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Sarah Donnelly: How work kept me going during my cancer treatment
莎菈·唐諾莉: 工作如何在癌症治療期間協助我走下去
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被診斷出乳癌的律師莎菈·唐諾莉向朋友和家人尋求支持，但最後卻在工作上找到了意義、專注和穩定。她談為何與如何留在工作崗位上，說工作場所能協助大家渡過疾病，因為益處是雙向的。
Sarah Donnelly - Lawyer
Westpac's Sarah Donnelly wants to encourage more open conversations about why and how an individual might continue to work while undergoing treatment for serious illnesses. Full bio
Westpac's Sarah Donnelly wants to encourage more open conversations about why and how an individual might continue to work while undergoing treatment for serious illnesses. Full bio
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00:13
It was June 2014.
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2014 年 6 月，
00:16
I was 30 years old,
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我 30 歲，
00:19
and I received a call
from my doctor's office
from my doctor's office
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我的醫生的辦公室打了通電話給我，
00:21
to say my test results were in.
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說我的檢驗結果出來了。
00:24
So I walked up to see her
in my lunch break, and my doctor said
in my lunch break, and my doctor said
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所以，我在午休時間
去找我的醫生，她說
去找我的醫生，她說
00:28
she was very sorry to tell me
that I had breast cancer.
that I had breast cancer.
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她非常遺憾要告訴我，我得了乳癌。
00:34
I didn't want to believe her
and at first, I didn't.
and at first, I didn't.
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我不想相信她，
一開始，我的確不相信。
一開始，我的確不相信。
00:38
You see, I'm a lawyer
and I needed some evidence.
and I needed some evidence.
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要知道，我是個律師，我需要證據。
00:42
So I'm very embarrassed to tell you all
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所以，我非常不好意思地告訴各位，
00:45
that I stood up and I walked around
to where she was sitting
to where she was sitting
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我站起來，繞到她坐的地方後面，
00:49
so that I could look
over her shoulder and verify
over her shoulder and verify
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這樣我才能從她肩上看到並確認
00:52
what was written
on the page in front of her.
on the page in front of her.
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她面前的那張紙上寫了什麼。
00:54
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
00:55
Malignant carcinoma.
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惡性腫瘤。
00:57
But still not wanting
to believe it, I said,
to believe it, I said,
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但我還是不願相信，我說：
01:01
"Now, malignant carcinoma,
you're sure that means cancer?"
you're sure that means cancer?"
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「惡性腫瘤，你確定
它的意思就是癌症嗎？」
它的意思就是癌症嗎？」
01:06
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
01:08
She told me she was sure.
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她告訴我，她很肯定。
01:11
Back at work, I handed over
the urgent things that needed to be done
the urgent things that needed to be done
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回到工作上，我把
需要處理的急事都交付出去，
需要處理的急事都交付出去，
01:14
while I was having more tests
to see if my cancer had spread.
to see if my cancer had spread.
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同時我接受更多檢測，
看我的癌症是否有擴散。
看我的癌症是否有擴散。
01:18
But at that moment,
work wasn't my priority.
work wasn't my priority.
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但在那時刻，
工作不是我的第一要務。
工作不是我的第一要務。
01:23
I was thinking about how I was going
to tell my family and friends
to tell my family and friends
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我在想的是，我要如何
告訴我的家人和朋友
告訴我的家人和朋友
01:26
that I had cancer.
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我得了癌症。
01:28
How I was going to answer their questions
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他們可能會問我一些問題，
01:30
about how bad it was
and whether I was going to be OK,
and whether I was going to be OK,
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比如狀況有多糟，我是否會沒事，
而我都不知道答案，要如何回答？
01:33
when I didn't know that myself.
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01:36
I was wondering if my partner and I
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我在納悶，我的另一半和我
01:38
would ever have an opportunity
to start a family.
to start a family.
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是否會有機會成家。
01:41
And I was figuring out
how I was going to tell my mother,
how I was going to tell my mother,
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我在想著，我要如何告訴我媽媽，
01:44
who had herself had breast cancer
when she was pregnant with me.
when she was pregnant with me.
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她自己在懷我的時候也得了乳癌。
01:49
She would know how I was feeling
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她會懂我的感受
01:51
and have an idea of what lay ahead for me.
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且知道我接下來要面對什麼。
01:53
But I also didn't want her
to have to relive her cancer experience.
to have to relive her cancer experience.
