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Bill and Melinda Gates: Why giving away our wealth has been the most satisfying thing we've done
Bill i Melinda Gates: Zašto je dijeljenje našeg bogatstva bila stvar koja nam je pričinila najviše zadovoljstva
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1993., Bill i Melinda Gates —tada zaručeni— prošetali su se plažom u Zanzibaru, i napravili hrabru odluku o tome kako će osigurati da se njihovo bogatstvo iz Microsofta vrati u zajednicu. U razgovoru s Chrisom Andersonom, par priča o svom radu i Bill & Melinda Gates Fondaciji, kao i svom braku, djeci, svoji neuspjesima i zadovoljstvu koje im daje darivanje svog bogatstva.
Melinda Gates - Philanthropist
Melinda French Gates is co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, where she puts into practice the idea that every life has equal value. Full bioBill Gates - Philanthropist
A passionate techie and a shrewd businessman, Bill Gates changed the world while leading Microsoft to dizzying success. Now he's doing it again with his own style of philanthropy and passion for innovation. Full bio
Melinda French Gates is co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, where she puts into practice the idea that every life has equal value. Full bioBill Gates - Philanthropist
A passionate techie and a shrewd businessman, Bill Gates changed the world while leading Microsoft to dizzying success. Now he's doing it again with his own style of philanthropy and passion for innovation. Full bio
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00:13
Chris Anderson: So, this is an
interview with a difference.
interview with a difference.
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Chris Anderson: Dakle, ovo je intervju
s razlikom.
s razlikom.
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On the basis that a picture
is worth a thousand words,
is worth a thousand words,
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Na osnovi da slika vrijedi
tisuću riječi
tisuću riječi
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what I did was, I asked Bill and Melinda
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ja sam zamolio Billa i Melindu
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to dig out from their archive
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da iskopaju iz svoje arhive
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some images that would help explain
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neke slike koje bi pomogle objasniti
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some of what they've done,
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neke stvari koje su radili,
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and do a few things that way.
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i napraviti par stvari na taj način.
00:32
So, we're going to start here.
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Počet ćemo ovdje.
00:36
Melinda, when and where was this,
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Melinda, gdje i kada je ovo bilo,
00:38
and who is that handsome man next to you?
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i tko je ovaj zgodni muškarac pored tebe?
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Melinda Gates: With those big glasses, huh?
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Melinda Gates: Sa onim velikim
naočalama, ha?
naočalama, ha?
00:42
This is in Africa, our very first trip,
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Ovo je u Africi, na našem prvom putovanju,
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the first time either of us had ever been to Africa,
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prvi put da je ijedno od nas bilo u Africi,
00:46
in the fall of 1993.
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u jesen 1993.
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We were already engaged to be married.
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Već smo bili zaručeni.
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We married a few months later,
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Oženili smo se nekoliko mjeseci kasnije,
00:51
and this was the trip where we really went to see
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i ovo je putovanje na kojem
smo išli vidjeti
smo išli vidjeti
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the animals and to see the savanna.
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životinje i savanu.
00:55
It was incredible. Bill had never taken that much time
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Bilo je nevjerojatno. Bill nikad nije
toliko dugo
toliko dugo
00:57
off from work.
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izbivao s posla.
00:59
But what really touched us, actually, were the people,
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Ali ono što nas je dirnulo,
zapravo, bili su ljudi,
zapravo, bili su ljudi,
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and the extreme poverty.
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i ekstremno siromaštvo.
01:06
We started asking ourselves questions.
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Počeli smo se postavljati pitanja.
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Does it have to be like this?
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Mora li biti tako?
01:09
And at the end of the trip,
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I na kraju putovanja,
01:10
we went out to Zanzibar,
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otišli smo do Zanzibara,
01:11
and took some time to walk on the beach,
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i uzeli malo vremena i šetali po plaži,
01:13
which is something we had done a lot
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što je nešto što smo često činili
01:14
while we were dating.
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kad smo izlazili.
01:16
And we'd already been talking about during that time
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I već smo tada pričali o tome
01:18
that the wealth that had come from Microsoft
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da će bogatstvo koje je došlo od Microsofta
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would be given back to society,
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biti vraćeno društvu,
01:22
but it was really on that beach walk
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ali zapravo smo u toj šetnji plažom
01:23
that we started to talk about, well,
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počeli pričati o, pa,
01:25
what might we do and how might we go about it?
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što bi mogli učitni
i kako bi to mogli učiniti?
i kako bi to mogli učiniti?
01:28
CA: So, given that this vacation
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CA: Dakle, budući da je ovaj odmor
01:31
led to the creation of
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odveo do stvaranja
01:33
the world's biggest private foundation,
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najveće privatne fondacije na svijetu,
01:36
it's pretty expensive as vacations go. (Laughter)
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to je poprilično skupo za odmor.
(Smijeh)
(Smijeh)
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MG: I guess so. We enjoyed it.
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MG: Izgleda. Mi smo uživali.
01:42
CA: Which of you was the key instigator here,
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CA: Tko je od vas bio glavni pokretač
01:45
or was it symmetrical?
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ili je bilo simetrično?
01:47
Bill Gates: Well, I think we were excited
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Bill Gates: Pa, mislim da smo bili uzbuđeni
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that there'd be a phase of our life
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da će postojati faza u našem životu
01:51
where we'd get to work together
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kada ćemo raditi skupa
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and figure out how to give this money back.
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i smisliti kako vratiti ovaj novac.
02:00
At this stage, we were talking about the poorest,
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U ovom stadiju,
pričali smo o najsiromašnijima,
pričali smo o najsiromašnijima,
02:03
and could you have a big impact on them?
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i možemo li imati velik utjecaj na njih?
02:06
Were there things that weren't being done?
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Postoje li stvari koje se ne čine?
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There was a lot we didn't know.
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Bilo je puno toga što nismo znali.
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Our naïveté is pretty incredible,
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Naša naivnost bila je nevjerojatna,
02:11
when we look back on it.
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kada sad gledamo na to.
02:13
But we had a certain enthusiasm
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Ali imalo smo entuzijazam
02:14
that that would be the phase,
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da će to biti faza,
02:17
the post-Microsoft phase
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faza nakon Microsofta
02:20
would be our philanthropy.
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bit će naša filantropija.
02:22
MG: Which Bill always thought was going to come
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MG: Za koju je Bill uvijek mislio
da će doći
da će doći
02:24
after he was 60,
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nakon šezdesete,
02:25
so he hasn't quite hit 60 yet,
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no on još nije došao do šezdeset,
02:27
so some things change along the way.
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pa su se neke stvari mijenjale usput.
02:30
CA: So it started there, but it got accelerated.
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CA: Dakle počelo je ondje, ali se ubrzalo.
02:33
So that was '93, and it was '97, really,
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To je bilo 93., a 97. zapravo,
02:35
before the foundation itself started.
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je pokrenuta fondacija.
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MA: Yeah, in '97, we read an article
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MG: Da, 97., smo pročitali članak
02:39
about diarrheal diseases killing
so many kids around the world,
so many kids around the world,
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o bolestima s proljevi koje ubijaju
puno djece diljem svijeta,
puno djece diljem svijeta,
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and we kept saying to ourselves,
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i govorili smo si,
02:44
"Well that can't be.
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"Pa to ne može biti.
02:46
In the U.S., you just go down to the drug store."
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U Americi, samo odete do ljekarne.
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And so we started gathering scientists
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I počeli smo okupljati znanstvenike
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and started learning about population,
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i počeli učiti o populaciji,
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learning about vaccines,
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učiti o cjepivima,
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learning about what had worked and what had failed,
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učiti o tome što je radilo i što nije,
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and that's really when we got going,
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i tada smo zapravo krenuli,
02:58
was in late 1998, 1999.
