Gretchen Carlson, David Brooks: Political common ground in a polarized United States
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to this next edition of TED Dialogues.
some bridging here today.
has inspired millions of people
that America is divided,
to be getting worse.
for people on different sides
to each other right now.
is to try to do something about that,
of conversation,
some understanding.
to help us do that.
hammer and tong against each other.
a lot of their working life
or right of the center.
in conservative worldviews, if you like.
what is happening right now,
more connected conversations.
working at Fox News,
and then "The Real Story,"
in filing sexual harassment claims
to his departure from Fox News.
left-leaning readers
some of the right-leaning readers
of some aspects of Trump.
most-read content of the day
and social science
for what's going on.
to Gretchen and David.
voted for Donald Trump.
of reasons, in my mind, why it happened.
of sorts, but it started long ago.
that I would think of --
being done in Washington,
of the population
never listens to them,
of America, not just the coasts,
was listening to their concerns.
would be the main reason.
on Donald Trump becoming president.
I wrote about 30 columns
be the Republican nominee.
and gotten that so wrong,
just out in Trumpworld,
who was going to a funeral for her mom.
being Catholic is we don't have to speak,
because we're not word people."
are word people,
has not been angled toward you,
are out of the labor force
"I'm not the richest person in the world,
and I get some dignity out of that."
or whatever, if you're not rich or famous,
sense of feeling betrayed,
we almost have one success story,
a white-collar job, and you're a success,
voters and still do,
realistic about his failings,
that he would be the nominee,
he did extremely well
extremely well,
it sounded good.
to that simplicity again.
That sounds fantastic."
on my show originally,
was even "The Apprentice,"
one show on TV.
and they'd be like,
the number one show on TV."
the number one show on TV.
this ability in him
to a lot of people on the left
about this for Time Motto,
that lot of people put on blinders,
that policies they believed in
and not being invisible anymore
or acts as a human.
about the disabled reporter,
in that audiotape with Billy Bush
about women --
they hadn't seen that or heard that,
policies were more important.
someone voted for Trump,
that he's said or stood for.
that would say to me,
before the election.
he'd get elected."
there's a trap there,
or just be baffled by the support,
of the unattractive features.
him despite those,
being thrown off in some way
on the left as well -- Bernie Sanders.
that I think we can talk about today,
David -- right?
has been in Congress for a long time,
on the left as well,
of Bernie Sanders.
people who like Bernie Sanders,
but the underpinning was anger.
this narrative, then,
for Trump's victory and his rise
in a very visceral way.
that it's actually more than that,
that's being worked on here.
frankly, I didn't,
versus small government debate.
versus George McGovern,
we had been having for a generation.
government to enhance equality,
to enhance freedom.
the two major parties did not,
the tailwinds of globalization
who feel the headwinds of globalization
just blasting in their faces,
closed borders, closed social mores,
on that fundamental issue,
to overlook a lot to get there.
Trump's joint session speech.
groups in the Republican Party.
as global policeman.
of a single social conservative issue.
on the national debt, Tea Party,
revolutionized a major American party
where the debate was headed
on your insights
in very simple terms
xenophobic, anger-sparking person.
that is perhaps an unfair simplification.
that's probably true, too.
there's the National Front in France,
a Philippine version.
is a global intellectual movement.
in individual conversation and civility
in the enlightenment side of the world do.
is the "volk" -- in the people,
of the plain people.
is always being threatened by outsiders.
for how to get there.
to bring the people up
are Islam, Mexicans, the media,
it's a very coherent worldview.
and I think he's wrong on the substance,
with a set of ideas
of the White House
that the core question of our time now is:
but also have a global mindset?
implacably opposed to each other?
that it's a different category,
and the globalists
as, sort of, not cheering for America,
in your conversations with people,
a huge difference between --
people who live on the coasts.
an understanding of Middle America,
an understanding of what happened here,
like nobody's listening to them,
on California and New York.
why Trump was elected.
they were being heard.
last night are not conservative things.
and given that speech,
stood up to applaud.
a trillion dollars on infrastructure.
maternity leave.
it's not a conservative viewpoint.
was during the campaign,
think they'll react to that?
in Lower Manhattan,
the Strand Bookstore
of the coastal elite, my man.
