ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now.

Why you should listen

Jill Sobule first found her place in music history with the controversial 1995 hit "I Kissed a Girl." The song's silly sweetness masked its significance: It broke new ground as the first Top 40 hit to deal with overtly gay themes.

This approach -- packaging hard-hitting social commentary in a wrapper of whimsy -- has defined Sobule's career. Her endearing story-songs veer from fanciful storytelling to forceful satire and back again, covering a wide range of political and social issues from climate change to prostitution; anorexia to anti-semitism. Her winning combination of memorable characters, clever lyrics and catchy tunes has inspired comparisons that range from Burt Bacharach to Gertrude Stein. It also makes her performances and recordings a delight.

Sobule's candy-coated commentary can be found on her Huffington Post blog, as well as in her steady stream of stand-out albums, including Jill Sobule (1995), Happy Town (1997), Pink Pearl (2000) and Underdog Victorious (2004). Lately, Sobule has performed regularly with comedian Julia Sweeney (the two met at TED2006). They put on the "Jill and Julia Show," an utterly endearing evening of stories and songs. She's also recording an album with the string quartet Ethel (another TED2006 match).

More profile about the speaker
Jill Sobule | Speaker | TED.com
Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

Why you should listen

Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.

Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.

More profile about the speaker
Julia Sweeney | Speaker | TED.com
TED2007

Jill Sobule + Julia Sweeney: The Jill and Julia Show

吉儿和朱丽娅秀

Filmed:
546,581 views

两位受欢迎的TED人物 -- 吉儿索布尔和朱丽娅斯文内, 一起合作表演一出轻松愉快的节目, 即有睿智的歌曲创作, 又含一点社会评论.
- Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now. Full bio - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith. Full bio

