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Muthoni Drummer Queen: Creativity builds nations
Muthoni Drummer Queen: 创意建立国家
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在一个充满希望的演讲中，音乐家和TED成员 Muthoni Drummer Queen 分享了音乐、电影和时尚等行业如何为非洲人提供了一个展示他们丰富多样才能的平台，并解释了共同的创造力经验如何能够用接纳和自爱取代排外主义和排他主义的态度。
Muthoni Drummer Queen - Musician
Muthoni Drummer Queen's thought-provoking music fuses traditional African drum patterns with modern styles like hip-hop, reggae and blues. Full bio
Muthoni Drummer Queen's thought-provoking music fuses traditional African drum patterns with modern styles like hip-hop, reggae and blues. Full bio
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00:12
Between 2004 and 2008,
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在2004年到2008年，
00:15
I unsuccessfully tried to get
into the Kenyan music industry.
into the Kenyan music industry.
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我试图进入肯尼亚
的音乐行业，但失败了。
的音乐行业，但失败了。
00:19
But the recurring answer from producers
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制片人反复给我的答案是，
00:22
was I was not Kenyan enough.
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我不够肯尼亚人。
00:24
Meaning what?
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这是什么意思？
00:25
I didn't sing fully in the slang
derivative of Kiswahili
derivative of Kiswahili
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我不能完全用斯瓦希里语
的衍生俚语唱歌，
的衍生俚语唱歌，
00:29
and I didn't sing enough party tracks,
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并且我唱的派对歌曲不够多，
00:31
so they said Kenyans wouldn't listen
to a Kenyan who sounded like me.
to a Kenyan who sounded like me.
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所以他们说肯尼亚人不会听
像我这样的肯尼亚人唱歌。
像我这样的肯尼亚人唱歌。
00:36
This idea of otherism,
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这种他者主义的观点，
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the exclusion of a person
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是基于一个人对标准的偏离
00:39
based on their perceived
deviation from the norms,
deviation from the norms,
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而将其隔离在外，
00:42
goes to the root of the problems in Kenya.
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是肯尼亚问题的根源，
00:45
And it runs deep.
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并且这一现象影响深远。
00:47
Kenya was invented
by colonialists in 1895,
by colonialists in 1895,
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1895年，肯尼亚诞生于
一群殖民者的巨鼎，
一群殖民者的巨鼎，
00:50
and with it, came the erasure
of our identity
of our identity
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随之而来的是，我们的身份被抹去，
00:53
and the class system built on otherism.
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同时出现了建立在他者主义
基础上的阶级制度。
基础上的阶级制度。
00:56
So by 1963, when we received
our independence,
our independence,
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所以到1963年，当我们获得独立时，
00:59
these ideas had already become
the new normal.
the new normal.
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这些思想已经变成了新的共识。
01:02
Now, we've tried a lot of different ways
to move forward since.
to move forward since.
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目前，我们已经尝试了
许多不同的方式来发展。
许多不同的方式来发展。
01:05
We have a common language,
currency, infrastructure,
currency, infrastructure,
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我们有共同的语言，
货币，基础设施，
货币，基础设施，
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basically all the things
that make a country a country.
that make a country a country.
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几乎所有让国家像国家的东西。
01:11
But all these efforts at nation-building
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但这些国家建设的努力
01:14
do not go to the heart of the matter.
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并没有触及问题的核心。
01:16
Which is this:
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那就是：
01:17
we cannot build what we do not truly love.
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我们无法建造我们
不真正热爱的东西。
不真正热爱的东西。
01:20
And we cannot love
until we love ourselves.
until we love ourselves.
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我们无法去爱，除非我们爱自己。
01:24
The thing we have to heal, us Kenyans,
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我们肯尼亚人必须去治愈的，
01:26
is our lack of self-love,
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是自爱的缺失，
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our deep self-hate
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我们深处的自恨
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and our existential identity crisis.
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和我们存在的身份危机。
01:33
And this is the work of nation-building
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这是只有创意产业
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that only the creative industry can do.
