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Sebastián Bortnik: The conversation we're not having about digital child abuse
Sebastijan Bortnik (Sebastián Bortnik): Razgovor koji ne vodimo o digitalnom zlostavljanju dece
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Treba da razgovaramo sa decom o rizicima sa kojima se susreću na internetu, kaže stručnjak za digitalnu sigurnost Sebastijan Bortnik. U svom govoru Bortnik opisuje „gruming“, seksualno zlostavljanje dece na internetu od strane odraslih, i daje pregled razgovora o tehnologiji koji moramo da povedemo da bi naša deca bila sigurna.
Sebastián Bortnik - Information security specialist
Sebastián Bortnik's work is focused on preventing cyber attacks. Full bio
Sebastián Bortnik's work is focused on preventing cyber attacks. Full bio
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Ovo je Fejsbuk Nine Rodriges.
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This is Nina Rodríguez's Facebook profile.
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Imala je tri različita profila
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This person had three different profiles
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and 890 kids between 8 and 13 years old
among her friends list.
among her friends list.
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i 890 dečaka od 8 do 13 godina
u svojim kontaktima.
u svojim kontaktima.
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These are excerpts of a chat
with one of those kids.
with one of those kids.
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Ovo su delovi jednog razgovora
sa jednim od tih dečaka.
sa jednim od tih dečaka.
Konverzacija je tekstualna
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This is an exact copy of the chat.
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i nalazi se u dosijeu.
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It's part of the case file.
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Ovaj dečak je počeo
da joj šalje intimne fotografije,
da joj šalje intimne fotografije,
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This kid started sending private photos
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dok njegova porodica nije saznala.
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until his family realized
what was going on.
what was going on.
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Prijava i kasnija istraga
odveli su ih do jedne adrese.
odveli su ih do jedne adrese.
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The police report and subsequent
investigation lead them to a house.
investigation lead them to a house.
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This was the girl's bedroom.
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Ovo je bila devojčicina soba.
Nina Rodriges je zapravo
bio muškarac od 24 godine,
bio muškarac od 24 godine,
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Nina Rodríguez was actually
a 24-year-old man
a 24-year-old man
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koji je ovo radio sa mnogo maloletnika.
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that used to do this with lots of kids.
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Mikaela Ortega je imala 12 godina
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Micaela Ortega was 12 years old
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kada je otišla da se nađe
sa novom prijateljicom sa Fejsbuka,
sa novom prijateljicom sa Fejsbuka,
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when she went to meet
her new Facebook friend,
her new Facebook friend,
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also 12.
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istog uzrasta.
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"Rochi de River," was her name.
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Predstavljala se kao Roći de River.
U stvarnosti se našla
sa Džonatanom Lunom, od 26 godina,
sa Džonatanom Lunom, od 26 godina,
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She actually met Jonathan Luna,
who was 26 years old.
who was 26 years old.
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koji je, kad su ga konačno uhvatili,
priznao da ju je ubio,
priznao da ju je ubio,
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When they finally caught him,
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he confessed that he killed the girl
because she refused to have sex with him.
because she refused to have sex with him.
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jer devojčica nije htela
da ima seksualne odnose.
da ima seksualne odnose.
Imao je četiri profila na Fejsbuku
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He had four Facebook profiles
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and 1,700 women on his contact list;
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i 1 700 žena u svojim kontaktima.
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90 percent of them
were under 13 years old.
were under 13 years old.
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Devedeset posto njih
bile su mlađe od 13 godina.
bile su mlađe od 13 godina.
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These are two different
cases of "grooming":
cases of "grooming":
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Ovo su dve različite vrste „gruminga“:
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an adult contacts a kid
through the internet,
through the internet,
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odrasla osoba uspostavi kontakt
sa maloletnikom preko interneta,
sa maloletnikom preko interneta,
i pomoću manipulacije ili prevare,
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and through manipulation or lying,
leads that kid into sexual territory --
leads that kid into sexual territory --
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navodi ih na teritoriju seksa,
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from talking about sex
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od pričanja o seksu
do deljenja intimnih fotografija,
do deljenja intimnih fotografija,
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to sharing private photos,
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snimanja preko veb kamere,
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recording the kid using a webcam
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ili ugovaranja susreta uživo.
