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Julie Taymor: Spider-Man, The Lion King and life on the creative edge
Julie Taymor: Spiderman, El Rei lleó i la vida a la vora creativa
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La directriu Julie Taymor relata una vida immersa en teatres i pel·lícules a través d'imatges espectaculars de produccions com Frida, La Tempesta i El Rei Lleó. Filmat quan la controvèrsia sobre la seva producció de Broadway "Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark" estava al seu apogeu, descriu amb franquesa les tensions inherents al seu procés creatiu, mentre s'esforça tant per capturar l'essència d'una història com produir imatges i experiències totalment diferents de la resta.
Julie Taymor - Director, designer
Julie Taymor is a film, theater and opera director. She is known for lavish movies such as Frida and for her hit Broadway musicals, The Lion King and Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark. Full bio
Julie Taymor is a film, theater and opera director. She is known for lavish movies such as Frida and for her hit Broadway musicals, The Lion King and Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark. Full bio
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(Music)
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["Oedipus Rex"]
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["Èdip Rei"]
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["The Lion King"]
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["El rei lleó"]
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["Titus"]
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["Titus"]
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["Frida"]
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["Frida"]
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["The Magic Flute"]
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["La flauta màgica"]
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["Across The Universe"]
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["A través de l'univers"]
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(Applause)
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(Aplaudiments)
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Julie Taymor: Thank you. Thank you very much.
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Julie Taymor: Gràcies, moltes gràcies.
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That's a few samples of the theater, opera
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Aquests són alguns exemples del teatre, l'òpera
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and films that I have done over the last 20 years.
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i les pel·lícules que he fet els darrers 20 anys.
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But what I'd like to begin with right now
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Però m'agradaria començar
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is to take you back to a moment
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explicant-vos una anècdota
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that I went through in Indonesia,
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que vaig viure a Indonèsia
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which is a seminal moment in my life
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i que és un moment important a la meva vida.
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and, like all myths,
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Com els mites,
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these stories need to be retold
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aquestes històries s'han de tornar a explicar
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and told, lest we forget them.
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i a explicar, per a no oblidar-les.
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And when I'm in the turbulent times, as we know,
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Quan em trobo a un moment caòtic, com tots sabem
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that I am right now, through the crucible
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que ara em trobo, pel gresol
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and the fire of transformation,
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i pel foc de la transformació,
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which is what all of you do, actually.
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que en realitat tots vosaltres feu.
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Anybody who creates knows there's that point where
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Les persones que creen saben que hi ha un punt on
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it hasn't quite become the phoenix or the burnt char.
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encara no s'ha convertit en un fènix o en un pollastre massa rostit.
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(Laughter)
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(Rialles)
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And I am right there on the edge,
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I ara em trobo just en aquest punt,
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which I'll tell you about, another story.
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una història que ja us explicaré.
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I want to go back to Indonesia
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Tornem a Indonèsia,
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where I was about 21, 22 years, a long time ago,
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quan tenia uns 21 o 22 anys, fa molt de temps ja,
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on a fellowship.
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on era per una beca.
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And I found myself, after two years there
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Em vaig trobar, després de dos anys
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and performing and learning, on the island of Bali,
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actuant i aprenent, a l'illa de Bali,
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on the edge of a crater, Gunung Batur.
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a la vora d'un cràter, el del Gunung Batur.
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And I was in a village where there was
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Jo estava en un poble on es feia
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an initiation ceremony for the young men,
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una cerimònia d'iniciació per als joves:
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a rite of passage.
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un ritu de pas.
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Little did I know that it was mine as well.
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No sospitava que també era el meu.
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And as I sat in this temple square
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I mentre seia a la plaça del temple
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under this gigantic beringin banyan tree,
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davall d'un banià gegantí,
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in the dark, there was no electricity, just the full moon,
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a la fosca, perquè no hi havia electricitat, només la lluna plena,
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down in this empty square,
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a aquella plaça buida,
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and I heard the most beautiful sounds,
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vaig sentir els sons més bells,
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like a Charles Ives concert
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com si fos un concert de Charles Ives,
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as I listened to the gamelan music
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mentre escoltava la música gamelan
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from all the different villagers that came
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dels diferents aldeans que venien
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for this once-every-five-years ceremony.
