TEDGlobal 2012
Ruby Wax: What's so funny about mental illness?
Ruby Wax: Šta je tako smiješno u mentalnim oboljenjima?
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Bolesti tijela prikupljaju simpatije, kaže komičarka Ruby Wax - osim mozga. Zašto je to tako? Uz sjajnu energiju i humor, Wax, kojoj je dijagnosticirana klinička depresija prije deset godina, nas poziva da se prestane sa žigosanjem mentalnih bolesti.
Ruby Wax - Comedian and Mental Health Activist
Ruby Wax is a loud, funny woman -- who spent much of her comedy career battling depression in silence. Now her work blends mental health advocacy and laughs. Full bio
Ruby Wax is a loud, funny woman -- who spent much of her comedy career battling depression in silence. Now her work blends mental health advocacy and laughs. Full bio
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00:15
One in four people suffer from some sort of mental illness,
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Jedna od četiri osobe
ima neko mentalno oboljenje,
ima neko mentalno oboljenje,
00:19
so if it was one, two, three, four, it's you, sir.
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recimo jedna, dvije, tri, četiri,
to ste vi gospodine.
to ste vi gospodine.
00:24
You. Yeah. (Laughter)
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Vi. Da.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
00:25
With the weird teeth. And you next to him. (Laughter)
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Sa čudnim zubima. I vi do njega.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
00:29
You know who you are.
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Znate vi ko ste.
00:30
Actually, that whole row isn't right. (Laughter)
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Zapravo, čitav taj red nije u redu.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
00:32
That's not good. Hi. Yeah. Real bad. Don't even look at me. (Laughter)
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To nije dobro. Zdravo. Da. Veoma loše.
Nemojte me ni gledati. (smijeh)
Nemojte me ni gledati. (smijeh)
00:37
I am one of the one in four. Thank you.
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Ja sam jedna od one jedne u četiri.
Hvala vam.
Hvala vam.
00:42
I think I inherit it from my mother, who,
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Mislim da sam to naslijedila
od moje majke, koja,
od moje majke, koja,
00:45
used to crawl around the house on all fours.
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je puzala po kući četveronoške.
00:48
She had two sponges in her hand, and then she had two
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Imala je dvije spužve na rukama, i dvije
00:51
tied to her knees. My mother was completely absorbent. (Laughter)
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zavezane na koljenima.
Moja majka je sve upijala. (smijeh)
Moja majka je sve upijala. (smijeh)
00:56
And she would crawl around behind me going,
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Puzala bi za mnom i ponavljala:
00:58
"Who brings footprints into a building?!"
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''Ko još hoda po zgradi?''
01:02
So that was kind of a clue that things weren't right.
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To je zapravo bio znak
da nešto nije u redu.
da nešto nije u redu.
01:04
So before I start, I would like to thank
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Prije nego što počnem,
želim da se zahvalim
želim da se zahvalim
01:09
the makers of Lamotrigine, Sertraline, and Reboxetine,
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tvorcima Lamotrigina,
Sertralina i Reboxetina,
Sertralina i Reboxetina,
01:14
because without those few simple chemicals, I would not be vertical today.
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bez tih prostih hemikalija,
ja danas ne bi bila na nogama.
ja danas ne bi bila na nogama.
01:19
So how did it start?
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Kako je počelo?
01:24
My mental illness -- well, I'm not even going to talk about my mental illness.
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Moja mentalna bolest
-- pa o njoj neću ni govoriti.
-- pa o njoj neću ni govoriti.
01:28
What am I going to talk about? Okay.
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O čemu ću govoriti? U redu.