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kasne 1998., 1999.
03:02
CA: So, you've got a big pot of money
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CA: Imate velik ćup novca
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and a world full of so many different issues.
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i svijet pun tako različitih problema.
03:07
How on Earth do you decide what to focus on?
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Kako se odlučite na što se usredotočiti?
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BG: Well, we decided that we'd pick two causes,
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BG: Pa, odlučili smo odabrati dvije stvari,
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whatever the biggest inequity was globally,
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što god je najveća nepravda globalno,
03:17
and there we looked at children dying,
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i tu smo cvidjeli djecu da umiru,
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children not having enough nutrition to ever develop,
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djecu bez dovoljno hrane za razvoj,
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and countries that were really stuck,
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i zemlje koje su doslovno zapele,
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because with that level of death,
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jer zbog tolike razine smrtnosti,
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and parents would have so many kids
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i roditelja koji imaju puno djece
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that they'd get huge population growth,
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velikog rasta populacije,
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and that the kids were so sick
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i toliko bolesne djecde
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that they really couldn't be educated
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da se nisu mogli educirati
03:35
and lift themselves up.
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i izdići se.
03:37
So that was our global thing,
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To je bila naša globalna stvar,
03:38
and then in the U.S.,
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i onda, u Americi,
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both of us have had amazing educations,
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oboje smo imali izvandredno obrazovanje,
03:43
and we saw that as the way that the U.S.
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i vidjeli smo to kao način da Amerika
03:46
could live up to its promise of equal opportunity
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ostvari svoje obećanje jednakih prilika
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is by having a phenomenal education system,
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imajući fenomenalan obrazovni sustav,
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and the more we learned, the more we realized
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i što smo više učili, shvaćali smo
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we're not really fulfilling that promise.
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da ne ispunjavamo to obećanje.
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And so we picked those two things,
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I odabrali smo te dvije stvari,
03:59
and everything the foundation does
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i sve što fondacija radi
04:00
is focused there.
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fokusirano je ondje.
04:03
CA: So, I asked each of you to pick an image
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CA: Pitao sam oboje da odaberete sliku
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that you like that illustrates your work,
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koju volite, a koja opisuje vaš rad,
04:08
and Melinda, this is what you picked.
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i Melinda, ovo si ti odabrala.
04:11
What's this about?
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O čemu se tu radi?
04:13
MG: So I, one of the things I love to do when I travel
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MG: Jedna od stvari koje volim činiti
kada putujem
kada putujem
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is to go out to the rural areas and talk to the women,
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je otići do ruralnih područja
i pričati sa ženama,
i pričati sa ženama,
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whether it's Bangladesh, India,
lots of countries in Africa,
lots of countries in Africa,
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bio to Bangladeš, Indija, zemlje u Africi,
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and I go in as a Western woman without a name.
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i dolazim kao žena sa Zapada, bez imena.
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I don't tell them who I am. Pair of khakis.
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Ne kažem im tko sam. Par khaki hlača.
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And I kept hearing from women,
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I slušala sam od žena,
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over and over and over, the more I traveled,
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ponovno i ponovno i ponovno,
što sam više putovala,
što sam više putovala,
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"I want to be able to use this shot."
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"Želim moći koristiti ovo cjepivo."
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I would be there to talk to them
about childhood vaccines,
about childhood vaccines,
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Bila bih tamo i pričala im
o cjepivu u djetinjstvu
o cjepivu u djetinjstvu
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and they would bring the conversation around to
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i oni bi doveli razgovor do
04:39
"But what about the shot I get?"
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"A što sa cjepivom koje dobivam?"
04:41
which is an injection they were
getting called Depo-Provera,
getting called Depo-Provera,
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a to je injekcija imena Depo-Provera
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which is a contraceptive.
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koji je kontraceptiv.
04:45
And I would come back and
talk to global health experts,
talk to global health experts,
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I vratila bih se i pričala sa globalnim
zdravstvenim stručnjacima
zdravstvenim stručnjacima
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and they'd say, "Oh no, contraceptives
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i oni bi rekli, "O ne, kontraceptiva
04:49
are stocked in in the developing world."
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ima u zemljama u razvoju."
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Well, you had to dig deeper into the reports,
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Morali smo kopati dublje u izvještajima,
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and this is what the team came to me with,
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i s ovime mi je tim došao,
04:55
which is, to have the number one thing
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što je prva stvar
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that women tell you in Africa they want to use
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koju žene u Africi žele koristiti
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stocked out more than 200 days a year
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a nema je više od 200 dana u godini,
05:03
explains why women were saying to me,
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što objašnjava zašto su mi žene govorile,
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"I walked 10 kilometers without
my husband knowing it,
my husband knowing it,
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"Hodala sam 10 kilometare bez znanja supruga,
05:09
and I got to the clinic, and there was nothing there."
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i došla sam do klinike, i tamo nije bilo ničeg."
05:12
And so condoms were stocked in in Africa
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I kondoma je bilo u Africi
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because of all the AIDS work that the U.S.
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zbog svog rada oko AIDS-a koji su SAD
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and others supported.
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i drugi podržavali.
05:19
But women will tell you over and over again,
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Ali žene će vam reći opet iznova,
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"I can't negotiate a condom with my husband.
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"Ne mogu muža nagovoriti na kondom.
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I'm either suggesting he has AIDS or I have AIDS,
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Sugeriram da on ima AIDS, ili ga ja imam,
05:27
and I need that tool because then I can space
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i trebam taj alat jer onda mogu rađati
05:30
the births of my children, and I can feed them
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s razmakom, i mogu hraniti svoju djecu,
05:32
and have a chance of educating them."
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i imati priliku obrazovati ih."
05:35
CA: Melinda, you're Roman Catholic,
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CA: Melinda, ti si Rimokatolik,
05:37
and you've often been embroiled
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i često si bila upletena
05:40
in controversy over this issue,
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u kontroverze oko ovog pitanja,
05:42
and on the abortion question,
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i pitanja pobačaja,
05:45
on both sides, really.
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s obje strane zapravo.
05:46
How do you navigate that?
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Kako se snalaziš u tome?
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MG: Yeah, so I think that's a really important point,
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MG: Da, mislim da je to važna poanta,
05:51
which is, we had backed away from contraceptives
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a to je da smo se odmaknuli od kontraceptiva
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as a global community.
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kao globalna zajednica.
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We knew that 210 million women
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Znali smo da 210 milijuna žena
05:58
were saying they wanted access to contraceptives,
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govori kako želi pristup kontraceptivima,
06:01
even the contraceptives we have
here in the United States,
here in the United States,
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čak i kontraceptivi koje imamo u SAD-u
06:03
and we weren't providing them
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a nisu dostupni
06:06
because of the political controversy in our country,
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zbog političke kontroverze u našoj zemlji,
06:09
and to me that was just a crime,
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i za mene je to bio zločin,
06:12
and I kept looking around trying to find the person
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i nastavila sam tražiti osobu
06:14
that would get this back on the global stage,
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koja će to vratiti na globalnu pozornicu,
06:17
and I finally realized I just had to do it.
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i na kraju sam shvatila da ja to moram učiniti.
06:19
And even though I'm Catholic,
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Iako sam kršćanin,
06:20
I believe in contraceptives
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vjerujem u kontraceptive
06:22
just like most of the Catholic
women in the United States
women in the United States
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kako većina kršćanskih žena u SAD-u
06:24
who report using contraceptives,
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koje su prijavile da koriste kontraceptive,
06:26
and I shouldn't let that controversy
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i ne bih trebala dozvoliti toj kontroverzi
06:28
be the thing that holds us back.
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da bude stvar koja nas sputava.