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才能完成的国家建设工作。
01:40
The idea that Kenya
can only include some of us
can only include some of us
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肯尼亚只能包括部分人的想法
01:43
led me to found a music festival in 2008
called Blankest and Wine,
called Blankest and Wine,
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启发我在2008年创办了一个名为
“布兰克斯特和葡萄酒”的音乐节，
“布兰克斯特和葡萄酒”的音乐节，
01:47
to give a platform to myself
and other misfits.
and other misfits.
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旨在为自己和其他“不合群”的人
提供一个平台。
提供一个平台。
01:50
Ten years later,
we've programmed over 200 bands
we've programmed over 200 bands
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在之后的10年，我们上演了
200多个乐队的节目，
200多个乐队的节目，
01:53
and put at least 100,000 dollars
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并直接投入了至少10万美元
01:55
directly into the hands
of artists and managers,
of artists and managers,
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到艺术家和管理者的手中，
01:58
who have in turn spent it
on technicians, rehearsals,
on technicians, rehearsals,
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他们会把钱花在技术人员、排练、
02:01
music videos and other things
along the music value chain.
along the music value chain.
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音乐视频和其他
音乐价值链的事情上。
音乐价值链的事情上。
02:05
Our platform has allowed
for multiple Kenyan identities to exist,
for multiple Kenyan identities to exist,
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我们的平台能够让多元化
的肯尼亚人身份存在，
的肯尼亚人身份存在，
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while inspiring the industry
to discover and engage
to discover and engage
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激发行业去发现和参与
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the wide variety of Kenyan music.
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肯尼亚音乐的多样性。
02:15
What we do is necessary but insufficient.
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我们的做法是必要的，但还不够。
02:18
And we must urgently pivot
into a live music circuit.
into a live music circuit.
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我们必须尽快转向音乐现场循环。
02:21
But there are other ways
music can help heal the nation.
music can help heal the nation.
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但音乐也可以通过其他方式
来帮助治愈国家。
来帮助治愈国家。
02:26
According to a 2018 state of media report,
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据2018年《国家媒体报》报道，
02:29
traditional radio is sill by far
the biggest distributor of ideas in Kenya,
the biggest distributor of ideas in Kenya,
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传统电台目前仍然是肯尼亚
最大的思想传播渠道，
最大的思想传播渠道，
02:33
with 47 percent of Kenyans
still choosing radio first.
still choosing radio first.
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47%的肯尼亚人仍然首选电台。
02:37
This presents an opportunity.
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这代表着一个机会。
02:39
We can use radio to help Kenyans hear
the diversity that is Kenya.
the diversity that is Kenya.
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我们可以使用电台来帮助
肯尼亚人了解肯尼亚的多样性。
肯尼亚人了解肯尼亚的多样性。
02:43
We can reserve 60 percent
of all programing on Kenyan radio
of all programing on Kenyan radio
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我们可以将肯尼亚电台
所有节目的60%
所有节目的60%
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for Kenyan music.
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保留给肯尼亚音乐。
02:49
We can break down ethnic barriers
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我们可以通过
02:50
by playing Kenyan music
done in English, Kiswahili
done in English, Kiswahili
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在单一语言的民族电台上
播放用英语、斯瓦希里语
播放用英语、斯瓦希里语
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and other ethnic languages,
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和其他少数民族语言演奏
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on what is now
single-language ethnic radio.
single-language ethnic radio.
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的肯尼亚音乐打破种族的界限。
02:59
Radio can help stimulate
interest and demand
interest and demand
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电台可以帮助激发人们
对肯尼亚人制作的音乐
对肯尼亚人制作的音乐
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for Kenyan music by Kenyans,
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的兴趣和需求，
03:05
while also providing
the much-needed incomes
the much-needed incomes
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同时提供急需的
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by way of royalties.
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版税收入。
03:09
But more importantly,
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但更加重要的是，
03:11
radio can help us build a more inclusive
narrative about Kenya.
narrative about Kenya.