01:30
I always dreamt that, when I had my final breakdown,
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Stalno sam sanjala
da će se moj konačni nervni slom
da će se moj konačni nervni slom
01:34
it would be because I had a deep Kafkaesque
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desiti zbog dubokog kafkijanskog
01:37
existentialist revelation,
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egzistencialnog otkrivenja,
01:39
or that maybe Cate Blanchett would play me and she would win an Oscar for it. (Laughter)
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ili da će me Cate Blanchett glumiti
i da će osvojiti Oskara za to. (smijeh)
i da će osvojiti Oskara za to. (smijeh)
01:44
But that's not what happened. I had my breakdown
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Ali to se nije desilo.
Nervni slom sam doživjela
Nervni slom sam doživjela
01:47
during my daughter's sports day.
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u toku sportskog dana u školi moje kćerke.
01:49
There were all the parents sitting in a parking lot
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Svi roditelji su sjedili na parkingu,
01:53
eating food out of the back of their car -- only the English --
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jeli su hranu iz gepeka -- samo Englezi --
01:57
eating their sausages. They loved their sausages. (Laughter)
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jeli su svoje kobasice.
Voljeli su svoje kobasice. (smijeh)
Voljeli su svoje kobasice. (smijeh)
02:03
Lord and Lady Rigor Mortis were nibbling on the tarmac,
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Lord i lejdi Mrtvačka Ukočenost
nabadali su sa asfalta,
nabadali su sa asfalta,
02:07
and then the gun went off and all the girlies started running,
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začuo se pištolj
i sve djevojke su počele trčati,
i sve djevojke su počele trčati,
02:10
and all the mummies went, "Run! Run Chlamydia! Run!" (Laughter)
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a mame su vikale:
''Trči! Trči Klamidija! Trči!'' (smijeh)
''Trči! Trči Klamidija! Trči!'' (smijeh)
02:15
"Run like the wind, Veruca! Run!"
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''Trči poput vjetra, Veruca! Trči!''
02:19
And all the girlies, girlies running, running, running,
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I sve djevojčice su
trčale, trčale, trčale,
trčale, trčale, trčale,
02:21
everybody except for my daughter, who was just standing
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sve osim moje kčerke,
koja je stajala
koja je stajala
02:24
at the starting line, just waving,
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na startu, i mahala,
02:27
because she didn't know she was supposed to run.
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jer nije znala da treba da trči.
02:30
So I took to my bed for about a month, and when I woke up
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Završila sam u krevetu na oko
mjesec dana, i kada sam se probudila
mjesec dana, i kada sam se probudila
02:34
I found I was institutionalized, and when I saw the other inmates,
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saznala sam da sam u bolnici,
i kada sam vidjela ostale ukućanine,
i kada sam vidjela ostale ukućanine,
02:38
I realized that I had found my people, my tribe. (Laughter)
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shvatila sam da sam pronašla moj narod,
moje pleme. (smijeh)
moje pleme. (smijeh)
02:43
Because they became my only friends, they became my friends,
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Jer postali su mi jedini prijatelji,
postali su mi prijatelji,
postali su mi prijatelji,
02:46
because very few people that I knew -- Well, I wasn't
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pošto mi ono malo poznanika
-- znate, nisu mi
-- znate, nisu mi
02:49
sent a lot of cards or flowers. I mean, if I had had a broken leg
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slali mnogo razglednica ili cvijeća.
Mislim, da sam polomila nogu
Mislim, da sam polomila nogu
02:53
or I was with child I would have been inundated,
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ili da sam bila trudna
ugnjavili bi me pažnjom,
ugnjavili bi me pažnjom,
02:55
but all I got was a couple phone calls telling me to perk up.
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ali ovako sam dobila samo par telefonskih
poziva u kojima su mi rekli da živnem.
poziva u kojima su mi rekli da živnem.
02:59
Perk up.
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Da živnem.