06:30
We used to have consensus in the United States
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Nekad smo u SAD-u imali konsenzus
06:32
around contraceptives,
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oko kontraceptiva,
06:33
and so we got back to that global consensus,
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i vratili smo se na globalni konsenzus,
06:36
and actually raised 2.6 billion dollars
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i zapravo skupili 2.6 milijardi dolara
06:38
around exactly this issue for women.
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oko točno tog problema za žene.
06:41
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
06:49
CA: Bill, this is your graph. What's this about?
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CA: Bill, ovo je tvoj graf. O čemu se tu radi?
06:53
BG: Well, my graph has numbers on it.
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BG: Pa, moj graf na sebi ima brojke.
06:55
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
06:57
I really like this graph.
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Stvarno volim ovaj graf.
06:59
This is the number of children
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To je broj djece
07:02
who die before the age of five every year.
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koje umru prije dobi od pet godina,
svake godine.
svake godine.
07:04
And what you find is really
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I ono što nađete je zapravo
07:06
a phenomenal success story
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fenomenalna priča o uspjehu
07:08
which is not widely known,
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koja nije tako poznata,
07:10
that we are making incredible progress.
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da stvaramo nevjerojatan napredak.
07:13
We go from 20 million
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Od 20 milijuna djece
07:15
not long after I was born
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nedugo nakon što sam se ja rodio,
07:17
to now we're down to about six million.
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do otprilike šest milijuna sada.
07:21
So this is a story
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Dakle, ovo je priča
07:23
largely of vaccines.
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većinom o cjepivima.
07:24
Smallpox was killing a couple million kids a year.
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Velike boginje su ubijale
dva milijuna djece godišnje.
dva milijuna djece godišnje.
07:28
That was eradicated, so that got down to zero.
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To je izbrisano, tako da je to palo na nulu.
07:30
Measles was killing a couple million a year.
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Ospice su ubijale dva milijuna godišnje.
07:32
That's down to a few hundred thousand.
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To je sada na nekoliko stotina tisuća.
07:33
Anyway, this is a chart
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Kako bilo, ovo je graf
07:35
where you want to get that number to continue,
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gdje želite da taj broj nastavi,
07:39
and it's going to be possible,
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i to će biti moguće,
07:41
using the science of new vaccines,
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koristeći znanost novih cjepiva,
07:43
getting the vaccines out to kids.
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davanjem cjepivba našoj djeci.
07:45
We can actually accelerate the progress.
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Zapravo, možemo ubrzati napredak.
07:46
The last decade,
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Posljednje desetljeće,
07:48
that number has dropped faster
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taj broj je pada brže
07:50
than ever in history,
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nego ikad u povijesti,
07:52
and so I just love the fact that
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tako da zaista volim činjenicu da
07:55
you can say, okay, if we can invent new vaccines,
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možete reći, ok, ako stvorimo nova cjepiva,
07:57
we can get them out there,
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možemo ih isporučiti,
07:59
use the very latest understanding of these things,
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koristeći najnovija saznanja o ovome,
08:01
and get the delivery right, that
we can perform a miracle.
we can perform a miracle.
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i ako ih isporučimo kako treba,
napravit ćemo čudo.
napravit ćemo čudo.
08:06
CA: I mean, you do the math on this,
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CA: Mislim, možete sami izračunati,
08:07
and it works out, I think, literally
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i točno je, mislim, doslovno
08:09
to thousands of kids' lives saved every day
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do tisuća dječjih života spašenih svakog dana
08:11
compared to the prior year.
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u usporedbi s godinom prije.
08:13
It's not reported.
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To nije prijavljeno.
08:15
An airliner with 200-plus deaths
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Zrakoplov sa 200 i više smrti
08:18
is a far, far bigger story than that.
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je puno, puno veća priča od toga.
08:20
Does that drive you crazy?
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Da li vas to izluđuje?
08:22
BG: Yeah, because it's a silent thing going on.
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BG: Da, jer je to tiha stvar koja se događa.
08:25
It's a kid, one kid at a time.
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To je dijete, jedno po jedno.
08:27
Ninety-eight percent of this
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Devedeset osam posto ovoga
08:29
has nothing to do with natural disasters,
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nema veze sa prirodnim katastrofama,
08:31
and yet, people's charity,
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a ipak, prilozi ljudi,
08:32
when they see a natural disaster, are wonderful.
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kada vide prirodnu katastrofu, su prekrasni.
08:34
It's incredible how people think, okay,
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Nevjerojatno je kako ljudi misle, ok,
08:36
that could be me, and the money flows.
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to bi mogao biti ja, i novac pristiže.
08:39
These causes have been a bit invisible.
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Ovi ciljevi bili su pomalo nevidljivi.
08:42
Now that the Millennium Development Goals
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Sad kada Millennium Development Goals
08:44
and various things are getting out there,
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i druge stvari dolaze do izražaja,
08:46
we are seeing some increased generosity,
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primjećujemo povećanje u velikodušnosti,
08:49
so the goal is to get this well below a million,
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tako da je cilj otići daleko ispod milijuna,
08:52
which should be possible in our lifetime.
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što bi trebalo biti moguće
u našem životnom vijeku.
u našem životnom vijeku.
08:54
CA: Maybe it needed someone
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CA: Možda je trebalo nekoga
08:56
who is turned on by numbers and graphs
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koga su uzbuđivali brojevi i grafovi
08:58
rather than just the big, sad face
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umjesto velikih, tužnih lica
09:00
to get engaged.
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da se uključi.
09:02
I mean, you've used it in your letter this year,
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Mislim, koristio si to u svom pismu ove godine,
09:04
you used basically this argument to say that aid,
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doslovno taj argument kako bi rekao da pomoć,
09:07
contrary to the current meme
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unatoč uvriježenom vjerovanju
09:09
that aid is kind of worthless and broken,
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da je pomoć bezvrijedna i pokvarena,
09:12
that actually it has been effective.
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da je zapravo bila korisna.
09:14
BG: Yeah, well people can take,
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BG: Da, pa ljudi mogu uzeti,
09:16
there is some aid that was well-meaning
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postoji neka pomoć koja je bila dobronamjerna
09:19
and didn't go well.
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i nije dobro završila.
09:21
There's some venture capital investments
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Postoje neke investicije
09:23
that were well-meaning and didn't go well.
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koje su bile dobronamjerne i nisu dobro završile.
09:26
You shouldn't just say, okay, because of that,
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Ne treba reći, u redu, zbog ovoga,
09:28
because we don't have a perfect record,
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jer nemamo savršene rezultate,
09:32
this is a bad endeavor.
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ovo je loš poduhvat.
09:33
You should look at, what was your goal?
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Treba gledati na to što ti je bio cilj.
09:35
How are you trying to uplift nutrition
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Kako pokušavaš poboljšati prehranu
09:38
and survival and literacy
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i preživljavanje i pismenost
09:41
so these countries can take care of themselves,
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tako da se ove zemlje mogu brinuti same za sebe,
09:43
and say wow, this is going well,
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i reći, wow, ovo ide poprilično dobro,
09:45
and be smarter.
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i biti pametniji.
09:46
We can spend aid smarter.
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Možemo pametnije trošiti pomoć.
09:48
It is not all a panacea.
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To nije univerzalni lijek.
09:51
We can do better than venture capital, I think,
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Možemo bolje od investicijskog kapitala,
ja mislim,
ja mislim,
09:54
including big hits like this.
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uključujući velike udarce poput ovoga.
09:57
CA: Traditional wisdom is that
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CA: Iskustvo nas uči
10:00
it's pretty hard for married couples to work together.
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da je parovima teško raditi skupa.
10:04
How have you guys managed it?
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Kako ste vi uspjeli?