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a aquesta cerimònia que es celebra cada cinc anys.
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And I thought I was alone in the dark under this tree.
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Jo em pensava que estava tota sola a la penombra, sota l'arbre.
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And all of a sudden, out of the dark,
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De sobte, des de la penombra,
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from the other end of the square,
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de l'altra punta de la plaça,
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I saw the glint of mirrors lit by the moon.
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vaig veure reflexos de miralls il·luminats per la lluna.
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And these 20 old men who I'd seen before
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I aquests 20 homes vells que ja havia vist abans
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all of a sudden stood up in these full warrior costumes
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eren allà drets i completament vestits com a guerrers
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with the headdress and the spears,
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amb lligadures i llances;
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and no one was in the square, and I was hidden in the shadows.
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i no hi havia ningú a la plaça, doncs jo estava amagada a l'ombra.
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No one was there, and they came out,
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Tot i que no hi havia ningú, ells van sortir
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and they did this incredible dance.
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i van dansar d'una forma meravellosa.
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"Huhuhuhuhuhuhuhahahahaha."
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"Uuu-uuu-aaa-aaa."
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And they moved their bodies and they came forward,
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Movien els seus cossos, caminaven cap endavant
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and the lights bounced off these costumes.
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i la llum rebotava dels seus vestits.
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And I've been in theater since I was 11 years old,
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He estat al món del teatre des que tenia 11 anys,
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and performing, creating, and I went,
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actuant i creant, i vaig pensar
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"Who are they performing for
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"Per a qui actuen
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with these elaborate costumes,
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amb aquests vestits tan elaborats
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these extraordinary headdresses?"
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i aquestes extraordinàries lligadures?".
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And I realized that they were performing for God,
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Vaig adonar-me que ho feien per a Déu,
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whatever that means.
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signifiqui el que signifiqui.
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But somehow, it didn't matter about the publicity.
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D'alguna manera, la publicitat no importava,
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There was no money involved.
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no era un assumpte de diners.
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It wasn't going to be written down. It was no news.
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Ningú no ho escriuria. No seria notícia.
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And there were these incredible artists
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I allà estaven aquests increïbles artistes
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that felt for me like an eternity as they performed.
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em va semblar etern mentre actuaven
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The next moment,
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Tot d'una,
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as soon as they finished and disappeared into the shadows,
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De seguida que van acabar i van desaparèixer entre les ombres,
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a young man with a propane lantern came on,
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un noi va sortir amb un fanal de propà,
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hung it up on a tree, set up a curtain.
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el va penjar a un arbre i va col·locar un teló.
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The village square was filled with hundreds of people.
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A la plaça del poble hi havia centenars de persones.
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And they put on an opera all night long.
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I van representar una òpera durant tota la nit.
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Human beings needed the light.
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Les persones necessitaven llum,
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They needed the light to see.
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la necessitaven per veure-hi.
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So what I gained and gathered from this incredible,
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El que vaig aprendre d'aquest moment tan increïble
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seminal moment in my life as a young artist
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i important a la meva vida com a jove artista
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was that you must be true
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va ser que has de mantenir-te sempre fidel
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to what you believe as an artist all the way through,
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a allò que tu creus com a artista fins al final;
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but you also have to be aware
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però alhora has de tenir en compte
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that the audience is out there in our lives at this time,
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que en aquest instant el públic forma part de les nostres vides
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and they also need the light.
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i també necessiten llum.
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And it's this incredible balance
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I és aquest fabulós equilibri
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that I think that we walk
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que jo crec que trobem
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when we are creating something that is breaking ground,
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quan les nostres creacions trenquen els esquemes,
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that's trying to do something you've never seen before,
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intenten dur a terme coses que no has vist mai,
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that imaginary world
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com aquell món imaginari
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where you actually don't know where you're going to end up,
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on no saps realment on acabaràs...
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that's the fine line on the edge of a crater
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Aquesta és la petita frontera a la vora del cràter
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that I have walked my whole life.
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per on he caminat sempre.
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What I would like to do now is to tell you
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Ara m'agradaria fer-vos
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a little bit
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cinc cèntims
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about how I work. Let's take "The Lion King."
