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Jill Sobule + Julia Sweeney: The Jill and Julia Show
De Jill en Julia Show
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2 favorieten van TED, Jill Sobule en Julia Sweeney, werken samen in een prachtige set die grappige teksten vermengt met een klein beetje sociale commentaar.
Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now. Full bioJulia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith. Full bio
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now. Full bioJulia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith. Full bio
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♫ Jill Sobule: At a conference in Monterey by the big, big jellyfish tank, ♫
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♫ Tijdens de conferentie in Monterey bij het grote, grote kwallenaquarium, ♫
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♫ I first saw you and I got so shy. ♫
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♫ zag ik je voor het eerst en werd ik zo verlegen. ♫
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♫ You see, I was a little paranoid 'cause I might have been high. ♫
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♫ Je ziet, ik had een beetje argwaan. Misschien was ik wel high. ♫
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♫ And I hadn't done that in ages and I won't do that again. ♫
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♫ En ik had dat in jaren niet meer gedaan en ik zal het niet meer doen. ♫
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♫ But that's another story. ♫
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♫ Maar dat is een ander verhaal. ♫
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♫ Loved you forever and I've been a big fan, ♫
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♫ Ik heb altijd van je gehouden en ik ben een grote fan ♫
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♫ the one-woman shows, I even rented "Pat." ♫
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♫ van one-womanshows, ik heb zelfs "Pat" gehuurd. ♫
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♫ I got enough nerve to come up to you, ♫
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♫ Ik vond genoeg moed om naar je toe te komen, ♫
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♫ but little did I know one year later we'd be doing this show. ♫
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♫ maar ik wist niet dat we 1 jaar later deze show zouden doen. ♫
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♫ I sing. Julia Sweeney: I tell stories. Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Ik zing. Julia Sweeney: ik vertel verhalen. Samen: De Jill en Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Sometimes it works. Sweeney: Sometimes it doesn't. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Soms werkt het. Sweeney: Soms niet. ♫
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♫ Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Samen: De Jill en Julia Show ♫
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♫ Sweeney: At a conference in Monterey next to the big, big jellyfish tank, ♫
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♫ Sweeny: Tijdens de conferentie in Monterey naast het grote, grote kwallenaquarium, ♫
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♫ I first saw you and I wasn't so shy. ♫
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♫ zag ik je voor het eerst en ik was niet zo verlegen. ♫
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I made a beeline for you and told you what a huge fan I was
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Ik kwam recht naar je toe en vertelde je wat een grote fan ik was,
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ever since I was writing that pilot for Fox, and Wendy
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al sinds ik de piloot voor Fox aan het schrijven was, en Wendy
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and I wanted you to do the theme song.
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en ik wilden dat je de melodie zou zingen.
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And then the pilot didn't go and I was so sad,
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Toen ging de piloot niet door en was ik zo droevig,
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but I kept remaining a fan of yours.
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maar ik bleef een fan van jou.
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And then when I went through that big, horrible breakup with Carl
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Toen moest ik die grote, vreselijke breuk met Carl verwerken.
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and I couldn't get off the couch, I listened to your song,
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Ik kon niet uit de zetel komen, en ik luisterde naar jouw liedje,
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♫ "Now That I Don't Have You," ♫ over and over and over and over again.
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♫ "Now That I Don't Have You" ♫, altijd opnieuw en opnieuw en opnieuw.
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And I can't believe you're here and that I'm meeting you here at TED.
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En ik kan niet geloven dat je hier bent en dat ik je hier ontmoet op TED.
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And also, I can't believe that we're eating sushi
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En ik kan ook niet geloven dat we sushi aan het eten zijn
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in front of the fish tank,
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voor het aquarium,
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which, personally, I think is really inappropriate.
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wat ik persoonlijk heel ongepast vind.
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(Laughter)
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(Gelach)
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(Applause)
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(Applaus)
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And little did I know that one year later ... ♫ we'd be doing this show. ♫
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En ik wist niet dat we 1 jaar later ... ♫ deze show zouden doen. ♫
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♫ Sobule: I sing. Sweeney: I tell stories. Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Ik zing. Sweeney: Ik vertel verhalen. Samen: De Jill en Julia Show. ♫
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Sobule: Hey, they asked us back! Sweeney: Can you stand it?!
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He, ze vragen ons terug! Sweeney: Snap jij dat?
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♫ Together: The Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Samen: De Jill en Julia, de Jill en Julia, de Jill en Julia Show ♫
02:26
♫ Sobule: Why are all our heroes so imperfect? ♫
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♫ Sobule: Waarom zijn al onze helden zo onvolmaakt? ♫
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♫ Why do they always bring me down? ♫
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♫ Waarom halen ze mij altijd neer? ♫
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♫ Why are all our heroes so imperfect? ♫
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♫ Waarom zijn al onze helden zo onvolmaakt? ♫
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♫ Statue in the park has lost his crown. ♫
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♫ Het standbeeld in het park heeft zijn kroon verloren. ♫
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♫ William Faulkner, drunk and depressed. ♫ Sweeney: Mmm.
