TED2018
Robin Steinberg: What if we ended the injustice of bail?
羅蘋史丹柏格: 如果我們能終止保釋的不公正會如何？
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在美國的任何夜晚，有 45 萬人在監獄牢房中過夜，只因為他們付不出保釋金。這個保釋金的金額通常是＄500 美金左右。對一些人來說是小錢，但有些人不可能付得出來。這個狀況對許多人造成真實的後果——他們失去工作、房子和生活，而且它助長司法體制中的差別待遇。羅蘋史丹柏格有個很大膽的點子，要來改變這一切。在這場強大的演說中，她概述了保釋專案的計畫——它是史無前例的全國性的保釋循環基金，用來對抗大規模監禁。她的野心計畫是 TED 用來鼓舞全球改變的「大膽計畫」的最初點子之一。
Robin Steinberg - Public defender, activist
Robin Steinberg is the CEO of The Bail Project, a new organization designed to combat mass incarceration in the United States by disrupting the money bail system -- one person at a time. As she says: "I hate injustice and simply can't sit still when I see it." Full bio
Robin Steinberg is the CEO of The Bail Project, a new organization designed to combat mass incarceration in the United States by disrupting the money bail system -- one person at a time. As she says: "I hate injustice and simply can't sit still when I see it." Full bio
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00:12
I will never forget the first time
I visited a client in jail.
I visited a client in jail.
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我永遠忘不了我第一次
到監獄見一位客戶的經驗。
到監獄見一位客戶的經驗。
00:17
The heavy, metal door slammed behind me,
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沉重的金屬門在我背後砰一聲關上，
00:19
and I heard the key turn in the lock.
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我聽見鑰匙在鎖中轉動的聲音。
00:22
The cement floor underneath me
had a sticky film on it
had a sticky film on it
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我腳下的水泥地板上面有一層黏膜，
00:25
that made a ripping sound,
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產生一種撕扯的聲音，
00:27
like tape being pulled off a box,
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每當我動一下腳就會發出
一種像是把膠帶
從盒子上撕下來的聲音。
從盒子上撕下來的聲音。
00:29
every time I moved my foot.
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00:31
The only connection to the outside world
was a small window placed too high to see.
was a small window placed too high to see.
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和外面世界唯一的連結
只有高高在上的一扇小窗。
只有高高在上的一扇小窗。
00:37
There was a small, square table
bolted to the floor
bolted to the floor
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那裡有一個方形小桌子，
被用螺栓固定在地板上，
被用螺栓固定在地板上，
00:40
and two metal chairs,
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還有兩張金屬椅子，
00:41
one on either side.
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一邊一張。
00:44
That was the first time
I understood viscerally --
I understood viscerally --
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那是我第一次從內心了解到——
00:47
just for a fleeting moment --
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僅僅在一瞬間——
00:50
what incarceration might feel like.
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被監禁可能會有什麼感覺。
00:52
And I promised myself all those years ago
as a young, public defender
as a young, public defender
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那麼多年前，身為一位
年輕的公設辯護律師，
年輕的公設辯護律師，
我向自己許諾，
永遠不要忘記那種感覺。
永遠不要忘記那種感覺。
00:56
that I would never,
ever forget that feeling.
ever forget that feeling.
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01:00
And I never have.
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我從來沒忘記。
01:02
It inspired me to fight for each
and every one of my clients' freedom
and every one of my clients' freedom
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它鼓舞了我，讓我為
每一位客戶的自由而戰，
每一位客戶的自由而戰，
01:05
as if it was my own.
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如同是為自己的自由而戰。
01:09
Freedom.
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自由。
01:10
A concept so fundamental
to the American psyche
to the American psyche
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對美國人來說，這個概念非常基本，
01:14
that it is enshrined in our constitution.
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它是我們憲法的核心。
01:17
And yet, America is addicted
to imprisonment.
to imprisonment.
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然而，美國卻對監禁上了癮。
01:22
From slavery through mass incarceration,
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從奴隸制度到大量監禁，
01:25
it always has been.
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一直都是如此。
01:27
Look, we all know the shocking numbers.