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de com treballo. Posem d'exemple "El rei lleó".
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You saw many examples of my work up there,
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Heu vist molts exemples de la meva feina,
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but it's one that people know.
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però aquesta obra la coneix tothom.
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I start with the notion of the ideograph.
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Vaig començar amb el concepte de la ideografia,
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An ideograph is like a brush painting, a Japanese brush painting.
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que s'assembla a les pintures amb brotxa japoneses:
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Three strokes, you get the whole bamboo forest.
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tens un bosc de bambú amb només tres pinzellades.
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I go to the concept of "The Lion King"
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Després vaig pensar en el concepte de "El rei lleó"
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and I say, "What is the essence of it?
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i vaig dir "Quina és la seva essència?
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What is the abstraction?
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L'abstracció?
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If I were to reduce this entire story
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Si hagués de reduir la història sencera
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into one image, what would it be?"
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a una imatge, quina seria?".
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The circle. The circle. It's so obvious.
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El cercle. El cercle. És molt obvi.
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The circle of life. The circle of Mufasa's mask.
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El cercle de la vida, el cercle de la màscara del Mufasa.
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The circle that, when we come to Act II and there's a drought,
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Quan arribem al segon acte i hi ha la sequera,
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how do you express drought?
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com la representes?
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It's a circle of silk on the floor
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És un cercle de seda al terra
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that disappears into the hole in the stage floor.
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que desapareix pel forat de l'escenari.
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The circle of life comes in the wheels
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El cercle de la vida és a les rodes
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of the gazelles that leap.
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de les gaseles que salten.
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And you see the mechanics.
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Hi veus la mecànica.
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And being a theater person, what I know and love about the theater
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El que sé i més m'estimo del teatre
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is that when the audience comes in
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és que quan el públic entra
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and they suspend their disbelief,
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i deixa de banda el seu escepticisme
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when you see men walking or women walking
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quan veuen homes i dones caminant
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with a platter of grass on their heads,
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amb un plat d'herba al cap,
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you know it's the savanna.
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ja saben que és la sabana.
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You don't question that.
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Ningú no s'ho qüestiona.
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I love the apparent truth of theater.
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M'encanta la realitat aparent del teatre,
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I love that people are willing to fill in the blanks.
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m'encanta que la gent vulgui emplenar els espais en blanc.
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The audience is willing to say,
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El públic té ganes de dir
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"Oh, I know that's not a real sun.
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"Oh, sé que no és un Sol de veritat".
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You took pieces of sticks.
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Agafes uns quants pals
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You added silk to the bottom.
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hi afegeixes seda a la part inferior,
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You suspended these pieces. You let it fall flat on the floor.
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ho penges i ho deixes caure pla al terra,
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And as it rises with the strings, I see that it's a sun.
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quan ho pugin amb les cordes, veuràs un Sol.
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But the beauty of it is that it's just silk and sticks.
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La seva bellesa, però, és que només són pals i seda.
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And in a way, that is what makes it spiritual.
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D'alguna manera, això és el que ho fa espiritual,
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That's what moves you.
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el que t'emociona.
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It's not the actual literal sunrise that's coming.
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No és el trenc d'alba real que sorgeix,
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It's the art of it.
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sinó el seu art.
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So in the theater, as much as the story is critical
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Al teatre, així com la històra, el llibre i
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and the book and the language,
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l'idioma són fonamentals,
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the telling of the story, how it's told,
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la manera d'explicar la història,
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the mechanics, the methods that you use,
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la mecànica i els mètodes que fem servir
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is equal to the story itself.
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són iguals que la història mateixa.
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And I'm one who loves high tech and low tech.
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I jo sóc d'aquestes que els agrada l'alta i la baixa tecnologia,
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So I could go from --
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així que podria emprar...
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For instance, I'll show you some "Spider-Man" later,
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Per exemple, després us mostraré algunes seqüències de "Spiderman",
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these incredible machines that move people along.
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unes màquines sensacionals que mouen la gent.
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But the fact is, without the dancer
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El fet és que, sense el ballarí
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who knows how to use his body and swing on those wires,
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que sap com utilitzar el seu cos i balancejar-se amb els cables,
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it's nothing.
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no seria res.