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但我也不想讓她
再走過一次她的癌症經驗。
再走過一次她的癌症經驗。
01:59
What I didn't appreciate at the time
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我當時還不知道，
02:01
was that work was about to play
a huge role in my treatment and recovery.
a huge role in my treatment and recovery.
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工作將會在我的治療和恢復中
扮演很重要的角色。
扮演很重要的角色。
02:07
That it would be my coworkers and my job
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後來是我的同事和我的工作
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that would make me feel valuable and human
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讓我覺得我有價值、我是人，
02:12
at times when I would have
otherwise felt like a statistic.
otherwise felt like a statistic.
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要不然，我那時可能
會覺得自己只是統計數字。
會覺得自己只是統計數字。
02:16
That it would be my job
that would give me routine and stability
that would give me routine and stability
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是我的工作給了我
例行公事和穩定性，
例行公事和穩定性，
02:20
when I was dealing with so many
difficult personal decisions
difficult personal decisions
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那時我需要處理好多困難的個人決定
02:23
and so much uncertainty.
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和好多的不確定性。
02:25
Like, what sort of breast
reconstruction I was going to have.
reconstruction I was going to have.
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比如，我要做哪一種乳房重建。
02:30
And at a time like that,
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在那樣的時刻，
02:32
you would think that I would turn
to my family and friends for support.
to my family and friends for support.
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你們可能會認為，
我應該向家人朋友尋求支持。
我應該向家人朋友尋求支持。
02:35
And yes, of course I did that.
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是的，當然我有這麼做。
02:39
But it would ultimately be my colleagues
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但最終還是我的同事
02:41
who would play a huge role
in my day-to-day life.
in my day-to-day life.
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在我每天的生活中扮演重要的角色。
02:46
And they would be
the ones to make me laugh.
the ones to make me laugh.
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讓我笑的人是他們。
02:49
You see, we were a pretty close team,
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我們是個很親密的團隊，
02:52
and we shared a couple
of really good in-jokes,
of really good in-jokes,
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我們有一些只有自己人
才知道的笑話，
才知道的笑話，
02:55
like this time they overheard
someone ask me
someone ask me
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比如，有一次他們
不小心聽到有人問我
不小心聽到有人問我
02:59
how I got my hair so shiny and perfect --
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怎樣能使頭髮如此閃亮、完美──
03:04
without knowing that it was,
of course, a wig,
of course, a wig,
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卻完全不知道，那是假髮，
03:07
and you know, it was a very good wig
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而且那是頂很好的假髮，
03:09
and it did make getting ready
in the mornings very easy.
in the mornings very easy.
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它也讓早上起床之後的
梳妝整理變得很容易。
梳妝整理變得很容易。
03:12
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
03:13
But in little moments like this,
I appreciated what their support meant,
I appreciated what their support meant,
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但像這樣的小小時刻，
我很感謝他們的支持帶給我的意義，
我很感謝他們的支持帶給我的意義，
03:18
and I wondered what I would
have done without that network.
have done without that network.
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若沒有那支持關係，
我不知道我該怎麼辦。
我不知道我該怎麼辦。
03:22
I've spoken with so many people,
women in particular,
women in particular,
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我和好多人談過，特別是女性，
03:26
who haven't had the chance
to have that network
to have that network
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都是沒有機會擁有那種關係網絡的人，
03:29
because they haven't been given
the opportunity to work through treatment.
the opportunity to work through treatment.
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因為他們在治療的過程中
都沒有機會工作。
都沒有機會工作。
03:35
And there are several reasons for this.
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這背後有好幾個原因。
03:37
But I think it mostly comes down
to overly paternalistic employers.
to overly paternalistic employers.
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但我認為主要的原因是
僱主太過家長作風了。
僱主太過家長作風了。
03:42
These employers want you to go away
and focus on yourself.
and focus on yourself.
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這些僱主希望你走開，
專注在自己身上就好。
專注在自己身上就好。
03:47
And come back when you're better.
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當你比較好之後再回來。
03:50
And they use those kinds of phrases.
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他們會用像那樣的說詞。
03:53
And while these responses
are well-meaning,
are well-meaning,
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雖然他們的這些反應都是出於好意，
03:56
knowing the benefits it brought me,
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但我知道工作帶給我的益處，
03:58
it makes me incredibly frustrated
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所以當聽到癌症病人被告知
他們不能或不該工作時，
我就會覺得非常灰心，
我就會覺得非常灰心，
04:01
when people are told
that they couldn’t or shouldn't work,
that they couldn’t or shouldn't work,
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04:05
when it's something that they want to do
and physically can do.
and physically can do.