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我們都知道這些數字有多驚人。
01:30
The United States incarcerates
more people per capita
more people per capita
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在美國被監禁的人均
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than almost any nation on the planet.
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幾乎比地球上任何國家都高。
01:36
But what you may not know
is that on any given night in America,
is that on any given night in America,
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但各位可能不知道，
在美國的任何一個夜晚，
在美國的任何一個夜晚，
01:41
almost half a million people go to sleep
in those concrete jail cells
in those concrete jail cells
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有將近 50 萬人在還未被定罪前，
01:45
who have not been convicted of anything.
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被關在那種水泥監獄的牢房裡過夜。
01:49
These mothers and fathers
and sons and daughters
and sons and daughters
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這些母親們、父親們、
兒子們、女兒們
兒子們、女兒們
01:53
are there for one reason
and one reason only:
and one reason only:
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身在牢中的原因只有一個，
01:57
they cannot afford to pay
the price of their freedom.
the price of their freedom.
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他們付不起自由的價碼。
02:01
And that price is called bail.
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那個價碼，就稱為「保釋金」。
02:05
Now, bail was actually created
as a form of conditional release.
as a form of conditional release.
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保釋金最初是被設計為
有條件釋放的一種形式。
有條件釋放的一種形式。
02:09
The theory was simple:
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理論很簡單：
02:10
set bail at an amount
that somebody could afford to pay --
that somebody could afford to pay --
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把保釋金設定在某人
負擔得起的價格，
負擔得起的價格，
02:13
they would pay it --
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他們就會付這筆錢，
02:14
it would give them an incentive
to come back to court;
to come back to court;
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這樣做會給他們
一個回到法庭的動機；
一個回到法庭的動機；
讓他們為此自掏腰包。
02:16
it would give them some skin in the game.
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02:18
Bail was never intended
to be used as punishment.
to be used as punishment.
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保釋金的本意從來
就不是要當作懲罰。
就不是要當作懲罰。
02:22
Bail was never intended
to hold people in jail cells.
to hold people in jail cells.
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保釋金的本意從來就不是
要把人拘留在監獄牢房中。
要把人拘留在監獄牢房中。
02:26
And bail was never, ever intended
to create a two-tier system of justice:
to create a two-tier system of justice:
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保釋金的本意從來就不是
要創造雙重的司法體制：
要創造雙重的司法體制：
02:32
one for the rich
and one for everybody else.
and one for everybody else.
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一重是給富人的，
另一重則是給其他人的。
另一重則是給其他人的。
02:36
But that is precisely what it has done.
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但它的結果卻是如此。
02:39
75 percent of people
in American local jails
in American local jails
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在美國的地方監獄中，
有 75％ 的人
有 75％ 的人
02:42
are there because they cannot pay bail.
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因為付不出保釋金被監禁。
02:46
People like Ramel.
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就像拉梅爾。
02:48
On a chilly October afternoon,
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在一個冷颼颼的十月下午，
02:50
Ramel was riding his bicycle
in his South Bronx neighborhood
in his South Bronx neighborhood
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拉梅爾在他的南布朗克斯
街坊騎著他的腳踏車，
街坊騎著他的腳踏車，
02:53
on his way to a market
to pick up a quart of milk.
to pick up a quart of milk.
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前往市場去買一夸脫的牛奶。
02:55
He was stopped by the police.
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他被警察攔下。
02:57
And when he demanded to know
why he was being stopped,
why he was being stopped,
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當他要求知道為什麼他被攔下時，
03:00
an argument ensued,
and the next thing he knew,
and the next thing he knew,
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與警察發生了爭執，
他所知道的下一件事，
他所知道的下一件事，
03:02
he was on the ground in handcuffs,
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就是他被壓在地上戴上手銬，
03:04
being charged with "riding
your bicycle on the sidewalk
your bicycle on the sidewalk
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被指控「在人行道上騎腳踏車
03:07
and resisting arrest."
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以及拒捕。」
03:08
He was taken to court,
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他被送上法庭，
03:10
where a judge set 500 dollars bail.
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法官把保釋金設為美金 500 元。
03:12
But Ramel -- he didn't have 500 dollars.