of the speech last night?
to a more moderate position,
was his best speech,
anything about anything
to see him at his best,
contradiction that he's got to confront,
is offering security.
for you, for my people."
at a lot of his economic policies,
private health care accounts,
Deregulation: that's risk.
between the security of the mindset
which are very risk-oriented.
having spent this year,
in New Mexico --
"No thank you."
will fail for that reason.
you just made of him,
is coming from the same place.
amount of chaos and confusion, but --
to a wide range of voices.
he said last night
to her before that speech.
last night, as opposed to Twitter Trump.
to see if anything's changed."
were expecting last night?
and gives a looking political speech,
on which direction he goes.
to build bridges here,
that may have contempt for Trump,
no, this is a real thing.
showing respect for him,
of his character
and are going to doom him.
as right of center,
with this visceral reaction against him
a conversation?
on evidence so far,
to change the system radically.
and how it's left them out.
a huge government program last night
"stimulus," I find it completely ironic.
on something --
he's a Republican.
who identifies as conservative:
in the limitations of politics.
that human hearts endure,
can cause and cure."
is the moral nature of the society.
character comes first,
the character threshold
of conservative who --
from the heights --
was very future-oriented.
rise to success,
poor boys and girls like him
to create social mobility.
and for Teddy Roosevelt,
was the idea of the future.
and slavery in our past,
Bannon stands for is backwards-looking.
the American identity.
the Russian identity.
and foundational betrayal
like to hear from you,
from some of you, we'll --
to convince progressive friends
what motivates Trump supporters,
trying to understand
as lies, selfishness and hatred.
the Tea Party of the left,
there are commonalities in anger,
both being passionate about something.
the c-word has also become
and the far right,
to even think about it.
of voters, myself included,
that wants to see change
we're trying to bridge.
right now, perhaps especially on the left,
to the great tyranny
is to fight it tooth and nail,
If it means literal fighting, then no.
marching to raise consciousness,
we do it through parties and politics.
are big, diverse, messy coalitions,
morally unsatisfying
a bunch of compromises.
a competition between partial truths.
of the truth in America.
to the right question,
of opiates around the country,
the spread of loneliness,
whose lives are inverted.
doesn't take fighting,
even at the speech,
who came and wore white
to actually get rid of the amendment
that's the right way to fight.
because I was looking in the audience,
who didn't wear white.
that are not necessarily doing that.
questions, to me, is:
but, if you like, are more in the center,
amenable to persuasion --
by seeing a passionate uprising
and push them away?
"Well, you're kind of a bigot,
you're supporting sexism.
from some authoritarian past"?
too persuasive to you.
are persuaded is by:
for the point of view, and saying,
to get you where you need to go."
you've heard over and over again,
I heard it almost on an hourly basis,
"political correctness."
letting us say what we think."
that liberals have fallen into
they really believe in,
of "political correctness."
They have pushed people away.
a lot of the argument, though,
"authoritarianism" --
eight million anti-Trump columns,
for the coastal media,
slightly wrong, we go to 11,
credibility at some point.
and a little too early.
when we really do have to cry wolf.
important things to me
handles Trump.
when things are not true,
in this entire discussion,
followers of somebody
if he tells the truth or not,
media going to respond to it?
of conservative media deal with that
or Charles Krauthammer or George Will.
of institutions further right,
Alex Jones, Laura Ingraham,
his base, not even so much Fox.
is just on this question of the truth.
things to people right now,
nationally, on what is true.
is delivering fake news every day.
some kind of consensus,
media was biased.
between being biased and being fake.
distinction in this conversation.
in the mainstream media.
to try and mend that.
is nuclearizing that and saying,
all of that fake."
to the truth than to any ...
of not supporting something
a correction at some point?
eventually comes out.
has based a lot of his economic policy
have lost manufacturing jobs
by the Chinese.
of the jobs that left.
were replaced by technology.
and all the jobs will come roaring back,"
his supporters think is the truth,
you might say that,
will come back or they will not come back,
will work or it doesn't work,
because of great marketing,
addresses a real problem
the truth will out.
please raise your hand here.
talking to each other more
published on this subject as well,
yes, I live in New York,
the Rust Belt?
