo who'skdo je writingpisanje codeKoda.
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Ne! Ne sprašujte nekoga, ki piše računalniško kodo.
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No, if you want to know what society'sdružbe going to be like in 20 yearslet,
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Ne, če bi radi vedeli kakšna bo družba čez 20 let,
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askvprašajte a kindergartenvrtec teacheručitelj.
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vprašajte vzgojitelje v vrtcu.
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They know.
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Oni vedo.
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In factdejstvo, don't askvprašajte just any kindergartenvrtec teacheručitelj,
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Pravzaprav, ne vprašajte kateregakoli vzgojitelja,
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askvprašajte an experiencedizkušeni one.
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vprašajte izkušenega.
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They're the onestiste who know what societydružbo is going to be like in anotherdrugo generationgeneracije.
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Oni so tisti, ki vedo kakšna bo družba naslednje generacije.
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I don't. NorNiti, I suspectsumite,
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Jaz ne vem. Niti, dvomim,
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do manyveliko other people who are talkinggovoriti about what the futureprihodnost will bringprinesi.
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da vedo to mnogi drugi, ki govorijo o tem, kaj bo prinesla prihodnost.
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CertainlyZagotovo, all of us can imaginezamislite these coolkul newnovo things
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Vsekakor si lahko vsi predstavljamo te "kul" nove stvari,
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that are going to be there.
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ki še bodo prisotne.
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But to me, things aren'tne the futureprihodnost.
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Ampak zame stvari niso prihodnost.
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What I askvprašajte myselfjaz is, what's societydružbo is going to be like,
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Sprašujem se, kakšna bo družba v prihodnosti,
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when the kidsotroci todaydanes are phenomenallyneverjetno good at textbesedilo messagingsporočila
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ko so otroci danes fenomenalni v pisanju SMS-ov
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and spendporabiti a hugeogromno amountznesek of on-screenna zaslonu time,
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in porabijo ogromno časa pred ekrani,
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but have never goneizginil bowlingbowling togetherskupaj?
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medtem ko skoraj nikoli ne gredo skupaj na bowling.
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ChangeSpremembe is happeningdogaja, and the changesprememba that is happeningdogaja
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Prihaja sprememba,
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is not one that is in softwareprogramsko opremo.
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a ne tista v programski opremi.
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But that's not what I'm going to talk about.
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Ampak ne bom govoril o tem.
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I'd love to talk about it, it'dto bi be funzabavno,
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Zelo bi rad govoril o tem, bilo bi zabavno,
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but I want to talk about what I'm doing now. What am I doing now?
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ampak govoril bom o tem, kar delam sedaj. Kaj delam sedaj?
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Oh -- the other thing that I think I'd like to talk about
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Oh – druga stvar o kateri mislim, da bi rad govoril,
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is right over here. Right over here.
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je tule. Prav tule.
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Is that visiblevidno? What I'd like to talk about is one-sidedENOSTRANSKA things.
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Se vidi? To, o čemer bi rad govoril, so enostranske stvari.
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I would dearlydragi love to talk about
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Zelo rad bi govoril o stvareh,
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things that have one sidestran.
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ki imajo samo eno stran.
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Because I love MobiusMöbius loopszank. I not only love MobiusMöbius loopszank,
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Ker obožujem mobiusove trakove. Ne samo da obožujem mobiusove trakove,
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but I'm one of the very fewmalo people,
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ampak sem tudi eden redkih ljudi na svetu,
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if not the only personoseba in the worldsvet, that makesnaredi KleinKlein bottlessteklenice.
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če ne edini na svetu, ki izdeluje kleinove steklenice.
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Right away, I hopeupanje that all of your eyesoči glazeglazura over.
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Upam, da vsi pogledate sem.
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This is a KleinKlein bottlesteklenica.
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To je kleinova steklenica.
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For those of you in the audienceobčinstvo who know,
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Za tiste v občinstvu, ki jih poznate,
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you rollroll your eyesoči and say, yupja, I know all about it.
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zavijte z očmi in si recite, ja. Vem vse o tem.
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It's one sideddvostranski. It's a bottlesteklenica whosečigar insideznotraj is its outsidezunaj.
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So enostranske. So steklenice, katerih notranjost je tudi zuananjost.
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It has zeronič volumeprostornina. And it's non-orientablebrez orientirati.
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Ima nično prostornino. In ne da se jih orientirati.
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It has wonderfulČudovito propertieslastnosti.
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Ima čudovite lastnosti.