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但拉梅爾沒有 500 元。
03:16
So this 32-year-old father
was sent to "The Boat" --
was sent to "The Boat" --
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這位 32 歲的父親被送上「船」——
03:19
a floating jail barge
that sits on the East River
that sits on the East River
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一台大型監獄平底船，浮在東河上，
03:23
between a sewage plant and a fish market.
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在一個汙水處理場和
一個漁貨市場之間。
一個漁貨市場之間。
03:27
That's right, you heard me.
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你們沒聽錯。
03:29
In New York City, in 2018,
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2018 年，在紐約市，
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we have a floating prison barge
that sits out there
that sits out there
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我們在那裡有一座漂浮監獄平底船，
03:36
and houses primarily black and brown men
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裡面關的主要是黑色和棕色皮膚，
03:40
who cannot pay their bail.
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且付不出保釋金的人。
03:43
Let's talk for a moment
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咱們來談一下
03:45
about what it means to be in jail
even for a few days.
even for a few days.
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坐牢是什麼滋味，即使只坐幾天牢。
03:49
Well, it can mean losing your job,
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坐牢可能意味著失去你的工作，
失去你的房子，
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losing your home,
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03:53
jeopardizing your immigration status.
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危及你的移民身份。
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It may even mean
losing custody of your children.
losing custody of your children.
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甚至可能意味著失去孩子的監護權。
03:59
A third of sexual
victimization by jail staff
victimization by jail staff
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有 1/3 被監獄人員性侵的人，
04:02
happens in the first three days in jail,
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是在入獄的前 3 天內發生。
04:05
and almost half of all jail deaths,
including suicides,
including suicides,
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監獄中的死亡，包括自殺，
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happen in that first week.
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有將近一半在第一週內發生。
04:11
What's more,
if you're held in jail on bail,
if you're held in jail on bail,
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不只如此，如果你因為
付不起保釋金而坐牢，
付不起保釋金而坐牢，
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you're four times more likely
to get a jail sentence
to get a jail sentence
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你被判刑入獄的可能性
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than if you had been free,
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是保釋在外的人的 4 倍，
04:19
and that jail sentence
will be three times longer.
will be three times longer.
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且刑期會是保釋在外者的３倍長。
04:23
And if you are black or Latino
and cash bail has been set,
and cash bail has been set,
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如果你是黑人或拉丁裔，
且已經被裁定了現金交保的金額，
且已經被裁定了現金交保的金額，
04:27
you are two times more likely
to remain stuck in that jail cell
to remain stuck in that jail cell
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你被拘留在監獄牢房的可能性，
04:31
than if you were white.
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比白人高２倍。
04:34
Jail in America is a terrifying,
dehumanizing and violent experience.
dehumanizing and violent experience.
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在美國坐牢是非常駭人、
無人性，且暴力的經驗。
無人性，且暴力的經驗。
04:41
Now imagine for just one moment
that it's you stuck in that jail cell,
that it's you stuck in that jail cell,
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稍微試想一下，如果被困在
監獄牢房中的人是你，
監獄牢房中的人是你，
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and you don't have
the 500 dollars to get out.
the 500 dollars to get out.
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你沒有 ＄500 可以脫身。
04:51
And someone comes along
and offers you a way out.
and offers you a way out.
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有人來找你，提供你一條出路。
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"Just plead guilty," they say.
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他們說：「你只要認罪。
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"You can go home back to your job.
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你就可以回家，回去工作。
05:01
Just plead guilty.
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只要認罪就好了。
你晚上就可以親吻
你的孩子道晚安。」
你的孩子道晚安。」
05:03
You can kiss your kids goodnight tonight."
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05:05
So you do what anybody
would do in that situation.
would do in that situation.
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所以，你會做每個人
在那種情況下會做的事，
在那種情況下會做的事，
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You plead guilty
whether you did it or not.
whether you did it or not.
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不管是否犯下那個罪行，你認罪了。
05:13
But now you have a criminal record
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但，現在你就有了犯罪記錄，
05:15
that's going to follow you
for the rest of your life.
for the rest of your life.