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or arranging an in-person meeting.
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02:14
This is grooming.
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To je gruming.
Dešava se i širi se.
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This is happening, and it's on the rise.
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The question is: What are we going to do?
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Postavlja se pitanje:
„Šta ćemo da uradimo?“
„Šta ćemo da uradimo?“
jer, u međuvremenu, deca su sama.
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Because, in the meantime, kids are alone.
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Završili su sa večerom, idu u svoju sobu,
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They finish dinner, go to their rooms,
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zatvaraju vrata,
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close the door,
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uzimaju računar, mobilni,
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get on their computer, their cell phones,
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i ulaze u bar,
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and get into a bar,
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u diskoteku.
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into a club.
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Think for one second
about what I've just said:
about what I've just said:
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Razmislite na trenutak
o onome što sam vam upravo rekao:
o onome što sam vam upravo rekao:
nalaze se na jednom mestu
punom nepoznatih osoba
punom nepoznatih osoba
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they're in a place full of strangers
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bez ikakvih stega.
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in an uninhibited environment.
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The internet broke physical boundaries.
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Internet je razbio fizičke barijere.
Kada smo sami u sobi
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When we're alone in our bedroom
and we go online,
and we go online,
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i povežemo se na internet,
u suštini nismo sami.
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we're not really alone.
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Postoje bar dva razloga
zbog kojih se ne bavimo ovom temom,
zbog kojih se ne bavimo ovom temom,
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There are at least two reasons
why we're not taking care of this,
why we're not taking care of this,
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ili barem ne na pravi način.
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or at least not in the right way.
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Prvi razlog je što smo uvereni
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First, we're sure that everything
that happens online is "virtual."
that happens online is "virtual."
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da je sve što se dešava
na internetu virtuelno.
na internetu virtuelno.
Zapravo, zovemo ga tako, „virtuelni svet“.
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In fact, we call it "the virtual world."
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If you look it up in the dictionary,
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Ako potražite u rečniku,
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something virtual is something
that seems to exist
that seems to exist
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nešto što je virtuelno je nešto
čije je postojanje prividno i nerealno.
čije je postojanje prividno i nerealno.
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but is not real.
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Koristimo tu reč kada mislimo na internet:
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And we use that word
to talk about the internet:
to talk about the internet:
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nešto što nije stvarno.
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something not real.
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To je problem kod gruminga,
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And that's the problem with grooming.
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It is real.
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što je stvaran.
Odrasle izopačene, perverzne osobe
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Degenerate, perverted adults
use the internet to abuse boys and girls
use the internet to abuse boys and girls
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koriste internet da bi iskoristile
dečake i devojčice.
dečake i devojčice.
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and take advantage of, among other things,
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I koriste se, između ostalog,
time što i deca i roditelji misle
da ono što se dešava tu nije stvarno.
da ono što se dešava tu nije stvarno.
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the fact that the kids and their parents
think that what happens online
think that what happens online
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doesn't actually happen.
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Pre nekoliko godina, sa par kolega,
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Several years ago,
some colleagues and I founded an NGO
some colleagues and I founded an NGO
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osnovali smo NVO
„Sajber sigurna Argentina“,
„Sajber sigurna Argentina“,
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called "Argentina Cibersegura,"
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dedicated to raising awareness
about online safety.
about online safety.
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posvećenu osvešćivanju ljudi
o sigurnom surfovanju na internetu.
o sigurnom surfovanju na internetu.
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In 2013, we attended meetings
at the House of Legislature
at the House of Legislature
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Godine 2013. učestvovali smo na sastancima
poslaničke komore,
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to discuss a law about grooming.
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na kojima se razgovaralo
o zakonu o grumingu.
o zakonu o grumingu.
