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Sally Kohn - Political pundit
Sally Kohn searches for common ground among political foes by focusing on the compassion and humanity in everyone.

Why you should listen

Sally Kohn has a powerful vision for a more united United States. She's a columnist and a political commentator for CNN, and she is working on a book about hate that will be published in the spring of 2018. As a former contributor to Fox News, this progressive lesbian sparred with some of the most conservative minds on television and has sifted through hundreds of letters of hate mail a day. But she deeply believes in finding our common humanity, political differences aside. Before we can achieve political correctness, we must first establish emotional correctness — and this will ignite conversations that lead to real change.

Kohn has appeared on Fox, MSNBC and CNN and has written for The Daily Beast, Salon, The Atlantic and TIME Magazine.

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Sally Kohn: Let’s try emotional correctness

萨利·科恩: 让我们开始关注情感正确

Filmed: 2013-10-14

Readability: 3.5

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政治评论家萨利·科恩主张, 无论是自由派还是保守派, 现在都需要开始认真的倾听对方. 在这个充满乐观态度的演讲中, 萨利·科恩分享了作为一名激进的同性恋者在(保守的)福克斯新闻工作的经历. 她说, 这不是政治正确的问题, 这是情感正确的问题.

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So when I do my job工作, people hate讨厌 me.

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有一些人很厌恶我的职业.

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In fact事实, the better I do my job工作,

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事实上, 我做得越好,

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the more people hate讨厌 me.

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讨厌我的人越多.

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And no, I'm not a meter仪表 maid女佣,

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而我既不是开罚单的交警,

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and I'm not an undertaker殡仪馆.

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也不是殡葬从业者.

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I am a progressive进步 lesbian女同性恋 talking说 head头

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我只是一个在福克斯新闻(Fox News)上积极地

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on Fox狐狸 News新闻. (Applause掌声)

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表达自己观点的同性恋(掌声)

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So y'all你们 heard听说 that, right? Just to make sure, right?

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现在你们都知道了, 对吧, 我再确认一下, 好么?

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I am a gay同性恋者 talking说 head头 on Fox狐狸 News新闻.

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我是一个同性恋, 同时我活跃在福克斯新闻上.

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I am going to tell you how I do it

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接下来我要告诉你我是如何做到的

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and the most最 important重要 thing I've learned学到了.

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以及在这个过程中我学到的最重要的东西.

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So I go on television电视.

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我上了电视.

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I debate辩论 people who literally按照字面 want to obliterate泯

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我跟人辩论, 那些人完全意义上的想要抹去

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everything I believe in, in some cases例,

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我所信仰的所有事情, 其中有一些人,

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who don't want me and people like me to even exist存在.

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甚至希望我以及像我这样的人, 没有出现过.

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It's sort分类 of like Thanksgiving感恩
with your conservative保守 uncle叔叔

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这就像是在感恩节的时候, 当着亿万电视机观众的面,

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on steroids类固醇,

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跟你的亲戚

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with a live生活 television电视 audience听众 of millions百万.

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一个保守的人争论类固醇之类的话题.

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It's totally完全 almost几乎 just like that.

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那感觉真的一模一样.

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And that's just on air空气.

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而且是直播.

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The hate讨厌 mail邮件 I get is unbelievable难以置信的.

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然后我收到的谩骂邮件你都没法想象.

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Last week周 alone单独, I got 238 pieces件 of nasty讨厌 email电子邮件

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上周我收到了238封骂街的邮件

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and more hate讨厌 tweets微博 than I can even count计数.

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推特上骂我的推我都数不过来.

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I was called叫 an idiot白痴, a traitor叛徒, a scourge灾害,

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他们骂我傻蛋, 叛徒, 祸根,

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a cunt屄, and an ugly丑陋 man,

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贱人, 恶心东西,

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and that was just in one email电子邮件.

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这些还只是一封邮件中用到的词.

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(Laughter笑声)

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(笑声)

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So what have I realized实现,

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那么在收到这些邮件,

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being存在 on the receiving接收 end结束 of all this ugliness丑陋?

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这些恶毒的邮件之后, 我学到了什么?

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Well, my biggest最大 takeaway带走 is that for decades几十年,

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我最大的收获是, 过去的几十年来,

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we've我们已经 been focused重点 on political政治 correctness正确性,

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我们已经开始注重如何做到"政治正确",

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but what matters事项 more is emotional情绪化 correctness正确性.

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但是更重要的"情感正确"却还没有被重视.

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Let me give you a small小 example例.

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我来举个简单的例子.

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I don't care关心 if you call me a dyke堤防. I really don't.