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Jill吉尔 SobuleSobule: At a conference会议 in Monterey蒙特雷 by the big, big jellyfish海蜇 tank坦克, ♫
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在蒙特瑞开会期间, 在一个大大的海蛰缸旁边
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♫ I first saw you and I got so shy害羞. ♫
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我先看到你, 然后有些害羞
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♫ You see, I was a little paranoid偏执 'cause'原因 I might威力 have been high. ♫
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你要知道, 我有些多疑, 因为我有可能“瘾”过头了
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♫ And I hadn't有没有 doneDONE that in ages年龄 and I won't惯于 do that again. ♫
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我好多年都没“过瘾”了, 我不会再这样做了
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♫ But that's another另一个 story故事. ♫
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可这是另一回事儿
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Loved喜爱 you forever永远 and I've been a big fan风扇, ♫
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一直喜欢你, 是你的大"粉丝"
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♫ the one-woman一个女人 shows节目, I even rented "Pat." ♫
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你的一人秀, 我甚至还租看了你的电影"帕蒂"
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♫ I got enough足够 nerve神经 to come up to you, ♫
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我壮着胆儿向你走过去
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♫ but little did I know one year later后来 we'd星期三 be doing this show显示. ♫
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殊不知, 一年后, 我们竟然会在这里一起表演
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♫ I sing. Julia朱莉娅 Sweeney斯威尼: I tell stories故事. Together一起: The Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅 Show显示. ♫
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我唱歌, (朱丽娅斯文内:) 我讲故事. (合:) 吉儿和朱丽婭秀
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SobuleSobule: Sometimes有时 it works作品. Sweeney斯威尼: Sometimes有时 it doesn't. ♫
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(索布尔:) 有时灵, (斯文内:) 有时不灵
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Together一起: The Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅 Show显示. ♫
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(合:) 吉儿和朱丽婭秀
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Sweeney斯威尼: At a conference会议 in Monterey蒙特雷 next下一个 to the big, big jellyfish海蜇 tank坦克, ♫
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在蒙特瑞开会期间, 在一个大大的海蛰缸旁边
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♫ I first saw you and I wasn't so shy害羞. ♫
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我先看到你,我并不怎么害羞
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I made制作 a beeline直线 for you and told you what a huge巨大 fan风扇 I was
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我径直向你奔去,告诉你我是你的大‘粉丝’
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ever since以来 I was writing写作 that pilot飞行员 for Fox狐狸, and Wendy温迪
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从我还有雯迪为福克斯电视频道写那个首集电视剧开始,
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and I wanted you to do the theme主题 song歌曲.
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我当时想让你唱那个主题歌
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And then the pilot飞行员 didn't go and I was so sad伤心,
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可后来那个电视剧没成,我很伤心
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but I kept不停 remaining其余 a fan风扇 of yours你的.
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可我一直是你的‘粉丝’
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And then when I went through通过 that big, horrible可怕 breakup分手 with Carl卡尔
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再后来,我和卡尔分手了,折腾得我不轻
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and I couldn't不能 get off the couch长椅, I listened听了 to your song歌曲,
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我一直赖在沙发上,听你的歌
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♫ "Now That I Don't Have You," ♫ over and over and over and over again.
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那首 "现在没有了你," 听了一遍,一遍,又一遍
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And I can't believe you're here and that I'm meeting会议 you here at TEDTED.
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没想到你会在这里,我竟然在TED遇见你
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And also, I can't believe that we're eating sushi寿司
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还有,想不到我们竟然在吃寿司
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in front面前 of the fish tank坦克,
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就在鱼缸前
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which哪一个, personally亲自, I think is really inappropriate不当.
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我个人认为,这很不适当
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(Laughter笑声)
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(Applause掌声)
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And little did I know that one year later后来 ... ♫ we'd星期三 be doing this show显示. ♫
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殊不知一年后,我们会在这里一起表演
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SobuleSobule: I sing. Sweeney斯威尼: I tell stories故事. Together一起: The Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅 Show显示. ♫
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(索布尔:)我唱歌, (朱丽娅斯文内): 我讲故事. (合): 吉儿和朱丽婭秀
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SobuleSobule: Hey, they asked us back! Sweeney斯威尼: Can you stand it?!
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(索布尔:)嘿,他们再次请我们表演!(斯文内:)你们受得了吗?
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Together一起: The Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅, the Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅, the Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅 Show显示. ♫
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(合)吉儿和朱丽婭秀,吉儿和朱丽婭秀,吉儿和朱丽婭秀
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SobuleSobule: Why are all our heroes英雄 so imperfect不完善? ♫
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索布尔:为什么我们所有的英雄都很不完美?
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♫ Why do they always bring带来 me down? ♫
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为什么他们总让我很沮丧?
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♫ Why are all our heroes英雄 so imperfect不完善? ♫
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为什么我们所有的英雄都很不完美?
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Statue雕像 in the park公园 has lost丢失 his crown王冠. ♫
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公园里的雕像丢失了头冠
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William威廉 Faulkner福克纳, drunk and depressed郁闷. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Mmm.
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威廉福克纳(William Faulkern),酗酒又消沉
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Dorothy多萝西 Parker帕克, mean, drunk and depressed郁闷. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: I know.
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多萝西帕克(Dorothy Parker),吝啬,酗酒,又消沉
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♫ And that guy, "Seven Years年份 in Tibet西藏," turned转身 out to be a Nazi纳粹. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Yeah.
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还有那个家伙,"西藏七年," 结果是个纳粹
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Founding创建 fathers父亲 all had slaves奴隶. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: I know.
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国父们都有过奴隶
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♫ The explorers探险 slaughtered屠宰 the braves勇士. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Horribly可怕.
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探险家们杀戮了勇者。(斯文内:) 很残忍
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SobuleSobule: The Old Testament遗嘱 God can be so petty小气. ♫
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(索布尔:) "旧约"里的上帝会是那样小气
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Sweeney斯威尼: Don't get me started开始 on that. (Laughter笑声)
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(斯文内:) 别提了。
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SobuleSobule: Paul保罗 McCartney麦卡特尼, jealous of John约翰, even more so now that he's gone走了. ♫
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(索布尔:) 保罗麦卡特尼(Paul McCartney)嫉妒约翰 (John Lennon),现在约翰不在了,反而更嫉妒
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Dylan迪伦 was so mean to Donovan多诺万 in that movie电影. ♫
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在那部电影里,迪伦(Dylan)对(Donovan)很刻薄
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Pablo巴勃罗 Picasso毕加索, cruel残忍 to his wives妻子. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Horrible可怕.
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帕布罗毕加索(Pablo Picasso)对他的太太们很凶。(斯文内:) 糟透了。
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SobuleSobule: My favorite喜爱 poets诗人 took their own拥有 lives生活. ♫
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(索布尔:) 我最喜爱的诗人都自杀身亡。
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Orson奥森 Welles威尔斯 peaked见顶 at twenty-five二十五, below下面 before our eyes眼睛. ♫
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奥逊威尔斯(Orson Welles)在二十五岁时就登上事业巅峰,在我们眼皮子底下变得越来越胖
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♫ And he sold出售 bad wine红酒. ♫