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因為他們想要工作，
且身體上也能夠辦到。
且身體上也能夠辦到。
04:09
So I started to look into
what an employer is required to do
what an employer is required to do
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所以我開始研究，當員工向僱主提出
04:12
when someone presents
with a cancer diagnosis.
with a cancer diagnosis.
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癌症診斷書時，僱主需要做什麼。
04:16
I discovered that under Australian law,
cancer is considered a disability.
cancer is considered a disability.
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我發現，在澳洲法律中，
癌症被視為殘疾。
癌症被視為殘疾。
04:21
So if you are unable to perform
your usual work duties,
your usual work duties,
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所以，如果你無法進行
你平常的工作職責，
你平常的工作職責，
04:25
your employer is obligated
by the Disability Discrimination Act
by the Disability Discrimination Act
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根據殘疾歧視法案，你的僱主有義務
04:29
to make reasonable adjustments
to your working arrangements,
to your working arrangements,
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要針對你的工作安排做合理的調整，
04:32
so that you can continue to work.
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讓你能夠繼續工作。
04:36
What would reasonable
adjustments look like for me?
adjustments look like for me?
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對我來說，合理的調整是什麼樣的？
04:40
I knew the obvious impacts
my diagnosis was going to have on work.
my diagnosis was going to have on work.
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我知道我的診斷對於工作
會有哪些明顯的影響。
會有哪些明顯的影響。
04:45
Medical appointments would be scheduled
during business hours,
during business hours,
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醫療診治的時間都排訂在上班時段，
04:48
and I knew that I would need time off
to recover from surgical procedures.
to recover from surgical procedures.
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我也知道在手術之後
我會需要時間恢復。
我會需要時間恢復。
04:53
Again, being a typical lawyer,
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同樣的，身為很典型的律師，
04:55
I had done my due diligence
on what to expect from treatment.
on what to expect from treatment.
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對於治療要有什麼樣的期待，
我已做了法律相關的盡職調查。
我已做了法律相關的盡職調查。
05:00
Admittedly, a lot of that
was through Doctor Google,
was through Doctor Google,
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無可否認，許多調查
是通過 Google 教授做的，
是通過 Google 教授做的，
05:02
perhaps not my best move
and I wouldn't recommend that.
and I wouldn't recommend that.
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那可能不是我最好的對策，
我不建議這麼做。
我不建議這麼做。
05:05
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
05:07
But while I was ready
for all the physical side effects,
for all the physical side effects,
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雖然我準備好迎接
所有身體上的副作用，
所有身體上的副作用，
05:10
what really scared me
was this thing called chemo brain.
was this thing called chemo brain.
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真正讓我害怕的，
是所謂的「化療腦」。
是所謂的「化療腦」。
05:15
Chemo brain presents itself
through memory loss,
through memory loss,
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化療腦出現的形式包括記憶喪失、
05:18
an inability to concentrate
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無法專心，
05:20
and an inability to solve problems.
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以及無法解決問題。
05:23
And if this happened to me,
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如果這發生在我身上，
05:25
I wondered how I was going to do
my job as a lawyer.
my job as a lawyer.
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我不知道我要如何做我的律師工作。
05:28
Would I be forced to leave work?
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我會被迫離開工作嗎？
05:30
And how could I possibly
have a discussion with my manager
have a discussion with my manager
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我怎麼可能和我的經理討論
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about reasonable adjustments
to my working arrangements
to my working arrangements
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我的工作安排要做哪些合理調整，
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when I didn't know
how I was going to be impacted?
how I was going to be impacted?
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如果我連我會如何被影響都不知道？
05:41
I was fortunate to have
a supportive manager
a supportive manager
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我很幸運，有個支持我的經理，
05:45
who was happy to see
how things went as we went along,
how things went as we went along,
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他很樂意隨著發展再看狀況如何，
05:48
rather than requiring
a concrete plan up front.
a concrete plan up front.
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而不是要求事前就要有具體的計畫。
05:53
I was lucky that while
he may not have even known
he may not have even known
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我很幸運，他甚至可能不知道
05:56
about this concept
of reasonable adjustments,
of reasonable adjustments,
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這個合理調整的觀念，
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to him, it was just common sense.