10:05
MG: Yeah, I've had a lot of women say to me,
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MG: Da, puno žena mi je reklo,
10:07
"I really don't think I could work with my husband.
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"Ne mislim da bih mogla
raditi sa suprugom.
raditi sa suprugom.
10:09
That just wouldn't work out."
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To jednostavno ne bi funkcioniralo."
10:11
You know, we enjoy it, and we don't --
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Znate, mi uživamo, i mi ne --
10:15
this foundation has been a coming to for both of us
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ova fondacija bilo je sazrijavanje za oboje
10:17
in its continuous learning journey,
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u ovom stalnom putovanju učenja,
10:20
and we don't travel together as much
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i ne putujemo skupa kao prije
10:23
for the foundation, actually, as we used to
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zbog fondacije, zapravo, kao što smo nekada
10:25
when Bill was working at Microsoft.
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kada je Bill radio u Microsoftu.
10:26
We have more trips where
we're traveling separately,
we're traveling separately,
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Više putijemo odvojeni,
10:28
but I always know when I come home,
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ali znam da kada dođem kući,
10:30
Bill's going to be interested in what I learned,
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Billa će zanimati što sam naučila,
10:32
whether it's about women or girls
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bilo da se radi o ženama ili djevojkama
10:34
or something new about the vaccine delivery chain,
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ili nešto o isporuci cjepiva,
10:37
or this person that is a great leader.
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ili o nekoj osobi koja je veliki vođa.
10:39
He's going to listen and be really interested.
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On će slušati i zanimat će ga.
10:42
And he knows when he comes home,
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I zna da kada on dođe kući,
10:43
even if it's to talk about the speech he did
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čak i ako želi pričati o govoru koji je dao
10:45
or the data or what he's learned,
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ili o podacima ili o tome što je naučio,
10:47
I'm really interested,
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zaista me zanima,
10:48
and I think we have a really
collaborative relationship.
collaborative relationship.
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i mislim da imamo vezu
zasnovanu na suradnji.
zasnovanu na suradnji.
10:51
But we don't every minute together, that's for sure.
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Ali nismo svake minute skupa, sigurno.
10:54
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:58
CA: But now you are, and we're very happy that you are.
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CA: Ali sad jeste, i sretni ste da jeste.
11:00
Melinda, early on, you were basically
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Melinda, u početku, ti si u osnovi
11:04
largely running the show.
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vodila cijelu stvar.
11:06
Six years ago, I guess,
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Prije šest godina, pretpostavljam,
11:07
Bill came on full time, so moved from Microsoft
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Bill se pridružio u potpunosti,
prešao iz Microsofta
prešao iz Microsofta
11:10
and became full time.
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i počeo raditi puno radno vrijeme.
11:11
That must have been hard,
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Sigurno je bilo teško
11:12
adjusting to that. No?
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prilagoditi se tome. Zar ne?
11:14
MG: Yeah. I think actually,
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MG: Da, mislim zapravo,
11:17
for the foundation employees,
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da je za zaposlenike fondacije,
11:19
there was way more angst for them
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bilo je puno više straha za njih
11:21
than there was for me about Bill coming.
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nego za mene, zato što Bill dolazi.
11:23
I was actually really excited.
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Ja sam bila zaista uzbuđena.
11:24
I mean, Bill made this decision
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Bill je donio ovu odluku
11:26
even obviously before it got announced in 2006,
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očito i prije nego je najavljena 2006.,
11:28
and it was really his decision,
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i bila je to stvarno njegova odluka,
11:30
but again, it was a beach vacation
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ali ponovno, to je bio odmor na plaži
11:32
where we were walking on the beach
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gdje smo šetali plažom
11:33
and he was starting to think of this idea.
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i on je počeo razmišljati o ovoj ideji.
11:35
And for me, the excitement of Bill
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I za mene, uzbuđenje što će Bill
11:38
putting his brain and his heart
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staviti svoj mozak i srce
11:41
against these huge global problems,
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nasuprot ovim ogromnim
globalnim problemima,
globalnim problemima,
11:43
these inequities, to me that was exciting.
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ovim nejednakostima,
meni je to bilo uzbudljivo.
meni je to bilo uzbudljivo.
11:45
Yes, the foundation employees had angst about that.
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Da, zaposlenici su se bojali.
11:49
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
11:51
CA: That's cool.
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CA: To je super.
11:53
MG: But that went away within three months,
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MG: Ali to se povuklo unutar tri mjeseca,
11:55
once he was there.
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jednom kad je došao.
11:56
BG: Including some of the employees.
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BG: Uključujući i neke od zaposlenika.
11:57
MG: That's what I said, the employees,
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MG: To sam i rekla, zaposlenici,
11:58
it went away for them three
months after you were there.
months after you were there.
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strah je otišao nakon tri mjeseca
što si bio tamo.
što si bio tamo.
12:01
BG: No, I'm kidding.
MG: Oh, you mean, the employees didn't go away.
MG: Oh, you mean, the employees didn't go away.
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BG: Ma ne, šalim se.
MG: O, ti misliš, ma nisu zaposlenici otišli.
MG: O, ti misliš, ma nisu zaposlenici otišli.
12:03
BG: A few of them did, but —
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BG: Nekoliko njih jest, ali --
12:05
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
12:07
CA: So what do you guys argue about?
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CA: Oko čega se vas dvoje svađate?
12:09
Sunday, 11 o'clock,
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Nedjelja, 11 sati,
12:11
you're away from work,
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niste na poslu,
12:13
what comes up? What's the argument?
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što se pojavi? Koja je rasprava?
12:15
BG: Because we built this thing
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BG: Jer smo izgradili ovu stvar
12:17
together from the beginning,
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zajedno iz početka,
12:20
it's this great partnership.
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ovo je sjajno partnerstvo.
12:22
I had that with Paul Allen
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Imao sam to sa Paulom Allenom
12:23
in the early days of Microsoft.
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u ranim danima Microsofta.
12:25
I had it with Steve Ballmer as Microsoft got bigger,
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Imao sam to sa Steveom Ballmerom kako je
Microsoft rastao,
Microsoft rastao,
12:28
and now Melinda, and in even stronger,
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i sada Melinda, na jedan jači,
12:31
equal ways, is the partner,
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ravnopravniji način je partner,
12:33
so we talk a lot about
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tako da puno pričamo
12:35
which things should we give more to,
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o tome kojim stvarima trebamo dati više,
12:37
which groups are working well?
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koje grupe dobro rade?
12:40
She's got a lot of insight.
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Ima dobar uvid.
12:41
She'll sit down with the employees a lot.
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Puno sjedi sa zaposlenicima.
12:42
We'll take the different trips she described.
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Ići ćemo na razdvojena putovanja kako je opisala.
12:45
So there's a lot of collaboration.
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Tako da ima puno suradnje.
12:48
I can't think of anything where one of us
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Ne mogu zamisliti nešto gdje je jedno od nas
12:50
had a super strong opinion
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imalo jak stav
12:53
about one thing or another?
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o jednoj ili drugoj stvari?
12:55
CA: How about you, Melinda,
though? Can you? (Laughter)
though? Can you? (Laughter)
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CA: A ti Melinda? Možeš li ti?
(Smijeh)
(Smijeh)
12:58
You never know.
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Nikad ne znaš.
12:59
MG: Well, here's the thing.
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MG: Pa, ovako stoje stvari.
13:01
We come at things from different angles,
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Prilazimo stvarima iz različitih kuteva,
13:02
and I actually think that's really good.
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i ja mislim da je to stvarno dobro.
13:04
So Bill can look at the big data
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Bill može gledati velike podatke
13:06
and say, "I want to act based
on these global statistics."
on these global statistics."