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I remember that a lot of people thought
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Sećam se da je za mnoge
gruming bio samo korak koji je prethodio
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that grooming was strictly a precursor
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to arranging an in-person meeting
with a kid to have sex with them.
with a kid to have sex with them.
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ugovaranju susreta uživo sa decom
i seksu sa njima.
i seksu sa njima.
Ali nisu razmišljali
šta se dešava sa decom
šta se dešava sa decom
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But they didn't think about what happened
to the kids who were exposed
to the kids who were exposed
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koja su bila izložena razgovoru o seksu
sa odraslom osobom, a da to ne znaju,
sa odraslom osobom, a da to ne znaju,
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by talking about sex
with an adult without knowing it,
with an adult without knowing it,
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decom koja su slala intimne fotografije,
misleći da ih gleda drugo dete,
misleći da ih gleda drugo dete,
04:37
or who shared intimate photos thinking
only another kid would see them,
only another kid would see them,
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ili još gore,
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or even worse,
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04:43
who had exposed themselves
using their web cam.
using their web cam.
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koja su se snimala veb kamerom.
To niko nije video kao silovanje.
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Nobody considered that rape.
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Siguran sam da se mnogi od vas čude
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I'm sure lots of you find it odd to think
one person can abuse another
one person can abuse another
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kada pomisle da neka osoba
može da iskoristi drugu bez dodirivanja.
može da iskoristi drugu bez dodirivanja.
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without physical contact.
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04:57
We're programmed to think that way.
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Programirani smo da razmišljamo tako.
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I know, because I used to think that way.
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Znam to jer je bilo isto i u mom slučaju.
Bio sam samo tehničar
informacione bezbednosti
informacione bezbednosti
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I was just an IT security guy
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dok mi se nije desilo ovo.
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until this happened to me.
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05:11
At the end of 2011,
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Krajem 2011. godine,
u jednom malom gradu
u pokrajini Buenos Ajres,
u pokrajini Buenos Ajres,
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in a little town in Buenos Aires Province,
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I heard about a case for the first time.
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prvi put sam čuo za takav slučaj.
Nakon što sam održao jedno predavanje,
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After giving a talk,
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I met the parents of an 11-year-old girl
who had been a victim of grooming.
who had been a victim of grooming.
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prišli su mi roditelji
jedne devojčice od 11 godina
jedne devojčice od 11 godina
koja je bila žrtva gruminga.
05:30
A man had manipulated her
into masturbating in front of her web cam,
into masturbating in front of her web cam,
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Jedan čovek ju je nagovorio
da masturbira pred veb kamerom
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and recorded it.
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i snimio ju je.
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And the video was on several websites.
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Njegov video je kružio
po raznim sajtovima.
po raznim sajtovima.
Tog dana, njeni roditelji
su u suzama tražili
su u suzama tražili
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That day, her parents asked us, in tears,
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to tell them the magic formula
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da im damo uputstvo
za uklanjanje tog videa sa interneta.
za uklanjanje tog videa sa interneta.
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for how to delete those videos
from the internet.
from the internet.
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Duša me je zabolela,
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It broke my heart and changed me forever
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i delimično me je promenilo zauvek,
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to be their last disappointment,
telling them it was too late:
telling them it was too late:
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to što sam im potpuno srušio nadu
i rekao im da je već kasno:
i rekao im da je već kasno:
kada jedanput neki sadržaj
dođe na internet,
dođe na internet,
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once content is online,
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06:00
we've already lost control.
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tada gubimo kontrolu.
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Since that day, I think about that girl
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Od tog dana razmišljam o toj devojčici,
koja je ustajala ujutro
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waking up in the morning,
having breakfast with her family,
having breakfast with her family,
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i doručkovala sa svojom porodicom,
koja je videla njen snimak,
koja je videla njen snimak,
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who had seen the video,
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išla peške do škole
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and then walking to school, meeting
people that had seen her naked,
people that had seen her naked,
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i susretala se sa ljudima
koji su je videli nagu,
koji su je videli nagu,
dolazila u školu i igrala se
sa prijateljima koji su je takođe videli.
sa prijateljima koji su je takođe videli.