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广播可以帮助我们建立一个
更包容的关于肯尼亚的故事，
更包容的关于肯尼亚的故事，
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For you cannot love
what you do not know exists.
what you do not know exists.
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那些你不知道所以不会爱的东西。
03:19
Other creative industries
too can do the work.
too can do the work.
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其他创意行业也可以
承担这个工作。
承担这个工作。
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When you consider
that 41 percent of Kenyans
that 41 percent of Kenyans
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当你考虑到41%的肯尼亚人
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still choose TV as their primary medium,
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仍然选择电视作为他们的主要媒体，
03:27
it's obvious that film
has a huge potential.
has a huge potential.
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很显然，电影具有巨大的潜力。
03:30
The meager resources
that have been put into the sector
that have been put into the sector
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投入这个行业的微薄资源
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have already produced world-class acts,
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已经产生了世界级的表演，
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like Lupita Nyong'o and Wanuri Kahiu,
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比如露皮塔·尼永奥（肯尼亚著名女演员）
和瓦努里·卡休（肯尼亚著名女导演），
和瓦努里·卡休（肯尼亚著名女导演），
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but we are going to need
a lot more incentives and investments
a lot more incentives and investments
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但我们需要更多的激励和投资
03:40
to make filming in Kenya easier,
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让在肯尼亚进行
拍摄工作变得更容易，
拍摄工作变得更容易，
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so more Kenyan stories
can get on the Kenyan TV
can get on the Kenyan TV
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这样更多的肯尼亚故事
能够被搬上荧幕，
能够被搬上荧幕，
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and spark off the really
difficult conversations
difficult conversations
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并引发我们之间所需要的
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we need to have with one another.
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真正困难的对话。
03:51
We're going to need to grow
a lot more home-grown stars,
a lot more home-grown stars,
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我们需要培养更多本地的明星，
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so we can reverse the idea
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这样我们就能够扭转
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that we have to blow up abroad
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在得到国内的接受和认可之前，
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before we get the acceptance
and validation of home.
and validation of home.
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我们必须在国外取得成功这一观念。
04:04
Fashion too can do the work.
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时尚行业也可以起到类似的作用。
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We need to make it possible
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我们需要让为肯尼亚消费者
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to affordably mass-produce
Kenyan clothes for Kenyan consumers,
Kenyan clothes for Kenyan consumers,
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提供批量生产的
廉价肯尼亚服装成为可能，
廉价肯尼亚服装成为可能，
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so we don't all have to rely
on second-hand imports.
on second-hand imports.
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这样我们就不需要依赖
二手的进口服装。
二手的进口服装。
04:15
The first running shoe made in Kenya
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首个在肯尼亚制作的跑步鞋
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needs to be a local and global success
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需要在国内和国际获得成功
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as an ode to Kenyan excellence,
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以歌颂肯尼亚的卓越，
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epitomized by Kenyan runners,
who are literally world-class.
who are literally world-class.
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代表人物是肯尼亚的跑步者，
他们确实是世界级的。
他们确实是世界级的。
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For these ideas to come to life,
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如果这些想法变成现实，
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jobs will be created,
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更多的工作将会被创造出来，
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and Kenyan ideas will be exported.
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肯尼亚的创意会被输出到全世界。
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But more importantly,
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但更重要的，
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Kenyans may finally
consider themselves worthy
consider themselves worthy
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肯尼亚人最终会认为他们自己值得
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of the love that we reserve for others.
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我们为他人保留的爱。
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Kenya's creative industry is dynamic,
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肯尼亚的创意产业充满活力，
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cosmopolitan, forward-looking,
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是世界性的，前瞻性的，
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and without a doubt,
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并且毫无疑问，
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a true manufacturing industry
of the immediate future.
of the immediate future.
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不久的将来将成为
一个真正的制造业。
一个真正的制造业。
04:52
But its true power lies in its ability
to help heal the psyche of Kenya,
to help heal the psyche of Kenya,
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但它的真正力量在于它能帮助
治愈肯尼亚人心灵的能力，
治愈肯尼亚人心灵的能力，
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so we can finally build a nation for real.