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If you take two MobiusMöbius loopszank and sewšivati theirnjihovi commonpogosti edgerob togetherskupaj,
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Če vzameš dva mobiousova trakova in skupaj sešiješ njuna robova,
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you get one of these, and I make them out of glasssteklo.
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dobiš eno tako, in jaz jih izdelujem iz stekla.
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And I'd love to talk to you about this,
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In zelo rad bi govoril o tem,
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but I don't have much in the way of ... things to say because --
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ampak nimam več na način … povedati, ker --
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(LaughterSmeh)
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(Smeh)
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(ChrisChris AndersonAnderson: I've got a coldhladno.)
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(Chris Anderson: Prehlajen sem.)
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HoweverVendar, the "D" in TEDTED of courseseveda standsstojala for designoblikovanje.
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Kakorkoli že, "D" v "TED" seveda pomeni dizajn.
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Just two weekstednih agonazaj I madeizdelane --
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Samo dva tedna nazaj sem naredil --
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you know, I've been makingizdelavo smallmajhna, mediumsrednje and bigvelik KleinKlein bottlessteklenice for the tradetrgovino.
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veste, izdeloval sem majhne, srednje in velike kleinove steklenice za prodajo.
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But what I've just madeizdelane --
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Ampak, kar sem ravnokar naredil --
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and I'm delightedvesel to showshow you, first time in publicjavnost here.
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in sem presrečen, da vam lahko pokažem, prvič v javnosti.
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This is a KleinKlein bottlesteklenica winevino bottlesteklenica,
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To je kleinova steklenica, vinska steklenica,
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whichki, althoughčeprav in fourštiri dimensionsdimenzije
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ki jo, kljub temu, da v v štirih dimenzijah
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it shouldn'tne bi smel be ablesposoben to holddržite any fluidtekočine at all,
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ne bi mogla biti napolnjena s tekočino,
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it's perfectlypopolnoma capablesposoben of doing so
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popolnoma lahko napolnemo,
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because our universevesolje has only threetri spatialprostorsko dimensionsdimenzije.
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ker ima naše vesolje zgolj tri prostorske dimenzije.
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And because our universevesolje is only threetri spatialprostorsko dimensionsdimenzije,
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In ker ima naše vesolje le tri prostorske dimenzije,
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it can holddržite fluidstekočine.
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jo lahko napolnemo s tekočino.
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So it's highlyvisoko -- that one'sena the coolkul one.
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Torej je najbolj – to je tista, ki je "kul".
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That was a monthmesec of my life.
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To je bil mesec mojega življenja.
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But althoughčeprav I would love to talk about topologyTopologija with you, I'm not going to.
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Ampak kljub temu, da bi zelo rad govoril z vami o topologiji, ne bom.
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(LaughterSmeh)
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(Smeh)
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InsteadNamesto, I'm going to mentionomeniti my mommama,
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Namesto tega bom omenil svojo mamo,
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who passedminilo away last summerpoletje.
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ki je umrla prejšnje poletje.
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Had collectedzbrani photographsfotografije of me, as mothersmatere will do.
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Zbirala je moje slike, kot mame počno.
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Could somebodynekdo put this guy up?
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Lahko prosim pokažete tole?
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And I lookedpogledal over her albumalbum
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In sem šel čez njen album
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and she had collectedzbrani a pictureslika of me, standingstoji --
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in je imela sliko mene, ko stojim --
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well, sittingsedi -- in 1969, in frontspredaj of a bunchkup of dialspokliče.
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no, ko sedim, leta 1969, pred kupom tipk.
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And I lookedpogledal at it, and said, oh my god,
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In sem jo pogledal in si rekel, o moj bog,
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that was me, when I was workingdelo at the electronicelektronsko musicglasba studiostudio!
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to sem jaz, ko sem še delal za elektronski glasbeni studio!
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As a techniciantehnik, repairingpopravila and maintainingvzdrževanje
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Kot tehnik sem popravljal in vzdrževal
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the electronicelektronsko musicglasba studiostudio at SUNYSUNY BuffaloBuffalo. And wowwow!
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elektronski glasbeni studio pri SUNY Buffalo. In Uau!
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Way back machinestroj. And I said to myselfjaz, oh yeah!
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Časovni stroj. In sem si rekel, ah ja!
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And it sentposlano me back.
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In me je poslal nazaj.
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SoonKmalu after that, I foundnajdemo in anotherdrugo pictureslika that she had, a pictureslika of me.
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Kmalu po tem sem našel še eno sliko, na kateri sem bil.
