ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now.

Why you should listen

Jill Sobule first found her place in music history with the controversial 1995 hit "I Kissed a Girl." The song's silly sweetness masked its significance: It broke new ground as the first Top 40 hit to deal with overtly gay themes.

This approach -- packaging hard-hitting social commentary in a wrapper of whimsy -- has defined Sobule's career. Her endearing story-songs veer from fanciful storytelling to forceful satire and back again, covering a wide range of political and social issues from climate change to prostitution; anorexia to anti-semitism. Her winning combination of memorable characters, clever lyrics and catchy tunes has inspired comparisons that range from Burt Bacharach to Gertrude Stein. It also makes her performances and recordings a delight.

Sobule's candy-coated commentary can be found on her Huffington Post blog, as well as in her steady stream of stand-out albums, including Jill Sobule (1995), Happy Town (1997), Pink Pearl (2000) and Underdog Victorious (2004). Lately, Sobule has performed regularly with comedian Julia Sweeney (the two met at TED2006). They put on the "Jill and Julia Show," an utterly endearing evening of stories and songs. She's also recording an album with the string quartet Ethel (another TED2006 match).

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Jill Sobule | Speaker | TED.com
Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

Why you should listen

Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.

Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.

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Julia Sweeney | Speaker | TED.com
TED2007

Jill Sobule + Julia Sweeney: The Jill and Julia Show

潔兒與茱莉亞秀

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TED的兩位熱門人物,潔兒索布爾及朱莉亞史溫妮一起合作表演一段機智詼諧又帶點社會評論的的歌曲創作。
- Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now. Full bio - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith. Full bio