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So now I'm going to show you
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Vaig a mostrar-vos ara
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some clips from the other big project of my life this year,
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alguns fragments d'un altre gran projecte meu d'enguany:
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"The Tempest."
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"La tempesta".
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It's a movie. I did "The Tempest" on a stage three times
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És una pel·lícula. La vaig representar tres cops
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in the theater since 1984, '86,
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al teatre, des de 1984 al 1986,
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and I love the play.
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i m'encanta l'obra.
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I did it always with a male Prospero.
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Sempre ho havia fet amb home interpretant Pròsper.
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And all of a sudden, I thought,
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Però de sobte se'm va ocórrer
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"Well, who am I gonna get to play Prospero?
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"Bé, i qui farà de Pròsper?
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Why not Helen Mirren? She's a great actor. Why not?"
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Per què no la Helen Mirren? És una gran actriu. Per què no?".
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And this material really did work for a woman equally as well.
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El material també servia per a una dona.
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So now, let's take a look at some of the images
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I ara, anem a mirar algunes de les imatges
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from "The Tempest."
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de "La tempesta".
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(Music)
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(Música)
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(Video) Prospera: Hast thou, spirit, performed to the point the tempest that I bade thee?
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(Vídeo) Pròspera: Esperit, heu dut a terme fidelment la tempesta que us demangué?
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Ariel: I boarded the king's ship. In every cabin, I flamed amazement.
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Ariel: Sóc a la nau reial. A cada cabina, flamejo esglai.
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Prospera: At first sight, they have changed eyes.
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Pròspera: A primera vista s'han 'enamorat.
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Miranda: Do you love me?
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Miranda: M'estimeu?
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Ferdinand: Beyond all limit.
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Ferdinand: Més enllà dels límits.
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HM: They are both in either's powers.
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Pròspera: Estàn l'un al poder de l'altre.
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Trinculo: Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.
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Tríncul: La desgràcia ens fa conéixer estranys companys.
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(Music)
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(Música)
09:26
Looking for business, governor?
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Cerqueu diversió, governador?
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Caliban: Hast thou not dropped from heaven?
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Caliban: No heu caigut del cel?
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Stephano: Out of the moon, I do assure thee.
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Esteve: De la lluna, us ho juro.
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Prospera: Caliban!
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Pròspera: Caliban!
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Caliban: This island is mine.
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Caliban: Aquesta illa és meva.
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Prospera: For this, be sure, tonight thou shalt have cramps.
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Pròspera: Per això, no en dubteu, aquesta nit tindreu rampes.
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Antonio: Here lies your brother no better than the earth he lies upon.
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Antoni: El teu germà no val més que la terra sobre la que jeu.
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Sebastian: Draw thy sword.
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Sebastià: Desembeina l'espasa!
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And I, the king, shall love thee.
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I jo, el rei, us estimaré.
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Prospera: I will plague them all, even to roaring.
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Pròspera: Els turmentaré a tots, fins que bramin.
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Ariel: I have made you mad.
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Ariel: Us he tornat folls.
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Prospera: We are such stuff as dreams are made on.
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Pròspera: Som de la mateixa substància que els somnis
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and our little life is rounded with a sleep.
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i la nostra breu vida acaba amb un descans.
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(Music)
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(Música)
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JT: Okay.
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Julie Taymor: Bé.
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(Applause)
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(Aplaudiments)
10:28
So I went from theater, doing "The Tempest"
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Així que vaig passar del teatre, de fer "La tempesta"
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on the stage in a very low-budget production
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a un escenari i amb una producció de baix pressupost,
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many years ago,
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fa molts anys ja.
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and I love the play, and I also think
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És una obra que m'encanta i em sembla
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it's Shakespeare's last play,
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que era la última que va fer Shakespeare
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and it really lends itself, as you can see, to cinema.
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i que, com podeu comprovar, funciona molt bé al cinema.
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But I'm just going to give you a little example about
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Us posaré un petit exemple de
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how one stages it in theater
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com es representa a un teatre
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and then how one takes that same idea or story
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i després com s'agafa la mateixa idea o història
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and moves it into cinema.
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i es plasma a la pantalla gran.