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This guy over here of courseseveda is me.
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Ta fant tule sem seveda jaz.
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This man is RobertRobert MoogMoog,
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Ta gospod je Robert Moog,
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the inventorizumitelj of the MoogMoog synthesizersintetizator,
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izumitelj moogovih električnih klaviatur,
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who passedminilo away this pastpreteklost AugustAvgust.
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ki je umrl prejšnjega avgusta.
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RobertRobert MoogMoog was a generousradodaren, kindvrste personoseba, extraordinarilyizjemno competentpristojni engineerinženir.
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Robert Moog je bil radodarna prijazna oseba, izjemno sposoben inženir.
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A musicianglasbenik who tookvzel time from his life to teachučiti me,
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Glasbenik, ki si je vzel čas, da je učil mene,
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a sophomoreletniku, a freshmannovinec at SUNYSUNY BuffaloBuffalo.
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učenca, srednješolca na SUNY Buffalo.
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He'dOn bi come up from TrumansburgTrumansburga to teachučiti me
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Prišel je iz Trumansburga,
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not just about the MoogMoog synthesizersintetizator, but we'dBili bi be sittingsedi there --
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ne samo, da bi me učil o moogovih klaviaturah, ampak tudi samo sedela sva tam --
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I'm studyingŠtudij physicsfizika at the time. This is 1969, 70, 71.
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v tistem času sem študiral fiziko. To je 1969, 70, 71.
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We're studyingŠtudij physicsfizika, I'm studyingŠtudij physicsfizika,
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Študiramo fiziko, jaz študiram,
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and he's sayinggovoriti, "That's a good thing to do.
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in on pravi, "To je prava stvar.
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Don't get caughtujet up in electronicelektronsko musicglasba if you're doing physicsfizika."
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Naj te elektronska glasba ne zasvoji, če študiraš fiziko."
07:58
MentoringMentorstvo me. He'dOn bi come up and
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Bil je moj mentor. Prišel je
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spendporabiti hoursure and hoursure with me.
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in preživel ure z mano.
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He wrotenapisal a letterpismo of recommendationpriporočilo for me to get into graduatediplomiral schoolšola.
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Napisal mi je priporočilo, da sem šel študirat.
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In the backgroundozadje, my bicyclekolo.
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V ozadju je moje kolo.
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I realizeuresničiti that this pictureslika was takensprejeti at a friend'sprijatelja livingživeti roomsoba.
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Fotografija je bila posneta v prijateljevi dnevni sobi.
08:13
BobBob MoogMoog cameprišel by and hauledvleče a wholeceloto pilekup of equipmentopremo
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Bob Moog je prišel mimo in privlekel goro opreme,
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to showshow GregGreg FlintFlint and I things about this.
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da bi jo pokazal Gregu Flintu in meni.
08:18
We satsedel around talkinggovoriti about FourierFourierjeve transformspreoblikuje,
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Sedeli smo in govorili o fourierjevih transformacijah,
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BesselBesselovo functionsfunkcije, modulationmodulacija transferprenos functionsfunkcije,
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besslovih funkcijah, modulacijskih prenosnih funkcijah
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stuffstvari like this.
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in podobnih zadevah.
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Bob'sOsebe Bob passingmimo this pastpreteklost summerpoletje has been a lossizguba to all of us.
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Bobova smrt je bila velika izguba za vse nas.
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AnyoneKdorkoli who'skdo je a musicianglasbenik has been profoundlygloboko influencedvplivali by RobertRobert MoogMoog.
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Robert Moog je globoko vplival na vsakega glasbenika.
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(ApplauseAplavz)
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(Aplavz)
08:38
And I'll just say what I'm about to do. What I'm about to do --
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In samo povedal bom, kaj bom naredil. Kar bom naredil --
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I hopeupanje you can recognizeprepoznati that there's a distortedizkrivljene sinesinus waveval,
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upam da prepoznate pokvečen sinusni val,
08:47
almostskoraj a triangulartrikotni waveval uponna this Hewlett-PackardHewlett-Packard oscilloscopeOsciloskop.
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skoraj trikotni val na tem Hewlett-Packard osciloskopu.
08:53
Oh, coolkul. I can get to this placemesto over here, right?
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Oh, super. Lahko grem na to, ja?
08:58
KidsOtroci. KidsOtroci is what I'm going to talk about -- is that okay?
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Otroci. Govoril bom o otrocih -- je to v redu?
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It sayspravi kidsotroci over here, that's what I'd like to talk about.