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Jill吉爾 SobuleSobule: At a conference會議 in Monterey蒙特雷 by the big, big jellyfish海蜇 tank坦克, ♫
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♫在蒙特利的一場會議裡,在一個大大的水母魚缸旁♫
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♫ I first saw you and I got so shy害羞. ♫
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♫我見到了妳,但我非常害羞♫
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♫ You see, I was a little paranoid偏執 'cause'原因 I might威力 have been high. ♫
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♫妳知道嗎,當時我有些偏執,因為我可能已經"興奮"過頭了♫(藥物作用)
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♫ And I hadn't有沒有 doneDONE that in ages年齡 and I won't慣於 do that again. ♫
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♫我已經好多年沒有"興奮"了,而我以後也不會這麼做了♫
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♫ But that's another另一個 story故事. ♫
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♫不過那是另一回事♫
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Loved喜愛 you forever永遠 and I've been a big fan風扇, ♫
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♫一直都很欣賞妳,一直都是妳的超級粉絲♫
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♫ the one-woman一個女人 shows節目, I even rented "Pat." ♫
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♫看了妳的個人秀,甚至還租了妳主演的電影"派蒂"(Pat)♫
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♫ I got enough足夠 nerve神經 to come up to you, ♫
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♫我鼓起很大的勇氣走向妳♫
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♫ but little did I know one year later後來 we'd星期三 be doing this show顯示. ♫
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♫但我幾乎沒有想到一年後我們會在這裡一起表演♫
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♫ I sing. Julia朱莉婭 Sweeney斯威尼: I tell stories故事. Together一起: The Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭 Show顯示. ♫
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♫我唱歌 朱莉亞史溫妮:我說故事 合:潔兒與茱莉亞秀♫
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SobuleSobule: Sometimes有時 it works作品. Sweeney斯威尼: Sometimes有時 it doesn't. ♫
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♫索布爾:有時默契十足。 史溫妮:有時混亂十足♫
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Together一起: The Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭 Show顯示. ♫
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♫合:潔兒與茱莉亞秀♫
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Sweeney斯威尼: At a conference會議 in Monterey蒙特雷 next下一個 to the big, big jellyfish海蜇 tank坦克, ♫
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♫在蒙特利的一場會議裡,在一個大大個水母魚缸旁♫
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♫ I first saw you and I wasn't so shy害羞. ♫
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♫我見到了妳,但我不怎麼害羞♫
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I made製作 a beeline直線 for you and told you what a huge巨大 fan風扇 I was
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我往妳的方向直衝,要告訴你我是妳的大粉絲
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ever since以來 I was writing寫作 that pilot飛行員 for Fox狐狸, and Wendy溫迪
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從溫蒂和我開始幫福克斯電視(Fox)寫首集電視劇本時
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and I wanted you to do the theme主題 song歌曲.
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我就希望妳能來唱主題曲
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And then the pilot飛行員 didn't go and I was so sad傷心,
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但後來電視劇沒能上演,我很難過
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but I kept不停 remaining其餘 a fan風扇 of yours你的.
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不過我依舊是妳的粉絲
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And then when I went through通過 that big, horrible可怕 breakup分手 with Carl卡爾
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後來,我和卡爾經歷了痛苦的分手
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and I couldn't不能 get off the couch長椅, I listened聽了 to your song歌曲,
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我就一直賴在沙發上,聽妳的歌
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♫ "Now That I Don't Have You," ♫ over and over and over and over again.
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那首♫"失去了你"♫聽了一遍又一遍
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And I can't believe you're here and that I'm meeting會議 you here at TEDTED.
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不敢相信妳會在這,竟然能在TED和妳相見
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And also, I can't believe that we're eating sushi壽司
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我也不敢置信我們居然吃起壽司
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in front面前 of the fish tank坦克,
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而且就在魚缸前
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which哪一個, personally親自, I think is really inappropriate不當.
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我認為這非常的不適當
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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(Applause掌聲)
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And little did I know that one year later後來 ... ♫ we'd星期三 be doing this show顯示. ♫
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我真的沒有想到一年後 ♫我們會在這裡一起表演♫
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SobuleSobule: I sing. Sweeney斯威尼: I tell stories故事. Together一起: The Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭 Show顯示. ♫
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♫索布爾:我唱歌。 朱莉亞史溫妮:我說故事。 合:潔兒與茱莉亞秀♫
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SobuleSobule: Hey, they asked us back! Sweeney斯威尼: Can you stand it?!
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索布爾: 嘿,他們邀我們再次表演。 史溫妮:你們受的了嗎?
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Together一起: The Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭, the Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭, the Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭 Show顯示. ♫
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♫合:潔兒與茱莉亞,潔兒與茱莉亞,潔兒與茱莉亞秀♫
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SobuleSobule: Why are all our heroes英雄 so imperfect不完善? ♫
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♫索布爾:為什麼我們所有的英雄都這麼不完美?♫
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♫ Why do they always bring帶來 me down? ♫
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♫為什麼他們總是讓我失望♫
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♫ Why are all our heroes英雄 so imperfect不完善? ♫
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♫為什麼我們所有的英雄都這麼不完美♫
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Statue雕像 in the park公園 has lost丟失 his crown王冠. ♫
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♫公園裡的雕像失去了王冠♫
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William威廉 Faulkner福克納, drunk and depressed鬱悶. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Mmm.