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The ideograph that I talked to you about before,
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Quina seria la ideografia de què us he parlat abans
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what is it for "The Tempest"?
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per a "La tempesta"?
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What, if I were to boil it down,
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Si ho haguéssim de resumir,
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would be the one image that I could
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quina seria la imatge que
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hang my hat on for this?
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ho abastaria tot?
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And it was the sand castle,
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I va ser el castell de sorra,
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the idea of nurture versus nature,
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la idea de la pregunta : s'hi neix o s'hi fa?
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that we build these civilizations --
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doncs construïm aquestes societats,
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she speaks about it at the end, Helen Mirren's Prospera --
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--la Pròspera de Helen Mirren en parla al final--
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we build them, but under nature, under the grand tempest,
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les construïm a la natura, sota la gran tempesta,
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these cloud-capped towers, these gorgeous palaces will fade
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aquestes torres que arriben als núvols i els bells palaus
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and there will -- leave not a rack behind.
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desapareixeran i res no quedarà.
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So in the theater, I started the play,
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Així doncs al teatre, vaig començar l'obra
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it was a black sand rake, white cyc,
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amb un duna de sorra negra, un ciclorama blanc,
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and there was a little girl, Miranda, on the horizon,
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i una nena, la Miranda, a la vista,
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building a drip castle, a sand castle.
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que feia un castell de sorra.
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And as she was there on the edge of that stage,
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I mentre ella era allà, a la vora de l'escenari,
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two stagehands all in black
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dos tramoistes vestits de negre
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with watering cans ran along the top
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i amb regadores corrien per la part superior
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and started to pour water on the sand castle,
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vessant aigua damunt del castell,
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and the sand castle started to drip and sink,
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que començava a desfer-se;
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but before it did,
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però abans d'això,
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the audience saw the black-clad stagehands.
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el públic havia vist els tramoistes de negre.
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The medium was apparent. It was banal. We saw it.
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La tècnica era òbvia, banal: la vèiem.
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But as they started to pour the water,
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Però quan començaven a vessar l'aigua,
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the light changed from showing you the black-clad stagehands
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la llum canviava de mostrar els tramoistes de negre
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to focusing, this rough magic that we do in theater,
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a centrar-se, amb aquesta màgia que fem al teatre,
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it focused right on the water itself.
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en l'aigua mateixa.
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And all of a sudden, the audience's perspective changes.
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I tot d'una, la perspectiva del públic canvia:
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It becomes something magically large.
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es transforma en quelcom màgicament gran,
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It becomes the rainstorm.
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es transforma en la tempesta.
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The masked actors, the puppeteers, they disappear,
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Els actors amb màscares i els titellaires desapareixen
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and the audience makes that leap into this world,
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mentre el públic es fica en aquest món,
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into this imaginary world of "The Tempest" actually happening.
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en aquest món imaginari on "La tempesta" ocorre de debò.
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Now the difference
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La diferència
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when I went and did it in the cinema,
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és que quan la vaig adaptar,
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I started the actual movie
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la pel·lícula començava
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with a close-up of a sand castle, a black sand castle,
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amb un primer pla del castell de sorra, de sorra negra.
12:59
and what cinema can do is,
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Al cinema pots
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by using camera, perspective,
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jugar amb la càmera i la perspectiva
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and also long shots and close-ups,
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i també amb plans generals i primers plans.
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it started on a close-up of the sand castle,
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Començava amb un primer pla del castell de sorra
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and as it pulled away,
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i, quan s'allunyava,
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you saw that it was a miniature sitting in the palm
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podies veure que era una miniatura a la palma
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of the girl's hands.
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de la mà de la nena.
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And so I could play with the medium,
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Podia jugar amb el mitjà;
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and why I move from one medium to another
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precisament, vaig passar d'un a l'altre
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is to be able to do this.
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per poder jugar-hi.
13:23
Now I'm going to take you to "Spider-Man."
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Ara us ensenyaré "Spiderman".
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(Music)
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(Música)
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(Video) Peter Parker: ♪ Standing on the precipice,
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(Vídeo) Peter Parker: ♪ A la vora del precipici,
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I can soar away from this. ♪
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puc volar lluny d'aquí. ♪
14:04
JT: We're trying to do everything in live theater
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Julie Taymor: Tractem de fer en teatre en viu
14:06
that you can't do in two dimensions
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tot allò que no podem en dues dimensions:
14:08
in film and television.