03:00
Because I didn't think of that. (Laughter)
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Jer se sama nisam sjetila toga.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
03:05
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(smijeh)
(aplauz)
(aplauz)
03:08
Because, you know, the one thing, one thing that you get with this disease,
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Jer, vidite, ono što dobijete
uz ovu bolest,
uz ovu bolest,
03:13
this one comes with a package, is you get a real sense of shame,
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što ide u paketu,
jeste pravi osjećaj srama,
jeste pravi osjećaj srama,
03:16
because your friends go, "Oh come on, show me the lump,
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jer prijatelji vam govore:
''Pokaži mi oteklinu,
''Pokaži mi oteklinu,
03:19
show me the x-rays," and of course you've got nothing to show,
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pokaži mi rentgen''.
Naravno, nemate im šta pokazati,
Naravno, nemate im šta pokazati,
03:21
so you're, like, really disgusted with yourself because you're thinking,
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i onda se gadite sami sebi
jer razmišljate:
jer razmišljate:
03:24
"I'm not being carpet-bombed. I don't live in a township."
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''Nisam zasuta minama.
Ne živim u predgrađu.''
Ne živim u predgrađu.''
03:27
So you start to hear these abusive voices, but you don't hear one abusive voice,
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Počinjete da čujete glasove,
ali ne jedan glas,
ali ne jedan glas,
03:31
you hear about a thousand -- 100,000 abusive voices,
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vec čujete ih oko 1.000,
100.000 pogrdnih glasova,
100.000 pogrdnih glasova,
03:33
like if the Devil had Tourette's, that's what it would sound like.
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da đavo ima Turetov sindrom,
tako bi to zvučalo.
tako bi to zvučalo.
03:37
But we all know in here, you know, there is no Devil,
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Ali svi mi ovdje znamo da Đavo ne postoji
03:40
there are no voices in your head.
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da nema glasova u glavi.
03:42
You know that when you have those abusive voices,
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Znate kada čujete
te glasove u svojoj glavi
te glasove u svojoj glavi
03:44
all those little neurons get together and in that little gap
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svi ti mali neuroni
se skupe u taj mali prostor
se skupe u taj mali prostor
03:47
you get a real toxic "I want to kill myself" kind of chemical,
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i stvori se veoma opasna
"hoću da se ubijem" hemikalija,
"hoću da se ubijem" hemikalija,
03:50
and if you have that over and over again on a loop tape,
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i ako vam se to ponavlja iznova i iznova
03:53
you might have yourself depression.
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možda dobijete depresiju.
03:55
Oh, and that's not even the tip of the iceberg.
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Ali, to nije vrh ledenog brijega.
03:58
If you get a little baby, and you abuse it verbally,
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Ako dobijete malu bebu
i verbalno je zlostavljate,
i verbalno je zlostavljate,
04:01
its little brain sends out chemicals that are so destructive
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njen mali mozak šalje hemikalije
koje su tako destruktivne
koje su tako destruktivne
04:05
that the little part of its brain that can tell good from bad just doesn't grow,
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da se maleni dio mozga zaslužan
za razlikovanje dobra od zla ne razvije,
za razlikovanje dobra od zla ne razvije,
04:09
so you might have yourself a homegrown psychotic.
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i na taj način dobijate kučno
uzgojenu psihotičnu osobu.
uzgojenu psihotičnu osobu.
04:12
If a soldier sees his friend blown up, his brain goes into
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Ako vojnik vidi da mu prijatelja
raznese eksplozija, njegov mozak je
raznese eksplozija, njegov mozak je
04:15
such high alarm that he can't actually put the experience into words,
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toliko uzbuđen da on zapravo
ne može riječima opisati to iskustvo,
ne može riječima opisati to iskustvo,
04:19
so he just feels the horror over and over again.
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tako da traumu iznova proživljava.
04:22
So here's my question. My question is, how come
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Evo mog pitanja. Moje pitanje je, kako to
04:24
when people have mental damage, it's always an active imagination?
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da se kod ljudi sa mentalnim oštećenjem
uvijek radi o aktivnoj mašti?
uvijek radi o aktivnoj mašti?