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i reći, "Želim djelovati na osnovi
ovih globalnih statistika."
ovih globalnih statistika."
13:09
For me, I come at it from intuition.
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Za mene, ja tome prilazim kroz intuiciju.
13:11
I meet with lots of people on the ground
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Sastajem se s puno ljudi na terenu
13:13
and Bill's taught me to take that
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i Bill me naučio da to uzmem
13:15
and read up to the global data and see if they match,
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i da usporedim sa globalnim podatcima
i vidim da li se poklapaju,
i vidim da li se poklapaju,
13:18
and I think what I've taught him
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i mislim da sam ga naučila
13:19
is to take that data
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da uzme te podatke
13:20
and meet with people on the ground to understand,
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i sastane se s ljudima na terenu
da shvati
da shvati
13:22
can you actually deliver that vaccine?
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možemo li zaista isporučiti to cjepivo?
13:24
Can you get a woman to accept those polio drops
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Može li žena prihvatiti
te kapi za dječju paralizu
te kapi za dječju paralizu
13:28
in her child's mouth?
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u ustima svoga djeteta?
13:29
Because the delivery piece
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Jer isporuka
13:30
is every bit as important as the science.
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je jednako važna kao znanost.
13:33
So I think it's been more a coming to over time
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Tako da smo s vremenom
13:35
towards each other's point of view,
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došli na istu točku gledanja,
13:36
and quite frankly, the work is better because of it.
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i iskreno, posao je puno bolji zbog toga.
13:40
CA: So, in vaccines and polio and so forth,
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CA: Dakle, cjepiva, dječja paraliza
i tako dalje,
i tako dalje,
13:42
you've had some amazing successes.
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imali ste neke fantastične uspjehe.
13:46
What about failure, though?
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Ali što je s neuspjesima?
13:47
Can you talk about a failure
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Možete li pričati o neuspjehu
13:49
and maybe what you've learned from it?
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i možda o tome što ste iz njega naučili?
13:51
BG: Yeah. Fortunately, we can afford a few failures,
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BG: Da. Na sreću, možemo si priuštiti
koji neuspjeh
koji neuspjeh
13:53
because we've certainly had them.
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jer smo ih definitivno imali.
13:56
We do a lot of drug work or vaccine work
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Radimo puno s lijekovima ili cjepivima
14:00
that you know you're going to have different failures.
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za koja znate da će ponekad biti neuspješna.
14:03
Like, we put out, one that got a lot of publicity
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Pa, tu je jedna s puno publiciteta,
14:05
was asking for a better condom.
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tražili smo bolji kondom.
14:07
Well, we got hundreds of ideas.
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Dobili smo stotine ideja.
14:08
Maybe a few of those will work out.
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Možda će neke od njih raditi.
14:11
We were very naïve, certainly I was, about a drug
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Bili smo vrlo naivni, barem ja, oko lijeka
14:15
for a disease in India, visceral leishmaniasis,
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za bolest u Indiji, visceral leishmaniasis,
14:17
that I thought, once I got this drug,
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za koju sam mislio, kada budem imao lijek,
14:19
we can just go wipe out the disease.
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možemo otići i izbrisati bolest.
14:20
Well, turns out it took an injection
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Pa, trebala je injekcija
14:23
every day for 10 days.
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svakog dana, 10 dana.
14:25
It took three more years to get it than we expected,
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Trebalo je još tri godine više od očekivanja
da dođemo do toga,
da dođemo do toga,
14:27
and then there was no way
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i onda nije bilo načina
14:28
it was going to get out there.
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da to dođe tamo.
14:31
Fortunately, we found out
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Srećom, shvatili smo
14:32
that if you go kill the sand flies,
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da ako ubijete pješčane muhe,
14:35
you probably can have success there,
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možete biti uspješni tamo,
14:37
but we spent five years,
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ali proveli smo pet godina,
14:39
you could say wasted five years,
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potratili pet godina,
14:41
and about 60 million,
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i oko 60 milijuna,
14:43
on a path that turned out to have
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na tragu nečega što
14:44
very modest benefit when we got there.
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nije bilo baš od velike koristi
kad smo stigli.
kad smo stigli.
14:48
CA: You're spending, like, a billion dollars a year
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CA: Trošite oko milijarde na godinu
14:52
in education, I think, something like that.
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u obrazovanje, tako nešto.
14:53
Is anything, the story of what's gone right there
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Ako išta, priča o tome što se tu dogodilo
14:57
is quite a long and complex one.
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je duga i složena.
15:00
Are there any failures that you can talk about?
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Postoje li neki neuspjesi
o kojima možete pričati?
o kojima možete pričati?
15:04
MG: Well, I would say a huge lesson for us
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MG: Pa, rekao bih da je velika lekcija za nas
15:06
out of the early work is we thought
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nastala iz ranog rada, da smo mislili
15:07
that these small schools were the answer,
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da su ove male škole odgovor,
15:09
and small schools definitely help.
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i one definitivno pomažu.
15:11
They bring down the dropout rate.
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One smanjuju stopu ispisivanja.
15:12
They have less violence and crime in those schools.
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Imamo manje nasilja i zločina u tim školama.
15:15
But the thing that we learned from that work,
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Ali ono što smo naučili od tog rada,
15:17
and what turned out to be the fundamental key,
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i što je postao osnovni ključ,
15:20
is a great teacher in front of the classroom.
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a to je odličan profesor u učionici.
15:22
If you don't have an effective teacher
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Ako nemate učinkovitog profesora
15:23
in the front of the classroom,
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u učionici,
15:24
I don't care how big or small the building is,
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bez obzira koliko je velika ili mala zgrada
15:27
you're not going to change the trajectory
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nećete promijeniti ishod
15:28
of whether that student will be ready for college.
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toga hoće li taj učenik biti
spreman za fakultet.
spreman za fakultet.
15:30
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
15:35
CA: So Melinda, this is you and
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CA: Dakle, Melinda, ovo si ti
15:37
your eldest daughter, Jenn.
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3554
i najstarija kćer, Jenn.
15:41
And just taken about three weeks ago, I think,
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1899
A ovo je slikano prije tri, mislim,
15:43
three or four weeks ago. Where was this?
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tri ili četiri tjedna. Gdje je to bilo?
15:44
MG: So we went to Tanzania.
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MG: Otišli smo u Tanzaniju.
15:46
Jenn's been to Tanzania.
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Jenn je bila u Tanzaniji.
15:47
All our kids have been to Africa quite a bit, actually.
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Sva naša su djeca bila u Africi često, zapravo.
15:49
And we did something very different,
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I napravili smo nešto vrlo drugačije,
15:52
which is, we decided to go spend
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a to je, odlučili smo provesti
15:53
two nights and three days with a family.
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dvije noći i tri dana s obitelji.
15:56
Anna and Sanare are the parents.
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Anna i Sanare su roditelji.
15:59
They invited us to come and stay in their boma.
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3034
Pozvali su nas da budemo u njihovoj bomi.
16:02
Actually, the goats had been there, I think,
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Zapravo, koze su bile ondje,
ja mislim,
ja mislim,
16:04
living in that particular little hut
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1399
živjele u toj maloj kolibi
16:05
on their little compound before we got there.
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na svom malom prostoru prije
nego smo došli.
nego smo došli.
16:08
And we stayed with their family,
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1498
I ostali smo s njihovom obitelji,
16:09
and we really, really learned
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1934
i mi smo stvarno, stvarno naučili
16:11
what life is like in rural Tanzania.
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kakav je život u ruralnoj TAnzaniji.
16:13
And the difference between just going
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I razliku između odlaska
16:15
and visiting for half a day
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1719
i posjeta na pola dana
16:16
or three quarters of a day
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ili tri četvrt dana
16:18
versus staying overnight was profound,
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nasuprot spavanju bilo je duboko,
16:20
and so let me just give you one explanation of that.