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對他來說，這只是常識。
06:03
But I've learned that it's not
common sense to everyone.
common sense to everyone.
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但我發現這並非對所有人都是常識。
06:08
Everyone going through treatment
will learn how it impacts them
will learn how it impacts them
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所有要經歷治療的人，
都會了解到治療對他們的影響，
都會了解到治療對他們的影響，
06:11
and what their limitations are.
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以及他們的限制是什麼。
06:14
And they'll learn to adjust for that.
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他們會學會做相應的調整。
06:16
So for me, there were the tips and tricks
that I learned about the treatment itself,
that I learned about the treatment itself,
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所以，對我來說，關於治療本身，
我學到了一些密訣和訣竅，
我學到了一些密訣和訣竅，
06:21
like, before you go to chemo,
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比如，在你去化療之前，
06:23
you need to make sure
you're really well hydrated
you're really well hydrated
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你得要確保你自己有足夠的水分，
06:25
and that you're warm, because it helps
the nurses to find your veins.
the nurses to find your veins.
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且要注意保暖，因為那樣
能協助護士找到你的靜脈。
能協助護士找到你的靜脈。
06:29
And make sure that you don't eat
any of your favorite food,
any of your favorite food,
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還要確保你不吃任何你最愛的食物，
06:32
either before or after chemo,
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化療前或化療後都不行，
06:34
because you're going to be
throwing that up
throwing that up
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因為你會把它吐出來，
06:36
and you won't ever
want to look at it again.
want to look at it again.
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且你永遠不會想要再看它一眼了。
06:38
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
06:40
I learned that one the hard way.
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這點我是從痛苦經驗學來的。
06:42
And then there were the tricks
for managing my workflow.
for managing my workflow.
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另外，還有關於管理
我的工作流程的訣竅。
我的工作流程的訣竅。
06:45
I scheduled chemo for first thing
on a Monday morning.
on a Monday morning.
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我把化療安排為
星期一早上的第一件事。
星期一早上的第一件事。
06:49
I knew that from the time
I left the cancer care unit,
I left the cancer care unit,
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我知道從我離開癌症照護單位之後，
06:52
I had about four hours
before this fog screen would come down
before this fog screen would come down
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我會有大約四小時時間，
接著霧幕就會出現，
接著霧幕就會出現，
06:56
and I would start to be sick.
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我就會開始不舒服。
06:58
So I would use that time to clean my inbox
and make any urgent calls.
and make any urgent calls.
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我會用那段時間，清理我的
收件匣並打一些緊急的電話。
收件匣並打一些緊急的電話。
07:04
The worst of the sickness would be gone
within about 48 hours.
within about 48 hours.
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最不舒服的狀況會在
48 小時以內就過去。
48 小時以內就過去。
07:08
And then I would log back
into work from home.
into work from home.
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接著我會從家中開始工作。
07:12
This treatment continued
and I knew what to expect.
and I knew what to expect.
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治療繼續下去，
而我知道該預期什麼。
而我知道該預期什麼。
07:15
I was able to set reasonable expectations
with my business partners
with my business partners
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我能夠和我的生意伙伴
設下合理的期望，
設下合理的期望，
07:18
about what I could do
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關於我能做些什麼，
07:20
and the time frames that I could do it in.
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以及我要多少時間來完成期望。
07:23
But I still remember
the hesitation in their voices
the hesitation in their voices
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但我還記得，他們帶著
遲疑的聲音來找我，
遲疑的聲音來找我，
07:27
when it came to asking for things.
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要求我做一些事，
07:29
And asking me to do things
by a certain time.
by a certain time.
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要求我在某個時限內完成事情。
07:32
And trust me, these were people
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相信我，這些人都
07:34
that were not afraid
of setting a good deadline.
of setting a good deadline.
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不怕設下好的截止期限。
07:36
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
07:38
I got the impression they didn't want
to put any extra pressure on me
to put any extra pressure on me
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我的印象是，他們不想
在我身上增加額外的壓力，
在我身上增加額外的壓力，
07:42
while I was going through treatment.
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因為我一邊要接受治療。
07:44
And while I appreciated the sentiment,
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雖然我很感謝那樣的情操，
07:46
I actually needed the deadlines.
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我其實是需要截止期限的。
07:49
To me, that was something
within my control
within my control
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對我來說，那是我能控制的東西，
07:51
and something
that could stay in my control
that could stay in my control
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且是我能持續控制的東西，
07:54
when there were so many
things that couldn't.
things that couldn't.