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Tu piše otroci, o tem bi rad govoril.
09:04
I've decidedodločil that, for me at leastvsaj,
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Odločil sem se, da vsaj jaz
09:08
I don't have a bigvelik enoughdovolj headglava.
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nimam dovolj velike glave.
09:13
So I think locallylokalno and I actukrepati locallylokalno.
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Tako razmišljam lokalno in delujem lokalno.
09:16
I feel that the bestnajboljši way I can help out anything is to help out very, very locallylokalno.
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Ugotovil sem, da je najboljši način, da kakorkoli pomagam, tako da pomagam zelo, zelo lokalno.
09:20
So PhPH.D. this, and degreestopnja there, and the yaddayadda yaddayadda.
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Torej doktorat, diploma gor ali dol, in ves ta bla bla bla.
09:25
I was talkinggovoriti about this stuffstvari to
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O tem sem govoril
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some schoolteachersučitelje about a yearleto agonazaj.
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nekaterim učiteljem kako leto nazaj.
09:31
And one of them, severalveč of them would come up to me and say,
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In eden od njih, več njih je prišlo do mene in me vprašalo,
09:33
"Well, how come you ain'tni teachingpoučevanje?"
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"Torej, kako, da ne poučuješ?"
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And I said, "Well, I've taughtučil graduatediplomiral --
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In sem rekel, "No, saj sem učil podiplomske študente.
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I've had graduatediplomiral studentsštudenti, I've taughtučil undergraduatedodiplomski classesrazredov."
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Učil sem študente."
09:39
No, they said, "If you're so into kidsotroci and all this stuffstvari,
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Ne, so rekli, "če so ti otroci tako pomembni,
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how come you ain'tni over here on the frontspredaj lineslinije?
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kako da nisi v prvih bojnih vrstah?
09:44
Put your moneydenar where you mouthusta is."
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Počni to, kar predavaš."
09:48
Is trueresnično. Is trueresnično. I teachučiti eighth-gradeosmega razreda scienceznanost fourštiri daysdnevi a weekteden.
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Res je. Res je. Sedaj učim osmošolce znanost štiri dni na teden.
09:54
Not just showingprikazovanje up everyvsak now and then.
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Ne samo, da se prikažem sem in tja.
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No, no, no, no, no. I take attendanceudeležba.
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Ne, ne, ne, ne, ne. Vsezkozi sem tam.
10:00
I take lunchkosilo houruro. (ApplauseAplavz)
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S kosilom in vsem. (Aplavz)
10:03
This is not -- no, no, no, this is not clapsclaps.
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To ni -- ne, ne, ne, ne, to ni za ploskati.
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I stronglymočno suggestpredlagajte that this is a good thing for eachvsak of you to do.
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Močno svetujem, da je to dobro za vsakega med vami.
10:10
Not just showshow up to classrazred everyvsak now and then.
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Ne samo da se prikažete vsake toliko.
10:12
TeachPoučevanje a solidtrdna weekteden. Okay, I'm teachingpoučevanje three-quarterstri četrtine time, but good enoughdovolj.
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Učite celotni teden. No ja, jaz učim tri četrtinsko, ampak to je dovolj dobro.
10:16
One of the things that I've doneKončano for my scienceznanost studentsštudenti
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Ena stvar, ki sem jo povedal svojim učencem, je :
10:18
is to tell them, "Look, I'm going to teachučiti you college-levelkolidž ravni physicsfizika.
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"Učil vas bom fiziko univerzitetnega nivoja.
10:21
No calculusračuna, I'll cutcut out that.
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Brez integriranja in odvajanja.
10:23
You won'tne bo need to know trigTrigonometrična.
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Ne bo vam treba poznati trigonometrije.
10:25
But you will need to know eighth-gradeosmega razreda algebraalgebra,
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Morali pa boste znati algebro za osmošolce
10:28
and we're going to do seriousresno experimentsposkuse.
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in izvajali bomo resne eksperimente.
10:30
NoneNobena of this open-to-chapter-seven-and-do-all-the-odd-problem-setsOdprite-knjige-na-strani-sedem-in-rešite-vsako-drugo-nalogo.
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Nič od tega "Odprite-knjige-na-strani-sedem-in-rešite-vsako-drugo-nalogo."
10:33
We're going to be doing genuinepristen physicsfizika."
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Učili se bomo pravo fiziko."
10:36
And that's one of the things I thought I'd do right now.
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In to je ena stvari, ki bi jih počel sedaj.
