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Tavi Gevinson: A teen just trying to figure it out
Tavi Gevinson: 仍在找尋答案的年輕人
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十五歲的 Tavi Gevinson 曾經花了很大的力氣尋找青少女的模範—所以她建立了一個能讓彼此相識的空間。在青年 TED 會場，她解釋她所創立，由青少女寫給青少女的熱門雜誌網站 Rookie，上面的對話是如何推行一個嶄新的、不卑不亢、並富有複雜多面向的女性主義。
Tavi Gevinson - Blogger and fashion icon
Tavi Gevinson is a fashion blogger and a feminist who encourages everyone to embrace their complexity and look cool doing it. Full bio
Tavi Gevinson is a fashion blogger and a feminist who encourages everyone to embrace their complexity and look cool doing it. Full bio
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Four years ago today, exactly, actually,
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事實上，就確切在四年前今天，
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I started a fashion blog called Style Rookie.
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我開設了一個叫做 Style Rookie 的部落格。
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Last September of 2011, I started an online magazine
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在2011年的9月，我開辦一份線上雜誌
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for teenage girls called Rookiemag.com.
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為青少女服務的Rookiemag.com。
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My name's Tavi Gevinson, and
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我是 Tavi Gevinson，
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the title of my talk is "Still Figuring It Out,"
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我的演講主題是“Still Figuring It Out”
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and the MS Paint quality of my slides
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在投影片上看到的我的小畫家塗鴉
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was a total creative decision in keeping with today's theme,
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全然是靈機一動的決定，也跟今天主題密切相關
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and has nothing to do with my inability
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這跟我不懂怎麼用簡報
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to use PowerPoint. (Laughter)
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完全沒有關係。(大笑)
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So I edit this site for teenage girls. I'm a feminist.
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我為了這個青少女服務的網站作編輯。我是個女性主義者。
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I am kind of a pop culture nerd, and I think a lot about
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我是一個流行文化的宅宅， 我常在想
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what makes a strong female character,
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是什麼能塑做一個堅強女性的角色，
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and, you know, movies and TV shows,
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當然，如你所知，像一些電影和電視節目，
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these things have influence. My own website.
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這些東西都有影響力。那我自己的網站
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So I think the question of what makes a strong female
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我想了一個問題，是什麼可以塑做一個堅強的女性
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character often goes misinterpreted,
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的角色，那一直被誤解的
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and instead we get these two-dimensional superwomen
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相反，我們看到的這些缺乏深度的女超人
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who maybe have one quality that's played up a lot,
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這些人將自己的特質發揮淋漓盡致，
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like a Catwoman type,
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例如貓女類型的，
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or she plays her sexuality up a lot,
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她很會操弄自己性感的一面，
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and it's seen as power.
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這看來像是一種力量。
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But they're not strong characters who happen to be female.
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但對女性來說，這並不是一個強而有力的特徵。
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They're completely flat,
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這種形象非常單薄
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and they're basically cardboard characters.
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而且基本上都是紙板型的人物
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The problem with this is that then
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這產生的問題就是
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people expect women to be that easy to understand,
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人們會期待女性像這些角色一樣容易理解
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and women are mad at themselves
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而女人也開始為自己感到發瘋
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for not being that simple,
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因為她們做不到像角色那樣簡單
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when, in actuality, women are complicated,
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現實中，女性是複雜的
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women are multifaceted -- not because women are crazy,
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女性是多面的-不因為女性全是瘋狂的，
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but because people are crazy,
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而是人類本來就是瘋狂的，
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and women happen to be people. (Laughter)
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女性剛好又是人類而已(大笑)
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So the flaws are the key.
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所以這些缺陷就變成是關鍵。
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I'm not the first person to say this.
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我並非第一個人提起這點。
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What makes a strong female character
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什麼可以塑造一個堅強女性角色
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is a character who has weaknesses, who has flaws,
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是一個有弱點、有缺陷的角色，
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who is maybe not immediately likable,
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或許她不會第一眼就很討喜
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but eventually relatable.
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但最終會是讓人認同的
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I don't like to acknowledge a problem
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我不喜歡提出一個問題
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without also acknowledging those who work to fix it,
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卻同時不想誰去解決它
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so just wanted to acknowledge shows like "Mad Men,"
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所以我想提出節目像“廣告狂人”（Mad Men）
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movies like "Bridesmaids," whose female characters
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電影像是“伴娘我最大”（Bridesmaids）裏頭的女性角色
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or protagonists are complex, multifaceted.