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这样我们才能最终
建立一个真正的国家。
建立一个真正的国家。
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Thank you.
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谢谢。
05:03
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
05:08
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
05:11
For this song, I'd like us all
to take a minute
to take a minute
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这首歌，我想让大家花1分钟
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and think about immigrant communities,
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去想象移民群体，
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and especially refugee
immigrant communities,
immigrant communities,
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尤其是难民移民群体，
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and the daily struggle
they have to endure,
they have to endure,
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他们每天必须忍受的挣扎，
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building a life with dignity and meaning
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远离他们所爱所知的一切，
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away from everything
they have loved and known.
they have loved and known.
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建立一种有尊严、有意义的生活。
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If you feel any empathy for this idea,
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如果你对他们感到同情，
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I ask to see your fist
up in the air with me.
up in the air with me.
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我想要看到你们
和我一起高举拳头。
和我一起高举拳头。
05:32
(Music)
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（音乐）
05:34
"Million voice."
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“百万个声音”。
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The mandem make some noise
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人们发出声音。
05:39
With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
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All the mandem make some noise
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所有人的声音，
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With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
05:49
Can't stop I, won't stop I
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无法停止，我无法停止。
05:52
With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
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Can't stop I, won't stop I
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无法停止，我无法停止。
05:58
With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
06:01
This one dedicated
to my people building something
to my people building something
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这是献给我的人民建设的东西，
06:04
Working hard to make sure
that their children will lack for nothing
that their children will lack for nothing
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努力工作确保孩子丰衣足食。
06:08
When them people come around
and treat them like they're basic
and treat them like they're basic
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当他们来的时候，人们像对待
基本的东西一样对待他们。
基本的东西一样对待他们。
06:11
I just want to LOL and tell them
to consider all their options
to consider all their options
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我只是想笑一笑，告诉他们
考虑一下他们所有的选择。
考虑一下他们所有的选择。
06:15
Caution, natural distortion
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小心，自然扭曲。
06:17
You can't even kill us
we survive even abortion
we survive even abortion
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你甚至不能杀我们，
即使堕胎我们也活了下来。
即使堕胎我们也活了下来。
06:20
Say we cannot make it,
watch us how we make it
watch us how we make it
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说我们做不到，看我们如何做到。
06:24
Watch us in a minute
come and run and overtake it
come and run and overtake it
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看着我们马上跑过来，占领它。
06:27
TED, clap!
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TED，拍手！
06:28
Can't have enough of it
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这样还不够。
06:32
This our only way of life
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这是我们唯一的生活方式。
06:35
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
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TED, will you clap like this.
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TED，你会这样拍手吗？
06:41
Can't have enough of it
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这样还不够。
06:45
This our only way of life
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这是我们唯一的生活方式。
06:48
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
06:51
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
06:53
The mandem make some noise
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人们发出声音。
06:56
Like a million, million voice
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像数百万，数百万人的声音。
06:59
All the mandem make some noise
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所有人发出声音，
07:02
With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
07:06
Can't stop I, won't stop I
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无法停止，我无法停止。
07:09
With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
07:12
Can't stop I, won't stop I
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无法停止，我无法停止。
07:15
With a million, million voice
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数百万，数百万人的声音。
07:19
Can I be your leader
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我可以做你的领袖吗？
07:20
Can I be your Caesar
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我可以做你的凯撒吗？
07:22
If I show you how to make some more
will you pledge allegiance
will you pledge allegiance
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如果我告诉你如何做更多，
你会宣誓效忠吗？
你会宣誓效忠吗？
07:25
Is it always either
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总是这样吗？
07:27
Me or you or neither
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是你，是我，或两者皆不？
07:28
If I show you where I'm coming from,
will you take a breather?
will you take a breather?
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如果我告诉你我来自哪里，
你能休息一下吗？
你能休息一下吗？
07:31
Cos what you'll find -- what you'll find
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因为你会发现，你会发现，
07:35
What you'll find
guarantee will blow your mind!
guarantee will blow your mind!