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它會在你餘生一直跟隨著你。
05:19
Jailing people because they don't have
enough money to pay bail
enough money to pay bail
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把沒錢支付保釋金的人打入大牢，
05:22
is one of the most unfair,
immoral things we do as a society.
immoral things we do as a society.
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是我們這個社會所做出
最不公平、不道德的事情之一。
最不公平、不道德的事情之一。
05:27
But it is also expensive
and counterproductive.
and counterproductive.
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這麼做不僅昂貴還有反效果。
05:31
American taxpayers --
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美國納稅人
每年要花 1400 億美元，
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they spend 14 billion dollars annually
holding people in jail cells
holding people in jail cells
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把還沒有被定罪的人關在牢裡。
05:37
who haven't been convicted of anything.
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05:39
That's 40 million dollars a day.
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平均一天 4000 萬美元。
05:42
What's perhaps more confounding
is it doesn't make us any safer.
is it doesn't make us any safer.
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更莫名其妙的是，
這麼做並沒有讓我們更安全。
這麼做並沒有讓我們更安全。
05:46
Research is clear
that holding somebody in jail
that holding somebody in jail
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研究清楚指出，
當一個人被關在牢裡，
當一個人被關在牢裡，
05:49
makes you significantly more likely
to commit a crime when you get out
to commit a crime when you get out
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他在出獄後會犯罪的機率
05:53
than if you had been free all along.
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顯著地比一直是自由身的人更高。
05:58
Freedom makes all the difference.
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自由能夠造成很大的不同。
06:03
Low-income communities
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低收入社區和有色人種社區
06:04
and communities of color
have known that for generations.
have known that for generations.
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數世代以來都很清楚這一點。
06:08
Together, they have pooled their resources
to buy their loved ones freedom
to buy their loved ones freedom
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他們一起想辦法合資
買回他們所愛的人的自由，
買回他們所愛的人的自由，
06:13
for as long as bondage
and jail cells existed.
and jail cells existed.
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從有奴隸和監獄存在以來就一直如此。
06:17
But the reach of the criminal legal system
has grown too enormous,
has grown too enormous,
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但刑事司法體制能觸及的範圍
已經成長到太龐大，
已經成長到太龐大，
06:21
and the numbers have just too large.
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數字已經太大了。
06:23
99 percent of jail growth in America
has been the result --
has been the result --
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美國監獄的成長當中，
有 99％ 的成因——
有 99％ 的成因——
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over the last 20 years --
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在過去 20 年間——
06:30
of pre-trial incarceration.
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都是審判前的監禁。
06:34
I have been a public defender
for over half my life,
for over half my life,
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我半生的時間擔任公設辯護律師，
06:37
and I have stood by and watched
thousands of clients
thousands of clients
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我曾站在數千名客戶的身邊，
06:40
as they were dragged into those jail cells
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看著他們被拖入監獄牢房，
06:43
because they didn't have
enough money to pay bail.
enough money to pay bail.
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只因為他們沒錢支付保釋金。
06:45
I have watched as questions of justice
were subsumed by questions of money,
were subsumed by questions of money,
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我看著正義的問題變成了錢的問題，
06:49
calling into question the legitimacy
of the entire American legal system.
of the entire American legal system.
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讓人懷疑美國司法體制的正當性。
06:55
I am here to say something simple --
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我來這裡要談的事情很簡單、
06:58
something obvious,
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很明顯，
07:00
but something urgent.
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卻也很急迫。
07:02
Freedom makes all the difference,
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自由能造成很大的不同，
07:06
and freedom should be free.
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自由應該是免費的。
07:09
(Applause)
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07:17
But how are we going to make that happen?
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但我們要如何實現它？
07:20
Well, that's the question
I was wrestling with over a decade ago
I was wrestling with over a decade ago
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那是我十多年以前
就努力想要解決的問題，
就努力想要解決的問題，
07:23
when I was sitting at a kitchen table
with my husband, David,
with my husband, David,
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當時我和我老公大衛坐在餐桌前，
他也是公設辯護律師。
07:26
who is also a public defender.