Middle America better?
or conversations from Middle America
the so-called coastal elites better?
as being put in a box as a coastal elite
as being considered a flyover state
cheering as you --
who has been conservative
are all on the left.
where the culture is liberal.
it's going to be liberal.
it'll be the New York Times.
to speak both languages.
for a number of years,
with William F. Buckley,
against people every day.
is you have ghettoization on the right
on the right has diminished,
in Minnesota or Iowa or Arizona,
make themselves aware to you,
not get about coastal elites?
with the real problems.
an elitism that is very off-putting.
in this room, for example,
is the same problem with elitism.
social class distinction
to apply in reality.
there are some people in New York
and some people who are pathetic,
are awesome and some people are pathetic.
of what degree you have
in the country.
simplification to arouse political power.
to watch a television news show
that they normally wouldn't.
watch the other side for a day,
to have a conversation.
that's very conservative.
you would normally read,
of what the other side is thinking,
of coming together.
you worry about, these bubbles.
certain entities,
of the world is talking about.
that meets at least once a month
with people completely unlike yourself
a responsibility for.
automotive models in this country,
are all pickup trucks.
do I know who own a pickup truck?
for a lot of people.
kind of a problem.
with a person who drives a pickup truck
interest in whatever?
contributing to this.
of communications,
media and individualized content,
a political divide,
into echo chambers?"
and Google, since the election,
last time round.
promising signs of ...?
of the equation.
argument from the right,
and the internet in general
that were not their worldview.
that's not what I believe."
changed everything,
of Twitter changing absolutely everything.
without a filter,
correctness, and I'm curious:
become synonymous with silencing,
about other people
and preserve their dignity?
really pounded this issue
spent a lot of time
the ability to say what they think.
became so popular:
of people in America
gave them the opportunity
it's a legitimate point of view
in the country,
especially from Britain.
sort of impermissible to say that,
you must be a bigot of some sort.
was not only cracking down on speech
completely offensive,
that was legitimate,
and thought into action
and people thrown out of schools,
that somebody finds offensive,
you can say "You're insulting my group,"
will come down into your dorm room
of what is permissible to say.
should be some social sanction against,
to enforce a political agenda.
if you like -- progressives --
around political correctness
uncomfortable language
won't be so offended?
especially elite universities,
to try to enforce some sort of thought
and correct thought.
of, are we doing that?
the University of Chicago,
we will have no safe spaces.
of micro-aggression.
well, welcome to the world of education.
of people on the left, by the way --
from Karen Holloway:
go back to some fictional past?
in the American dream,
our children is the basics,
whatever you want.
wow, that's maybe not always so true.
for that to continue.
exceeding their parents' salary --
in social mobility in the country.
century has basically been a disaster,
and we're in deep trouble.
in real terms, population-adjusted,
than one percent growth.
that they should take risks,
is a rapid decline in mobility,
across state lines,
among millennials.
from which they can take risk?
theory of raising children,
is based on the motto
of daring adventures from a secure base.
we do not have a secure base,
risk-taking, energetic ethos
there's ground here
a bridging conversation,
that there is this really deep problem
the economic system that we built,
that it's not all about immigrants,
the single most divisive territory
which is around the role of the other.
to have the other demonized
seems to be demonized.
could agree, as you said,
may have happened too fast,
human societies struggle,
becomes de-emphasized
on recognizing that it's real,
probably wasn't properly addressed
how to rebuild communities
the fertile conversation of the future:
in this modern age,
I'm not looking at the facts,
at it from an optimistic point of view --
to say, "Look, the world is dim."
one more question from the room here.
the infrastructure plan and Russia
traditional Republican priorities.
will Republicans be motivated
he's got 85 percent approval,
had at this time,
has just gotten more polarized.
much more than they used to.
and the Republicans in Congress
concerned about reelection,
with getting people either for you
every day, probably:
or should I not?"
sounded presidential,
a sigh of relief today.
until Twitter happens again.
each of you the chance
to -- I don't know --
somewhere in the middle.
or to relate to other people?
tell them that as well.
and coming together starts from the top,
could encourage their leaders
that we could have
to be more inclusive
starts from the top,
people are coming from on the other side.
each other to be civil,
is he smashed our categories.
we were thinking in, they're obsolete.