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♫ William Faulkner, dronken en depressief. ♫
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♫ Dorothy Parker, mean, drunk and depressed. ♫ Sweeney: I know.
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♫ Dorothy Parker, gemeen, dronken en depressief. ♫
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♫ And that guy, "Seven Years in Tibet," turned out to be a Nazi. ♫ Sweeney: Yeah.
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♫ En die man, Zeven Jaar in Tibet, bleek een Nazi te zijn. ♫
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♫ Founding fathers all had slaves. ♫ Sweeney: I know.
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♫ De Founding Fathers hadden allemaal slaven. ♫
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♫ The explorers slaughtered the braves. ♫ Sweeney: Horribly.
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♫ De verkenners slachtten de dapperen af. ♫ Sweeney: Verschrikkelijk.
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♫ Sobule: The Old Testament God can be so petty. ♫
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♫ Sobule: De God uit het Oude Testament kan zo kleinzerig zijn. ♫
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Sweeney: Don't get me started on that. (Laughter)
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Sweeney: Laat me daar niet over beginnen.
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♫ Sobule: Paul McCartney, jealous of John, even more so now that he's gone. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Paul McCartney is nog meer jaloers op John nu hij dood is. ♫
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♫ Dylan was so mean to Donovan in that movie. ♫
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♫ Dylan was zo gemeen tegen Donovan in die film. ♫
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♫ Pablo Picasso, cruel to his wives. ♫ Sweeney: Horrible.
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♫ Pablo Picasso, wreed tegenover zijn vrouwen. ♫ Sweeney: Verschrikkelijk.
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♫ Sobule: My favorite poets took their own lives. ♫
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♫ Mijn favoriete dichters benamen zich het leven. ♫
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♫ Orson Welles peaked at twenty-five, below before our eyes. ♫
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♫ Orson Welles had zijn hoogtepunt op 25, en explodeerde voor onze ogen. ♫
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♫ And he sold bad wine. ♫
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♫ En hij verkocht slechte wijn. ♫
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♫ Together: Why are all our heroes so imperfect? Yeah ♫
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♫ Samen: Waarom zijn al onze helden zo onvolmaakt, ja? ♫
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♫ Why do they always bring me down? ♫
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♫ Waarom halen ze mij altijd neer? ♫
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♫ Sobule: Heard Babe Ruth was full of malice. ♫ Sweeney: Oh.
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♫ Sobule: Ik heb gehoord dat Babe Ruth heel boosaardig was. ♫
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♫ Lewis Carroll I'm sure did Alice. ♫ Sweeney: What?!
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♫ Ik ben zeker dat Lewis Caroll Alice binnendeed. ♫
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♫ Plato in the cave with those very young boys. ♫ Sweeney: Ooh...
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♫ Plato in de grot met die kleine jongens. ♫ Sweeney: Oooh...
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♫ Sobule: Hillary supported the war. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Hillary was voor de oorlog. ♫
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♫ Sweeney: Even Thomas Friedman supported the war. ♫ (Laughter)
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♫ Sweeney: Zelfs Thomas Friedman was voor de oorlog. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Colin Powell turned out to be ... Together: ... such a pussy. ♫ (Laughter) (Applause)
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♫ Colin Powell bleek -- Samen: -- zo een mietje ♫
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♫ Sobule: William Faulkner, drunk and depressed, ♫
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♫ Sobule: William Faulkner, dronken en depressief, ♫
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♫ Tennessee Williams, drunk and depressed. ♫ Sweeney: Yeah.
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♫ Tennessee Williams, dronken en depressief. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Take it, Julia. ♫
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Sobule: Neem het over, Julia.
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Sweeney: Okay. Oprah was never necessarily a big hero of mine.
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Sweeney: Oké. Oprah was nooit echt een grote held van mij.
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I mean, I watch Oprah mostly when I'm home in Spokane
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Ik bedoel, ik kijk meestal naar Oprah wanneer ik thuis in Spokane ben
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visiting my mother. And to my mother,
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om mijn moeder te bezoeken. En volgens mijn moeder
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Oprah is a greater moral authority than the Pope,
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is Oprah een grotere morele autoriteit dan de paus,
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which is actually saying something because she's a devout Catholic.
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wat eigenlijk wel iets wilt zeggen omdat ze een vrome christen is.
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Anyway, I like Oprah -- I like her girlfriendy-ness,
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Hoe dan ook, ik vind Oprah leuk. Ik hou van haar meisjesvriendelijkheid.
