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Mark Roth: Suspended animation is within our grasp
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Mark Roth studies suspended animation: the art of shutting down life processes and then starting them up again. It's wild stuff, but it's not science fiction. Induced by careful use of an otherwise toxic gas, suspended animation can potentially help trauma and heart attack victims survive long enough to be treated.
Mark Roth - Biochemist, cell biologist
Mark Roth's research has reawakened an unusual notion from the annals of science: reversible metabolic hibernation. Yes, putting living organisms into suspended animation -- and bringing them back safely. Full bio
Mark Roth's research has reawakened an unusual notion from the annals of science: reversible metabolic hibernation. Yes, putting living organisms into suspended animation -- and bringing them back safely. Full bio
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I'm going to talk to you today about my work on suspended animation.
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Now, usually when I mention suspended animation,
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people will flash me the Vulcan sign and laugh.
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But now, I'm not talking about gorking people out
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to fly to Mars or even Pandora,
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as much fun as that may be.
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I'm talking about
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the concept of using suspended animation
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to help people out in trauma.
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So what do I mean
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when I say "suspended animation"?
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It is the process by which
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animals de-animate,
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appear dead
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and then can wake up again without being harmed.
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OK, so here is the sort of big idea:
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If you look out at nature,
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you find that
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as you tend to see suspended animation,
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you tend to see immortality.
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And so, what I'm going to tell you about
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is a way to tell a person who's in trauma --
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find a way to de-animate them a bit
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so they're a little more immortal
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when they have that heart attack.
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An example of an organism or two
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that happens to be quite immortal
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would be plant seeds
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or bacterial spores.
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These creatures are
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some of the most immortal life forms on our planet,
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and they tend to spend most of their time
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in suspended animation.
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Bacterial spores are thought now by scientists
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to exist as individual cells
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that are alive, but in suspended animation
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for as long as 250 million years.
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To suggest that this all, sort of, about little, tiny creatures,
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I want to bring it close to home.
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In the immortal germ line
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of human beings --
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that is, the eggs that sit in the ovaries --
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they actually sit there in a state of suspended animation
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for up to 50 years in the life of each woman.
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So then there's also my favorite example
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of suspended animation.
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This is Sea-Monkeys.
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Those of you with children,
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you know about them.
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You go to the pet store or the toy store,
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and you can buy these things.
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You just open the bag, and you just dump them
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into the plastic aquarium,
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and in about a week or so, you'll have little shrimps swimming around.
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Well, I wasn't so interested in the swimming.
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I was interested in what was going on in the bag,
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the bag on the toy store shelf
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where those shrimp sat
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in suspended animation indefinitely.
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So these ideas of suspended animation
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are not just about cells and weird, little organisms.
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Occasionally, human beings
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are briefly de-animated,
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and the stories of people who are briefly de-animated
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that interest me the most
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are those having to do with the cold.
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Ten years ago, there was a skier in Norway
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that was trapped in an icy waterfall,
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and she was there for two hours before they extracted her.
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She was extremely cold,
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and she had no heartbeat --
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for all intents and purposes she was dead, frozen.
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Seven hours later,
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still without a heartbeat,
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they brought her back to life, and she went on to be
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the head radiologist
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in the hospital that treated her.
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A couple of years later --
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so I get really excited about these things --
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about a couple of years later,
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there was a 13-month-old, she was from Canada.
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Her father had gone out in the wintertime; he was working night shift,
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and she followed him outside in nothing but a diaper.
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And they found her hours later,
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frozen, lifeless,
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and they brought her back to life.
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There was a 65-year-old woman
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in Duluth, Minnesota last year
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that was found frozen and without a pulse
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in her front yard one morning in the winter,
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and they brought her back to life.
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The next day, she was doing so well, they wanted to run tests on her.
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She got cranky and just went home.
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(Laughter)
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So, these are miracles, right?
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These are truly miraculous things that happen.
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Doctors have a saying
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that, in fact, "You're not dead until you're warm and dead."