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你发现的保证会让你大吃一惊！
07:38
I'll blow your mind -- I'll blow your mind
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我会让你大吃一惊——
我会让你大吃一惊。
我会让你大吃一惊。
07:41
And then you'll see the reason
I stay on my grind
I stay on my grind
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然后你就会看到我努力的理由。
07:44
Would you clap!
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你会拍手吗！
07:45
Can't have enough of it
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这还不够。
07:48
It's our only way of life
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这是我们唯一的生活方式。
07:52
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
07:55
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
07:58
Can't have enough of it
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这还不够。
08:01
It's our only way of life
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这是我们唯一的生活方式。
08:04
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
08:08
Keeping, keeping on the grind
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继续，继续努力。
08:10
The mandem make some noise
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人们发出声音。
08:13
(Cheering)
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（欢呼）
08:18
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
08:24
This next one is partly in Kiswahili,
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下一个部分是基斯瓦希里语，
08:28
which is what we speak in Kenya.
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是我们在肯尼亚的语言。
08:30
And it's about female friendship
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它是关于女性友情
08:33
and female power.
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和女性力量。
08:35
And girls coming together
to build something that lasts,
to build something that lasts,
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女孩们聚在一起创造永恒的东西，
08:38
a true legacy and intergenerational worth.
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真正的遗产和代际价值。
08:41
"Suzie Noma."
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"苏西诺玛。"
08:44
(Drum music)
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(鼓声)
08:50
Sitting at the corner
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坐在角落里，
08:52
Me and Suzie Noma
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苏西诺玛和我。
08:53
We ain't got no worries
we are looking like the owners
we are looking like the owners
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我们无忧无虑，
看起来就像老板一样，
看起来就像老板一样，
08:56
Sipping on Coronas
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啜饮叶子，
08:58
Looking at the phone as
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看着手机，就像
08:59
All them pretty boys
come and tell us how they want us
come and tell us how they want us
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所有的漂亮男孩都来告诉我们
他们想要我们那样。
他们想要我们那样。
09:02
Mambo ni kungoja, aki mtangoja
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Mambo ni kungoja, aki mtangoja。
09:05
Sinaga matime za kuwaste na vioja
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Sinaga matime za kuwaste na vioja。
09:08
Planning how we want
to take over the world soon
to take over the world soon
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计划着我们要如何
尽快接管这个世界。
尽快接管这个世界。
09:11
Riding on the drums
and the clap while the bass goes
and the clap while the bass goes
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踏着鼓声拍手，低音轰鸣。
09:15
Hey! Shake it down shake it down like
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嘿！尽情摇摆，尽情摇摆。
09:18
Wait till you, wait till you see my
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等你，等你看我的。
09:21
Hey! Shake it down shake it down like
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嘿！尽情摇摆，尽情摇摆。
09:24
Wait till you, wait till you see my
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等你，等你看我的。
09:28
If you really know it
and you really wanna show it
and you really wanna show it
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如果你真的知道，
如果你真想表现出来，
如果你真想表现出来，
09:30
Be the way to go
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按正确的方法去做。
09:34
Go and grab somebody,
move your body, show somebody
move your body, show somebody
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去抓住某个人，摆动你的身体，
展示给别人看，
展示给别人看，
09:36
Be the way to go
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按正确的方法去做。
09:40
On this I know,
all this I know, all this I know
all this I know, all this I know
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我知道这一切，我知道这一切，
我知道这一切。
我知道这一切。
09:46
On this I know,
all this I know, all this I know
all this I know, all this I know
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我知道这一切，我知道这一切，
我知道这一切。
我知道这一切。
09:51
Iyo!
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Iyo!