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或是主角的角色都是複雜，多面的。
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Lena Dunham, who's on here, her show on HBO
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Lena Dunham，也上面這個人，她在HBO的節目
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that premiers next month, "Girls,"
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下個月會首播，叫做"女生們"
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she said she wanted to start it because she felt that
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她說她會想要開始這個節目，因為她知道到
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every woman she knew was just a bundle of contradictions,
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她所認識的每個女性都是矛盾的集結體
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and that feels accurate for all people,
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而這對所有人來說是準確的
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but you don't see women represented like that as much.
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但你不能看到女性比這個還有更多的了
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Congrats, guys. (Laughs)
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恭喜你們，男士們（現場大笑)
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But I don't feel that — I still feel that there are some types
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但我不認同，我仍然認為還是有些女性
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of women who are not represented that way,
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是不能夠就這樣被描述呈現，
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and one group that we'll focus on today are teens,
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而今日我們會集中講青少年人
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because I think teenagers are especially contradictory
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因為我想青少年是特別矛盾的
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and still figuring it out,
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而且還在摸索時期
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and in the '90s there was "Freaks and Geeks"
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在九零年代時有"怪胎們"和
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and "My So-Called Life," and their characters,
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"我所謂的生活"中的這些角色，
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Lindsay Weir and Angela Chase,
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Lindsay Weir和Angela Chase，
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I mean, the whole premise of the shows
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我指，這類節目會假設
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were just them trying to figure themselves out, basically,
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就是這些角色試圖認清自己是誰，
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but those shows only lasted a season each,
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但是這兩齣節目都只撐了一季，
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and I haven't really seen anything like that on TV since.
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而我之後就沒再看過有任何類似的節目出現了
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So this is a scientific diagram of my brain — (Laughter) —
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所以在我的大腦裡出現這個很科學化的圖像(大笑)
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around the time when I was,
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大約那個時候我還是，
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when I started watching those TV shows.
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當我開始看那些電視節目時，
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I was ending middle school, starting high school --
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我正要從中學畢業、開始高中生涯
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I'm a sophomore now —
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我現在是大二生了
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and I was trying to reconcile
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而我曾試著去妥協
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all of these differences that you're told you can't be
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所有這些差異，妳一直被告誡不能做的
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when you're growing up as a girl.
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從妳長成一個少女
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You can't be smart and pretty.
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妳不能夠漂亮又聰明。
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You can't be a feminist who's also interested in fashion.
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妳不能是個很愛時尚的女性主義者。
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You can't care about clothes if it's not for the sake
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妳不能關注衣服打扮，如果它對其他人沒好處
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of what other people, usually men, will think of you.
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通常還會讓男人想著妳。
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So I was trying to figure all that out,
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所以我試著要把這些弄懂
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and I felt a little confused,
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而我曾感到有一點點迷糊
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and I said so on my blog,
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然後我在我的部落格上寫了
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and I said that I wanted to start
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我說我想要創建一個
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a website for teenage girls
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專為了青少女服務的網站
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that was not this kind of one-dimensional
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這不是一種偏面的
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strong character empowerment thing
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要充權，要增強女性性格的東西
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because I think one thing that can be very alienating
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因為我認為需要轉移
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about a misconception of feminism is that
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有關女性主義的誤解，就是
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girls then think that to be a feminist, they have to live up to
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女孩們會認為當一個女性主義者，她們就必須要
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being perfectly consistent in your beliefs,
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絕對地堅守自己的信仰
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never being insecure, never having doubts,
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永不缺乏安全感，永遠沒有疑惑，
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having all of the answers. And this is not true,
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擁有所有問題的答案，然而這是錯誤的，
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and, actually, reconciling all the contradictions I was feeling
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而且事實上，在理解我所感覺到的矛盾的過程中
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became easier once I understood that feminism
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一切簡單多了，當我懂了女性主義
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was not a rulebook but a discussion,
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不是一本規則手冊，而是一場討論
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a conversation, a process,
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一種對話、一個過程
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and this is a spread from a zine that I made last year
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而這是在我去年做的一本雜誌中的傳單
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when I -- I mean, I think I've let myself go a bit
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當我，我指，我覺得我的繪畫功力
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on the illustration front since.
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有進步許多了
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But, yeah.