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3491
i dopustite da vam dam jedno objašnjenje.
16:24
They had six children, and as I talked to Anna
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2129
Imali su šestoro djece i dok sam pričala s Annom
16:26
in the kitchen, we cooked for about five hours
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1775
u kuhinji, kuhale smo pet sati
16:27
in the cooking hut that day,
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1643
u kolibi za kuhanje toga dana,
16:29
and as I talked to her, she had absolutely planned
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1811
i kako sam pričala s njom,
ona je apsolutno planirala
ona je apsolutno planirala
16:31
and spaced with her husband
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i razdvojila sa svojim suprugom
16:32
the births of their children.
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1437
rođenja svoje djece.
16:34
It was a very loving relationship.
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To je bila duga veza puna ljubavi.
16:36
This was a Maasai warrior and his wife,
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2303
Ovo su Massai ratnik i njegova supruga,
16:38
but they had decided to get married,
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1909
ali oni su se odlučili vjenčati,
16:40
they clearly had respect and love in the relationship.
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3335
imali su poštovanje i ljubav u vezi.
16:43
Their children, their six children,
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1611
Njihova djeca, njihovo šestoro djece,
16:45
the two in the middle were twins, 13,
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2519
dvoje srednjih bili su blizanci, 13,
16:47
a boy, and a girl named Grace.
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2253
dječak i djevojčica imena Grace.
16:49
And when we'd go out to chop wood
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1573
I kada bismo izašli van sjeći drva
16:51
and do all the things that Grace
and her mother would do,
and her mother would do,
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2435
i raditi sve stvari koje su Grace
i njena majka činili,
i njena majka činili,
16:53
Grace was not a child, she was an adolescent,
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Grace nije bila dijete, bila je adolescent,
16:56
but she wasn't an adult.
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ali nije odrasla.
16:58
She was very, very shy.
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1751
Bila je vrlo, vrlo, sramežljiva.
16:59
So she kept wanting to talk to me and Jenn.
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1761
Tako da je htjela pričati sa mnom i Jenn.
17:01
We kept trying to engage her, but she was shy.
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2835
Pokušali smo započeti razgovor s njom,
ali je sramežljiva.
ali je sramežljiva.
17:04
And at night, though,
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1606
Ali noću, ipak,
17:05
when all the lights went out in rural Tanzania,
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2807
kada su se sva svjetla u ruralnoj Tanzaniji isključila,
17:08
and there was no moon that night,
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1504
i nije bilo mjeseca te noći,
17:10
the first night, and no stars,
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1722
prve noći, ni zvijezda,
17:12
and Jenn came out of our hut
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1826
i Jenn je izašla iz naše kolibe
17:13
with her REI little headlamp on,
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2817
sa svojom lampom na glavi,
17:16
Grace went immediately,
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Grace je odmah otišla
17:18
and got the translator,
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1356
po prevoditelja,
17:20
came straight up to my Jenn and said,
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2090
došla do Jenn i rekla,
17:22
"When you go home,
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1233
"Kada budeš išla kući,
17:23
can I have your headlamp
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1175
mogu li dobiti tvoju lampu
17:24
so I can study at night?"
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1730
tako da mogu učiti po noći?"
17:26
CA: Oh, wow.
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CA: O, wow.
17:27
MG: And her dad had told me
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MG: A njen tata mi je rekao
17:28
how afraid he was that unlike the son,
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2087
da se boji da nije poput sina,
17:31
who had passed his secondary exams,
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1662
koji je prošao svoje ispite,
17:32
because of her chores,
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1530
ona zbog obveza
17:34
she'd not done so well
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1438
neće biti tako uspješna
17:35
and wasn't in the government school yet.
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1804
i još nije došla u državnu školu.
17:37
He said, "I don't know how I'm
going to pay for her education.
going to pay for her education.
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2535
Rekao je, "Ne znam kako ću platiti njeno obrazovanje.
17:39
I can't pay for private school,
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1826
Ne mogu platiti privatnu školu,
17:41
and she may end up on this farm like my wife."
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2579
i možda završi na farmi poput moje žene."
17:44
So they know the difference
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1129
Tako da znaju kakvu razliku
17:45
that an education can make
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1025
može napraviti obrazovanje,
17:46
in a huge, profound way.
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2997
na jedan velik, dubok način.
17:49
CA: I mean, this is another pic
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CA: Mislim, ovo je još jedna slika
17:50
of your other two kids, Rory and Phoebe,
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3406
vaše druge dvoje djece, Rory i Phoebe
17:54
along with Paul Farmer.
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4138
zajedno sa Paulom Farmerom.
17:58
Bringing up three children
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1614
Odgajati troje djece
18:00
when you're the world's richest family
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3002
kada ste najbogatija obitelj na svijetu
18:03
seems like a social experiment
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2296
čini se kao društveni eksperiment
18:05
without much prior art.
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3572
bez ikakvih osnova.
18:08
How have you managed it?
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1535
Kako ste to napravili?
18:10
What's been your approach?
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2215
Koji je bio vaš pristup?
18:12
BG: Well, I'd say overall
479
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2633
BG: Rekao bih, ukupno gledano
18:15
the kids get a great education,
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1762
djeca dobiju odlično obrazovanje,
18:17
but you've got to make sure
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898
ali morate biti sigurni
18:18
they have a sense of their own ability
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1702
da imaju svijest o svojim mogućnostima
18:19
and what they're going to go and do,
483
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1989
i što će činiti,
18:21
and our philosophy has been
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2373
i naša filozofija je bila
18:24
to be very clear with them --
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1222
biti vrlo jasni s njima --
18:25
most of the money's going to the foundation --
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1545
većina novca ide u fondaciju --
18:26
and help them find something they're excited about.
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4341
i pomoći im naći nešto oko
čega će biti uzbuđeni.
čega će biti uzbuđeni.
18:31
We want to strike a balance where they have
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1395
Moramo uravnotežiti to što imaju
18:32
the freedom to do anything
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slobodu činiti što žele
18:34
but not a lot of money showered on them
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3340
ali neće dobiti puno novca
18:37
so they could go out and do nothing.
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3129
da mogu otići ne raditi ništa.
18:40
And so far, they're fairly diligent,
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I za sada, poprilično su revni,
18:43
excited to pick their own direction.
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3208
uzbuđeni da nađu svoj smjer.
18:47
CA: You've obviously guarded their
privacy carefully for obvious reasons.
privacy carefully for obvious reasons.
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CA: Čuvali ste njihovu privatnost iz očitih razloga.
18:52
I'm curious why you've given me permission
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2194
Zanima me zašto ste mi dali dozvolu
18:54
to show this picture now here at TED.
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1625
da pokažem ovu sliku ovdje na TED-u.
18:56
MG: Well, it's interesting.
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1137
MG: Pa, interesantno je.
18:57
As they get older, they so know
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Kako su stariji, shvaćaju
18:59
that our family belief is about responsibility,
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3009
da je uvjerenje naše obitelji
temeljeno na odgovornosti,
temeljeno na odgovornosti,
19:02
that we are in an unbelievable situation
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2115
da se nalazimo u nevjerojatnoj situaciji
19:04
just to live in the United States
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1618
samo zato što živimo u Americi
19:06
and have a great education,
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1691
i imamo odlično obrazovanje,
19:07
and we have a responsibility
to give back to the world.
to give back to the world.
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2048
i da imamo odgovornost pomoći svijetu.