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a les pel·lícules i a la televisió.
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PP: ♪ Rise above yourself and take control. ♪
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Peter P.: ♪ Vola més alt i pren el control. ♪
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George Tsypin: We're looking at New York from a Spider-Man point of view.
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George Tsypin: Mirem Nova York des del punt de vista de l'home-aranya.
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Spider Man is not bound by gravity.
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Spiderman no està lligat a les lleis de la gravetat
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Manhattan in the show is not bound by gravity either.
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i, a l'espectacle, Manhattan tampoc hi està.
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PP: ♪ Be yourself and rise above it all. ♪
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Peter P.: ♪ Sigues tu mateix i aixeca't per damunt de tot. ♪
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Ensemble: ♪ Sock! Pow! ♪
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Junts: ♪ Bum! Bum! ♪
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♪ Slam! Scratch! ♪
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♪ Plam! Plam! ♪
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Danny Ezralow: I don't want you to even think there's a choreographer.
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Danny Ezralow: Ni tan sols vull que penseu que hi ha una coreografia.
14:36
It's real, what's happening.
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El que passa és real.
14:37
I prefer you to see people moving,
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Vull que vegeu gent que es mou
14:40
and you're going, "Whoa, what was that?"
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i que digueu "Oh, què ha estat això?"
14:42
(Music)
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(Música)
14:55
JT: If I give enough movement in the sculpture,
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Julie Taymor: Si li donem moviment a l'escultura
14:57
and the actor moves their head, you feel like it's alive.
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i l'actor mou el cap, sents com si fos viu.
15:00
It's really comic book live. It's a comic book coming alive.
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És com un còmic viu; és un còmic amb vida.
15:03
(Music)
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(Música)
15:10
Bono: They're mythologies.
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Bono: Són mites.
15:11
They're modern myths, these comic book heroes.
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Els còmics d'herois són mites moderns.
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PP: ♪ They believe. ♪
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Peter P.: ♪ Ells hi creuen. ♪
15:21
(Screams)
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(Crits)
15:25
(Music)
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(Música)
15:42
(Applause)
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(Aplaudiments)
15:45
JT: Ohhhh. What was that?
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Julie Taymor: Oh, què ha estat això?
15:49
Circus, rock 'n' roll, drama.
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Circ, rock i teatre.
15:51
What the hell are we doing up there on that stage?
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Què punyetes fem a l'escenari?
15:54
Well, one last story, very quickly.
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Bé, una darrera història, molt ràpidament.
15:57
After I was in that village, I crossed the lake,
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Després de passar per aquell poble, vaig travessar el llac
16:00
and I saw that the volcano was erupting
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i vaig veure des de l'altra punta
16:03
on the other side, Gunung Batur,
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que el volcà, el G. Batur, entrava en erupció.
16:05
and there was a dead volcano next to the live volcano.
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Al costat del volcà actiu n'hi havia un d'inactiu.
16:08
I didn't think I'd be swallowed by the volcano,
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No vaig pensar que el volcà se m'empassaria,
16:10
and I am here.
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i sóc aquí ara mateix,
16:11
But it's very easy to climb up, is it not?
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però és molt fàcil pujar-hi, oi?
16:15
You hold on to the roots,
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T'aferres a les arrels,
16:17
you put your foot in the little rocks
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poses els peus a les pedretes
16:20
and climb up there, and you get to the top,
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i puges fins a dalt de tot.
16:23
and I was with a good friend who was an actor,
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Jo estava amb un bon amic meu que era actor
16:25
and we said, "Let's go up there.
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i vam decidir "Pugem-hi.
16:27
Let's see if we can come close to the edge
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Aviam si ens podem apropar a la vora
16:29
of that live volcano."
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del volcà actiu."
16:31
And we climbed up and we got to the very top,
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Varem pujar fins al cim
16:34
and we're on the edge, on this precipice,
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i érem a la vora, al precipici.