09:53
Scheming at the corner
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在角落里密谋诡计，
09:55
Me and Suzie Noma
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苏西诺玛和我。
09:56
We ain't got no money
but we do it how we wanna
but we do it how we wanna
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我们没有钱，但我们
想怎么做就怎么做。
想怎么做就怎么做。
09:59
Painting our nails checking our mails as
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修饰我们的指甲，
检查我们的邮件，
检查我们的邮件，
10:02
All them pretty boys
wanna have us but they fail like
wanna have us but they fail like
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所有漂亮的男孩都想要我们，
但是他们失败了。
但是他们失败了。
10:05
Aki mtangoja, leo mtangoja
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Aki mtangoja, leo mtangoja。
10:08
Saa hii tukoworks hakunaga za vioja
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Saa hii tukoworks hakunaga za vioja。
10:11
Planning how we want to
take over the world soon
take over the world soon
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计划着我们要如何尽快接管这个世界。
10:14
Riding on the drums and the clap
while the bass goes boom
while the bass goes boom
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踏着鼓声拍手，低音轰鸣。
10:18
Shake it down shake it down like
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2643
尽情摇摆，尽情摇摆。
10:21
Wait till you, wait till you see my
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2601
等你，等你看我的。
10:24
Hey! Shake it down shake it down like
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尽情摇摆，尽情摇摆。
10:27
Wait till you, wait till you see my
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等你，等你看我的。
10:31
If you really know it
and you really wanna show it
and you really wanna show it
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如果你真的知道，
如果你真想表现出来，
如果你真想表现出来，
10:33
Be the way to go
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按正确的方法去做。
10:37
Go and grab somebody,
move your body, show somebody
move your body, show somebody
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去抓住某个人，移动你的身体，
展示给别人看，
展示给别人看，
10:39
Be the way to go
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按正确的方法去做。
10:43
On this I know,
all this I know, all this I know
all this I know, all this I know
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我知道这一切，我知道这一切，
我知道这一切。
我知道这一切。
10:49
On this I know,
all this I know, all this I know
all this I know, all this I know
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我知道这一切，我知道这一切，
我知道这一切。
我知道这一切。
10:55
And now you whine your waist
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现在扭动你的腰肢，
10:58
And now you screw your face
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现在轻捏你的脸。
11:01
Exaggerate your waist
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快速扭动你的腰。
11:04
Resuscitate the place
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让这个地方复苏。
11:07
Na wale wako fifty fifty comsi
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Na wale wako fifty fifty comsi。
11:10
Na wale wako fiti pia sisi
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Na wale wako fiti pia sisi。
11:13
Tuko tu sawa mdogo mdogo yaani
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Tuko tu sawa mdogo mdogo yaani。
11:16
Hallelu-yawa tumeiva design
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Hallelu-yawa tumeiva design。
11:19
If you really know it,
and you really wanna show it
and you really wanna show it
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如果你真的知道，
如果你真想表现出来，
如果你真想表现出来，
11:21
Be the way to go
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按正确的方法去做。
11:25
Go and grab somebody,
move your body, show somebody
move your body, show somebody
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去抓住某个人，移动你的身体，
展示给别人看，
展示给别人看，
11:27
Be the way to go
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按正确的方法去做。
11:31
On this I know,
all this I know, all this I know
all this I know, all this I know
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我知道这一切，我知道这一切，
我知道这一切。
我知道这一切。
11:37
On this I know,
all this I know, all this I know
all this I know, all this I know
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我知道这一切，我知道这一切，
我知道这一切。
我知道这一切。
11:42
Iyo!
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Iyo!
11:45
(Cheering)
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（欢呼）
11:48
(Applause)
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（鼓掌）
Translated by psjmz mz
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Muthoni Drummer Queen - MusicianMuthoni Drummer Queen's thought-provoking music fuses traditional African drum patterns with modern styles like hip-hop, reggae and blues.
Why you should listen
Muthoni Drummer Queen is the founder of two festivals in East Africa: Blankets & Wine, a platform for emerging and established "alternative" Kenyan and African artists that has since expanded to franchises in Uganda and Rwanda; and Africa Nouveau, an annual music and arts festival gathering creators, curators and fans of "African cool."
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