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07:27
We were eating our Chinese takeout
and venting about the injustice of it all
and venting about the injustice of it all
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我們一邊吃外帶的中國菜，
一邊發洩抱怨這些不公正，
一邊發洩抱怨這些不公正，
07:31
when David looked up and said,
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那時，大衛抬起頭，說：
07:33
"Why don't we just start a bail fund,
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「我們為何不設立保釋金基金，
07:35
and just start bailing
our clients out of jail?"
our clients out of jail?"
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把我們的客戶從監獄中保釋出來？」
07:38
And in that unexpected moment,
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在那未預期的時刻，
07:41
the idea for the Bronx
Freedom Fund was born.
Freedom Fund was born.
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布朗克斯自由基金的
點子就這麼誕生了。
點子就這麼誕生了。
07:45
Look, we didn't know what to expect.
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我們當時不知道該期待什麼。
07:47
There were plenty of people
that told us we were crazy
that told us we were crazy
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有很多人告訴我們說我們瘋了，
說我們會失去所有的錢。
07:49
and we were going
to lose all of the money.
to lose all of the money.
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大家不會回來，因為他們
沒有利害關係在其中。
沒有利害關係在其中。
07:51
People wouldn't come back
because they didn't have any stake in it.
because they didn't have any stake in it.
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但如果客戶確實回來了呢？
07:54
But what if clients did come back?
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07:57
We knew that bail money comes back
at the end of a criminal case,
at the end of a criminal case,
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我們知道保釋金的錢會在
刑事案件終了時還回來，
刑事案件終了時還回來，
08:01
so it could come back into the fund,
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所以它會回到基金中，
08:04
and we could use it over and over again
for more and more bail.
for more and more bail.
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我們可以不斷重覆使用它
來做更多的保釋。
來做更多的保釋。
08:08
That was our big bet,
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那是我們的大賭注，
08:09
and that bet paid off.
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而這賭注得到了回報。
08:12
Over the past 10 years,
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在過去 10 年，
08:13
we have been paying bails for low-income
residents of New York City,
residents of New York City,
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我們一直在為低收入的
紐約市居民支付保釋金，
紐約市居民支付保釋金，
我們所學到的，打破了我們對於
08:17
and what we have learned
has exploded our ideas
has exploded our ideas
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08:21
of why people come back to court
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為什麼大家會返回到法庭，
08:23
and how the criminal
legal system itself is operated.
legal system itself is operated.
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以及刑事司法體制本身
如何運作的想法。
如何運作的想法。
08:26
Turns out money isn't what makes
people come back to court.
people come back to court.
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我們發現，錢並不是
讓大家回到法庭的原因。
讓大家回到法庭的原因。
08:30
We know this because when
the Bronx Freedom Fund pays bail,
the Bronx Freedom Fund pays bail,
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我們知道這點，是因為當保釋金
是由布隆克斯自由基金支付時，
是由布隆克斯自由基金支付時，
96 ％的客戶每次出庭時都會到場，
08:33
96 percent of clients
return for every court appearance,
return for every court appearance,
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08:37
laying waste to the myth
that it's money that mattered.
that it's money that mattered.
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打破了拿回保釋金是主要動機的謎思。
08:41
It's powerful evidence
that we don't need cash
that we don't need cash
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這是個強力證據，
證明我們不需要現金，
證明我們不需要現金，
08:46
or ankle bracelets
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或電子腳鐐，
08:47
or unnecessary systems
of surveillance and supervision.
of surveillance and supervision.
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或不必要的監控和監視系統。
08:50
We simply need court reminders --
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我們只需要法庭提醒——
08:53
simple court reminders
about when to come back to court.
about when to come back to court.
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簡單的法庭提醒，
告訴我們何時要回去出庭。
告訴我們何時要回去出庭。
08:57
Next, we learned that if you're held
in jail on a misdemeanor,
in jail on a misdemeanor,
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接著，我們學到的是，
如果你是因為輕罪入獄，
如果你是因為輕罪入獄，
09:01
90 percent of people will plead guilty.