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他还卖过很糟糕的葡萄酒
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Together一起: Why are all our heroes英雄 so imperfect不完善? Yeah ♫
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(合:) 为什么我们所有的英雄都很不完美?
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♫ Why do they always bring带来 me down? ♫
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为什么他们让我很沮丧?
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SobuleSobule: Heard听说 Babe孩儿 Ruth怜悯 was full充分 of malice恶意. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Oh.
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(索布尔:) 听说贝贝鲁斯(Babe Ruth)一肚子坏心眼儿
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Lewis刘易斯 Carroll卡罗尔 I'm sure did Alice爱丽丝. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: What?!
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我肯定路易斯卡罗(Lewis Carroll)干过爱丽丝 (Alice)
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Plato柏拉图 in the cave洞穴 with those very young年轻 boys男孩. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Ooh...
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柏拉图在洞里和那些男孩子们在一起。(斯文内:) 哎哟...
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SobuleSobule: Hillary希拉里 supported支持的 the war战争. ♫
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(索布尔:) 希拉里曾支持过战争
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Sweeney斯威尼: Even Thomas托马斯 Friedman弗里德曼 supported支持的 the war战争. ♫ (Laughter笑声)
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(斯文内:) 甚至汤姆斯福来德曼(Thomas Friedman)也支持过战争
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SobuleSobule: Colin科林 Powell鲍威尔 turned转身 out to be ... Together一起: ... such这样 a pussy. ♫ (Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)
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(索布尔:) 科林鲍威尔(Colin Powell)结果是个-- (合)简直是个窝囊废
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SobuleSobule: William威廉 Faulkner福克纳, drunk and depressed郁闷, ♫
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(索布尔:) 威廉福克纳 (William Faulkner),酗酒又消沉
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Tennessee田纳西 Williams威廉姆斯, drunk and depressed郁闷. ♫ Sweeney斯威尼: Yeah.
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田纳西威廉斯(tennessee Williams),酗酒又消沉
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SobuleSobule: Take it, Julia朱莉娅. ♫
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索布尔:该你了,朱丽娅
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Sweeney斯威尼: Okay. Oprah奥普拉 was never necessarily一定 a big hero英雄 of mine.
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斯文内:好吧,奥帕拉(oprah)对我来说并不算是个什么大英雄
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I mean, I watch Oprah奥普拉 mostly大多 when I'm home in Spokane斯波坎
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我是说,我通常是在斯珀坎家中看奥帕拉秀
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visiting访问 my mother母亲. And to my mother母亲,
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去看我母亲的时候。对我母亲来说,
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Oprah奥普拉 is a greater更大 moral道德 authority权威 than the Pope教皇,
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奥帕拉是个比教皇更伟大的道德权威
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which哪一个 is actually其实 saying something because she's a devout虔诚的 Catholic天主教徒.
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这点可是非同小可,因为她是个虔诚的天主教徒
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Anyway无论如何, I like Oprah奥普拉 -- I like her girlfriendy-nessgirlfriendy岬,
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话说回来,我喜欢奥帕拉。我喜欢她那种女友式的友善。
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I like her weight重量 issues问题,
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我喜欢她如何面对体重问题。
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I like how she's transformed改造 talk television电视,
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我喜欢她改变了脱口秀。
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I like how she's brought reading back to America美国 --
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我喜灰她重焕美国人的读书热情。
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but there was something that happened发生 the last two weeks
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可是两个星期前发生了一件事
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that was ... I call it the Soon-Yi淳毅 moment时刻:
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那件事-- 我称之为“宋宜”(Soon-Yi) 瞬间
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it is the moment时刻 when I cannot不能 continue继续 supporting支持 someone有人.
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这一瞬间,我不能再继续支持某个人
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And that was that she did two entire整个 shows节目
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就是这样,她有两场秀
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promoting促进 that movie电影 "The Secret秘密."
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整场都在宣传电影“秘密”
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Do you guys know about that movie电影 "The Secret秘密"?
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你们知道这部电影“秘密”吗?
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It makes品牌 "What the Bleep Do We Know" seem似乎 like a doctoral博士生 dissertation论文
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这部电影使 "我们懂个X” (电影) 显得像是篇博士论文
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from Harvard哈佛 on quantum量子 mechanics机械学 -- that's how bad it is.
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哈佛大学量子力学的论文-- 这个电影就是这么糟
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It makes品牌 "The DaVinci达芬奇 Code" seem似乎 like "War战争 and Peace和平."
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这个电影使“达芬奇密码”显得像是“战争与和平”
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That movie电影 is so horrible可怕. It promotes促进 such这样 awful可怕 pseudoscience伪科学.
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这部电影烂透了,宣传糟糕的伪科学
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And the basic基本 idea理念 is
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它大致上说的是
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that there's this law of attraction引力, and
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有这样一种“吸引力法则”
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your thoughts思念 have this vibrating振动 energy能源
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你的思想有这种振动的能量
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that goes out into the universe宇宙
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可以发出来进入宇宙
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and then you attract吸引 good things to happen发生 to you.
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然后你会吸引好事在你身上发生
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On a scientific科学 basis基础, it's more than just "Power功率 of Positive Thinking思维" --
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根据科学,这远不止是“正面思考的力量”
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it has a horrible可怕, horrible可怕 dark黑暗 side. Like if you get ill生病,
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这有着极坏极坏的黑暗面。好像是在说,如果你生病了,
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it's because you've just been thinking思维 negative thoughts思念.
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那是因为你一直有负面消极的想法
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Yeah, stuff东东 like that was in the movie电影 and she's promoting促进 it.
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对,这部电影里就是这么一堆东西。奥帕拉竟然为其宣传
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And all I'm saying is that I really wish希望 that Murray穆雷 Gell-Mann盖尔曼
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我只不过想说,我真希望墨瑞盖尔曼(Murray Gell-Mann)
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would go on Oprah奥普拉
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能够上奥帕拉秀
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and just explain说明 to her that the law of attraction引力 is, in fact事实, not a law.
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告诉她"“吸引力法则"其实不是一个法律。
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So that's what I have to say.
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我要说的就是这些。
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(Laughter笑声)
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(笑声)
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(Applause掌声)
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(掌声)
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SobuleSobule: I sing. Sweeney斯威尼: I tell stories故事. Together一起: The Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅 Show显示. ♫
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(索布尔:) 我唱歌. (朱丽娅斯文内:) 我讲故事. (合:) 吉儿和朱丽婭秀
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SobuleSobule: Sometimes有时 it works作品. Sweeney斯威尼: Sometimes有时 it doesn't. ♫
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(索布尔:) 有时灵, (斯文内:) 有时不灵
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Together一起: The Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅, the Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅, the Jill吉尔 and Julia朱莉娅 Show显示. ♫
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(合)吉儿和朱丽婭秀,吉儿和朱丽婭秀,吉儿和朱丽婭秀
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(Applause掌声)
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Translated by Xiaoyi Sun
Reviewed by Jenny Yang