04:28
How come every other organ in your body can get sick
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Kako to da se svaki organ
u tijelu može razboljeti
u tijelu može razboljeti
04:31
and you get sympathy, except the brain?
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i izazvati saosjećanje, osim mozga?
04:34
I'd like to talk a little bit more about the brain,
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Želim malo da govorim o mozgu,
04:37
because I know you like that here at TED,
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jer znam da to volite ovdje na TED-u,
04:39
so if you just give me a minute here, okay.
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pa me saslušajte minut, može.
04:42
Okay, let me just say, there's some good news.
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U redu, samo da vam kažem
da ima dobrih vijesti.
da ima dobrih vijesti.
04:44
There is some good news. First of all, let me say,
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Ima dobrih vijesti.
Kao prvo, da kažem
Kao prvo, da kažem
04:47
we've come a long, long way.
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da smo prešli dug, dug put.
04:50
We started off as a teeny, teeny little one-celled amoeba,
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Počeli smo kao malena jednoćelijska ameba,
04:54
tiny, just sticking onto a rock, and now, voila, the brain.
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malena, zaljepljena za stijenu,
a danas je to mozak.
a danas je to mozak.
04:58
Here we go. (Laughter)
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Pogledajte.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
05:00
This little baby has a lot of horsepower.
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Ova mala beba je veoma snažna.
05:03
It comes completely conscious. It's got state-of-the-art lobes.
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Dolazi potpuno svjesna.
Ima najmodernije režnjeve.
Ima najmodernije režnjeve.
05:07
We've got the occipital lobe so we can actually see the world.
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Tu nam je čeoni režanj
da možemo vidjeti svijet.
da možemo vidjeti svijet.
05:11
We got the temporal lobe so we can actually hear the world.
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Tu nam je sljepoočni režanj
da možemo čuti svijet.
da možemo čuti svijet.
05:13
Here we've got a little bit of long-term memory,
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Ovdje imamo malo
dugoročnog pamćenja,
dugoročnog pamćenja,
05:15
so, you know that night you want to forget, when you got really drunk? Bye-bye! Gone. (Laughter)
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znate, ona noć kad ste se napili i želite
da je zaboravite? Ćao! Nestala. (smijeh)
da je zaboravite? Ćao! Nestala. (smijeh)
05:20
So actually, it's filled with 100 billion neurons
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U njemu je 100 milijardi neurona
05:23
just zizzing away, electrically transmitting information,
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koji zuje i putem struje
prenose informacije,
prenose informacije,
05:27
zizzing, zizzing. I'm going to give you a little side view here.
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zuje, zuje. Sada ću vam
pokazati pogled sa strane.
pokazati pogled sa strane.
05:29
I don't know if you can get that here. (Laughter)
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Ne znam vidite li odatle.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
05:33
So, zizzing away, and so — (Laughter) —
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Dakle, zuje, i tako -
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
05:37
And for every one — I know, I drew this myself. Thank you.
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I na svaki - znam, crtala sam ovo sama.
Hvala vam.
Hvala vam.
05:41
For every one single neuron, you can actually have
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Na svaki neuron dolazi od
05:44
from 10,000 to 100,000 different connections
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10.000 do 100.000 različitih veza
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or dendrites or whatever you want to call it, and every time
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ili dendrita ili kako god hoćete
da ih zovete, i svaki put
da ih zovete, i svaki put
05:51
you learn something, or you have an experience,
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kad naučite nešto novo,
ili doživite novo iskustvo,
ili doživite novo iskustvo,
05:54
that bush grows, you know, that bush of information.
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taj grm raste, znate,
taj grm informacija.
taj grm informacija.
05:56
Can you imagine, every human being is carrying
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Zamislite, svako živo biće nosi
05:59
that equipment, even Paris Hilton? (Laughter)
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ovu opremu, čak i Paris Hilton?
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
06:04
Go figure.
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Pa vi vidite.
06:06
But I got a little bad news for you folks. I got some bad news.