19:09
And so as they get older
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1053
I tako, kako bivaju stariji
19:10
and we are teaching them --
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1020
i učimo i --
19:11
they have been to so many
countries around the world —
countries around the world —
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2360
bili su u tako puno zemalja
u svijetu --
u svijetu --
19:14
they're saying,
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1132
oni kažu,
19:15
we do want people to know that we believe
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1752
mi želimo da ljudi znaju da vjerujemo
19:17
in what you're doing, Mom and Dad,
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1501
u ono što radite, mama i tata,
19:18
and it is okay to show us more.
510
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1961
i u redu je da nas više pokažete.
19:20
So we have their permission to show this picture,
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Tako da imamo njihovu dozvolu
da pokažemo ovu sliku,
da pokažemo ovu sliku,
19:23
and I think Paul Farmer is probably going to put it
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1715
i mislim da će Paul Farmer
19:25
eventually in some of his work.
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2455
ju staviti u neki svoj rad.
19:27
But they really care deeply
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1602
Ali strašno im je stalo
19:29
about the mission of the foundation, too.
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2425
do misije fondacije isto.
19:31
CA: You've easily got enough money
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1922
CA: Imate dovoljno novca,
19:33
despite your vast contributions to the foundation
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2591
unatoč vašim izdašnim doprinosima
fondaciji
fondaciji
19:36
to make them all billionaires.
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1634
da svi postanu milijarderi.
19:37
Is that your plan for them?
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1517
Je li to vaš plan za njih?
19:39
BG: Nope. No. They won't have anything like that.
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2336
BG: Ne. Neće dobiti ništa takvo.
19:41
They need to have a sense
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1935
Moraju osjećati
19:43
that their own work is meaningful and important.
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6536
da je njihov rad važan i značajan.
19:49
We read an article long, actually,
before we got married,
before we got married,
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3472
Pročitali smo članak davno prije nego
smo stupili u brak,
smo stupili u brak,
19:53
where Warren Buffett talked about that,
524
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2645
gdje je Warren Buffet pričao o tome,
19:56
and we're quite convinced that it wasn't a favor
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i uvjereni smo da to nije usluga
19:58
either to society or to the kids.
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3254
ni društvu ni djeci.
20:01
CA: Well, speaking of Warren Buffett,
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2068
CA: Pa, kad pričamo o Warrenu Buffettu,
20:03
something really amazing happened in 2006,
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2664
nešto nevjerojatno dogodilo se 2006.,
20:06
when somehow your only real rival
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2960
kada je nekako vaš jedini rival
20:09
for richest person in America
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1552
za najbogatiju osobu u Americi
20:10
suddenly turned around and agreed to give
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1370
stao i odlučio pokloniti
20:12
80 percent of his fortune
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2593
80% svog bogatstva
20:14
to your foundation.
533
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1717
vašoj fondaciji.
20:16
How on Earth did that happen?
534
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1736
Kako se to dogodilo?
20:18
I guess there's a long version
and a short version of that.
and a short version of that.
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Pa, postoji duga verzija
i kratka verzija te priče.
i kratka verzija te priče.
20:20
We've got time for the short version.
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Imamo vremena za kratku verziju.
20:21
BG: All right. Well, Warren was a close friend,
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3755
BG: Okej. Pa, Warren je blizak prijatelj
20:25
and he was going to have his wife Suzie
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4657
i on je htio da njegova žena Suzie
20:30
give it all away.
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1555
sve podijeli.
20:31
Tragically, she passed away before he did,
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3441
Na žalost, ona je umrla prije nego on
20:35
and he's big on delegation, and
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a on voli delegirati, i
20:38
— (Laughter) —
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-- (Smijeh) --
20:40
he said —
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rekao je --
20:42
CA: Tweet that.
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CA: Tweetajte ovo.
20:43
BG: If he's got somebody
who is doing something well,
who is doing something well,
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BG: Ako ima nekoga tko
nešto radi dobro,
nešto radi dobro,
20:46
and is willing to do it at no charge,
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i voljan je to raditi bez troška,
20:50
maybe that's okay. But we were stunned.
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možda je to u redu.
Ali mi smo bili šokirani.
Ali mi smo bili šokirani.
20:53
MG: Totally stunned.
BG: We had never expected it,
BG: We had never expected it,
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MG: Totalno šokirani.
BG: Nismo to nikad očekivali,
BG: Nismo to nikad očekivali,
20:55
and it has been unbelievable.
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i to je zapravo nevjerojatno.
20:56
It's allowed us to increase our ambition
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Dozvoljava nam da povećamo ambiciju
20:59
in what the foundation can do quite dramatically.
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oko toga što fondacija
može učiniti dramatično.
može učiniti dramatično.
21:03
Half the resources we have
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Pola resursa koje imamo
21:04
come from Warren's mind-blowing generosity.
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došlo je od Warrenove nevjerojatne
velikodušnosti.
velikodušnosti.
21:07
CA: And I think you've pledged that
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CA: I ja mislim da si se obvvezao
21:08
by the time you're done,
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da dok završiš
21:10
more than, or 95 percent of your wealth,
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viiše od 95 posto svog bogatstva
21:12
will be given to the foundation.
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dat ćeš fondaciji.
21:14
BG: Yes.
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BG: Da.
21:15
CA: And since this relationship, it's amazing—
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CA: I kako je ovaj odnos zapanjujuć --
21:19
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
21:22
And recently, you and Warren
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I nedavno, ti i Warren
21:25
have been going around trying to persuade
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išli ste uokolo i uvjeravali
21:27
other billionaires and successful people
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druge milijardere i uspješne ljude
21:29
to pledge to give, what,
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da se obvežu dati, koliko,
21:30
more than half of their assets for philanthropy.
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više od pola svoje imovine za filantropiju.
21:36
How is that going?
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Kako to ide?
21:38
BG: Well, we've got about 120 people
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BG: Pa, imamo oko 120 ljudi
21:41
who have now taken this giving pledge.
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koji su se obvezali na davanje.
21:44
The thing that's great is that we get together
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Stvar koja je odlična je da se okupimo
21:46
yearly and talk about, okay,
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jednom godišnje i pričamo,
21:49
do you hire staff, what do you give to them?
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ok, hoćemo li zaposliti nekog, što im dati?
21:51
We're not trying to homogenize it.
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Nećemo to homogenizirati.
21:52
I mean, the beauty of philanthropy
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Ljepota filantropije je
21:53
is this mind-blowing diversity.
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u njenoj raznolikosti.
21:55
People give to some things.
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Ljudi daju za neke stvari.
21:56
We look and go, "Wow."
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Pogledamo i kažemo "Wow."
21:59
But that's great.
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Ali to je odlično.
22:00
That's the role of philanthropy
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To je uloga filantropije
22:01
is to pick different approaches,
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da bira različite pristupe,
22:03
including even in one space, like education.
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čak i one u jednom prostoru, kao edukaciju.
22:05
We need more experimentation.
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Moramo više eksperimentirati.
22:08
But it's been wonderful, meeting those people,
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Ali bilo je prekrasno, upoznati te ljude,
22:11
sharing their journey to philanthropy,
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dijeliti to putovanje filantropijom,
22:13
how they involve their kids,
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kako uključuju svoju djecu,
22:14
where they're doing it differently,
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što rade drugačije,
22:16
and it's been way more successful than we expected.
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i bilo je uspješnije nego smo očekivali.
22:19
Now it looks like it'll just keep growing in size
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Sada izgleda kao da će samo rasti u veličini
22:21
in the years ahead.
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u godinama koje slijede.
22:24
MG: And having people see that other people
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MG: I učiniti da ljudi vide druge ljude
22:27
are making change with philanthropy,
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kako mijenjaju svijet filantropijom.
22:29
I mean, these are people who have
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Mislim, ovo su ljudi koji su
22:31
created their own businesses,
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stvorili vlastite tvrtke,
22:32
put their own ingenuity behind incredible ideas.