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在這時期有太多我無法控制的了。
07:57
And as I was working from home,
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當我在家工作時，
08:00
I was thinking about how employers
should be applying this concept
should be applying this concept
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我在想在我們目前
這個時代，僱主要如何把
這個時代，僱主要如何把
08:03
of reasonable adjustments
in our current age,
in our current age,
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這合理調整的概念實際應用出來，
08:06
where one in two Australian men and women
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現在，在澳洲，每兩位
男性及女性中就有一位，
男性及女性中就有一位，
08:10
will be diagnosed with cancer
by the age of 85.
by the age of 85.
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會在 85 歲之前被診斷出癌症。
08:13
So, as we continue to work
longer and longer into older age,
longer and longer into older age,
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隨著我們在職場上工作越久，
我們的年齡也在增長，
我們的年齡也在增長，
08:18
the chances of having a serious illness
while we're in the workforce
while we're in the workforce
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在職場上工作時
得到嚴重疾病的可能性
得到嚴重疾病的可能性
08:22
are increasing.
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也在增加。
08:24
And with technology enabling us
to work anywhere, any time,
to work anywhere, any time,
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現在科技讓我們可以
在任何地方、任何時間工作，
在任何地方、任何時間工作，
08:29
reasonable adjustments
are no longer contingent upon
are no longer contingent upon
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合理調整就不再受限於
08:33
whether or not you can continue
to physically make it
to physically make it
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你是否能持續實際去
實體的辦公室工作。
實體的辦公室工作。
08:36
into the physical office.
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08:39
Reasonable adjustments are also not about
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合理調整的重點也不在於
08:41
just offering a longer break
or a comfier chair to sit in,
or a comfier chair to sit in,
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提供更長的休息時間
和更舒服的座椅，
和更舒服的座椅，
08:45
although those things might be good, too.
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不過能有這些也不賴。
08:48
At the very least,
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最少，
08:50
we need to be applying
the flexibility policies and strategies
the flexibility policies and strategies
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我們必須要能夠實施我們為其他情況
發展出來彈性政策和策略，
08:53
we've developed for other scenarios,
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08:55
like for people
with family responsibilities.
with family responsibilities.
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比如為了有家庭責任的人所發展的。
08:59
But how can we ensure that people
are even having a conversation
are even having a conversation
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但我們要如何確保大家有機會進行
09:04
about what reasonable adjustments
might look like for them
might look like for them
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怎樣合理調整才適合的對話，
09:07
if a manager's first response is to say,
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如果經理的第一個反應就是說：
09:10
"Oh no, don't come back to work
until you're better."
until you're better."
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「喔，不，在你好轉之前
都別回來上班。」
都別回來上班。」
09:15
And a light went on for me.
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而有一盞燈為我亮了起來。
09:17
It must be compulsory for managers
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經理和其旗下員工進行
09:19
to have to have these conversations
with their employees.
with their employees.
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這類對談，必須要是強制性的。
09:23
And lessons from people like me,
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像我這樣子在治療過程中，
09:26
that have really benefited
from working through treatment,
from working through treatment,
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持續工作而受益的人所學到的教訓，
09:29
need to be more widely shared.
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需要被廣泛分享出去。
09:31
And I thought about what could be done
to guide these conversations,
to guide these conversations,
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我思考過能怎樣引導這類對談，
09:35
and then an amazing
colleague of mine, Camilla Gunn,
colleague of mine, Camilla Gunn,
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然後我有一位了不起的同事
卡蜜拉甘恩（Camilla Gunn），
卡蜜拉甘恩（Camilla Gunn），
09:39
developed a "Working with Cancer" toolkit.
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發展出了一套
「帶著癌症工作」工具組。
「帶著癌症工作」工具組。
09:42
The toolkit provides a framework
for those diagnosed,
for those diagnosed,
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這套工具組提供了一架構
給被診斷出癌症的人、
給被診斷出癌症的人、
09:46
their managers, their carers
and their coworkers
and their coworkers
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他們的經理、他們的照護者，
以及他們的同事，
以及他們的同事，
09:49
to have conversations about cancer
and the work support available.
and the work support available.