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我不在乎你叫我"拉拉(dyke)". 真的.

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I care关心 about two things.

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我在乎两件事情.

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One, I care关心 that you spell拼写 it right.

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第一, 你别把这个词拼错了.

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(Laughter笑声) (Applause掌声)

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(笑声)(掌声)

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Just quick快 refresher复习, it's D-Y-K-E堤防.

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重复一遍, 正确的拼写是"DYKE",

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You'd你 totally完全 be surprised诧异.

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意外吧?(译注: 'y'容易被误拼成'i')

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And second第二, I don't care关心 about the word字,

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第二点, 我不在意你说话的用词,

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I care关心 about how you use it.

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我在乎你说出来的方式.

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Are you being存在 friendly友善? Are you just being存在 naive幼稚?

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你对我的态度够友好么? 你只是愚昧无知么?

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Or do you really want to hurt伤害 me personally亲自?

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而是说你真的想要伤害我?

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Emotional情绪化 correctness正确性 is the tone音, the feeling感觉,

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"情感正确" 说得是说话的语气, 情绪,

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how we say what we say,

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我们如何表达自己,

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the respect尊重 and compassion同情 we show显示 one another另一个.

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我们展示给别人的尊重和热情.

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And what I've realized实现 is that political政治 persuasion劝说

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我意识到政治立场的不同,

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doesn't begin开始 with ideas思路 or facts事实 or data数据.

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首先表现在情感正确上,

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Political政治 persuasion劝说 begins开始 with
being存在 emotionally感情上 correct正确.

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而不是观念, 事实或者数据.

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So when I first went去 to go work at Fox狐狸 News新闻,

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当我刚开始为福克斯新闻(Fox News)工作时

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true真正 confession自白书,

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坦白的讲,

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I expected预期 there to be marks分数 in the carpet地毯

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我觉得那里面都是些典型的

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from all the knuckle-dragging关节拖.

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思维保守的人

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That, by the way, in case案件 you're paying付款 attention注意,
is not emotionally感情上 correct正确.

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这个观点, 如果你注意到的话, 并不是情感正确的.

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But liberals自由主义者 on my side侧,

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但是像我这样的自由主义者,

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we can be self-righteous自以为是,
we can be condescending居高临下,

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我们可以自以为是, 可以自高自大,

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we can be dismissive不屑一顾 of anyone任何人
who doesn't agree同意 with us.

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我们可以看不起所有与我们意见相左的人.

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In other words话, we can be politically政治上 right

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换句话说, 我们可以做到政治正确

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but emotionally感情上 wrong错误.

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但是带着错误的情感.

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And incidentally顺便, that means手段 that

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不经意的, 这意味着

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people don't like us. Right?

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人们不喜欢我们. 对吧?

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Now here's这里的 the kicker踢球者.

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现在我要开始唱反调了.

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Conservatives保守党 are really nice不错.

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保守派的人真的很好.

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I mean, not all of them,

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当然并不是全部,

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and not the ones那些 who send发送 me hate讨厌 mail邮件,

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也不包括那些写信骂我的人,

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but you would be surprised诧异.

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其他人会让你惊讶.

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Sean肖恩 Hannity汉尼提 is one of the sweetest甜蜜 guys

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肖恩·汉尼提(福克斯的保守派主持人)是我见过的

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I've ever met会见.

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最好的人之一.

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He spends花 his free自由 time

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他用自己的业余时间

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trying试 to fix固定 up his staff员工 on blind盲 dates日期,

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给同事介绍对象,

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and I know that if I ever had a problem问题,

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我很确定如果我遇到任何麻烦,

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he would do anything he could to help.

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他一定会伸出援手.

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Now, I think Sean肖恩 Hannity汉尼提 is

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现在, 我确定肖恩·汉尼提

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99 percent百分 politically政治上 wrong错误,

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他的政治观点99%是错误的,

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but his emotional情绪化 correctness正确性
is strikingly惊人 impressive有声有色,

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但是他在情感上的正确性让人印象深刻,

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and that's why people listen to him.

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这也是他获得人们认可的原因.

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Because you can't get anyone任何人 to agree同意 with you

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因为如果人们都不愿意听你说话,

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if they don't even listen to you first.

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他们一定不会同意你的观点.

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We spend花 so much time talking说 past过去 each每 other

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我跟他的辩论时间非常的多,

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and not enough足够 time talking说
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花在讨论我们的不同的观点上的时间却不多.

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and if we can start开始 to find
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一旦我们开始觉得有点同情对方,

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then we have a shot射击 at building建造 common共同 ground地面.

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我们便开始寻找我们的共同点.