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And it's true. It's true.
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In the New England Journal of Medicine,
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there was a study published that showed
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that with appropriate rewarming,
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people who had suffered without a heartbeat for three hours
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could be brought back to life without any neurologic problems.
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That's over 50 percent.
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So what I was trying to do is think of a way
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that we could study
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suspended animation
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to think about a way
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to reproduce, maybe,
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what happened to the skier.
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Well, I have to tell you something very odd,
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and that is that being exposed to low oxygen
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does not always kill.
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So, in this room, there's 20 percent oxygen or so,
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and if we reduce the oxygen concentration,
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we will all be dead.
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And, in fact, the animals we were working with in the lab --
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these little garden worms, nematodes --
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they were also dead when we exposed them to low oxygen.
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And here's the thing that should freak you out.
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And that is that, when we lower the oxygen concentration further
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by 100 times, to 10 parts per million,
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they were not dead,
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they were in suspended animation,
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and we could bring them back to life without any harm.
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And this precise oxygen concentration,
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10 parts per million,
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that caused suspended animation,
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is conserved.
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We can see it in a variety of different organisms.
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One of the creatures we see it in
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is a fish.
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And we can turn its heartbeat on and off by going in and out
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of suspended animation like you would a light switch.
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So this was pretty shocking to me,
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that we could do this.
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And so I was wondering, when we were trying
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to reproduce the work with the skier,
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that we noticed that, of course,
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she had no oxygen consumption,
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and so maybe she was in a similar state of suspended animation.
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But, of course, she was also extremely cold.
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So we wondered what would happen
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if we took our suspended animals and exposed them to the cold.
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And so, what we found out
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was that, if you take animals
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that are animated like you and I,
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and you make them cold -- that is, these were the garden worms --
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now they're dead.
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But if you have them in suspended animation,
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and move them into the cold, they're all alive.
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And there's the very important thing there:
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If you want to survive the cold,
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you ought to be suspended. Right?
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It's a really good thing.
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And so, we were thinking about that,
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about this relationship between these things,
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and thinking about whether or not that's what happened to the skier.
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And so we wondered: Might there be some agent
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that is in us, something that we make ourselves,
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that we might be able to regulate our own metabolic flexibility
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in such a way as to be able to survive
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when we got extremely cold, and might otherwise pass away?
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I thought it might be interesting to sort of hunt for such things.
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You know?
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I should mention briefly here
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that physiology textbooks that you can read about
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will tell you that this is a kind of heretical thing to suggest.
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We have, from the time we are slapped on the butt
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until we take our last dying breath --
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that's when we're newborn to when we're dead --
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we cannot reduce our metabolic rate
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below what's called a standard,
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or basal metabolic rate.
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But I knew that there were examples
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of creatures, also mammals,
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that do reduce their metabolic rate
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such as ground squirrels and bears,
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they reduce their metabolic rate
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in the wintertime when they hibernate.
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So I wondered: Might we be able to find some agent or trigger
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that might induce such a state in us?
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And so, we went looking for such things.
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And this was a period of time when we failed tremendously.
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Ken Robinson is here. He talked about the glories of failure.
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Well, we had a lot of them.
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We tried many different chemicals and agents,
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and we failed over and over again.
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So, one time, I was at home
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watching television on the couch
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while my wife was putting our child to bed,
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and I was watching a television show.
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It was a television show --
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it was a NOVA show on PBS --
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about caves in New Mexico.
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And this particular cave was Lechuguilla,
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and this cave is incredibly toxic to humans.
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The researchers had to suit up just to enter it.
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It's filled with this toxic gas,
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hydrogen sulfide.
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Now, hydrogen sulfide is curiously present in us.
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We make it ourselves.
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The highest concentration is in our brains.
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Yet, it was used
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as a chemical warfare agent in World War I.
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It's an extraordinarily toxic thing.
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In fact, in chemical accidents,
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hydrogen sulfide is known to --
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if you breathe too much of it, you collapse to the ground,
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you appear dead,
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but if you were brought out into room air, you can be reanimated without harm,
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if they do that quickly.