They're not good for today.
closing borders and closing trade.
communities, recreate jobs,
divisions and our current categories.
on macroeconomic policy,
economy that creates growth.
nurse-family partnerships;
with wraparound programs
of social solidarity in this country
a lot more involved
to rebuild communities.
an economy that's free and open
is how you smash through
ultimately shapes our polarization.
fascinating conversation.
really interesting.
going on Facebook.
of the political spectrum you're on,
in the world you are.
It's about the world, too.
to end today without music,
in every political conversation,
completely different, frankly.
that brings teens together,
and the impact of gospel music,
through this program.
of ending this TED Dialogue
Gospel Choir from Harlem.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Gretchen Carlson - TV journalist, women's empowerment advocateGretchen Carlson is a tireless advocate for workplace equality and women's empowerment.
Why you should listen
Named one of TIME's 100 Most Influential People in the World for 2017, Gretchen Carlson is one of the nation's most highly acclaimed journalists and a warrior for women. In 2016, Carlson became the face of sexual harassment in the workplace after her lawsuit against Fox News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes paved the way for thousands of other women facing harassment to tell their stories. Carlson's advocacy put her on the cover of TIME, and her new book, Be Fierce: Stop Harassment and Take Your Power Back, joined the New York Times best-seller list the week it was published. She became a columnist for TIME's online "Motto" newsletter in 2017, focusing on gender and empowerment issues.
Carlson's ongoing work on behalf of women includes advocating for arbitration reform on Capitol Hill; in 2018, she plans to testify before Congress about workplace inequality and forced arbitration clauses in employment contracts. Carlson also created the Gift of Courage Fund and the Gretchen Carlson Leadership Initiative to support empowerment, advocacy and anti-harassment programs for girls and underserved women.
Carlson hosted "The Real Story" on Fox News for three years; co-hosted "Fox and Friends" for seven years; and in her first book, Getting Real, became a national best-seller. She co-hosted "The Saturday Early Show" for CBS in 2000 and served as a CBS News correspondent covering stories including Geneoa's G-8 Summit, Timothy McVeigh’s execution, 9/11 from the World Trade Center and the Bush-Gore election. She started her reporting career in Richmond, Virginia, then served as an anchor and reporter in Cincinnati, Cleveland and Dallas, where she produced and reported a 30-part series on domestic violence that won several national awards.
An honors graduate of Stanford University, Carlson was valedictorian of her high school class and studied at Oxford University in England. A child prodigy on the violin, she performed as a soloist with the Minnesota Symphony Orchestra at age 13, and in 1989, became the first classical violinist to win the Miss America crown.
Ever grateful for the opportunities provided to her and imbued with a "never give up" attitude, Carlson has mentored dozens of young women throughout her career. She serves as a national trustee for the March of Dimes, a member of the board of directors for the Catherine Violet Hubbard Animal Sanctuary in Newtown, Connecticut and a trustee of Greenwich Academy, an all-girls preparatory day school in Greenwich, Connecticut. Carlson is married to sports agent Casey Close and mom to their two children.
Gretchen Carlson | Speaker | TED.com
Vy Higginsen's Gospel Choir - Gospel ensemble
Vy Higginsen's Gospel Choir of Harlem is an influential source of education and self-development for young people.
Why you should listen
Vy Higginsen's Gospel Choir of Harlem is a celebrated group of performers elevated from the Mama Foundation for the Arts' Music School of Gospel, Jazz and R&B. The Foundation, founded by the writer/producer of Mama, I Want to Sing!, is a highly respected and influential source of education and self-development for young people. The award-winning, nationally recognized program offers performance choirs small, medium, and large and has been seen accompanying many of today's pop icons including Ariana Grande, Chance the Rapper, Pharrell Williams, Alessia Cara and Madonna.
In addition to various performances and collaborations throughout New York City, the choir enjoys weekly performances in Harlem. They can be seen every Sunday headlining Ginny Supper Club's Gospel Brunch at Marcus Samuelson's acclaimed restaurant, Red Rooster, which is ranked one of the top five gospel brunches in the nation. The choir will begin Saturday performances in The Harlem Gospel Concert Series beginning April 15th at The Dempsey Theater in Harlem.