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ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Jill Sobule - Singer/songwriter
Jill Sobule isn't just another singer-songwriter with catchy tunes and smart lyrics, she's one of the more insightful satirists of our age. Each of her fanciful songs captures an issue or irony, an emotion or epiphany that helps us understand what it's like to live now.

Why you should listen

Jill Sobule first found her place in music history with the controversial 1995 hit "I Kissed a Girl." The song's silly sweetness masked its significance: It broke new ground as the first Top 40 hit to deal with overtly gay themes.

This approach -- packaging hard-hitting social commentary in a wrapper of whimsy -- has defined Sobule's career. Her endearing story-songs veer from fanciful storytelling to forceful satire and back again, covering a wide range of political and social issues from climate change to prostitution; anorexia to anti-semitism. Her winning combination of memorable characters, clever lyrics and catchy tunes has inspired comparisons that range from Burt Bacharach to Gertrude Stein. It also makes her performances and recordings a delight.

Sobule's candy-coated commentary can be found on her Huffington Post blog, as well as in her steady stream of stand-out albums, including Jill Sobule (1995), Happy Town (1997), Pink Pearl (2000) and Underdog Victorious (2004). Lately, Sobule has performed regularly with comedian Julia Sweeney (the two met at TED2006). They put on the "Jill and Julia Show," an utterly endearing evening of stories and songs. She's also recording an album with the string quartet Ethel (another TED2006 match).

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Julia Sweeney - Actor, comedian, playwright
Julia Sweeney creates comedic works that tackle deep issues: cancer, family, faith.

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Julia Sweeney is a writer, director, actress, comedian and monologist. She is known for being a cast member on Saturday Night Live from 1990 to 1995, where she created and popularized the androgynous character, Pat. She is also well known for her comedic and dramatic monologues. God Said Ha! is a monologue about serious illness, her brother's lymphoma and her own cancer, and her family's crazy reactions to this crisis as they soldiered their way through struggle, confusion and death. This play was performed all over the U.S. and on Broadway at the Lyceum Theater. It was made into a film produced by Quentin Tarantino, and the comedy album from the show was nominated for a Grammy.

Sweeney's second monologue, In the Family Way, played in theatrical runs in New York and Los Angeles. It was ultimately fashioned into a book, a memoir titled If It's Not One Thing, It's Your Mother. Sweeney's third monologue, Letting Go of God, chronicled her journey from Catholicism to atheism. It was made into a film that played on Showtime.

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