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So, I thought, "Wow, I have to get some of this."
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(Laughter)
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Now, it's post-9/11 America,
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and when you go into the research institute,
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and you say, "Hi.
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I'd like to buy some concentrated,
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compressed gas cylinders
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of a lethal gas
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because I have these ideas, see,
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about wanting to suspend people.
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It's really going to be OK."
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So that's kind of a tough day,
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but I said, "There really is
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some basis for thinking why you might want to do this."
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As I said, this agent is in us,
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and, in fact, here's a curious thing,
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it binds to the very place inside of your cells
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where oxygen binds, and where you burn it,
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and that you do this burning to live.
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And so we thought, like in a game of musical chairs,
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might we be able to give a person
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some hydrogen sulfide,
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and might it be able to occupy that place
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like in a game of musical chairs where oxygen might bind?
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And because you can't bind the oxygen,
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maybe you wouldn't consume it,
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and then maybe it would reduce your demand for oxygen.
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I mean, who knows?
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So -- (Laughter)
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So, there's the bit about the dopamine
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and being a little bit, what do you call it, delusional,
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and you might suggest that was it.
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And so, we wanted to find out
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might we be able to use
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hydrogen sulfide in the presence of cold,
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and we wanted to see whether we could
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reproduce this skier in a mammal.
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Now, mammals are warm-blooded creatures,
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and when we get cold, we shake and we shiver, right?
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We try to keep our core temperature at 37 degrees
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by actually burning more oxygen.
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So, it was interesting for us
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when we applied hydrogen sulfide
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to a mouse when it was also cold
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because what happened is the core temperature
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of the mouse got cold.
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It stopped moving.
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It appeared dead.
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Its oxygen consumption rate
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fell by tenfold.
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And here's the really important point.
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I told you hydrogen sulfide is in us.
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It's rapidly metabolized,
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and all you have to do after six hours of being
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in this state of de-animation
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is simply put the thing out in room air,
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and it warms up, and it's none the worse for wear.
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Now, this was cosmic.
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Really. Because we had found a way
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to de-animate a mammal,
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and it didn't hurt it.
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Now, we'd found a way to reduce
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its oxygen consumption
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to rock-bottom levels, and it was fine.
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Now, in this state of de-animation,
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it could not go out dancing,
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but it was not dead,
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and it was not harmed.
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So we started to think: Is this the agent
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that might have been present in the skier,
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and might have she had more of it than someone else,
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and might that have been able to reduce
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her demand for oxygen
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before she got so cold that
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she otherwise would have died,
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as we found out with our worm experiments?
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So, we wondered:
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Can we do anything useful
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with this capacity to
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control metabolic flexibility?
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And one of the things we wondered --
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I'm sure some of you out there are economists,
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and you know all about supply and demand.
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And when supply is equal to demand,
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everything's fine,
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but when supply falls,
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in this case of oxygen,
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and demand stays high, you're dead.
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So, what I just told you
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is we can now reduce demand.
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We ought to be able to lower supply
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to unprecedented low levels without killing the animal.
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And with money we got from DARPA,
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we could show just that.
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If you give mice hydrogen sulfide,
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you can lower their demand for oxygen,
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and you can put them into oxygen concentrations
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that are as low as 5,000 feet above the top of Mt. Everest,
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and they can sit there for hours, and there's no problem.
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Well this was really cool.
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We also found out that we could subject animals
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to otherwise lethal blood loss, and we could save them
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if we gave them hydrogen sulfide.
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So these proof of concept experiments
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led me to say "I should found a company,
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and we should take this out to a wider playing field."
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I founded a company called Ikaria
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with others' help.
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And this company, the first thing it did
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was make a liquid formulation of hydrogen sulfide
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an injectable form that we could put in
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and send it out to physician scientists all over the world
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who work on models of critical care medicine,
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and the results are incredibly positive.