Vy Higginsen's Gospel Choir | Speaker | TED.com
David Brooks - Op-ed columnist
Writer and thinker David Brooks has covered business, crime and politics over a long career in journalism.
Why you should listen
David Brooks became an Op-Ed columnist for The New York Times in September 2003. He is currently a commentator on "The PBS Newshour," NPR’s "All Things Considered" and NBC's "Meet the Press."
He is the author of Bobos in Paradise and The Social Animal. In April 2015, he released with his fourth book, The Road to Character, which was a #1 New York Times bestseller.
Brooks also teaches at Yale University, and is a member of the American Academy of Arts & Sciences.
Born on August 11, 1961 in Toronto, Canada, Brooks graduated a bachelor of history from the University of Chicago in 1983. He became a police reporter for the City News Bureau, a wire service owned jointly by the Chicago Tribune and Sun-Times.
He worked at The Washington Times and then The Wall Street Journal for nine years. His last post at the Journal was as Op-ed Editor. Prior to that, he was posted in Brussels, covering Russia, the Middle East, South Africa and European affairs. His first post at the Journal was as editor of the book review section, and he filled in as the Journal's movie critic.
He also served as a senior editor at The Weekly Standard for 9 years, as well as contributing editor for The Atlantic and Newsweek.
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Chris Anderson - TED Curator
After a long career in journalism and publishing, Chris Anderson became the curator of the TED Conference in 2002 and has developed it as a platform for identifying and disseminating ideas worth spreading.
Why you should listen
Chris Anderson is the Curator of TED, a nonprofit devoted to sharing valuable ideas, primarily through the medium of 'TED Talks' -- short talks that are offered free online to a global audience.
Chris was born in a remote village in Pakistan in 1957. He spent his early years in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, where his parents worked as medical missionaries, and he attended an American school in the Himalayas for his early education. After boarding school in Bath, England, he went on to Oxford University, graduating in 1978 with a degree in philosophy, politics and economics.
Chris then trained as a journalist, working in newspapers and radio, including two years producing a world news service in the Seychelles Islands.
Back in the UK in 1984, Chris was captivated by the personal computer revolution and became an editor at one of the UK's early computer magazines. A year later he founded Future Publishing with a $25,000 bank loan. The new company initially focused on specialist computer publications but eventually expanded into other areas such as cycling, music, video games, technology and design, doubling in size every year for seven years. In 1994, Chris moved to the United States where he built Imagine Media, publisher of Business 2.0 magazine and creator of the popular video game users website IGN. Chris eventually merged Imagine and Future, taking the combined entity public in London in 1999, under the Future name. At its peak, it published 150 magazines and websites and employed 2,000 people.
This success allowed Chris to create a private nonprofit organization, the Sapling Foundation, with the hope of finding new ways to tackle tough global issues through media, technology, entrepreneurship and, most of all, ideas. In 2001, the foundation acquired the TED Conference, then an annual meeting of luminaries in the fields of Technology, Entertainment and Design held in Monterey, California, and Chris left Future to work full time on TED.
He expanded the conference's remit to cover all topics, including science, business and key global issues, while adding a Fellows program, which now has some 300 alumni, and the TED Prize, which grants its recipients "one wish to change the world." The TED stage has become a place for thinkers and doers from all fields to share their ideas and their work, capturing imaginations, sparking conversation and encouraging discovery along the way.
In 2006, TED experimented with posting some of its talks on the Internet. Their viral success encouraged Chris to begin positioning the organization as a global media initiative devoted to 'ideas worth spreading,' part of a new era of information dissemination using the power of online video. In June 2015, the organization posted its 2,000th talk online. The talks are free to view, and they have been translated into more than 100 languages with the help of volunteers from around the world. Viewership has grown to approximately one billion views per year.
Continuing a strategy of 'radical openness,' in 2009 Chris introduced the TEDx initiative, allowing free licenses to local organizers who wished to organize their own TED-like events. More than 8,000 such events have been held, generating an archive of 60,000 TEDx talks. And three years later, the TED-Ed program was launched, offering free educational videos and tools to students and teachers.
Chris Anderson | Speaker | TED.com