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stavljaju svoju ingenioznost iza
odličnih ideja.
odličnih ideja.
22:35
If they put their ideas and their brain
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Ako stave svoje ideje i mozak
22:37
behind philanthropy, they can change the world.
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iza filantropije, mogu mijenjati svijet.
22:40
And they start to see others doing it, and saying,
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I počinju vidjeti druge kako to čine, i govore
22:42
"Wow, I want to do that with my own money."
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"Wow, želim to učiniti s vlastitim novcem."
22:44
To me, that's the piece that's incredible.
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Za mene to je dio koji je nevjerojatan.
22:46
CA: It seems to me, it's actually really hard
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CA: Čini mi se da je teško
22:49
for some people to figure out
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nekim ljudima shvatiti
22:50
even how to remotely spend that much money
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kako uopće trošiti toliko novca
22:53
on something else.
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na išta drugo.
22:55
There are probably some billionaires in the room
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Postoje neki milijarderi u ovoj sobi
22:57
and certainly some successful people.
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i neki vrlo uspješni ljudi.
22:59
I'm curious, can you make the pitch?
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Znatiželjan sam, možete li dati prijedlog?
23:01
What's the pitch?
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Koji je prijedlog?
23:03
BG: Well, it's the most fulfilling thing
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BG: Pa, to je stvar koja nas je najviše ispunila
23:04
we've ever done,
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a koju smo ikad učinili,
23:06
and you can't take it with you,
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i to ne možete uzeti sa sobom,
23:09
and if it's not good for your kids,
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i ako nije dobro za vašu djecu,
23:12
let's get together and brainstorm
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skupimo se i razmislimo
23:13
about what we can be done.
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o tome što možemo učiniti.
23:16
The world is a far better place
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Svijet je puno bolje mjesto
23:18
because of the philanthropists of the past,
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zbog filantropa iz prošlosti,
23:21
and the U.S. tradition here, which is the strongest,
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i američke tradicije, koja je najsnažnija,
23:24
is the envy of the world.
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na njoj joj zavidi svijet.
23:25
And part of the reason I'm so optimistic
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I dio razloga zašto sam tako optimističan je
23:27
is because I do think philanthropy
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jer vjerujem da će filantropija
23:29
is going to grow
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samo rasti
23:30
and take some of these things
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i uzeti neke od ovih stvari
23:32
government's not just good at
working on and discovering
working on and discovering
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koje vlada ne radi dobro i otkriti
23:34
and shine some light in the right direction.
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i pokazati pravi put.
23:38
CA: The world's got this terrible inequality,
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CA: Svijet ima ovu nevjerojatnu nejednakost,
23:41
growing inequality problem
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rastući problem nejednakosti,
23:42
that seems structural.
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koji neki vide kao strukturalni.
23:43
It does seem to me that if more of your peers
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Čini mi se da ako više tvojih prijatelja
23:46
took the approach that you two have made,
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uzme pristup koji imate vas dvoje
23:49
it would make a dent
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to bi promijenilo stanje
23:50
both in that problem and certainly
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u tom problemu i sigurno u
23:52
in the perception of that problem.
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percepciji tog problema.
23:53
Is that a fair comment?
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Je li to dobar komentar?
23:55
BG: Oh yeah. If you take from the most wealthy
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BG: O da. Ako uzmete od najbogatijih
23:56
and give to the least wealthy, it's good.
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i date najsiormašnijim, to je dobro.
24:00
It tries to balance out, and that's just.
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Pokušava se izjednačiti i to je pravedno.
24:02
MG: But you change systems.
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MG: Ali mjenjate sustav.
24:03
In the U.S., we're trying to
change the education system
change the education system
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U Americi pokušavamo promijeniti
obrazovni sustav
obrazovni sustav
24:06
so it's just for everybody
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da je za sve
24:08
and it works for all students.
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i da radi za sve studente.
24:10
That, to me, really changes
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To, za mene, stvarno mijenja
24:12
the inequality balance.
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nejednakost.
24:13
BG: That's the most important.
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BG: To je najvažnije.
24:14
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
24:18
CA: Well, I really think that most people here
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CA: Pa mislim da je većina ljudi
24:21
and many millions around the world
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a i mnogi milijuni širom svijeta
24:23
are just in awe of the trajectory
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zavidna na putanju
24:26
your lives have taken
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kojom su vaši životi krenuli
24:27
and the spectacular degree to which
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i spektakularnu raziinu do koje
24:31
you have shaped the future.
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ste oblikovali budućnost.
24:33
Thank you so much for coming to TED
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Hvala vam što ste došli na TED
24:34
and for sharing with us and for all you do.
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i što ste podijelili s nama ono što radite.
24:36
BG: Thank you.
MG: Thank you.
MG: Thank you.
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BG: Hvala.
MG: Hvala.
MG: Hvala.
24:37
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
24:46
BG: Thank you.
MG: Thank you very much.
MG: Thank you very much.
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BG: Hvala.
MG: Hvala vam puno.
MG: Hvala vam puno.
24:51
BG: All right, good job. (Applause)
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BG: U redu, dobar posao. (Pljesak)
Translated by Ivan Stamenkovic
ABOUT THE SPEAKERS
Melinda Gates - PhilanthropistMelinda French Gates is co-chair of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, where she puts into practice the idea that every life has equal value.
Why you should listen
The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation works to help all people lead healthy, productive lives. As co-chair, Melinda French Gates helps shape and approve strategies, review results, advocate for foundation issues and set the overall direction. In developing countries, the foundation focuses on improving people's health with vaccines and other life-saving tools and giving them a chance to lift themselves out of hunger and extreme poverty. In the United States, it seeks to dramatically improve education so that all young people have the opportunity to reach their full potential. Based in Seattle, Washington, the foundation is led by CEO Jeff Raikes and co-chair William H. Gates Sr., under the direction of Bill Gates, Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett.
In recent years, Melinda French Gates has become a vocal advocate for access to contraception, advancing the idea that empowering women to decide whether and when to have children can have transformational effects on societies. In 2012, Gates spearheaded the London Summit on Family Planning, with the goal of delivering contraceptives to 120 million women in developing countries by 2020. When asked why she got involved in this issue, Gates said, "We knew that 210 million women were saying they wanted access to the contraceptives we have here in the United States and we weren't providing them because of political controversy in our country. To me, that was just a crime. I kept looking around trying to find the person to get this back on the global stage. I realized I just had to do it."
Melinda Gates | Speaker | TED.com
Bill Gates - Philanthropist
A passionate techie and a shrewd businessman, Bill Gates changed the world while leading Microsoft to dizzying success. Now he's doing it again with his own style of philanthropy and passion for innovation.
Why you should listen
Bill Gates is the founder and former CEO of Microsoft. A geek icon, tech visionary and business trailblazer, Gates' leadership -- fueled by his long-held dream that millions might realize their potential through great software -- made Microsoft a personal computing powerhouse and a trendsetter in the Internet dawn. Whether you're a suit, chef, quant, artist, media maven, nurse or gamer, you've probably used a Microsoft product today.
In summer of 2008, Gates left his day-to-day role with Microsoft to focus on philanthropy. Holding that all lives have equal value (no matter where they're being lived), the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has now donated staggering sums to HIV/AIDS programs, libraries, agriculture research and disaster relief -- and offered vital guidance and creative funding to programs in global health and education. Gates believes his tech-centric strategy for giving will prove the killer app of planet Earth's next big upgrade.
Read a collection of Bill and Melinda Gates' annual letters, where they take stock of the Gates Foundation and the world. And follow his ongoing thinking on his personal website, The Gates Notes. His new paper, "The Next Epidemic," is published by the New England Journal of Medicine.
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