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arriving to school, playing with
her friends, who had also seen her.
her friends, who had also seen her.
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Tako je živela.
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That was her life.
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Izložena.
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Exposed.
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06:33
Of course, nobody raped her body.
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Naravno da niko nije silovao njeno telo.
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But hadn't her sexuality been abused?
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Ali zar nije bila zloupotrebljena
njena seksualnost?
njena seksualnost?
06:42
We clearly use different standards
to measure physical and digital things.
to measure physical and digital things.
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Jasno je da koristimo različite aršine
kada merimo fizičko i digitalno.
kada merimo fizičko i digitalno.
I ljutimo se na društvene mreže,
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And we get angry at social networks
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jer ako se naljutimo na sebe same,
onda je bolnije i iskrenije.
onda je bolnije i iskrenije.
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because being angry with ourselves
is more painful and more true.
is more painful and more true.
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Ovo nas vodi do drugog motiva
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And this brings us
to the second reason why
to the second reason why
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zbog kojeg se ne bavimo
adekvatno ovom temom.
adekvatno ovom temom.
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we aren't paying proper
attention to this issue.
attention to this issue.
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Ubeđeni smo
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We're convinced that kids
don't need our help,
don't need our help,
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da deci ne treba naša pomoć,
da im je „sve jasno“
u vezi sa tehnologijom.
u vezi sa tehnologijom.
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that they "know everything"
about technology.
about technology.
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07:12
When I was a kid,
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Kada sam ja bio dete,
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at one point, my parents started
letting me walk to school alone.
letting me walk to school alone.
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jednog momenta su me pustili
da sam idem peške do škole.
da sam idem peške do škole.
Nakon što su me roditelji
godinama pratili držeći me za ruku,
godinama pratili držeći me za ruku,
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After years of taking me by the hand
and walking me to school,
and walking me to school,
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tog dana su mi rekli da sednem,
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one day they sat me down,
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dali mi ključeve od kuće
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gave me the house keys
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07:27
and said, "Be very careful with these;
don't give them to anyone,
don't give them to anyone,
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i rekli mi: „Čuvaj ih dobro,
ne daj ih nikome,
ne daj ih nikome,
07:31
take the route we showed you,
be at home at the time we said,
be at home at the time we said,
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idi i vrati se onim putem
koji smo ti pokazali,
koji smo ti pokazali,
vrati se u vreme koje smo ti rekli,
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cross at the corner,
and look both ways before you cross,
and look both ways before you cross,
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pređi ulicu na uglu,
gledaj na obe strane pre prelaska,
gledaj na obe strane pre prelaska,
07:38
and no matter what,
don't talk to strangers."
don't talk to strangers."
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i, što je najvažnije,
ne pričaj sa nepoznatima.“
ne pričaj sa nepoznatima.“
07:44
I knew everything about walking,
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Meni je sve to bilo jasno
ali, bez obzira na to, tamo je bila figura
odrasle osobe zadužene da me čuva.
odrasle osobe zadužene da me čuva.
07:47
and yet, there was a responsible adult
there taking care of me.
there taking care of me.
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Jedna stvar je kada znaš da uradiš nešto,
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Knowing how to do something is one thing,
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a druga stvar je kada znaš da se čuvaš.
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knowing how to take care
of yourself is another.
of yourself is another.
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07:58
Imagine this situation:
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Zamislite sada ovu situaciju:
08:00
I'm 10 or 11 years old,
I wake up in the morning,
I wake up in the morning,
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imam 10 ili 11 godina, ustajem ujutro,
daju mi ključeve od kuće i kažu mi:
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my parents toss me the keys and say,
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„Seba, danas možeš da ideš peške u školu.“
08:05
"Seba, now you can walk to school alone."
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08:08
And when I come back late,
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A kada dođem kasnije,
08:11
they say, "No, you need to be home
at the time we said."
at the time we said."