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90％ 的人會選擇認罪。
09:04
But when the fund pays bail,
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但如果由基金支付保釋金，
09:06
over half the cases are dismissed.
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一半以上的案件被駁回。
09:10
And in the entire history
of the Bronx Freedom Fund,
of the Bronx Freedom Fund,
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在布朗克斯自由基金的整個歷史上，
09:14
fewer than two percent of our clients
have ever received a jail sentence
have ever received a jail sentence
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我們的客戶中只有不到 ２％
最後被判任何一類的徒刑．
09:19
of any kind.
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09:20
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
09:28
Ramel, a week later --
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一週後，拉梅爾還在船上，
09:31
he was still on the boat,
locked in that jail cell.
locked in that jail cell.
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還被關在牢房裡。
09:34
He was on the cusp of losing everything,
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他處於即將失去一切的關口，
09:36
and he was about to plead guilty,
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他已經準備認罪，
09:38
and the Bronx Freedom Fund
intervened and paid his bail.
intervened and paid his bail.
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而布朗克斯自由基金介入了，
支付了他的保釋金。
支付了他的保釋金。
09:42
Now, reunited with his daughter,
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現在，他和女兒團聚了，
09:44
he was able to fight
his case from outside.
his case from outside.
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他可以從外面來打這場官司。
09:46
Look, it took some time --
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花了些時間，
09:48
two years, to be exact --
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明確來說是２年，
09:50
but at the end of that,
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但最後，
09:51
his case was dismissed in its entirety.
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他的案件完全被駁回。
09:54
For Ramel --
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對拉梅爾而言——
09:56
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
10:01
For Ramel, the Bronx
Freedom Fund was a lifeline,
Freedom Fund was a lifeline,
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對拉梅爾而言，
布朗克斯自由基金是他的生命線，
布朗克斯自由基金是他的生命線，
10:06
but for countless other Americans
locked in jail cells,
locked in jail cells,
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但對其他無數被關在
監獄牢房中的美國人而言，
監獄牢房中的美國人而言，
10:08
there is no freedom fund coming.
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沒有自由基金來幫他們。
10:11
It's time to do something about that.
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為此，該是做點什麼的時候了。
10:14
It's time to do something big.
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該是做點什麼大事的時候了。
10:16
It's time to do something bold.
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該是無畏地做點什麼的時候了。
10:19
It's time to do something,
maybe, audacious?
maybe, audacious?
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也許，該是大膽妄為的時候了？
10:22
(Laughter)
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（笑聲）
10:23
We want to take our proven,
revolving bail-fund model
revolving bail-fund model
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我們想要用我們在布朗克斯區
建立，且已經證實有用的
建立，且已經證實有用的
10:26
that we built in the Bronx
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循環式保釋金模型，
10:28
and spread it across America,
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把它傳播到整個美國，
10:30
attacking the front end
of the legal system
of the legal system
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去攻擊司法體制的前端，
10:32
before incarceration begins.
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在監禁之前就先攻擊。
10:34
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
10:36
(Cheers)
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（歡呼）
10:39
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
10:45
Here's the plan.
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計畫如下。
10:46
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
10:48
We're going to bail out
as many people as we can
as many people as we can
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我們要盡可能把更多人保釋出來，
10:50
as quickly as we can.
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且盡快做到。
10:51
Over the next five years,
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在接下來５年，
10:52
partnering with public defenders
and local community organizations,
and local community organizations,
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與公設辯護律師
及地方社區組織合作，
及地方社區組織合作，
10:55
we're going to set up 40 sites
in high-need jurisdictions.
in high-need jurisdictions.
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我們將會在有高度需求的
轄區內設立 40 個點。
轄區內設立 40 個點。
10:58
The goal is to bail out 160,000 people.
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目標是要保釋 16 萬人。
11:02
Our strategy leverages the fact
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為了使我們的策略要發揮功效，
11:04
that bail money comes back
at the end of a case.
at the end of a case.
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保釋金需要在案件結束後
能夠拿回來。
能夠拿回來。
11:06
Data from the Bronx
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來自布朗克斯的資料
11:07
shows that a dollar can be used
two or three times a year,
two or three times a year,
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顯示在一年內，
每一元能夠被使用 2～3 次，
每一元能夠被使用 2～3 次，
創造出很巨大的倍數力量。
11:12
creating a massive force multiplier.