16:36
Roland disappears into the sulfur smoke
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El Roland va desaparèixer entre el fum sulfúric
16:39
at the volcano at the other end,
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a l'altre costat del volcà
16:41
and I'm up there alone
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i jo estava tota sola
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on this incredible precipice.
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davant l'enorme precipici.
16:45
Did you hear the lyrics?
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Heu sentit la cançó?
16:47
I'm on the precipice looking down
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Sóc al precipici mirant cap avall;
16:49
into a dead volcano to my left.
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a la meva esquerra, un volcà inactiu;
16:52
To my right is sheer shale. It's coming off.
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a la meva dreta, esquist escarpat que es desprèn.
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I'm in thongs and sarongs. It was many years ago.
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Anava amb xancles i amb pareo. Va ser fa molts d'anys.
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And no hiking boots.
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No tenia botes de muntanya,
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And he's disappeared, this mad French gypsy actor,
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I ell havia desaparegut, el boig actor gitano francès,
17:05
off in the smoke, and I realize,
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entre el fum i em vaig adonar
17:08
I can't go back the way that I've come. I can't.
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que no podia tornar-hi com hi havia vingut. No podia,
17:12
So I throw away my camera. I throw away my thongs,
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així que vaig llençar la meva càmera i les xancles.
17:17
and I looked at the line straight in front of me,
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Vaig mirar al camí que tenia al davant
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and I got down on all fours like a cat,
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i em vaig posar a quatre grapes, com un gat.
17:24
and I held with my knees to either side
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Amb els genolls m'aferrava a cada banda
17:27
of this line in front of me,
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d'aquest camí davant meu durant quasi
17:29
for 30 yards or 30 feet, I don't know.
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10 o 30 metres, no ho sé pas.
17:32
The wind was massively blowing,
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El vent bufava amb molt força
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and the only way I could get to the other side
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i l'única manera d'arribar a l'altre costat
17:38
was to look at the line straight in front of me.
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era mirant el camí que tenia just al davant.
17:41
I know you've all been there.
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Ja sé que tots ho heu passat.
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I'm in the crucible right now.
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Sóc al gresol ara mateix;
17:45
It's my trial by fire.
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és la meva prova de foc,
17:47
It's my company's trials by fire.
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és la prova de foc de la companyia.
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We survive because our theme song is "Rise Above."
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Sobrevivim perquè la nostra cançó és "Aixeca't".
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Boy falls from the sky, rise above.
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Un noi cau del cel i s'aixeca.
17:56
It's right there in the palm of both of our hands,
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És allà mateix, a la palma de les nostres mans,
17:59
of all of my company's hands.
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de les mans de tota la companyia.
18:00
I have beautiful collaborators, and we as creators
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Tinc uns col·laboradors fantàstics i nosaltres, com a creadors,
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only get there all together.
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només hi arribem junts.
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I know you understand that.
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Sé que ho enteneu,
18:08
And you just stay going forward,
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que seguireu anant cap endavant.
18:10
and then you see this extraordinary thing
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i que us trobareu quelcom d'extraordinari
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in front of your eyes.
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davant vostre.
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Thank you.
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Gràcies.
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(Applause)
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(Aplaudiments)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Julie Taymor - Director, designerJulie Taymor is a film, theater and opera director. She is known for lavish movies such as Frida and for her hit Broadway musicals, The Lion King and Spider-Man: Turn Off the Dark.
Why you should listen
Working in musicals, Shakespeare, film and opera, Julie Taymor is a wildly imaginative and provocative director and designer. She is well known for having translated the film The Lion King to Broadway, a still-running show for which she also designed costumes, masks and puppets -- and won two Tony Awards. (She was the first woman to win a Tony for directing a musical.) She has received multiple awards for her work, and given both MacArthur and Guggenheim fellowships.
In 2005, she worked on a lavish production of Mozart's opera, The Magic Flute, and in 2006 she co-wrote a version of the story of Beowulf, Grendel. Meanwhile, she has developed a fascinating career in the movies. She directed Across the Universe, a romp through the music of the Beatles, Titus, a 1999 adaptation of Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus, and the glorious Frida, the 2002 film about Frida Kahlo for which she received an Oscar nomination. More recently, and most dramatically, Taymor collaborated with musicians from U2 on a Broadway stage version of Marvel Studios' Spider-Man.
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