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但是，對
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So I said on my blog that I wanted to start this publication
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所以我在我的部落格上說我想要開始這份出版物
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for teenage girls and ask people to submit
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專為年少女打造，並邀請人們供稿
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their writing, their photography, whatever,
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繳交各種寫作、攝影，什麼都好
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to be a member of our staff.
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就能成我們的一份子
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I got about 3,000 emails.
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我收到了大約三千封電子郵件
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My editorial director and I went through them and
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我的總編和我看過了所有的信後
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put together a staff of people,
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集結了一組人馬
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and we launched last September.
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然後我們在去年九月發行
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And this is an excerpt from my first editor's letter,
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這是我們第一封編輯信的片段
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where I say that Rookie, we don't have all the answers,
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裡頭我說：菜鳥們，我們沒有所有的答案，
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we're still figuring it out too, but the point is not to
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我們一樣仍在找尋答案，但重點是不要
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give girls the answers, and not even give them permission
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給女孩們任何答案，就不要容許她們
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to find the answers themselves,
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自己找尋答案，
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but hopefully inspire them to understand that
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反而重點是要懷抱希望地激勵她們去理解
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they can give themselves that permission,
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她們可以給自己許可
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they can ask their own questions, find their own answers,
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她們能自己提問，並找到自己的答案
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all of that, and Rookie, I think we've been trying to make it
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以上種種，菜鳥們，我想我們一直在嘗試讓這一切發生
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a nice place for all of that to be figured out.
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提供一個好地方讓這一切有可能出現
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So I'm not saying, "Be like us,"
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我不是在說：「要像我們一樣」
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and "We're perfect role models," because we're not,
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或是「我們就是完美典範」，因為我們不是
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but we just want to help represent girls
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我們只是想要幫忙呈現女孩們
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in a way that shows those different dimensions.
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用一種表現出各種不同面向的方式
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I mean, we have articles called
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我們有的文章取名為
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"On Taking Yourself Seriously: How to Not Care What People Think of You,"
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「認真看待妳自己：如何不在意別人的看法」
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but we also have articles like,
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但我們也有文章像是
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oops -- I'm figuring it out!
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哎啊，讓我想想
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Ha ha. (Laughter)
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哈 哈（大笑）
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If you use that, you can get away with anything.
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善用這招，你可以成功避免任何的尷尬
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We also have articles called
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我們也有文章像是
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"How to Look Like You Weren't Just Crying in Less than Five Minutes."
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「如何讓妳看來不曾哭過」
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So all of that being said, I still really appreciate
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所以儘管以上所說，我仍然十分讚賞
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those characters in movies and
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那些出現在電影裡的角色和
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articles like that on our site,
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我們網站上的文章，
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that aren't just about being totally powerful,
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在說的不只是要如何當一個全然有力的人
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maybe finding your acceptance with yourself
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而是找到能接受自己的方法
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and self-esteem and your flaws and how you accept those.
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能有自信心，接受自己的缺點。
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So what I you to take away from my talk,
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我希望你們能從我演講中得到
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the lesson of all of this, is to just be Stevie Nicks.
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總結以上的，就是學習Steve Nicks吧
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Like, that's all you have to do. (Laughter)
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可以說這是你唯一要做的事 （大笑）
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Because my favorite thing about her,
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因為我喜歡她的
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other than, like, everything, is that
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像是，她最與眾不同之處的是，
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she is very -- has always been
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她是非常的，也一直都是
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unapologetically present on stage,
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不卑不亢地站在台上
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and unapologetic about her flaws
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並不為了她的缺陷而感到抱歉
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and about reconciling all of her contradictory feelings
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也能夠協調內心所有的矛盾感受
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and she makes you listen to them and think about them,
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而且她會讓你聽進去，讓你去思考
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and yeah, so please be Stevie Nicks.
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沒錯，所以，試圖作Stevie Nicks吧。
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Thank you. (Applause)
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謝謝。 (鼓掌)
ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Tavi Gevinson - Blogger and fashion iconTavi Gevinson is a fashion blogger and a feminist who encourages everyone to embrace their complexity and look cool doing it.
Why you should listen
Born in April 1996, Tavi Gevinson started blogging at age eleven – then rapidly became a bona fide fashion icon. In 2009 she was featured on the cover of Pop magazine and was invited as a special guest to New York Fashion week. Her site for teenage girls, Rookie, broke the one-million page views within five days of launching in September 2011. She’s currently the editor-in-chief and founder of RookieMag.com and writes thestylerookie.com and has written for several publications including Harper's Bazaar, Jezebel, Lula, Pop, and GARAGE magazine.
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