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11:15
So a dollar donated today can be used
to pay bail for up to 15 people
to pay bail for up to 15 people
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所以今天捐獻的 1 元，
在接下來 5 年，可以被用來支付
在接下來 5 年，可以被用來支付
11:20
over the next five years.
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高達 15 個人的保釋金。
11:23
Our strategy also relies on the experience
and the wisdom and the leadership
and the wisdom and the leadership
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我們的策略也要仰賴那些
第一手經驗到不公平的人
第一手經驗到不公平的人
11:28
of those who have experienced
this injustice firsthand.
this injustice firsthand.
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所提供的經驗、智慧與領導能力。
11:32
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
11:34
Each bail project site will be staffed
by a team of bail disrupters.
by a team of bail disrupters.
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每個保釋專案據點都會
有一個保釋破壞者團隊。
有一個保釋破壞者團隊。
11:38
These are passionate, dedicated
advocates from local communities,
advocates from local communities,
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他們都是來自當地社區，
有熱忱、肯投入的擁護者，
有熱忱、肯投入的擁護者，
11:42
many of whom were formerly
incarcerated themselves,
incarcerated themselves,
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當中有許多人自己曾被監禁過，
11:45
who will pay bails and support clients
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他們會支付保釋金並在客戶的案件
11:47
while their cases are going
through the legal system,
through the legal system,
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經過司法體制的過程中支持他們，
11:50
providing them with whatever
resources and support they may need.
resources and support they may need.
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提供任何他們需要的資源及支助。
11:54
Our first two sites are up and running.
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我們的前兩個據點已經上路了。
11:56
One in Tulsa, Oklahoma,
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一個在奧克拉荷馬州的土爾沙市，
11:58
and one in St. Louis, Missouri.
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另一個在密蘇里州的聖路易市。
12:01
And Ramel?
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而拉梅爾呢？
12:02
He's training right now to be a bail
disrupter in Queens County, New York.
disrupter in Queens County, New York.
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他正在受訓，為了要成為
紐約皇后區的保釋破壞者。
紐約皇后區的保釋破壞者。
12:06
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
12:11
Our next three sites are ready to launch
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我們接下來的三個
據點也準備營運了，
據點也準備營運了，
12:13
in Dallas, Detroit
and Louisville, Kentucky.
and Louisville, Kentucky.
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在達拉斯、底特律，
以及肯塔基州的路易維爾。
以及肯塔基州的路易維爾。
12:17
The Bail Project will attack
the money bail system
the money bail system
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保釋專案將會攻擊金錢保釋體制，
12:20
on an unprecedented scale.
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且攻勢是史無前例的。
12:23
We will also listen, collect and elevate
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我們也會傾聽、收集、提升，
12:27
and honor the stories of our clients
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並向我們客戶的故事致敬，
12:30
so that we can change hearts and minds,
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使我們能去改變人的心和想法，
12:32
and we will collect
critical, national data
critical, national data
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我們也會收集重要的全國性資料。
12:36
that we need so we can chart
a better path forward
a better path forward
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我們需要這些資料
才能找出更好的方式向前行，
才能找出更好的方式向前行，
才不會只是讓這壓迫體制
以另一種形式重現。
以另一種形式重現。
12:40
so that we do not recreate this system
of oppression in just another form.
of oppression in just another form.
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12:45
The Bail Project,
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保釋專案
12:46
by bailing out 160,000 people
over the next five years,
over the next five years,
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要在接下來 5 年保釋出 16 萬人，
它將會成為美國史上最大的
12:50
will become one of the largest
non-governmental decarcerations
non-governmental decarcerations
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非政府主導的解除監禁行動。
12:53
of Americans in history.
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12:55
So look --
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所以，
12:57
(Applause)
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（掌聲）
12:59
the criminal legal system, as it exists --
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刑事司法體制，只要它繼續存在，
13:02
it needs to be dismantled.