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讓他們能針對癌症
以及可得的工作支援進行對談。
以及可得的工作支援進行對談。
09:54
Camilla and I have now been
to other organizations
to other organizations
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卡蜜拉和我現在已經去過一些組織，
09:56
to talk about the toolkit
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去談這套工具組，
09:57
and how it can help to guide through
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以及它如何能協助引導大家
10:00
what, quite frankly, are otherwise
some pretty awkward conversations.
some pretty awkward conversations.
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進行這些本來勢必會
相當尷尬的對談。
相當尷尬的對談。
10:04
And I'm pleased to say that the uptake
of the toolkit is increasing.
of the toolkit is increasing.
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我很高興能夠說，
越來越多人在使用這套工具組。
越來越多人在使用這套工具組。
10:10
So what should be
a manager's first response
a manager's first response
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經理的第一個反應應該是什麼，
10:12
when somebody says that they're sick
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當聽到有人說他們生病了，
10:15
and they don't know
how it's going to impact their work?
how it's going to impact their work?
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且不知道這疾病會
如何影響他們的工作？
如何影響他們的工作？
10:18
It must be this:
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經理的反應必須要是這樣的：
10:20
"To the extent that you
are able, and want to,
are able, and want to,
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「在你能做到且想要做到的範圍內，
10:24
we would love to work out
an arrangement for you
an arrangement for you
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我們很樂意為你做出安排，
10:26
to continue to work through treatment."
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讓你能在治療過程中持續工作。」
10:29
We need to start positively engaging
people with serious illness
people with serious illness
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我們需要開始積極吸引
患有嚴重疾病的人員，
患有嚴重疾病的人員，
10:33
to keep them in the workforce,
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讓他們繼續留在工作崗位上，
10:35
rather than paternalistically
pushing them away.
pushing them away.
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而不是採取家長式的態度推開他們。
10:40
I've told you my story
because I want you to know the benefits
because I want you to know the benefits
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我把我的故事告訴各位，
是因為我希望你們能夠了解
是因為我希望你們能夠了解
在治療期間持續工作帶給我的益處。
10:44
that working through treatment brought me.
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10:46
And I also want to change your perceptions
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我也想要改變各位的看法，
10:48
if you think that somebody
going through treatment
going through treatment
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如果你們覺得在接受治療的人
10:51
is just bored, frail and vomiting a lot.
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就是感到厭倦、虛弱，和常常嘔吐。
10:55
And yes, these things
were true some of the time,
were true some of the time,
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是的，的確，就算不是經常，
10:58
if not a lot of the time,
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至少也有時是這樣沒錯，
11:00
but I was also determined
to push myself at work
to push myself at work
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但我也下決心，要在工作上盡全力，
11:03
as much as I had always done.
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就像我過去一直以來那樣。
11:05
And I was able to do that
because my employer gave me the choice.
because my employer gave me the choice.
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我之所以能夠做到，
是因為我的僱主給我這個選擇。
是因為我的僱主給我這個選擇。
11:11
Most importantly, I'm telling you
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最重要的，我跟各位說這個故事，
11:13
because while it's a seemingly
obvious choice to give someone,
obvious choice to give someone,
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是因為，雖然似乎本來就
應該要給予這個選擇，
應該要給予這個選擇，
11:17
it's not one that is always
offered or encouraged.
offered or encouraged.
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通常，這個選擇卻沒有
被提供或被鼓勵提供。
被提供或被鼓勵提供。
11:21
And it must be.
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這是必須要做的。
11:23
Thank you.
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謝謝。
11:24
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Sarah Donnelly - LawyerWestpac's Sarah Donnelly wants to encourage more open conversations about why and how an individual might continue to work while undergoing treatment for serious illnesses.
Why you should listen
Sarah Donnelly was diagnosed with breast cancer at 30 years of age -- a story all too familiar among young women in her family. She chose to continue full-time employment throughout treatment and is living proof that work can play a crucial role in a person's mental and physical recovery from a serious illness. While her employer backed her decision, Donnelly has learned that the way organizations approach this issue varies greatly. This has sparked a personal mission to encourage more open conversations about why and how an individual might continue to work while undergoing treatment.
A lawyer by trade, Donnelly is currently the Head of Group Secretariat at Westpac. She is an ally for GLOBAL, Westpac Group's Employee Action Group for LGBTIQ employees, a member of Women of Westpac, an advocate of Breast Cancer Network Australia and volunteers with Vinnie’s Van. She is an avid traveler and, when at home in Sydney's Blue Mountains, can usually be found out on a trail.
Sarah Donnelly | Speaker | TED.com