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Imam i loše vijesti za vas, narode.
Imam neke loše vijesti.
Imam neke loše vijesti.
06:09
This isn't for the one in four. This is for the four in four.
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A one ne važe za jednu od četiri osobe,
već za sve četiri.
već za sve četiri.
06:12
We are not equipped for the 21st century.
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Nismo opremljeni za 21. vijek.
06:16
Evolution did not prepare us for this. We just don't have the bandwidth,
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Evolucija nas nije pripremila za ovo.
Nemamo dovoljan protok informacija,
Nemamo dovoljan protok informacija,
06:20
and for people who say, oh, they're having a nice day,
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a ljudi koji kažu:
"O, uživaju u lijepom danu
"O, uživaju u lijepom danu
06:23
they're perfectly fine, they're more insane than the rest of us.
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sasvim su u redu, oni su
mnogo luđi nego mi ostali.
mnogo luđi nego mi ostali.
06:26
Because I'll show you where there might be a few glitches
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Pokazat ću vam moguće greške
06:29
in evolution. Okay, let me just explain this to you.
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u evoluciji. U redu, da vam objasnim.
06:31
When we were ancient man — (Laughter) —
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Kada smo bili drevni ljudi
-- (smijeh) --
-- (smijeh) --
06:35
millions of years ago, and we suddenly felt threatened
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prije milione godina,
i najednom smo osjetili prijetnju
i najednom smo osjetili prijetnju
06:39
by a predator, okay? — (Laughter) —
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od strane grabljivaca, može?
-- (smijeh) --
-- (smijeh) --
06:42
we would — Thank you. I drew these myself. (Laughter)
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tad bismo - Hvala vam. Sama sam crtala.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
06:45
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. (Applause)
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Hvala vam mnogo. Hvala vam. Hvala vam.
(aplauz)
(aplauz)
06:49
Thank you. Anyway, we would fill up with our own adrenaline
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Hvala vam.
Nego, napunili bismo se našim adrenalinom
Nego, napunili bismo se našim adrenalinom
06:53
and our own cortisol, and then we'd kill or be killed,
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i našim kortizolom,
i onda bismo ubili ili bili ubijeni,
i onda bismo ubili ili bili ubijeni,
06:56
we'd eat or we'd be eaten, and then suddenly we'd de-fuel,
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jeli bi ili bi bili pojedeni,
i odjednom bismo se ispraznili,
i odjednom bismo se ispraznili,
06:59
and we'd go back to normal. Okay.
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i vartili se u normalu. U radu.
07:01
So the problem is, nowadays, with modern man— (Laughter) —
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Problem sa današnjim čovjekom je
-- (smijeh) --
-- (smijeh) --
07:06
when we feel in danger, we still fill up with our own chemical
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kada osjetimo opasnost punimo
našim hemikalijama
našim hemikalijama
07:10
but because we can't kill traffic wardens — (Laughter) —
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ali, pošto ne možemo ubiti saobračajce
-- (smijeh) --
-- (smijeh) --
07:15
or eat estate agents, the fuel just stays in our body
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ili pojesti agente za nekretnine,
hemikalije ostaju u tijelu
hemikalije ostaju u tijelu
iznova i iznova,
tako da smo stalno u uzbuđenom stanju,
tako da smo stalno u uzbuđenom stanju,
07:19
over and over, so we're in a constant state of alarm,
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07:22
a constant state. And here's another thing that happened.
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trajnom stanju. A, evo šta još bude.
07:24
About 150,000 years ago, when language came online,
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Prije 150.000 godina, kada smo progovorili
07:27
we started to put words to this constant emergency,
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ovo trajno stanje smo počeli opisivati,
tako da nije bilo samo:
"Oh moj Bože, eno sabljasti tigar.'',
"Oh moj Bože, eno sabljasti tigar.'',
07:29
so it wasn't just, "Oh my God, there's a saber-toothed tiger,"
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što je i moglo biti,
već se odjednom pojavilo
već se odjednom pojavilo
07:32
which could be, it was suddenly, "Oh my God, I didn't send the email. Oh my God, my thighs are too fat.