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In one model of heart attack,
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animals given hydrogen sulfide
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showed a 70 percent reduction in heart damage
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compared to those who got the standard of care that
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you and I would receive if we were to have a heart attack here today.
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Same is true for organ failure,
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when you have loss of function owing to poor perfusion of kidney, of liver,
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acute respiratory distress syndrome
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and damage suffered in cardiac-bypass surgery.
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So, these are the thought leaders in trauma medicine
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all over the world saying this is true,
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so it seems that exposure to hydrogen sulfide
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decreases damage that you receive
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from being exposed to otherwise lethal-low oxygen.
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And I should say that the concentrations of hydrogen sulfide
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required to get this benefit
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are low, incredibly low.
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In fact, so low that physicians will not have to lower or dim
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the metabolism of people much at all
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to see the benefit I just mentioned,
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which is a wonderful thing, if you're thinking about adopting this.
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You don't want to be gorking people out
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just to save them, it's really confusing.
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(Laughter)
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So, I want to say that we're in human trials.
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Now, and so --
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(Applause)
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Thank you. The Phase 1 safety studies are over,
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and we're doing fine, we're now moved on.
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We have to get to Phase 2 and Phase 3. It's going to take us a few years.
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This has all moved very quickly,
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and the mouse experiments
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of hibernating mice happened in 2005;
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the first human studies were done in 2008,
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and we should know in a couple of years
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whether it works or not.
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And this all happened really quickly
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because of a lot of help from a lot of people.
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I want to mention that, first of all,
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my wife, without whom this talk and my work would not be possible,
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so thank you very much.
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Also, the brilliant scientists who work at my lab
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and also others on staff,
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the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, Washington --
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wonderful place to work.
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And also the wonderful scientists
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and businesspeople at Ikaria.
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One thing those people did out there
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was take this technology of hydrogen sulfide,
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which is this start-up company that's burning venture capital very quickly,
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and they fused it with another company
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that sells another toxic gas
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that's more toxic than hydrogen sulfide,
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and they give it to newborn babies who would otherwise die
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from a failure to be able to oxygenate their tissues properly.
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And this gas that is delivered in over
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a thousand critical care hospitals worldwide,
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now is approved, on label,
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and saves thousands of babies a year
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from certain death.
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(Applause)
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So it's really incredible
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for me to be a part of this.
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And I want to say that I think we're on the path
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of understanding metabolic flexibility
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in a fundamental way,
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and that in the not too distant future,
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an EMT might give an injection of hydrogen sulfide,
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or some related compound,
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to a person suffering severe injuries,
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and that person might de-animate a bit,
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they might become a little more immortal.
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Their metabolism will fall
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as though you were dimming a switch on a lamp at home.
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And then, they will have the time, that will buy them the time,
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to be transported to the hospital
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to get the care they need.
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And then, after they get that care --
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like the mouse, like the skier,
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like the 65-year-old woman --
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they'll wake up.
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A miracle?
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We hope not, or maybe we just hope
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to make miracles a little more common.
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Thank you very much.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Mark Roth - Biochemist, cell biologistMark Roth's research has reawakened an unusual notion from the annals of science: reversible metabolic hibernation. Yes, putting living organisms into suspended animation -- and bringing them back safely.
Why you should listen
As a cell biologist in cancer research, Mark Roth studies genes, chromosomes and autoimmune disease. But he's best known for his research into suspended animation. Already, Roth has managed a world first: putting a vertebrate -- a zebrafish embryo -- into an oxygen-deprived state for several hours, then restoring it to completely normal development. He's been able to reduce the core temperature of mice to 10 degrees Celsius, and then revive them, harmlessly.
This MacArthur "genius" grant winner may spur the next big leap for lifesaving medical systems with techniques that buy time for critically ill trauma patients -- people in desperate need of organ transplants, for example -- whether in emergency rooms or on battlefields. DARPA is a major supporter of this work. At TED2008, geologist Peter Ward was passionate enough about Mark Roth's work to devote several of his own 18 minutes to talking about it ...
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