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kažu mi: „A, ne! Moraš da dođeš
tačno kada smo ti rekli.“
tačno kada smo ti rekli.“
08:16
And two weeks later,
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A dve nedelje kasnije,
08:18
when it comes up,
they say, "You know what?
they say, "You know what?
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kada prelazim ulicu: „Znaš šta?
Moraš da pređeš ulicu na uglu
08:21
You have to cross at the corner,
and look both ways before crossing."
and look both ways before crossing."
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i da gledaš na obe strane
pre nego što pređeš.“
pre nego što pređeš.“
08:26
And two years later, they say,
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A dve godine kasnije:
08:29
"And also, don't talk to strangers."
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„A, da, i ne pričaj sa nepoznatima.“
08:34
It sounds absurd, right?
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Zvuči smešno, zar ne?
08:38
We have the same absurd behavior
in relation to technology.
in relation to technology.
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Tako smešno se ponašamo sa tehnologijom.
08:42
We give kids total access
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Damo deci celokupan pristup
08:44
and we see if one day, sooner or later,
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i gledamo da li će jednog dana,
pre ili kasnije,
pre ili kasnije,
naučiti da se paze.
08:47
they learn how to take care of themselves.
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Jedna stvar je kada znate
da uradite nešto,
da uradite nešto,
08:50
Knowing how to do something is one thing,
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a druga stvar je kada znate da se čuvate.
08:52
knowing how to take care
of yourself is another.
of yourself is another.
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Isto tako, kada držimo
predavanja roditeljima,
predavanja roditeljima,
08:56
Along those same lines,
when we talk to parents,
when we talk to parents,
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08:59
they often say they don't care
about technology and social networks.
about technology and social networks.
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često nam kažu
da ih ne zanima tehnologija,
da ih ne zanima tehnologija,
da ih ne interesuju društvene mreže.
09:06
I always rejoin that by asking
if they care about their kids.
if they care about their kids.
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Uvek im postavim pitanje
da li ih interesuju njihova deca.
da li ih interesuju njihova deca.
Kao odrasle osobe, da li ćemo
se približiti tehnologiji ili ne
se približiti tehnologiji ili ne
09:09
As adults, being interested
or not in technology
or not in technology
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09:12
is the same as being interested
or not in our kids.
or not in our kids.
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isto je kao i da li ćemo
se približiti deci ili ne.
se približiti deci ili ne.
09:15
The internet is part of their lives.
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Internet je deo njihovih života.
09:18
Technology forces us to rethink
the relationship between adults and kids.
the relationship between adults and kids.
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Tehnologija nas obavezuje
da preispitamo vezu
između odraslih i dece.
između odraslih i dece.
09:24
Education was always based
on two main concepts:
on two main concepts:
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Obrazovanje se oduvek
oslanjalo na dve stvari:
oslanjalo na dve stvari:
na iskustvo i na znanje.
09:28
experience and knowledge.
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Kako onda da naučimo decu
da sigurno surfuju po internetu
da sigurno surfuju po internetu
09:32
How do we teach our kids to be safe online
when we don't have either?
when we don't have either?
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ako nemamo ništa od ovoga?
09:40
Nowadays, we adults
have to guide our children
have to guide our children
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Danas kao odrasli
moramo da usmeravamo decu
moramo da usmeravamo decu
na poljima koja često ne poznajemo
09:42
through what is often for us
unfamiliar territory --
unfamiliar territory --
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i koja su njima poznatija.
09:45
territory much more inviting for them.
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U tom slučaju nemoguće je naći odgovor
09:49
It's impossible to find an answer
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09:52
without doing new things --
things that make us uncomfortable,
things that make us uncomfortable,
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a da ne uradimo nešto novo
što nam ne prija
što nam ne prija
i na šta nismo naviknuti.
09:55
things we're not used to.
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09:59
A lot of you may think it's easy for me,
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Mnogi od vas će pomisliti
da je ovo lako za mene
da je ovo lako za mene
jer sam relativno mlad.
10:02
because I'm relatively young.
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10:04
And it used to be that way.