10:38
(High-pitchedGlasom toneton)
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(Visok ton)
10:41
Oh, before I even turnobrat that on,
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Oh, še predno to prižgem,
10:43
one of the things that we did about threetri weekstednih agonazaj in my classrazred --
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ena stvari, ki smo jo naredili pred nekje tremi tedni v mojem razredu --
10:47
this is throughskozi the lensobjektiv, and one of the things we used a lensobjektiv for
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to je skozi lečo, in ena izmed stvari, za katero smo uporabili lečo,
10:49
was to measureukrep the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba.
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je bila meritev hitrosti svetlobe.
10:51
My studentsštudenti in ElEl CerritoCerrito -- with my help, of courseseveda,
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Moji učenci v El Cerritu -- z mojo pomočjo, seveda,
10:54
and with the help of a very beatpremagati up oscilloscopeOsciloskop --
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in s pomočjo močno rabljenega osciloskopa,
10:57
measuredmerjeno the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba.
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so izmerili hitrost svetlobe.
10:58
We were off by 25 percentodstotkov. How manyveliko eighthosmi gradersgrederji do you know of
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Zgrešili smo za 25 odstotkov. Koliko osemšolcev poznate,
11:03
who have measuredmerjeno the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba?
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ki so izmerili hitrost svetlobe?
11:05
In additionPoleg tega to that, we'vesmo measuredmerjeno the speedhitrost of soundzvok.
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Poleg tega, smo izmerili hitrost zvoka.
11:08
I'd love to measureukrep the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba here.
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Zelo rad bi tu izmeril hitrost svetlobe.
11:10
I was all setnastavite to do it and I was thinkingrazmišljanje, "AwAW man,"
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Bil sem pripravljen to narediti, in sem si misli, "Ejga,"
11:12
I was just going to imposenaloži uponna the powerspooblastila that be,
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sklical bom sile sveta
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and measureukrep the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba.
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in izmeril hitrost svetlobe.
11:16
And I'm all setnastavite to do it. I'm all setnastavite to do it,
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In sem bil pripravljen. Sem pripravljen,
11:20
but then it turnszavrti out that to setnastavite up here, you have like 10 minutesminut to setnastavite up!
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potem pa se izkaže, da imamo tu samo 10 minut, da pripravimo zadeve!
11:24
And there's no time to do it.
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In torej ni časa, da to izpeljemo.
11:26
So, nextNaslednji time, maybe, I'll measureukrep the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba!
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Tako da naslednjič, mogoče, bom izmeril hitrost svetlobe!
11:28
But meanwhilemedtem, let's measureukrep the speedhitrost of soundzvok!
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Medtem pa, izmerimo hitrost zvoka!
11:30
Well, the obviousočitno way to measureukrep the speedhitrost of soundzvok
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Očitni način za meritev hitrosti zvoka
11:32
is to bounceOdskakati soundzvok off something and look at the echoodmev.
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je, da ga odbijemo od nečesa in opazujemo odmev.
11:35
But, probablyverjetno -- one of my studentsštudenti, ArielAriel [unclearnejasno], said,
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Ampak, verjetno -- eden mojih učencev, Ariel, je rekel,
11:40
"Could we measureukrep the speedhitrost of lightsvetloba usinguporabo the waveval equationenačba?"
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"Bi lahko izmerili hitrost svetlobe preko valovne enačbe?"
11:43
And all of you know the waveval equationenačba is
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In vsi veste, da je valovna enačba:
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the frequencypogostost timeskrat the wavelengthValovna dolžina of any waveval ...
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frekvenca krat valovna dolžina kateregakoli valovanja ...
11:51
is a constantkonstantno. When the frequencypogostost goesgre up,
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je konstantna. Ko se frekvenca zviša,
11:54
the wavelengthValovna dolžina comesprihaja down. WavelengthValovna dolžina goesgre up,
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se valovna dolžina skrajša. Ko se valovna dolžina podaljša,
11:57
frequencypogostost goesgre down. So, if we have a waveval here --
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se frekveca zniža. Če imamo tu torej valovanje --
12:02
over here, that's what's interestingzanimivo --
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tukaj, to je tisto zanimivo --
12:06
as the pitchvišina tona goesgre up, things get closerbližje,
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če se zvok viša, gredo stvari skupaj,
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pitchvišina tona goesgre down, things stretchstretch out.
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če se zvok zniža, se stvari raztegnejo.
12:13
Right? This is simplepreprosto physicsfizika.
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Ja? To je preprosta fizika.