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♫威廉福克納(William Faulkner,諾貝爾文學獎) 酗酒又墮落♫
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Dorothy多蘿西 Parker帕克, mean, drunk and depressed鬱悶. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: I know.
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♫多羅西帕克(Dorothy Parker) 也是刻薄、酗酒、墮落♫
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♫ And that guy, "Seven Years年份 in Tibet西藏," turned轉身 out to be a Nazi納粹. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Yeah.
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♫而"火線大逃亡"的故事主角則是個納粹♫
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Founding創建 fathers父親 all had slaves奴隸. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: I know.
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♫建國之父們也都有過奴隸♫
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♫ The explorers探險 slaughtered屠宰 the braves勇士. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Horribly可怕.
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♫探險家們殘殺了印第安勇士 (史溫妮:) 非常殘暴♫
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SobuleSobule: The Old Testament遺囑 God can be so petty小氣. ♫
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♫(索布爾:) 舊約聖經裡的上帝可以很小氣♫
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Sweeney斯威尼: Don't get me started開始 on that. (Laughter笑聲)
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(史溫妮:) 別再提了
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SobuleSobule: Paul保羅 McCartney麥卡特尼, jealous of John約翰, even more so now that he's gone走了. ♫
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♫(索布爾:) 保羅麥卡尼(Paul McCartney)一直都忌妒約翰(John),現在約翰離開了,反而更忌妒♫
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Dylan迪倫 was so mean to Donovan多諾萬 in that movie電影. ♫
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♫在那部電影狄倫(Dylan)對唐娜文(Donavan)非常刻薄♫
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Pablo巴勃羅 Picasso畢加索, cruel殘忍 to his wives妻子. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Horrible可怕.
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♫畢卡索(Pablo Picasso)對自己太太們也是冷酷無情 (史溫妮:) 非常糟糕 ♫
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SobuleSobule: My favorite喜愛 poets詩人 took their own擁有 lives生活. ♫
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(索布爾:) 我最喜愛的詩人都選擇結束自己生命
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Orson奧森 Welles威爾斯 peaked見頂 at twenty-five二十五, below下面 before our eyes眼睛. ♫
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♫奧森威爾斯(Orson Welles)二十五歲時就達到演藝事業巔峰,但也在我們見證下逐漸發胖♫
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♫ And he sold出售 bad wine紅酒. ♫
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♫還有他賣很劣等的酒♫
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Together一起: Why are all our heroes英雄 so imperfect不完善? Yeah ♫
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♫(合:)為什麼我們所有的英雄都這麼不完美?♫
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♫ Why do they always bring帶來 me down? ♫
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♫為什麼他們總是讓我失望♫
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SobuleSobule: Heard聽說 Babe孩兒 Ruth憐憫 was full充分 of malice惡意. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Oh.
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♫(索布爾:)聽說貝比魯斯(Babe Ruth)非常壞心 ♫
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Lewis劉易斯 Carroll卡羅爾 I'm sure did Alice愛麗絲. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: What?!
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♫我很確定路易斯卡羅(Lewis Carrol)一定睡過愛麗絲(Alice)♫
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Plato柏拉圖 in the cave洞穴 with those very young年輕 boys男孩. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Ooh...
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♫柏拉圖(Plato)和一群年輕男孩在洞穴裡 (史溫妮:) 喔嗚...♫
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SobuleSobule: Hillary希拉里 supported支持的 the war戰爭. ♫
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♫(索布爾:)希拉蕊曾支持戰爭♫
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Sweeney斯威尼: Even Thomas托馬斯 Friedman弗里德曼 supported支持的 the war戰爭. ♫ (Laughter笑聲)
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♫(史溫妮:)湯瑪斯佛里曼也曾支持戰爭♫
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SobuleSobule: Colin科林 Powell鮑威爾 turned轉身 out to be ... Together一起: ... such這樣 a pussy. ♫ (Laughter笑聲) (Applause掌聲)
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♫科林鮑爾(Colin Powell)則是個 (合) 超級懦夫♫
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SobuleSobule: William威廉 Faulkner福克納, drunk and depressed鬱悶, ♫
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♫威廉福克納(William Faulkner) 酗酒又墮落♫
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Tennessee田納西 Williams威廉姆斯, drunk and depressed鬱悶. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Yeah.
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♫田納西威廉斯(Tennessee Williams) 酗酒又墮落♫
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SobuleSobule: Take it, Julia朱莉婭. ♫
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索布爾: 該妳了朱莉亞
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Sweeney斯威尼: Okay. Oprah奧普拉 was never necessarily一定 a big hero英雄 of mine.
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史溫妮: 好。對我來說歐普拉並不算是個大英雄
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I mean, I watch Oprah奧普拉 mostly大多 when I'm home in Spokane斯波坎
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我是說,當我回斯波坎探望我母親時,我幾乎都會收看歐普拉秀
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visiting訪問 my mother母親. And to my mother母親,
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而對我母親來說
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Oprah奧普拉 is a greater更大 moral道德 authority權威 than the Pope教皇,
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歐普拉是個比教宗還更有道德權威的人物
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which哪一個 is actually其實 saying something because she's a devout虔誠的 Catholic天主教徒.
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這點很特別,因為她是個虔誠的天主教徒
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Anyway無論如何, I like Oprah奧普拉 -- I like her girlfriendy-nessgirlfriendy岬,
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總之,我很喜歡歐普拉,喜歡她那種像女孩般的友善
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I like her weight重量 issues問題,
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我喜歡她面對體重問題的態度
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I like how she's transformed改造 talk television電視,
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我喜歡她對脫口秀的改變
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I like how she's brought reading back to America美國 --
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我喜歡她把閱讀習慣重新帶回美國
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but there was something that happened發生 the last two weeks
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但過去兩個禮拜發生了一件事