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It actually其实 sounds声音 really hokey虚情假意

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在这个场合说这个事情

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to say it standing常设 up here,

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似乎有点做作,

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but when you try to put it in practice实践,

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但是当你真的去尝试的时候,

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it's really powerful强大.

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它非常有效果.

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So someone有人 who says说 they hate讨厌 immigrants移民,

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所以当有人说他们痛恨移民时,

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I try to imagine想像 how scared害怕 they must必须 be

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我尝试去想象这些人

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that their其 community社区 is changing改变
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对于自己熟知社区发生的变化是多么的恐惧.

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Or someone有人 who says说 they
don't like teachers'教师' unions工会,

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当我听说有人讨厌教师联合会(teachers' unions)时,

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I bet赌注 they're really devastated满目疮痍 to see

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我打赌这是因为他们对于

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their其 kid's孩子的 school学校 going into the gutter排水沟,

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在贫民窟建立幼儿园这件事情极为震惊,

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and they're just looking for someone有人 to blame怪.

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而他们只是想要找个发泄的对象而已.

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Our challenge挑战 is to find the compassion同情 for others其他

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我们的挑战, 是以同理心去同情那些

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that we want them to have for us.

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我们希望能够理解我们的人.

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That is emotional情绪化 correctness正确性.

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这是情感正确的.

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I'm not saying话 it's easy简单.

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不是那么容易做到的.

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An average平均 of, like, 5.6 times时 per每 day

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我每天大概有5到6次

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I have to stop myself我 from responding响应

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需要努力的克制自己

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to all of my hate讨厌 mail邮件 with a flurry慌张 of vile恶劣 profanities脏话.

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不要用敌对的态度去回复那些恶毒的邮件.

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This whole整个 finding发现 compassion同情

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对于我而言,

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and common共同 ground地面 with your enemies敌人 thing

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尝试从你的敌人身上找到你同情他的理由

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is kind类 of like a political-spiritual政治精神 practice实践 for me,

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这就像是政治和心灵上的磨练.

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and I ain't不 the Dalai达赖 Lama喇嘛.

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而我并不像达赖喇嘛(那样经过那么多磨练).

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I'm not perfect完善, but what I am is optimistic乐观,

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我并不完美, 但是我有着乐观的态度,

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because I don't just get hate讨厌 mail邮件.

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我收到的并不只有恶毒的邮件.

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I get a lot of really nice不错 letters信, lots of them.

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我收到了很多友好的邮件, 很多很多.

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And one of my all-time整天 favorites最爱 begins开始,

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我最喜欢的邮件内容是这样的:

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"I am not a big大 fan风扇 of your political政治 leanings倾向

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"我并不是很赞同你的政治观点,"

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or your sometimes有时 tortured折磨 logic逻辑,

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"我也不赞同你扭曲的逻辑,"

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but I'm a big大 fan风扇 of you as a person人."

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"但是我很喜欢你这个人."

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Now this guy doesn't agree同意 with me, yet然而.

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虽然这个家伙并不同意我的观点.

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(Laughter笑声)

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(笑声)

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But he's listening听, not because of what I said,

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但是他在倾听, 不是因为我说了什么,

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but because of how I said it,

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而是因为我说话的态度,

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and somehow不知何故, even though虽然 we've我们已经 never met会见,

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而且, 虽然我们还从来没有见过面,

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we've我们已经 managed管理 to form形成 a connection连接.

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但是我们已经有了一种无法言表的联系.

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That's emotional情绪化 correctness正确性,

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这是情感正确的例子,

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and that's how we start开始 the conversations对话

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这是我们真正的交流的开始,

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that really lead铅 to change更改.

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改变的开始.

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Thank you.

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谢谢.

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(Applause掌声)

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(掌声)

Translated by Psycho Decoder
Reviewed by Tingting Zhao

ABOUT THE SPEAKER

Sally Kohn - Political pundit
Sally Kohn searches for common ground among political foes by focusing on the compassion and humanity in everyone.

Why you should listen

Sally Kohn has a powerful vision for a more united United States. She's a columnist and a political commentator for CNN, and she is working on a book about hate that will be published in the spring of 2018. As a former contributor to Fox News, this progressive lesbian sparred with some of the most conservative minds on television and has sifted through hundreds of letters of hate mail a day. But she deeply believes in finding our common humanity, political differences aside. Before we can achieve political correctness, we must first establish emotional correctness — and this will ignite conversations that lead to real change.

Kohn has appeared on Fox, MSNBC and CNN and has written for The Daily Beast, Salon, The Atlantic and TIME Magazine.

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