12:15
All of you know this from eighthosmi graderazred, rememberZapomni si?
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Vsi to poznate še z osmega razreda, se spomnite?
12:18
What they didn't tell you in physicsfizika -- in eighth-gradeosmega razreda physicsfizika --
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Kar vam niso povedali pri fiziki -- v osmem razredu --
12:22
but they should have, and I wishželim they had,
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pa bi vam morali -- in želim si, da bi --
12:25
was that if you multiplypomnoži the frequencypogostost timeskrat the wavelengthValovna dolžina of soundzvok
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je to, da če zmnožite frekvenco in valovno dolžino zvoka
12:29
or lightsvetloba, you get a constantkonstantno.
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ali svetlobe, dobite konstanto.
12:33
And that constantkonstantno is the speedhitrost of soundzvok.
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In ta konstanta je hitrost zvoka.
12:36
So, in orderred to measureukrep the speedhitrost of soundzvok,
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Da bi torej izmerili hitrost zvoka,
12:39
all I've got to do is know its frequencypogostost. Well, that's easyenostavno.
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je vse, kar rabimo vedeti, njegova frekvenca. No, to je preprosto.
12:43
I've got a frequencypogostost counterštevec right here.
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Tu imam merilec frekvence.
12:45
SetNabor it up to around A, abovenad A, abovenad A. There's an A, more or lessmanj.
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Nastavljen je nekje na A nad A nad A. To je A, več ali manj.
12:50
Now, so I know the frequencypogostost.
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Sedaj vemo njegovo frekvenco.
12:55
It's 1.76 kilohertzkHz. I measureukrep its wavelengthValovna dolžina.
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Je 1.76 kHz. Zmeril bom njegovo valovno dolžino.
13:00
All I need now is to flipflip on anotherdrugo beamžarek,
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Vse kar sedaj potrebujem, je, da priključim še en žarek.
13:03
and the bottomspodaj beamžarek is me talkinggovoriti, right?
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in spodnji žarek je moje govorjenje, ne?
13:06
So anytimekadarkoli I talk, you'dTi bi see it on the screenzaslon.
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Torej kadarkoli govorim, to vidimo na zaslonu.
13:11
I'll put it over here, and as I movePremakni se this away from the sourcevir,
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To bom postavil sem, in ko se oddaljujem od vira,
13:15
you'llboš noticeopaziti the spiralspirala.
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boste opazili spiralo.
13:20
The slinkyvitek movespremakne. We're going throughskozi differentdrugačen nodesvozlišča of the waveval,
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Drseče gibanje. Prehajamo med različnimi stopnjami valovanja,
13:25
comingprihajajo out this way.
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ki prihaja od tu.
13:27
Those of you who are physicistsfiziki, I hearslišite you rollingvaljanje your eyesoči,
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Tisti, ki ste fiziki, slišim vaše zavijanje z očmi,
13:29
but bearmedveda with me. (LaughterSmeh)
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ampak potrpite. (Smeh)
13:31
To measureukrep the wavelengthValovna dolžina,
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Da bi izmerili valovno dolžino,
13:34
all I need to do is measureukrep the distancerazdalja from here --
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je vse, kar rabimo, izmeriti razdaljo od tu,
13:40
one fullpolno waveval -- over to here.
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en cel val, do sem.
13:42
From here to here is the wavelengthValovna dolžina of soundzvok.
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Od tu do tu je valovna dolžina zvoka.
13:45
So, I'll put a measuringmeriti tapetrak here, measuringmeriti tapetrak here, movePremakni se it back over to here.
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Tu bom postavil merilo, ga pomaknil do sem.
13:53
I've movedpreselil the microphonemikrofon 20 centimeterscentimetrov.
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Mikrofon sem premaknil za 20 centimetrov.
13:57
0.2 metersmetrov from here, back to here, 20 centimeterscentimetrov.
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0.2 metra od tu do sem, 20 centimetrov.
14:04
OK, let's go back to MrG.. ElmoElmo.
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OK, vrnimo se nazaj h gospodu Elmu.
14:10
And we'llbomo say the frequencypogostost is 1.76 kilohertzkHz, or 1760.
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In rečemo frekvenca je 1.76 kHz, ali 1760.
14:17
The wavelengthValovna dolžina was 0.2 metersmetrov.
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Valovna dolžina je 0.2 metra.
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Let's figureštevilka out what this is.
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Poglejmo, koliko je to.
14:25
(LaughterSmeh) (ApplauseAplavz)
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(Smeh)(Aplavz)
14:33
1.76 timeskrat 0.2 over here is 352 metersmetrov perna seconddrugič.