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that was ... I call it the Soon-Yi淳毅 moment時刻:
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這件事我稱為"順宜"(Soon-Yi) 瞬間
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it is the moment時刻 when I cannot不能 continue繼續 supporting支持 someone有人.
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在這一瞬間我不能再繼續支持某人
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And that was that she did two entire整個 shows節目
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就是她有整整兩場秀
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promoting促進 that movie電影 "The Secret秘密."
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都是在宣傳電影"秘密" (The Secret)
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Do you guys know about that movie電影 "The Secret秘密"?
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你們知道這部電影"秘密"嗎?
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It makes品牌 "What the Bleep Do We Know" seem似乎 like a doctoral博士生 dissertation論文
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這部電影讓"我們他X的懂什麼"看起來像是個博士論文
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from Harvard哈佛 on quantum量子 mechanics機械學 -- that's how bad it is.
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像是個哈佛大學的量子力學博士論文 這部電影就是這麼糟
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It makes品牌 "The DaVinci達芬奇 Code" seem似乎 like "War戰爭 and Peace和平."
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它讓電影"達文西密碼"看起來像是小說"戰爭與和平"
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That movie電影 is so horrible可怕. It promotes促進 such這樣 awful可怕 pseudoscience偽科學.
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這部電影太差勁了,它所推崇的是糟糕的偽科學
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And the basic基本 idea理念 is
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它的基本概念是
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that there's this law of attraction引力, and
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有一種"吸引力法則"
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your thoughts思念 have this vibrating振動 energy能源
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而你的思維都有這種活躍的能量
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that goes out into the universe宇宙
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散發到整個宇宙
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and then you attract吸引 good things to happen發生 to you.
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你會吸引好的事情到你身上
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On a scientific科學 basis基礎, it's more than just "Power功率 of Positive Thinking思維" --
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從科學角度來看,這不僅是"正面思考的力量"
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it has a horrible可怕, horrible可怕 dark黑暗 side. Like if you get ill生病,
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它有著極為恐怖的黑暗面。 就像是如果你生病了
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it's because you've just been thinking思維 negative thoughts思念.
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是因為你一直有負面的想法
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Yeah, stuff東東 like that was in the movie電影 and she's promoting促進 it.
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沒錯,這部電影都是這些玩意,而歐普拉卻是在幫它宣傳
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And all I'm saying is that I really wish希望 that Murray穆雷 Gell-Mann蓋爾曼
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我想說的是,我真的希望默理蓋爾曼(Murray Gell-Mann,諾貝爾物理得獎家)
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would go on Oprah奧普拉
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能夠上歐普拉秀
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and just explain說明 to her that the law of attraction引力 is, in fact事實, not a law.
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跟她解釋"吸引力法則"其實根本不存在
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So that's what I have to say.
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我要說的就是這些了
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(Laughter笑聲)
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(笑聲)
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(Applause掌聲)
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(掌聲)
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SobuleSobule: I sing. Sweeney斯威尼: I tell stories故事. Together一起: The Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭 Show顯示. ♫
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♫(索布爾:)我唱歌 (朱莉亞史溫妮:)我說故事 (合:)潔兒與茱莉亞秀♫
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SobuleSobule: Sometimes有時 it works作品. Sweeney斯威尼: Sometimes有時 it doesn't. ♫
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♫(索布爾:)有時默契十足 (史溫妮:)有時混亂十足♫
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Together一起: The Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭, the Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭, the Jill吉爾 and Julia朱莉婭 Show顯示. ♫
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♫(合) 潔兒與茱莉亞秀,潔兒與茱莉亞秀,潔兒與茱莉亞秀♫
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Translated by Oby Wang
Reviewed by Leonard Lin

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ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now.

Why you should listen

Jill Sobule first found her place in music history with the controversial 1995 hit "I Kissed a Girl." The song's silly sweetness masked its significance: It broke new ground as the first Top 40 hit to deal with overtly gay themes.

This approach -- packaging hard-hitting social commentary in a wrapper of whimsy -- has defined Sobule's career. Her endearing story-songs veer from fanciful storytelling to forceful satire and back again, covering a wide range of political and social issues from climate change to prostitution; anorexia to anti-semitism. Her winning combination of memorable characters, clever lyrics and catchy tunes has inspired comparisons that range from Burt Bacharach to Gertrude Stein. It also makes her performances and recordings a delight.

Sobule's candy-coated commentary can be found on her Huffington Post blog, as well as in her steady stream of stand-out albums, including Jill Sobule (1995), Happy Town (1997), Pink Pearl (2000) and Underdog Victorious (2004). Lately, Sobule has performed regularly with comedian Julia Sweeney (the two met at TED2006). They put on the "Jill and Julia Show," an utterly endearing evening of stories and songs. She's also recording an album with the string quartet Ethel (another TED2006 match).

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Jill Sobule | Speaker | TED.com
Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

Why you should listen

Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.

Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.

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Julia Sweeney | Speaker | TED.com

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