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它就需要被拆除。
13:04
But here's the thing I know
from decades in the system:
from decades in the system:
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以我在這個體制中數十年的經驗，
我知道真正的體制改變會需要時間，
13:06
real, systemic change takes time,
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13:09
and it takes a variety of strategies.
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也需要各種策略才能辦到。
13:11
So it's going to take all of us.
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所以，它需要我們所有人參與。
13:13
It's going to take
the civil rights litigators,
the civil rights litigators,
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它需要民權訴訟律師、
13:15
the community organizers, the academics,
the media, the philanthropists,
the media, the philanthropists,
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社區組織者、學界、媒體、慈善家、
13:20
the students, the singers, the poets,
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學生、歌手、詩人，
13:22
and, of course, the voices and efforts
of those who are impacted by this system.
of those who are impacted by this system.
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當然，它也需要在這個體制中
受到影響的人能發聲並貢獻心力。
受到影響的人能發聲並貢獻心力。
13:27
But here's what I also know:
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但，我還知道一件事：
13:30
together, I believe we can end
mass incarceration.
mass incarceration.
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我相信，如果我們同心協力，
就能終止大規模監禁。
就能終止大規模監禁。
13:34
But one last thing:
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還有最後一件事：
13:37
those people, sitting in America,
in those jail cells,
in those jail cells,
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那些人，在美國各地的監獄裡，
13:40
in every corner of the country,
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現在只因為付不出保釋金
而被迫坐牢的那些人，
而被迫坐牢的那些人，
13:42
who are held in jail
on bail bondage, right now --
on bail bondage, right now --
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13:46
they need a lifeline today.
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他們現在就需要生命線。
13:49
That's where The Bail Project comes in.
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這就是保釋專案派上用場的地方。
13:52
We have a proven model, a plan of action,
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我們有已經證明的模型、行動計畫，
13:55
and a growing network of bail disrupters
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還有不斷成長的保釋破壞者網路，
13:57
who are audacious enough
to dream big and fight hard,
to dream big and fight hard,
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這些人夠大膽無畏，
敢作大夢並努力奮戰，
敢作大夢並努力奮戰，
14:01
one bail at a time, for as long it takes,
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一個人一個人去保釋，
不論要花多少時間，
不論要花多少時間，
14:04
until true freedom and equal justice
are a reality in America.
are a reality in America.
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成為美國的現實。
成為美國的現實。
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Thank you.
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ABOUT THE SPEAKER
Robin Steinberg - Public defender, activistRobin Steinberg is the CEO of The Bail Project, a new organization designed to combat mass incarceration in the United States by disrupting the money bail system -- one person at a time. As she says: "I hate injustice and simply can't sit still when I see it."
Why you should listen
Robin Steinberg is the CEO of The Bail Project and a senior fellow at the UCLA Law Criminal Justice Program. As she writes: "When I started my career, all I wanted was to be a great public defender for my clients. I vowed to fight for their rights, dignity and humanity in a system that seemed intent on crushing them, their families and their communities. It was hard work, but I woke up everyday inspired and with a sense of purpose -- even when the unfairness of the system made me cry. I was doing my part in the larger struggle for social justice -- one client at a time. But the need to do more, to rethink the very nature of public defense and challenge the larger systemic issues that fueled the cycle of criminalization and poverty led me to start The Bronx Defenders in 1997. For 20 years, I worked to create a new vision of public defense, extending legal representation and advocacy beyond criminal court with the goal of breaking that cycle. That process led to the founding of several new initiatives, including Still She Rises, a public defender office dedicated exclusively to the representation of women in the criminal justice system, and The Bronx Freedom Fund, a revolving bail fund that used philanthropic dollars to pay bail for clients who couldn’t buy their freedom.
"As it turns out, what I love most is getting people out of jail so they can be home with their families and have a fighting chance in court. My new organization, The Bail Project, will take the lessons we learned in the Bronx and go to dozens of high-need jurisdictions with the goal of paying bail for 160,000 people over the next five years, disrupting the bail system, reducing the human suffering it causes and continuing the fight to decarcerate America."
Robin Steinberg | Speaker | TED.com