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"Oh moj Bože, nisam poslala e-mail.
Oh moj Bože, moje butine su predebele!
Oh moj Bože, moje butine su predebele!
07:36
Oh my God, everybody can see I'm stupid. I didn't get invited to the Christmas party!"
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Oh moj Bože, svi vide da sam glupa.
Nisam pozvana na božićnu zabavu!"
Nisam pozvana na božićnu zabavu!"
07:40
So you've got this nagging loop tape that goes
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U glavi vam je taj dosadni snimak
07:42
over and over again that drives you insane, so,
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koji se ponavlja i ponavlja
i izluđuje vas, vidite,
i izluđuje vas, vidite,
07:45
you see what the problem is? What once made you safe
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u čemu je problem?
Ono što vas je nekad štitilo
Ono što vas je nekad štitilo
07:48
now drives you insane.
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sada vas izluđuje.
07:50
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but somebody has to be.
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Žao mi je što sam glasnik loših vijesti,
ali i to je neko morao biti.
ali i to je neko morao biti.
07:53
Your pets are happier than you are. (Laughter)
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Vaši kućni ljubimci su sretniji od vas.
(smijeh)
(smijeh)
(aplauz)
07:59
(Applause)
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08:02
So kitty cat, meow, happy happy happy, human beings, screwed. (Laughter)
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Mala maca mjau, srećna, srećna,
srećna ljudska bića, propala. (smijeh)
srećna ljudska bića, propala. (smijeh)
08:07
Completely and utterly -- so, screwed.
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Sasvim i do kraja - propala.
08:09
But my point is, if we don't talk about this stuff,
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Hoću da kažem, ako ne pričamo
o ovim stvarima,
o ovim stvarima,
08:12
and we don't learn how to deal with our lives, it's not going
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i ako ne naučimo kako da se nosimo
sa našim životima, neće
sa našim životima, neće
08:14
to be one in four. It's going to be four in four
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biti jedno od četiri.
Već će biti četiri od četiri osobe
Već će biti četiri od četiri osobe
08:16
who are really, really going to get ill in the upstairs department.
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koje će se ozbiljno razboljeti
na gornjem odjelu.
na gornjem odjelu.
08:20
And while we're at it, can we please stop the stigma?
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I kad već pričamo o tome, možemo
li molim vas prestati sa žigosanjem?
li molim vas prestati sa žigosanjem?
08:22
Thank you. (Applause)
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Hvala vam.
(aplauz)
(aplauz)
08:29
(Applause) Thank you.
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(aplauz)
Hvala vam.
Hvala vam.
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Ruby Wax - Comedian and Mental Health ActivistRuby Wax is a loud, funny woman -- who spent much of her comedy career battling depression in silence. Now her work blends mental health advocacy and laughs.
Why you should listen
Winston Churchill called it "the Black Dog" -- a depression that settled over him and drained the flavor from life. Ruby Wax knows the Black Dog well; throughout the '80s and '90s, during a flourishing career as a brash comedian and interviewer in the UK, it trotted at her heels, even while she was interviewing the Duchess of York and sorting through Imelda Marcos' shoes.
After taking a timeout to learn how to manage the condition, Wax produced a stand-up comedy show called "Losing It" that directly addresses her mental health experiences, hilariously but powerfully. And she's started up a new social network called the Black Dog Tribe, which offers a community and support to people with depression. Meanwhile, she's working on her Master's in cognitive therapy.
Also, this year, Ruby was honored as an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) for her mental health work.
As she says: "I've always said to myself, if you've got a disability, use it." Read our Q&A with Ruby Wax >>
Ruby is also a visiting professor at The University of Surrey.
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