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1.76 krat 0.2 tule, je 352 metrov na sekundo.
14:40
If you look it up in the bookknjigo, it's really 343.
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Če preverite to v knjigi, boste videli, da je prava rešitev 343.
14:46
But, here with kludgyneprimernim materialmaterial, and lousySlabo drinkpijte --
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Ampak tu z neprimernim materialom in zanič pijačo --
14:48
we'vesmo been ablesposoben to measureukrep the speedhitrost of soundzvok to --
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smo bili zmožni izmeriti hitrost zvoka na --
14:53
not badslab. Prettylepo good.
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Ne slabo. Precej dobro.
14:55
All of whichki comesprihaja to what I wanted to say.
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Kar vse skupaj privede do tega, kar sem hotel povedati.
15:00
Go back to this pictureslika of me a millionmilijonov yearslet agonazaj.
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Pojdite nazaj na to mojo sliko milijon let nazaj.
15:05
It was 1971, the VietnamVietnam WarVojne was going on,
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Bilo je 1971, sredi vietnamske vojne.
15:10
and I'm like, "Oh my God!"
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In jaz, "O moj Bog!"
15:13
I'm studyingŠtudij physicsfizika: LandauLandau, LipschitzLipschitz, ResnickResnick and HallidayHalliday.
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Študiram fiziko: Landau, Lipschitz, Resnick in Halliday.
15:16
I'm going home for a midtermvmesni. A riot'sosebe izgredov going on on campuskampus.
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Vračam se domov med počitnicami. V študentskem naselju pa protesti.
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There's a riotnemiri! Hey, Elmo'sELMA doneKončano: off.
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Protesti so! Hej, Elmo je končal. Ugasni se.
15:27
There's a riotnemiri going on on campuskampus,
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V študentskem naselju so protesti.
15:29
and the policepolicija are chasingloviti me, right?
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In policija me lovi, ne?
15:32
I'm walkinghoditi acrossčez campuskampus. CopPolicaj comesprihaja and looksizgleda at me and sayspravi,
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Hodim skozi študentsko naselje. Policaj pride in me pogleda in reče,
15:35
"You! You're a studentštudent."
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"Ti! Ti si študent."
15:37
PullsPotegne out a gunpištolo. GoesGre boomboom!
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Izvleče puško. Bum!
15:39
And a teartrgati gasplin canisterposodo the sizevelikost of a PepsiPepsi can goesgre by my headglava. WhooshWhoosh!
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Solzilec v velikosti pepsi pločevinke prileti mimo moje glave. Vuššš!
15:43
I get a breathsapo of teartrgati gasplin and I can't breathedihajte.
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Vdihnem polna pljuča solzilca in ne morem dihati.
15:46
This coppolicaj comesprihaja after me with a riflepuško.
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Policaj pride za mano s puško.
15:48
He wants to clunkclunk me over the headglava!
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Hoče me udariti po betici!
15:50
I'm sayinggovoriti, "I got to clearjasno out of here!"
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Pravim si, "Pobegniti moram!"
15:53
I go runningteče acrossčez campuskampus quickhitro as I can. I duckraca into HayesHayes HallDvorana.
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Začnem teči čez kampus, kakor hitro lahko. Zatečem se v Hayes Hall.
15:59
It's one of these bell-towerzvonik buildingszgradbe.
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To je ena od stavb z zvonikom.
16:01
The cop'sCOP chasingloviti me.
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Policaj me zasleduje.
16:03
ChasingPreganja me up the first floornadstropje, seconddrugič floornadstropje, thirdtretjino floornadstropje.
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Sledi mi v prvo nadstropje, drugo, tretje.
16:05
ChasesLovi me into this roomsoba.
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Prežene me v to sobo.
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The entrancewayentranceway to the bellzvonec towerstolp.
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Vhod v zvonik.
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I slamSlam the doorvrata behindzadaj me, climbplezati up,
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Zaloputnem vrata za sabo in splezam gor,
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go pastpreteklost this placemesto where I see a pendulumnihalo tickingOdkrivanje.
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grem mimo prostora, kjer niha nihalo.
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And I'm thinkingrazmišljanje, "Oh yeah,
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In si mislim, oh ja,
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the squarekvadrat rootroot of the lengthdolžina is proportionalproporcionalno to its periodobdobje." (LaughterSmeh)
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kvadratni koren dolžine nihala je sorazmeren nihajnem času. (Smeh)
16:17
I keep climbingplezanje up, go back.