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I like her weight issues,
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Ik hou van haar gewichtsproblemen.
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I like how she's transformed talk television,
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Ik vind het leuk dat ze praattelevisie heeft veranderd.
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I like how she's brought reading back to America --
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Ik vind het leuk dat ze Amerika terug leerde lezen.
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but there was something that happened the last two weeks
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Maar de laatste twee weken is er iets gebeurd.
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that was ... I call it the Soon-Yi moment:
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Dat was -- ik noem het het Soon-Yi moment.
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it is the moment when I cannot continue supporting someone.
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Het is het moment waarop ik iemand niet meer kan ondersteunen.
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And that was that she did two entire shows
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En dat was toen ze twee volledige shows deed
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promoting that movie "The Secret."
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om de film "The Secret" te promoten.
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Do you guys know about that movie "The Secret"?
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Kennen jullie die film "The Secret"?
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It makes "What the Bleep Do We Know" seem like a doctoral dissertation
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Het zorgt ervoor dat "Wat de piep weten we" lijkt op een proefschrift
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from Harvard on quantum mechanics -- that's how bad it is.
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van Harvard over kwantummechanica -- zo slecht is het.
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It makes "The DaVinci Code" seem like "War and Peace."
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Het zorgt ervoor dat "De Da Vinci-code" lijkt op Oorlog en Vrede.
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That movie is so horrible. It promotes such awful pseudoscience.
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Die film is zo vreselijk. Hij promoot zo'n barslechte pseudo-wetenschap.
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And the basic idea is
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En het basisidee is
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that there's this law of attraction, and
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dat er een "Wet van de aantrekking" is en
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your thoughts have this vibrating energy
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dat je gedachten trillende energie hebben
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that goes out into the universe
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die uitkomt in het universum
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and then you attract good things to happen to you.
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en dan trek je goede dingen aan die je overkomen.
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On a scientific basis, it's more than just "Power of Positive Thinking" --
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Wetenschappelijk gezien is het meer dan gewoon "de Kracht van het Positief Denken" --
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it has a horrible, horrible dark side. Like if you get ill,
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het heeft een verschrikkelijke slechte kant. Bijvoorbeeld, als je ziek wordt,
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it's because you've just been thinking negative thoughts.
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komt dat omdat je net negatieve gedachten aan het denken was.
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Yeah, stuff like that was in the movie and she's promoting it.
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Ja, dat soort dingen zaten in de film. En zij promoot het.
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And all I'm saying is that I really wish that Murray Gell-Mann
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Kortom, ik zou echt willen dat Murray Gell-Man
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would go on Oprah
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naar Oprah zou gaan
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and just explain to her that the law of attraction is, in fact, not a law.
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en haar uitlegde dat de "Wet van de Aantrekking" feitelijk geen wet is.
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So that's what I have to say.
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Dus dat is wat ik wil zeggen.
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(Laughter)
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(Gelach)
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(Applause)
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(Applaus)
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♫ Sobule: I sing. Sweeney: I tell stories. Together: The Jill and Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Ik zing. Sweeney: Ik vertel verhalen. Samen: De Jill en Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Sometimes it works. Sweeney: Sometimes it doesn't. ♫
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♫ Sobule: Soms werkt het. Sweeney: Soms niet. ♫
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♫ Together: The Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia, the Jill and Julia Show. ♫
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♫ Samen: De Jill en Julia, de Jill en Julia, de Jill en Julia Show. ♫
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(Applause)
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(Applaus)
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriterJill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now.
Why you should listen
Jill Sobule first found her place in music history with the controversial 1995 hit "I Kissed a Girl." The song's silly sweetness masked its significance: It broke new ground as the first Top 40 hit to deal with overtly gay themes.
This approach -- packaging hard-hitting social commentary in a wrapper of whimsy -- has defined Sobule's career. Her endearing story-songs veer from fanciful storytelling to forceful satire and back again, covering a wide range of political and social issues from climate change to prostitution; anorexia to anti-semitism. Her winning combination of memorable characters, clever lyrics and catchy tunes has inspired comparisons that range from Burt Bacharach to Gertrude Stein. It also makes her performances and recordings a delight.
Sobule's candy-coated commentary can be found on her Huffington Post blog, as well as in her steady stream of stand-out albums, including Jill Sobule (1995), Happy Town (1997), Pink Pearl (2000) and Underdog Victorious (2004). Lately, Sobule has performed regularly with comedian Julia Sweeney (the two met at TED2006). They put on the "Jill and Julia Show," an utterly endearing evening of stories and songs. She's also recording an album with the string quartet Ethel (another TED2006 match).
Jill Sobule | Speaker | TED.com
Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.
Why you should listen
Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.
Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.
Julia Sweeney | Speaker | TED.com