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I većinom je bilo tako.
10:07
Used to.
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Bilo.
Sve do prošle godine,
10:10
Until last year,
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10:12
when I felt the weight
of my age on my shoulders
of my age on my shoulders
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kada sam osetio težinu godina
na svojim ramenima
na svojim ramenima
prvi put kada sam otvorio Snepčet.
10:17
the first time I opened Snapchat.
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(Smeh)
10:22
(Laughter)
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(Aplauz)
10:26
(Applause)
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Ništa mi nije bilo jasno!
10:31
I didn't understand a thing!
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Pomislio sam da je to jedna
nepotrebna društvena mreža,
nepotrebna društvena mreža,
10:35
I found it unnecessary,
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10:37
useless, hard to understand;
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nekorisna, nerazumljiva;
10:40
it looked like a camera!
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izgledala je kao fotoaparat!
10:42
It didn't have menu options!
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Nije imala meni sa opcijama!
To je bio prvi put kada sam osetio jaz
10:46
It was the first time I felt the gap
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koji se ponekad javlja
između dece i odraslih.
između dece i odraslih.
10:49
that sometimes exists
between kids and adults.
between kids and adults.
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Ali u isto vreme, to je bila prilika
da uradim šta treba:
da uradim šta treba:
10:53
But it was also an opportunity
to do the right thing,
to do the right thing,
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10:57
to leave my comfort zone, to force myself.
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da izađem iz zone komfora
i da se nateram da radim.
i da se nateram da radim.
Prvo sam obećao sebi
da nikada više neću koristiti Snepčet.
da nikada više neću koristiti Snepčet.
11:00
I never thought I'd ever use Snapchat,
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11:04
but then I asked my teenage cousin
to show me how to use it.
to show me how to use it.
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Ali kasnije sam zamolio
svoju rođaku adolescentkinju
svoju rođaku adolescentkinju
da mi objasni kako se koristi.
I, takođe, zašto to koristi.
11:10
I also asked why she used it.
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Šta ju je tu zabavljalo?
11:12
What was fun about it?
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Imali smo divan razgovor.
11:15
We had a really nice talk.
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Pokazala mi je svoj Snepčet,
ispričala mi neke stvari,
ispričala mi neke stvari,
11:17
She showed me her Snapchat,
she told me things,
she told me things,
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11:20
we got closer, we laughed.
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zbližili smo se, smejali se.
11:24
Today, I use it.
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Danas ga koristim...
(Smeh)
11:26
(Laughter)
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ne znam da li dobro,
11:28
I don't know if I do it right,
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ali najvažnije je da ga poznajem
11:30
but the most important thing
is that I know it and I understand it.
is that I know it and I understand it.
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i da ga razumem.
11:36
The key was to overcome the initial shock
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Bilo je bitno da se podstaknem
da se odvojim od prvobitnog utiska,
da se odvojim od prvobitnog utiska,
11:40
and do something new.
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da se upustim u nešto novo;
11:43
Something new.
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nešto novo.
11:45
Today, we have the chance
to create new conversations.
to create new conversations.
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Danas imamo priliku
da stvaramo nove dijaloge.
da stvaramo nove dijaloge.
Koja je poslednja aplikacija
koju si skinuo?
koju si skinuo?
11:49
What's the last app you downloaded?
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Koju društvenu mrežu koristiš
za komunikaciju sa prijateljima?
za komunikaciju sa prijateljima?
11:51
Which social network do you use
to contact your friends?
to contact your friends?
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Koje informacije objavljuješ?
11:55
What kind of information do you share?
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Da li je neka nepoznata osoba
pokušala da razgovara sa tobom?
pokušala da razgovara sa tobom?
11:58
Have you ever been
approached by strangers?
approached by strangers?
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12:02
Could we have these conversations
between kids and adults?
between kids and adults?
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Da li možemo da vodimo
ovakve razgovore, deco i odrasli?
ovakve razgovore, deco i odrasli?
12:07
We have to force ourselves
to do it. All of us.
to do it. All of us.