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Še vedno plezam, grem nazaj.
16:19
I go to a placemesto where a dowelklina splitsrazdeli off.
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Grem v prostor, kjer se os razcepi.
16:21
There's a clockura, clockura, clockura, clockura.
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Tu je ura, ura, ura, ura.
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The time'sčas going backwardsnazaj because I'm insideznotraj of it.
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Čas gre nazaj, ker sem znotraj ure.
16:24
I'm thinkingrazmišljanje of LorenzLorenz contractionskrčenje and EinsteinianEinsteinian relativityrelativnost.
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Pomislim na Lorenzove transformacije in Einsteinovo relativnost.
16:28
I climbplezati up, and there's this placemesto, way in the back,
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Splezam gor, in tu je ta prostor, čisto zadaj,
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that you climbplezati up this woodenlesene ladderlestev.
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do katerega splezaš po tej leseni lestvi.
16:33
I poppop up the topna vrh, and there's a cupolakupolo.
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Odprem vrhnji pokrov in tu je kupola.
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A domekupola, one of these ten-footdeset-foot domeskupole.
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Kupola, ena od teh trimetrskih kupol.
16:37
I'm looking out and I'm seeingvidenje the copspolicaji bashingbashing students'študentov headsglave,
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Gledam ven in vidim policaje, kako razbijajo glave študentov.
16:40
shootingstreljanje teartrgati gasplin, and watchinggledal studentsštudenti throwingmetanje bricksopeke.
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Izstreljujejo solzivec in gledajo študente, kako mečejo opeke.
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And I'm askingsprašujem, "What am I doing here? Why am I here?"
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Sprašujem se, kaj počnem tu? Zakaj sem tu?
16:45
Then I rememberZapomni si what my Englishangleščina teacheručitelj in highvisoko schoolšola said.
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Potem se spomnim, kaj mi je učitelj angleščine povedal v srednji šoli.
16:48
NamelyIn sicer, that when they castoddanih bellszvonovi,
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Ko obesijo zvonove,
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they writepiši inscriptionsnapisi on them.
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nanje zapišejo posvetila.
16:55
So, I wipeobrišite the pigeongolob manuregnoj off one of the bellszvonovi, and I look at it.
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Z enega od zvonov tako pobrišem golobje izločke in si ga ogledam.
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I'm askingsprašujem myselfjaz, "Why am I here?"
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Sprašujem se, zakaj sem tu?
17:02
So, at this time, I'd like to tell you the wordsbesede inscribedvpisanih
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Ob tej priložnosti bi vam rad povedal zapisane besede
17:06
uponna the HayesHayes HallDvorana towerstolp bellszvonovi:
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na zvonu Hayes Hall zvonika:
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"All truthresnica is one.
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"Vsa resnica je eno.
17:15
In this lightsvetloba, maylahko scienceznanost and religionreligija endeavorsi here
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V tej luči, naj se znanost in vera tu prizadevata
17:21
for the steadystalno evolutionevolucijo of mankindčloveštvo, from darknesstemno to lightsvetloba,
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za postopno evolucijo človeštva, iz teme proti svetlobi,
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from narrownessmajhnosti to broad-mindednessširoko mišljenja, from prejudicevpliva to tolerancestrpnost.
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iz ozkoglednosti do širokoglednosti, iz predsodkov do strpnosti.
17:33
It is the voiceglas of life, whichki callsklice us to come and learnučiti se."
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Zvok življenja je tisti, ki nas kliče, da pridemo sem in se učimo."
17:41
Thank you very much.
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Najlepša hvala.
Translated by Miha Pelko
Reviewed by TEDx Ljubljana

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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Clifford Stoll - Astronomer, educator, skeptic
Astronomer Clifford Stoll helped to capture a notorious KGB hacker back in the infancy of the Internet. His agile mind continues to lead him down new paths -- from education and techno-skepticism to the making of zero-volume bottles.

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When Clifford Stoll speaks, you can't help but listen. Full of restless energy, he jumps from one topic to the next, darting back and forth across the stage. You may not be sure where he's going, but the ride is always part of the adventure.

An astronomer (though his astronomy career took a turn when he noticed a bookkeeping error that ultimately led him to track down a notorious hacker), researcher and internationally recognized computer security expert -- who happens to be a vocal critic of technology -- Stoll makes a sharp, witty case for keeping computers out of the classroom. Currently teaching college-level physics to eighth graders at a local school, he stays busy in his spare time building Klein bottles.

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