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Moramo da se nateramo, svi.
Ovde ima dosta mladih koji nas slušaju.
12:10
Today, lots of kids are listening to us.
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Često kada im držimo predavanja u školama
12:16
Sometimes when we go
to schools to give our talks,
to schools to give our talks,
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12:19
or through social networks,
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ili putem društvenih mreža,
deca nas pitaju ili nam pričaju stvari
12:21
kids ask or tell us things
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koje se još nisu usudili da kažu
svojim roditeljima ili nastavnicima -
svojim roditeljima ili nastavnicima -
12:23
they haven't told
their parents or their teachers.
their parents or their teachers.
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nama, koje i ne poznaju.
12:27
They tell us -- they don't even know us.
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Ova deca treba da znaju
12:32
Those kids need to know
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12:36
what the risks of being online are,
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koji rizici postoje
pri surfovanju na internetu,
pri surfovanju na internetu,
kako da se čuvaju,
12:40
how to take care of themselves,
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ali što je još važnije od toga,
kao i skoro sve ostalo,
kao i skoro sve ostalo,
12:41
but also that, fundamentally,
as with almost everything else,
as with almost everything else,
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12:45
kids can learn this from any adult.
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kada su deca, mogu da nauče
od bilo koje odrasle osobe.
od bilo koje odrasle osobe.
12:51
Online safety needs to be
a conversation topic
a conversation topic
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Sigurno surfovanje po internetu
mora da bude tema razgovora
mora da bude tema razgovora
u svakoj kući i u svakoj učionici
u okviru cele zemlje.
u okviru cele zemlje.
12:55
in every house and every
classroom in the country.
classroom in the country.
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U jednoj anketi
koju smo sproveli ove godine,
koju smo sproveli ove godine,
12:59
We did a survey this year that showed
that 15 percent of schools said
that 15 percent of schools said
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15 odsto škola je naglasilo
da se susrelo sa slučajevima gruminga
da se susrelo sa slučajevima gruminga
13:04
they knew of cases of grooming
in their school.
in their school.
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u svojoj instituciji.
13:07
And this number is growing.
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A broj se povećava.
Tehnologija je promenila
sve aspekte našeg života,
sve aspekte našeg života,
13:11
Technology changed
every aspect of our life,
every aspect of our life,
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including the risks we face
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uključujući rizike sa kojima se susrećemo
13:18
and how we take care of ourselves.
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i način na koji se čuvamo.
13:20
Grooming shows us this
in the most painful way:
in the most painful way:
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A gruming nam to pokazuje
na najbolniji način:
na najbolniji način:
petljajući se sa decom.
13:25
by involving our kids.
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13:28
Are we going to do something
to avoid this?
to avoid this?
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Da li ćemo se uključiti da to izbegnemo?
Rešenje počinje nečim
tako običnim poput ovoga:
tako običnim poput ovoga:
13:32
The solution starts
with something as easy as:
with something as easy as:
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razgovarom o temi.
13:36
talking about it.
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Hvala puno.
13:37
Thank you.
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(Aplauz)
13:38
(Applause)
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sebastián Bortnik - Information security specialistSebastián Bortnik's work is focused on preventing cyber attacks.
Why you should listen
Sebastián Bortnik is an information security specialist with more than ten years of work experience in the field. He has been working on research and education on cyber attacks since the beginning of his career. He's currently head of research for Onapsis, a company dedicated to protecting ERP and business-critical applications in big companies. Previously, he led a research and technology team for an antivirus company in Latin America focused on malware analysis and cyber attacks research.
Bortnik is one of the founding members of a non-profit organization in Argentina, Argentina Cibersegura, which is focused on raising awareness within the community on how to prevent cyber attacks. As its leader, he has helped create a network with more than 200 volunteers around the country that teach how to use technologies in a safer way to thousands of kids every year.
Bortnik has written several articles and delivered many talks at different conferences around the world. He is passionate about education and believes that everybody needs to understand the impact technology has on our lives and safety.
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